Dodaj do ulubionych

WIRTUALNA SYNAGOGA 5763

07.09.03, 16:37
13&20 Wrzesnia SOBOTA 16&23 Elul
godz 18:59-20:06 & 18:38-19:45
OSTANCIE W POKOJU
29 Elul 18:16
YEAR 5 7 6 4 !!!
Edytor zaawansowany
  • Gość: katolik IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 07.09.03, 16:44
    A kysz diable !!!
  • 07.09.03, 16:59
    Gość portalu: katolik napisał(a):

    > A kysz diable !!!

    Xte Panie !

    Grzech to Smiertelny Synu Moj

    200 Miriam sara yaffa meod

    odmowisz po zydowsku z prawa na lewo

    ...to co moze pomoze..?

    Ps... Znam dobrego doktora od czartow i demonow ...

  • Gość: katolik IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 07.09.03, 17:05
    będziecie w tej wirtualnej synagodze pić krew niewinnych dzieci ?
  • 07.09.03, 17:30
    Gość portalu: katolik napisał(a):
    Gość portalu: katolik napisał(a):

    > A kysz diable !!!

    Xte Panie !

    Grzech to Smiertelny Synu Moj

    200 Miriam sara yaffa meod

    odmowisz po zydowsku z prawa na lewo

    ...to co moze pomoze..?

    Ps... Znam dobrego doktora od czartow i demonow ...

    ...

    > będziecie w tej wirtualnej synagodze pić krew niewinnych dzieci ?


    Niech Pan Ci wybaczy ale ciemnota w ktorej tkwisz rodem z Piekla Ignorancji

    jest

    ty katolik ale czy Xscian ?

    PRAWDZIWY Xscian ???

    Synu odkup swe Winy Czerwonym Winem Carmel stoi tam na stole............










    ...................tutaj ....



    text lacinski /dzwony koscielne bazyliki sw Pawla.../



    HOSTIA


    ......


    no jak wino ...słodkie?
  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas25.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 07.09.03, 18:30
    Ani Catolik ani Christian , ... Polglowek !
  • 07.09.03, 18:48
    Może i 50%Glówek ale pół litra 70% Szabasówki zaabsorbował w 30 sekund...crying

  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas25.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 07.09.03, 19:08
    Hej Rabbi ,... Taki ty rabbi jak ja , ...
  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas34.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 07.09.03, 21:54
    Hej ! Rabbi ,... Niech mnie Pan Bog broni , a Matka Boska ma w opiece !
    Widzisz , jaki ja tam Rabbi , ale na pocieszenie , slucham w radio co tydzien ,
    Rabbi Lapin na KVI 570 Seattle ,... (ty tez mozesz na internet , moze
    cos "kupisz") , ... Madry czlowiek .
  • 07.09.03, 22:08
    Gość portalu: sp;lit napisał(a):

    > Hej ! Rabbi ,... Niech mnie Pan Bog broni , a Matka Boska ma w opiece !
    > Widzisz , jaki ja tam Rabbi , ale na pocieszenie , slucham w radio co
    tydzien ,
    > Rabbi Lapin na KVI 570 Seattle ,... (ty tez mozesz na internet , moze
    > cos "kupisz") , ... Madry czlowiek .

    __________________________________________________________________________

    www.ktth.com/home/index.html
    Rabbi Daniel Lapin (Sun 7pm - 10pm) Email Rabbi Lapin
    President of Toward Tradition, best selling author of America's Real War and
    Thou Shall Prosper, and a long-time talk radio host, Rabbi Daniel Lapin was
    appointed by President George W. Bush to a United States commission. Lapin
    insists that "The more things change, the more we need to depend upon those
    things that never change," and he tells us what those things are, particularly
    as they relate to the three good F words - family, fortune, and faith.

    ....

    The more things change, the more we need to depend upon those things that
    never change...

    Wszystkiego dobrego na 4F
    wink
  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas34.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 07.09.03, 23:23
    rabin_joe_jerushalmi napisał:

    > Gość portalu: sp;lit napisał(a):
    >
    > > Hej ! Rabbi ,... Niech mnie Pan Bog broni , a Matka Boska ma w opiece !
    >
    > > Widzisz , jaki ja tam Rabbi , ale na pocieszenie , slucham w radio co
    > tydzien ,
    > > Rabbi Lapin na KVI 570 Seattle ,... (ty tez mozesz na internet , moze
    > > cos "kupisz") , ... Madry czlowiek .
    >
    > __________________________________________________________________________
    >
    > www.ktth.com/home/index.html
    > Rabbi Daniel Lapin (Sun 7pm - 10pm) Email Rabbi Lapin
    > President of Toward Tradition, best selling author of America's Real War and
    > Thou Shall Prosper, and a long-time talk radio host, Rabbi Daniel Lapin was
    > appointed by President George W. Bush to a United States commission. Lapin
    > insists that "The more things change, the more we need to depend upon those
    > things that never change," and he tells us what those things are,
    particularly
    > as they relate to the three good F words - family, fortune, and faith.
    >
    > ....
    >
    > The more things change, the more we need to depend upon those things that
    > never change...
    >
    > Wszystkiego dobrego na 4F


    ======================================================


    Jesli masz na mysli the 4th "F",... Moja cala radosc zycia smile Nie zaniedbuje
    i tak mi dopomoz , ... Jesli znasz angielski , to zachecam posluchaj co ma do
    powiedzenia ,...
    > wink
  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas34.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 08.09.03, 01:20
    rabin_joe_jerushalmi napisał:

    >
    >
    > www.ktth.com/images/photo_rabbilapin.jpg
    > wyslalem mu link ze jest znany i sluchany W Synagodze w Warszawie ,napewno
    sie
    > ucieszy...
    >
    > rabbilapin
    >
    > 4Fer!


    Ma czlowiek troche co mu Bozia dala i ma jaja powiedziec to glosno bez
    wzgledu na konsekwencje , ... Czy to bedzie Lapin czy Weber ,... Ktos kto
    potrafi podeprzec swoje poglady i wiedze ryzykiem utraty popularnosci w swoim
    srodowisku , oberwac po kieszeni zasluguje na moj szacunek , ... Lapin nalezy
    do takich !!! Niewazne ze nosi mycke ,... He's my man .

  • 08.09.03, 01:37

    Gość portalu: sp;lit napisał(a):

    > rabin_joe_jerushalmi napisał:
    >
    > >
    > >
    > > www.ktth.com/images/photo_rabbilapin.jpg
    > > wyslalem mu link ze jest znany i sluchany W Synagodze w Warszawie ,napewno
    >
    > sie
    > > ucieszy...
    > >
    > > rabbilapin
    > >
    > > 4Fer!
    >
    >
    > Ma czlowiek troche co mu Bozia dala i ma jaja powiedziec to glosno bez
    > wzgledu na konsekwencje , ... Czy to bedzie Lapin czy Weber ,... Ktos kto
    > potrafi podeprzec swoje poglady i wiedze ryzykiem utraty popularnosci w
    swoim
    > srodowisku , oberwac po kieszeni zasluguje na moj szacunek , ... Lapin
    nalezy
    > do takich !!! Niewazne ze nosi mycke ,... He's my man .
    >
    W dzisiejszych czasach Odwaga osobista w konfrontacji ze Srodowiskiem
    to Duza i Rzadka Rzecz ze wzgledu na Represje Politycznej Poprawnosci
    Oportunizm Glupote czy Podlosc z Mycka lub bez Niej ...wink))
  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas34.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 09.09.03, 00:50
    Jesli Ci powiem ze u wszystkich moich przyjaciol (katolicy) ktorym Go
    polecilem , znalazl respect i sluchaja jego audycje z namaszczeniem , ...
    Uwierzysz ? Ma swoje talk show , dyskutuje , odbiera telefony na zywo , bez
    cenzury , czasem poglaska , czasem opier..li , jak trzeba ,... Jednym slowem
    jest na poziomie facet , ... Mam nadzieje ze zamiescisz link z moim nick jesli
    Ci odpowie , czesto bywam na jego odczytach i sie przedstawie , ... sp;lit smile

    mycka po ziemi smile
  • 09.09.03, 11:10
    Gość portalu: sp;lit napisał(a):

    > Jesli Ci powiem ze u wszystkich moich przyjaciol (katolicy) ktorym Go
    > polecilem , znalazl respect i sluchaja jego audycje z namaszczeniem , ...
    > Uwierzysz ? Ma swoje talk show , dyskutuje , odbiera telefony na zywo , bez
    > cenzury , czasem poglaska , czasem opier..li , jak trzeba ,... Jednym slowem
    > jest na poziomie facet , ... Mam nadzieje ze zamiescisz link z moim nick
    jesli
    > Ci odpowie , czesto bywam na jego odczytach i sie przedstawie , ... sp;lit smile
    >
    > mycka po ziemi smile

    Juz to zrobilem Mr Sp;lit..smile))

    Zebralem troche informacji co Reb Lapin napisal...

    America's Real War

    There is a tug of war going on for the future of America. At one end of the
    rope are those who think America is a secular nation; at the other end are
    those who believe religion is at the root of our country's foundation. In this
    hardcover release of the thought-provoking America's Real War, renowned leader
    and speaker Rabbi Daniel Lapin encourages America to re-embrace the Judeo-
    Christian values on which our nation was founded, and logically demonstrates
    why those values are crucial to America's strength in the new millennium.

    www.towardtradition.org/images/arw.gif
    www.towardtradition.org/pressreleases.htm

    Buried Treasure

    For millennia, the Hebrew language has housed hidden treasure. Here Rabbi
    Daniel Lapin translates this ancient, holy tongue into startling contemporary
    wisdom that God intended for our guidance and enrichment.


    www.towardtradition.org/images/buriedtreasure.jpg
    Thou Shall Prosper: Ten Commandments for Making Money

    Nearly everyone is in business, most without even knowing it! Rabbi Daniel
    Lapin outlines the most effective ways to make and manage money for yourself
    and for others. His no-nonsense attitude toward the ethical and philosophical
    approaches to making money is a refreshing read in a time of economic
    insecurity.

    www.towardtradition.org/images/thoushallprosper.jpg
    ______________________________________________________

    We live in amazing times, both terrible and wonderful. Terrible because we
    have seen American and Israeli lives threatened in new and horrible ways by
    Islamic fanatics. Wonderful because, as a consequence of this horror, we have
    seen something else, no less surprising: American Jews are waking up to
    blessings of friendship with conservative Christians. These Christians include
    many passionate Zionists, their pro-Israel beliefs deriving from the Hebrew
    Bible they revere. In this fourth installment of the Modern Problems, Ancient
    Solutions pamphlet series, David Klinghoffer explains why conservative
    Christians are the natural allies of the Jewish community.
    _____________________________________________________________

    www.towardtradition.org/mission.htm
    Blessings from reb Joe
  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas34.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 09.09.03, 19:29
    We live in amazing times, both terrible and wonderful. Terrible because we
    have seen American and Israeli lives threatened in new and horrible ways by
    Islamic fanatics. Wonderful because, as a consequence of this horror, we have
    seen something else, no less surprising: American Jews are waking up to
    blessings of friendship with conservative Christians. These Christians include
    many passionate Zionists, their pro-Israel beliefs deriving from the Hebrew
    Bible they revere. In this fourth installment of the Modern Problems, Ancient
    Solutions pamphlet series, David Klinghoffer explains why conservative
    Christians are the natural allies of the Jewish community.

    ==============================================================================

    Tu sie nie zgadzam , ... Conservative Christians sni sie Armagetum ,
    Zionistom "wielki Israel" a Islamic Fundamentalists* sami nie wiedza co chca .
    W sumie extremisci ! Cale "towarzystwo" wlozyc do jednego worka i wyrzucic
    za burte , daleko od brzegu . Tylko wtedy mozna liczyc na spokoj , ...
    Normalni , zwykli ludzie zazwyczaj sie dogaduja do czasu kiedy politycy nie
    wetkna nosa .

    * (Fanatics to produkt Mossadu)

    Z respektem
  • 09.09.03, 20:06
    Gość portalu: sp;lit napisał(a):

    > We live in amazing times, both terrible and wonderful. Terrible because we
    > have seen American and Israeli lives threatened in new and horrible ways by
    > Islamic fanatics. Wonderful because, as a consequence of this horror, we
    have
    > seen something else, no less surprising: American Jews are waking up to
    > blessings of friendship with conservative Christians. These Christians
    include
    > many passionate Zionists, their pro-Israel beliefs deriving from the Hebrew
    > Bible they revere. In this fourth installment of the Modern Problems,
    Ancient
    > Solutions pamphlet series, David Klinghoffer explains why conservative
    > Christians are the natural allies of the Jewish community.
    >
    >
    ==============================================================================
    >
    > Tu sie nie zgadzam , ... Conservative Christians sni sie Armagetum ,
    > Zionistom "wielki Israel" a Islamic Fundamentalists* sami nie wiedza co
    chca .
    > W sumie extremisci ! Cale "towarzystwo" wlozyc do jednego worka i
    wyrzucic
    > za burte , daleko od brzegu . Tylko wtedy mozna liczyc na spokoj , ...
    > Normalni , zwykli ludzie zazwyczaj sie dogaduja do czasu kiedy politycy nie
    > wetkna nosa .
    >

    >
    > * (Fanatics to produkt Mossadu)
    >
    > Z respektem
    ____________________________________________________________________________
    Z respektem odpowiadam
    Nie wiem czy nie upraszczasz pozycji Fundamentalistow Islamskich sprowadzajac
    je do funkcji Mossadu czy tez Konserwatywnych Chrzescijan do Apokalipsy...?

    Judaizm Chrzescijanstwo i Islam wybralo rozne drogi...

    Maimonides filozof zydowski i sufi tak pisal / w interpretacji Davida Nowaka

    "Concerning Christianity, with which he probably had no real contact,
    Maimonides’ views underwent a decided change over time. In his aversion to
    what he considered to be Christian dilutions of pure monotheism, especially in
    its doctrine of the Trinity, much of Maimonides’ philosophical critique of
    Christian theology is similar to Islamic arguments against it. In his earlier
    work, Maimonides translated his theoretical disdain of Christianity into
    practice. He deemed Christians to be idolators and bemoaned the fact that
    political necessity forced many European Jews to live in Christian societies.

    Nevertheless, this is not the whole picture. At the end of his great code,
    Mishneh Torah, in his discussion of the political–legal role of the Messiah–to–
    come, Maimonides makes a predictable concession to Islam, but a surprising
    concession to Christianity. He argues that despite the errors of Jesus and
    Muhammad, the religions that emerged from their respective teachings are
    instruments of divine providence for bringing all of humankind to the worship
    of the one true God. Now it is obvious from this concession to Christianity
    that he no longer regarded it to be a form of idolatry, the worship of
    a "strange" god. Surely no form of radical idolatry could possibly be the
    means for the universal spread of monotheism. (Ironically enough, the
    Christian censors of the printed editions of Mishneh Torah forced the
    publishers to remove that passage.)

    Moreover, in a responsum written after the publication of Mishneh Torah,
    Maimonides rules that Jews may teach the Torah to Christians but not to
    Muslims because Christians believe Hebrew Scripture in toto to be the revealed
    word of God, whereas Muslims believe that primary text to be the Quran; for
    them, Hebrew Scripture is a flawed revelation. Thus Jews and Christians share
    a common revelation in a way that Jews share with no other religious
    community. Furthermore, Maimonides believes that Jews can best proselytize
    Christians because of this common text. All Jews need do is show Christians
    how they have misinterpreted that common text (the New Testament being the
    erroneous Christian interpretation or midrash he has in mind) and how
    Judaism’s interpretation of it is ultimately more convincingly accurate.
    (Using the same logic, Christians have frequently regarded Jews as the most
    logical objects of their own proselytizing efforts.) The Jewish problem with
    Christianity, for Maimonides, is largely a matter of exegesis, and the
    differences there are more theoretical than practical. True idolators, on the
    other hand, could hardly have accepted Hebrew Scripture as the word of God."

    Pozdrawiam
    rjj

  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas34.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 09.09.03, 23:29
    To sie odnosilo tylko do slowa "fanatics" , nic innego nie sugerowalem choc
    extremistow nie brakuje w kazdej religii .

    Z Maimonides'em spotkalem sie pare lat temu szukajac czegos , nie pamietam
    dokladnie , ale przeczytalem chyba princypia fundamentow Judaizmu , troche
    ciezkie dla mnie bo interesuje sie tym okresem raczej luzno i z
    ciekawosci , ... Musze przyznac ze fascynujacy czlowiek i przepiekny calkiem
    modern jezyk (czytalem angielskie tlumaczenie z greckiego) a ze nie studiowalem
    jego dziel to nie bede podwazal jego opinii ,... Z przymrozeniem oka zauwaze
    jednak ze ; Dobrze ze w starozytnych czasach znalazl sie jakis cwany lawyer bo
    prawdopodobnie sadzil by autorow Starego Testamentu o plagiat 0k 1000 lat
    starszej "Book of Gilgamesh" i nigdy bysmy nie mieli w/w zapisow slowa Bozego smile

    Gleboko jednak wierze Stworca ma Swoj plan i chyba nie jest zbyt zadowolony
    z tego co widzi w kolebce cywilizacji ,... Ostatecznie jedni i drudzy sa
    dziecmi Abrahama i zyli we wzglednej zgodzie zanim narodzil sie Zionism , ...
    Dzis znowu ofiary ,... oko za oko , zab za zab ,... Niedlugo wszyscy beda slepi
    i jesc kaszke , przygnebiajace .

    Narazie ,... Znasz te strone ?

    www.ancienttexts.org/index.html
  • 10.09.03, 00:49
    Gość portalu: sp;lit napisał(a):

    > To sie odnosilo tylko do slowa "fanatics" , nic innego nie sugerowalem
    choc
    > extremistow nie brakuje w kazdej religii .
    >
    > Z Maimonides'em spotkalem sie pare lat temu szukajac czegos , nie
    pamietam
    >
    > dokladnie , ale przeczytalem chyba princypia fundamentow Judaizmu , troche
    > ciezkie dla mnie bo interesuje sie tym okresem raczej luzno i z
    > ciekawosci , ... Musze przyznac ze fascynujacy czlowiek i przepiekny calkiem
    > modern jezyk (czytalem angielskie tlumaczenie z greckiego) a ze nie
    studiowalem
    >
    > jego dziel to nie bede podwazal jego opinii ,... Z przymrozeniem oka zauwaze
    > jednak ze ; Dobrze ze w starozytnych czasach znalazl sie jakis cwany lawyer
    bo
    > prawdopodobnie sadzil by autorow Starego Testamentu o plagiat 0k 1000 lat
    > starszej "Book of Gilgamesh" i nigdy bysmy nie mieli w/w zapisow slowa
    Bozego :
    > )
    >
    > Gleboko jednak wierze Stworca ma Swoj plan i chyba nie jest zbyt
    zadowolony
    > z tego co widzi w kolebce cywilizacji ,... Ostatecznie jedni i drudzy sa
    > dziecmi Abrahama i zyli we wzglednej zgodzie zanim narodzil sie
    Zionism , ...
    > Dzis znowu ofiary ,... oko za oko , zab za zab ,... Niedlugo wszyscy beda
    slepi
    >
    > i jesc kaszke , przygnebiajace .
    >
    > Narazie ,... Znasz te strone ?
    >
    > www.ancienttexts.org/index.html
    >


    .........................................................................

    Czy aby nie demonizujesz Sjonizmu... tak jak to robili Komunisci swego czasu..

    Islam tak jak Komunizm i Nazizm chce opanowac caly swiat a Zydzi i Izrael nie

    przepadaja za totalitarnymi systemami...

    crying((
    Swiete texty o UFO sa interesujace...

    www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/index.htm
    November 18, 1990
    BIBLEUFO.ASC
    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    FLYING SAUCERS: THE BIBLE CONNECTION

    Bible scholar, Barry Downing, firmly believes that biblical
    teachings were inspired by extraterrestial beings who came to
    earth in flying sausers. Downing was so convinced, he wrote a book
    about his theory called THE BIBLE AND FLYING SAUCERS (Lippincott,
    New York, 1968).

    In the book, Downing says the bible clearly points out how UFOs
    played a strong role in the evolution of the Hebrew-Christian
    faith. For example, Downing believes the Scriptures suggest that
    Jesus' resurrection occured when he was beamed up from Earth by a
    flying saucer.

    Downing also believes that the bright cloud that led the people
    of Israel through the Red Sea, parting the waters and then
    engulfing the Egyptions, was a UFO.

    The Author even claims it was space beings who spoke to Moses
    from the middle of a glowing thicket, and later spoke to Elijah
    outside the cave, forcing the prophet to sheild his eyes because
    of the brightness. A UFO took Jesus away at the Ascension, and
    hovered over Paul and his followers on the Damascus Road, Downing
    contends.

    Further, the author claims the three wise men probably followed
    a UFO to Bethlehem, since stars do not move or abruptly stop in
    the manner the bible describes.

    Downing claims that evidence proving UFOs could be hazardous to
    human health can also be found in the Bible. He points to
    references to the Egyptians drowning in the Red Sea, warning Moses
    not to approach too near the burning bush, and warnings given his
    followers not to approach Mount Sinai, as proof. The author
    points out other mystifying events in the Bible that he believes
    can only be interpreted to mean the participants had contact with
    UFOs.

    For example, he points out that when Moses decended from Mount
    Sinai with two tablets in his hands, Exodus records that the skin
    of his face shone from talking with God. And he says the NEW
    TESTAMENT describes how Jesus began to glow when in contact with a
    bright object on a mountain.


    Page 1

    When the Tabernacle was built, Downing cotends the priests
    serving it were told by ETs what clothing to wear to protect
    themselves against radiation, because the UFO hovered like a cloud
    over the tent enclosing the Tabernacle. Downing believes this
    precaution could have brought about the Jewish custom of wearing
    skullcaps into houses of worship. The author even suggests
    mutations in the growth of biological life caused by radiation
    could have resulted in the plagues described in Exodus.

    Downing further theorizes that Einstein's curvature of space
    theory provides aclue to the place where heaven is located. The
    author contends Jesus may have meant that the kingdom of heaven
    quite literally rests in the midst of us, meaning that heaven is
    on an entirely different plane or wave length, invisible to us,
    but existing parallel to our own and connected by bends or warps
    in the space-time continuum.

    06/01/90
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    this file provided to KeelyNet courteousy of
    the Darkside BBS at 314-644-6705
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    Vangard Notes...

    The burning bush is distinctly reminescent of an effect which
    can be induced by a high frequency/high voltage Tesla coil.
    Any mass can be made to emit visible light at high voltages.
    Another possibility is a plasma excited from behind or within
    the bush.

    We refer you to the file on KeelyNet entitled MARS1.ZIP or
    .ASC (for non-IBM). It refers to a communication system
    using a modulated plasma. Other files are ARKCOV1.ZIP and
    NOAHARK1.ZIP.

    We concur with Dr. Downings thoughts regarding Biblical
    miracles as being produced by the high technology from a
    source or sources more evolved than man at that time. They
    could be other worldly, other dimensional or inner Earth. No
    one can say at this time and prove their contentions.

    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    If you have comments or other information relating to such
    topics as this paper covers, please upload to KeelyNet or
    send to the Vangard Sciences address as listed on the
    first page.
    Thank you for your consideration, interest and support.

    Jerry W. Decker.........Ron Barker...........Chuck Henderson
    Vangard Sciences/KeelyNet

    www.sacred-texts.com/bib/jps/index.htm.................................................

    wink)))))


    pozdrawiam




  • Gość: sp;it IP: *.nas34.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 10.09.03, 21:51
    And another beautiful Day on God's Green Earth !!! Witam ! smile

    Hej Rabbi , ... Paciorek za wspanialego ziomka ? Please !

    www1.gazeta.pl/forum/794674,30353,794652.html?f=44&w=7906530
  • 11.09.03, 02:59
    Gość portalu: sp;it napisał(a):

    > And another beautiful Day on God's Green Earth !!! Witam ! smile
    >
    > Hej Rabbi , ... Paciorek za wspanialego ziomka ? Please !
    >
    > www1.gazeta.pl/forum/794674,30353,794652.html?f=44&w=7906530

    Przeczytalem z zainteresowaniem relacje o Malden Mills, the textile company in
    Lawrence, Mass i jego wlascicielu Feuersteinie ktory dziala wbrew ogolnie
    przyjetej praktyce a to ze wzgledu na motywy moralne z Tory...
    Ha kol ha kavot...
    Moj pelny szacunek dla tego czlowieka ...Zysk ekonomiczny bez nie jest jedynym
    wymiernikiem wartosci ...bez software - human factor - nie funkcjonuje
    hardware - komputer, bez psychiki nie moze czlowiek funkcjonowac... bez
    wartosci duchowych rozpadaja sie korporacje spolecznosci kultury i cywilizacje
    ...tak to zawsze bylo.Co z tego ze zdobyles pieniadze za cene utraty wlasnego
    poczucia wartosci i integralnosci...

    ...Wiecej i wiecej 100 1000 100000 $ to wszystko ILOSC a jest jeszcze
    JAKOSC ...

    Nie ilosc pieniedzy decyduje o wartosci REALNEJ czlowieka ...mowi sie nawet
    to czlowiek WARTOSCIOWY : bo ma wiedze i sie z nia dzieli, bo pomaga innym..,

    ....ISTNIEJE BOGACTWO DUCHA

    Sp;it paciorkow nie zmawiam za ziomkow za to wysle mu list i bede go popieral

    Z wyrazami sympatii
    JJ
  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas34.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 11.09.03, 00:28

    Czy aby nie demonizujesz Sjonizmu... tak jak to robili Komunisci swego czasu..

    Islam tak jak Komunizm i Nazizm chce opanowac caly swiat a Zydzi i Izrael nie

    przepadaja za totalitarnymi systemami...

    ===============================================================================

    Nie wiem jak z toba rozmawiac skoro nawet nie dopuszczasz do siebie mysli ze
    atak na USS Liberty byl cynicznie egzekwowana akcja , ... Pytales nawet jaki by
    mieli powod ? Powod byl prosty , Amerykanie dostarczali bron pod warunkiem ze
    bedzie uzyta w celach obronnych , atak i aneksja Golan Hights takim nie byla ,
    Liberty byl po to tam zeby monitorowac komunikacje radiowa , przerwanie
    nasluchu postawilo Stany przed faktem dokonanym a ze mamy politykow bez jaj to
    sie upieklo , ... Zajeliscie Golan wsrod zwyklych ludzi i na dluzsza mete nie
    jestem pewien czy to byl dobrze przemyslany krok . Tracicie sympatie !
    Syjonizm narazie nie ma moze swiatowych zapedow , ale ma z pewnoscia cel
    dominowania w regionie i tego nie zaprzeczysz , wg szerszej opinii publicznej
    to jest tylko odskocznia na wieksza skale .

    Zajrzyj do Z. Sitchin The 10th planet jak juz zaczales na temat Sci-fiction

    Z szacunkiem
  • 11.09.03, 04:31
    Gość portalu: sp;lit napisał(a):

    >
    > Czy aby nie demonizujesz Sjonizmu... tak jak to robili Komunisci swego
    czasu..
    >
    > Islam tak jak Komunizm i Nazizm chce opanowac caly swiat a Zydzi i Izrael nie
    >
    > przepadaja za totalitarnymi systemami...
    >
    >
    ===============================================================================
    >
    > Nie wiem jak z toba rozmawiac skoro nawet nie dopuszczasz do siebie mysli
    ze
    >
    > atak na USS Liberty byl cynicznie egzekwowana akcja , ... Pytales nawet jaki
    by
    >
    > mieli powod ? Powod byl prosty , Amerykanie dostarczali bron pod warunkiem
    ze
    > bedzie uzyta w celach obronnych , atak i aneksja Golan Hights takim nie
    byla ,
    > Liberty byl po to tam zeby monitorowac komunikacje radiowa , przerwanie
    > nasluchu postawilo Stany przed faktem dokonanym a ze mamy politykow bez jaj
    to
    > sie upieklo , ... Zajeliscie Golan wsrod zwyklych ludzi i na dluzsza mete
    nie
    > jestem pewien czy to byl dobrze przemyslany krok . Tracicie sympatie !
    > Syjonizm narazie nie ma moze swiatowych zapedow , ale ma z pewnoscia cel
    > dominowania w regionie i tego nie zaprzeczysz , wg szerszej opinii
    publicznej
    > to jest tylko odskocznia na wieksza skale .
    >
    > Zajrzyj do Z. Sitchin The 10th planet jak juz zaczales na temat Sci-
    fiction
    >
    > Z szacunkiem
    ========================================================================

    Z wyrazami szacunku

    Dopuszczam do siebie wszystkie mysli nawet takie "ze atak na USS Liberty byl

    cynicznie egzekwowana akcja " ale nie wszystkie takie mysli zatrzymuje

    ze wzgledu na ich paranoidalny wymiar...Wojna 6 dniowa 1967 roku byla

    rezultatem Sowieckiej polityki poparcia Nasera w celu likwidacji Izraela i

    opanowania calego Bliskiego Wschodu i utworzenia Zjednoczonej

    Republiki Arabskiej w ktorej sklad wchodzilby Egipt Syria Jordania i Irak ...

    no ale historia potoczyla sie inaczej...Islam i Komunizm opiera sie

    expansji terytorialnej , destrukcji wolnosci i totalnemu podporzadkowanie

    jednostki a jezeli masz na ten temat inny poglad to byc moze nie jestes tym

    za kogo sie przedstawiasz ,co zreszta nie ma znaczenia bo milo sie z toba

    rozmawia wink


    Z. Sitchin The 10th planet nie znam ale postaram sie przeczytac ...

    Polecam Pamietnik Znaleziony w Wannie - Lema

    pozdrawiam

    jj




  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas25.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 11.09.03, 20:14
    Jesli nie czytales Sitchin'a to koniecznie to zrob a zwlaszcza ze ziomek i
    najbardziej przekonywujace tezy z autorow ktorych czytalem do tej pory z Sci-
    fiction ,... Zna kilka starozytnych jezykow , w tym sumeryjski ,... Uwazaj tez
    zeby ci nie "przemeblowal strychu" smile Ja teraz "mecze" Legends of the Bible ,
    Ginsberga rownolegle z Book of Gilgamesh szukajac Lilith ,...

    A w miedzyczasie masz dwoch Rabbi z odmienna opinia na temat Zionizmu niz twoja.

    sf.indymedia.org/print.php?id=1622438
    www.jewsnotzionists.org/Interview%20Rabbi%20Beck.htm
  • 11.09.03, 22:19
    Gość portalu: sp;lit napisał(a):

    > Jesli nie czytales Sitchin'a to koniecznie to zrob a zwlaszcza ze ziomek
    i
    > najbardziej przekonywujace tezy z autorow ktorych czytalem do tej pory z Sci-
    > fiction ,... Zna kilka starozytnych jezykow , w tym sumeryjski ,... Uwazaj
    tez
    > zeby ci nie "przemeblowal strychu" smile Ja teraz "mecze" Legends of the Bible ,
    > Ginsberga rownolegle z Book of Gilgamesh szukajac Lilith ,...
    >
    > A w miedzyczasie masz dwoch Rabbi z odmienna opinia na temat Zionizmu niz
    twoja
    > .
    >
    > sf.indymedia.org/print.php?id=1622438
    > www.jewsnotzionists.org/Interview%20Rabbi%20Beck.htm


    ´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´

    Judaizm wspolczesny nie jest monolitem a sklada sie z 3 glownych kierunkow

    Reformowany

    rj.org/
    Konserwatywny

    www.uscj.org/index1.html

    i Ortodoksyjny


    www.ou.org/about/judaism2.htm
    /Roznica miedzy nimi jest ogromna tak jak miedzy rozmaitymi odmianami

    chrzescijanstwa/ przy czym ortodoksi w tej klasyfikacji odpowiadaliby

    katolicyzmowi ...poza tymi nurtami znajduja sie Ultra-ortodoksi Hassydzi

    w rozmaitych ugrupowaniach ktorych korzenie siegaja 17 wieku i terenow

    Rosji i Polski ...Naturei Karta to sekta ultra-ultra ortodoksyjna ktora

    wpatrzona jest wylacznie w przeszlosc ...i negujaca wspolczesnosc tak jak

    Khomenizm w islamie...

    Nikt nie manopolu na glupote...wink

    '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''


    Sitchin ktorego zaczalem wlasnie czytac jest rzeczywiscie fascynujacy

    www.sitchin.com/adam.htm
    THE CASE OF ADAM’S ALIEN GENES

    In whose image was The Adam – the prototype of modern humans, Homo sapiens –
    created?

    The Bible asserts that the Elohim said: “Let us fashion the Adam in our image
    and after our likeness.” But if one is to accept a tentative explanation for
    enigmatic genes that humans possess, offered when the deciphering of the human
    genome was announced in mid-February, the feat was decided upon by a group of
    bacteria!

    “Humbling” was the prevalent adjective used by the scientific teams and the
    media to describe the principal finding – that the human genome contains not
    the anticipated 100,000 - 140,000 genes (the stretches of DNA that direct the
    production of amino-acids and proteins) but only some 30,000+ -- little more
    than double the 13,601 genes of a fruit fly and barely fifty percent more than
    the roundworm’s 19,098. What a comedown from the pinnacle of the genomic Tree
    of Life!

    Moreover, there was hardly any uniqueness to the human genes. They are
    comparative to not the presumed 95 percent but to almost 99 percent of the
    chimpanzees, and 70 percent of the mouse. Human genes, with the same
    functions, were found to be identical to genes of other vertebrates, as well
    as invertebrates, plants, fungi, even yeast. The findings not only confirmed
    that there was one source of DNA for all life on Earth, but also enabled the
    scientists to trace the evolutionary process – how more complex organisms
    evolved, genetically, from simpler ones, adopting at each stage the genes of a
    lower life form to create a more complex higher life form – culminating with
    Homo sapiens.
    ........................................................................

    jak zapoznam sie z calym tekstem przekaze ci moja opinie...zobaczymy co

    tu przemebluje...wink))

    Dziekuje sp;lit za link !

    Shalom - Ostan sie w Pokoju ...
  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas34.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 16.09.03, 01:19
    Wiec co ? "naginamy religie do wlasnych potrzeb uzaleznionych od czasu i
    sytuacji ??? ,... Czas mija , Religia (calyn znaczeniu tego wyrazu) jako
    Religia sie nie zmienia , albo wierzysz co Moses nauczal po zejsciu z gory ,
    albo nie ,... Nie podpieraj sie reformacja , bo taka nie ma racji egzystencji w
    opinii Stworcy ,... Nie pierwszy i nie ostatni raz Zydzi ida za zlym
    przykladem ,... Dlaczego ? Bo boja sie kwestionowac swoich liderow ,...

    Stay well my jewish friend smile
  • 16.09.03, 01:59
    Gość portalu: sp;lit napisał(a):

    > Wiec co ? "naginamy religie do wlasnych potrzeb uzaleznionych od czasu i
    > sytuacji ???

    A tak NIE jest ??? B-G dal czlowiekowi rozum aby z niego korzystac i
    wspoluczestniczyc w procesie stwarzania a religia ktora sie nie rozwija
    konczy sie marnie...


    ,... Czas mija , Religia (calyn znaczeniu tego wyrazu) jako
    > Religia sie nie zmienia , albo wierzysz co Moses nauczal po zejsciu z gory ,
    > albo nie ,... Nie podpieraj sie reformacja , bo taka nie ma racji
    egzystencji w
    >
    > opinii Stworcy

    A kto to twierdzi ? Stworca ? Sobor Watykanski ? Ksiadz Jankowski ?

    ,... Nie pierwszy i nie ostatni raz Zydzi ida za zlym
    > przykladem ,... Dlaczego ? Bo boja sie kwestionowac swoich liderow ,...

    Zartujesz chyba winkGdzie 2 zydow tam 3 partie polityczne...

    Stay well my polish friend smile))
  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas34.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 17.09.03, 00:54
    Co masz na mysli ? ,... Reformacja ,... kaplanki w synagogach ? Pederasci
    kaplanami u Presbiterians , Ewangelicy czekajacy na Armagetum ,... Pedofile po
    soborze watykanskim ?
    To sa wytyczne na przyszlosc , ktore Mojzesz przyniosl z gory ? Czy przyszlo Ci
    kiedys na mysl , ze dzisiejszy Israel moze tym przyslowiowym jest zlotym
    cielcem ?

    Masz racje ,... Gdzie dwoch Zydow tam trzy opinie (tam na gorze) reszta
    idzie jak cmy do swiatla , jeden Zyd madry Zyd ,... Jako narod wielki balagan !

    See You again
  • 17.09.03, 02:00
    Moses

    Moses was the greatest prophet, leader and teacher that Judaism has ever
    known. In fact, one of Rambam's 13 Principles of Faith is the belief that
    Moses's prophecies are true, and that he was the greatest of the prophets. He
    is called "Moshe Rabbeinu," that is, Moses, Our Teacher/Rabbi. Interestingly,
    the numerical value of "Moshe Rabbeinu" is 613: the number of mitzvot that
    Moses taught the Children of Israel! He is described as the only person who
    ever knew G-d face-to-face (Deut. 34:10) and mouth-to-mouth (Num. 12:8), which
    means that G-d spoke to Moses directly, in plain language, not through visions
    and dreams, as G-d communicated with other prophets.

    Moses was born on 7 Adar in the year 2368 from Creation (circa 1400 BCE), the
    son of Amram, a member of the tribe of Levi, and Yocheved, Levi's daughter
    (Ex. 6:16-20). Unlike the heroes of many other ancient cultures, Moses did not
    have a miraculous birth. Amram married Yocheved, and she conceived, and she
    gave birth (Ex. 2:1-2). The only unusual thing about his birth is Yocheved's
    advanced age: Yocheved was born while Jacob and his family were entering
    Egypt, so she was 130 when Moses was born. His father named him Chaver, and
    his grandfather called him Avigdor, but he is known to history as Moses, a
    name given to him by Pharaoh's daughter.

    The name "Moses" comes from a root meaning "take out," because Moses was taken
    out of the river (Ex. 2:10). Some modern scholars point out that the root M-S-
    S in Egyptian means "son of" as in the name Ramases (son of Ra), but it is
    worth noting that Moses's name in Hebrew is M-Sh-H, not M-S-S. According to
    one Jewish source, Pharaoh's daughter actually named him Minios, which
    means "drawn out" in Egyptian, and the name Moshe (Moses) was a Hebrew
    translation of that name, just as a Russian immigrant named Ivan might change
    his name to the English equivalent, John.

    Moses was born in a very difficult time: Pharaoh had ordered that all male
    children born to the Hebrew slaves should be drowned in the river (Ex. 1:22).
    Yocheved hid Moses for three months, and when she could no longer hide him,
    she put him in a little ark and placed it on the river where Pharaoh's
    daughter bathed (Ex. 2:2-3). Pharaoh's daughter found the child and had
    compassion on him (Ex. 2:6). At the suggestion of Moses's sister Miriam,
    Pharaoh's daughter hired Yocheved to nurse Moses until he was weaned (Ex. 2:7-
    10). Yocheved instilled in Moses a knowledge of his heritage and a love of his
    people that could not be erased by the 40 years he spent in the antisemitic
    court of Pharaoh.

    Little is known about Moses's youth. The biblical narrative skips from his
    adoption by Pharaoh's daughter to his killing of an Egyptian taskmaster some
    40 years later. One traditional story tells that when he was a child, sitting
    on Pharaoh's knee, Moses took the crown off of Pharaoh's head and put it on.
    The court magicians took this as a bad sign and demanded that he be tested:
    they put a brazier full of gold and a brazier full of hot coals before him to
    see which he would take. If Moses took the gold, he would have to be killed.
    An angel guided Moses's hand to the coal, and he put it into his mouth,
    leaving him with a life-long speech impediment (Ex. 4:10).

    Although Moses was raised by Egyptians, his compassion for his people was so
    great that he could not bear to see them beaten by Pharaoh's taskmasters. One
    day, when Moses was about 40 years old, he saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew
    slave, and he was so outraged that he struck and killed the Egyptian (Ex. 2:11-
    12). But when both his fellow Hebrews and the Pharaoh condemned him for this
    action, Moses was forced to flee from Egypt (Ex. 2:14-15).

    He fled to Midian, where he met and married Zipporah, the daughter of a
    Midianite priest (Ex. 2:16-21). They had a son, Gershom (Ex. 2:22). Moses
    spent 40 years in Midian tending his father-in-law's sheep. A midrash tells
    that Moses was chosen to lead the Children of Israel because of his kindness
    to animals. When he was bringing the sheep to a river for water, one lamb did
    not come. Moses went to the little lamb and carried it to the water so it
    could drink. Like G-d, Moses cared about each individual in the group, and not
    just about the group as a whole. This showed that he was a worthy shepherd for
    G-d's flock.

    I'm sure everyone knows what happened next - if you haven't read the book,
    then you've certainly seen the movie. G-d appeared to Moses and chose him to
    lead the people out of Egyptian slavery and to the Promised Land (Ex. Chs. 3-
    4). With the help of his brother Aaron, Moses spoke to Pharaoh and triggered
    the plagues against Egypt (Ex. Chs. 4-12). He then led the people out of Egypt
    and across the sea to freedom, and brought them to Mount Sinai, where G-d gave
    the people the Torah and the people accepted it (Ex. Chs. 12-24).

    G-d revealed the entire Torah to Moses. The entire Torah includes the first
    five books of the Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy)
    that Moses himself wrote as G-d instructed him. It also includes all of the
    remaining prophecies and history that would later be written down in the
    remaining books of scripture, and the entire Oral Torah, the oral tradition
    for interpreting the Torah, that would later be written down in the Talmud.
    Moses spent the rest of his life writing the first five books, essentially
    taking dictation from G-d.

    After Moses received instruction from G-d about the Law and how to interpret
    it, he came back down to the people and started hearing cases and judging them
    for the people, but this quickly became too much for one man. Upon the advice
    of his father-in-law, Yitro, Moses instituted a judicial system (Ex. 18:13-
    26).

    Moses was not perfect. Like any man, he had his flaws and his moments of
    weakness, and the Bible faithfully records these shortcomings. In fact, Moses
    was not permitted to enter the Promised Land because of a transgression (Deut.
    32:48-52). Moses was told to speak to a rock to get water from it, but instead
    he struck the rock repeatedly with a rod, showing improper anger and a lack of
    faith (Num. 20:7-13).

    Moses died in the year 2488, just before the people crossed over into the
    Promised Land (Deut. 32:51). He completed writing the first five books of the
    Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy) before he died.
    There is some dispute as to who physically wrote the last few verses of
    Deuteronomy: according to some, Moses wrote these last few verses from a
    vision of the future, but according to others, the last few verses were added
    by Joshua after Moses's death. In any case, these verses, like everything else
    in the Torah, were written by G-d, and the actual identity of the transcriber
    is not important.

    Moses's position as leader of Israel was not hereditary. His son, Gershom, did
    not inherit the leadership of Israel. Moses's chosen successor was Joshua, son
    of Nun (Deut. 34:9).

    Moses was 120 years old at the time that he died (Deut. 34:7). That lifespan
    is considered to be ideal, and has become proverbial: one way to wish a person
    well in Jewish tradition is to say, "May you live to be 120!"

    As important as Moses was to the Children of Israel, it is always important to
    remember that Moses himself was not the deliverer or redeemer of Israel. It
    was G-d who redeemed Israel, not Moses. Moses was merely G-d's prophet, His
    spokesman. The traditional text of the Pesach haggadah does not even mention
    Moses's name. In order to prevent people from idolatrously worshipping Moses,
    his grave was left unmarked (Deut. 34:6).
  • 17.09.03, 02:56
    www.jewfaq.org/moshe.htm
    podalem ci ten cytat z powyzszego zrodla aby przedstawic ci roznice miedzy
    Judaizmem a Chrzescijanska recepcja Judaizmu ...Judaizm nie skonczyl sie
    w roku 0 a rozwija sie nadal...G - d_____f a c e - t o - f a c e

    Ps przyznasz tez iz jest sporo krytycznego i samokrytycznego myslenia w
    Judaizmie ...czego kazdemu mozna zyczyc ...wink

    Z wyrazami szacunku i zyczliwosci

    rjj


  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas34.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 17.09.03, 23:30
    rabin_joe_jerushalmi napisał:

    > www.jewfaq.org/moshe.htma
    > podalem ci ten cytat z powyzszego zrodla aby przedstawic ci roznice miedzy
    > Judaizmem a Chrzescijanska recepcja Judaizmu ...Judaizm nie skonczyl sie
    > w roku 0 a rozwija sie nadal...G - d_____f a c e - t o - f a c e
    >
    > Ps przyznasz tez iz jest sporo krytycznego i samokrytycznego myslenia w
    > Judaizmie ...czego kazdemu mozna zyczyc ...wink
    >
    > Z wyrazami szacunku i zyczliwosci
    >
    > rjj

    ===========================================================================

    Myslenia ,... Tak ! Trudno zaprzeczyc , gorzej z podazaniem droga prawdy ,
    widzisz pod tym wzledem Shepardic i niektore odlamy Judaizmu pochodzace z tego
    regionu sa blizsze nauczaniu Mojzesza i potrafia zyc w zgodzie z innymi wiarami
    i chyba dlatego sa gorzej traktowani przez Europejskich Zydow w Israelu . Zydzi
    Tunezji , Algierii czy Marocco nie mysla wracac do Ziemi Obiecanej z typowo
    Arabskich krajow i cos w tym jest . Nieuwazasz ?

    Dziele sie sie z Toba bardziej optymistyczna wiadomoscia ,... Konkurencja Ci
    rosnie ,... Natknalem sie przypadkowo .

    Sholom !


    www.newhousenews.com/archive/diamant091503.html
    >
    >
  • 18.09.03, 02:42
    Differences in Sephardic and Ashkenazi genealogy

    Areas of the world
    Among the most obvious differences in researching Sephardic and Ashkenazi
    ancestry is that they lived in different areas of the world. Ashkenazim lived
    primarily in Europe and eastern Europe whereas Sephardim lived in countries
    around the Mediterranean, the Ottoman empire, which welcomed them after their
    expulsion from Spain, and in the Americas particularly south America. A lot of
    Jewish genealogists have focussed on researching eastern European government
    records and US naturalization related records. Though sometimes helpful, these
    sources are of relatively less value to Sephardic researchers who would be
    more interested in early Iberian notarial records, Inquisition records in
    Spain, in the Americas and the Caribbean.

    Old family names
    Whereas most Ashkenazi surnames are of relatively recent origin, many, though
    not all, Sephardic surnames go back many centuries and sometimes a millennium
    or more. Whereas it is dictum in Ashkenazi research that a family name is of
    less importance than the name of the ancestral shtetl, this is not true when
    dealing with Sephardic names. Sephardic family names do suggest kinship,
    though the common ancestral link may have lived 5 or 600 years earlier. As
    such, the implication is that as we go further back in the centuries it
    becomes more likely that the person found bearing that surname is a common
    though distant ancestor but this does not hold true for contemporaries or in
    the recent past. Although one needs to strictly follow the genealogist's rule
    of going from known to unknown when building a personal family tree, there is
    some validity in researching an ancient Sephardic family name and this coupled
    to the fact that many Sephardim can list several generations in their family,
    sometimes back to 1492 the date of the expulsion from Spain, makes such
    research of added interest.

    http://www.sephardicstudies.org/entrance.html

    The World of Islam
    For a large part of their history, Sephardic Jews lived in Moslem and middle-
    eastern lands while Ashkenazi Jews lived in Christian and eastern european
    lands. In learning about Sephardim it is therefore important to understand
    their standing in the Moslem world.
    The early Moslems saw the earth as divided into 3 spheres. On one side was the
    Islamic World, darb el Islam, (the sphere of Islam) where the population was
    all Moslem or under Moslem rule. In time it was felt that all peoples on earth
    should accept Islam as the true faith and it was the duty of the Moslem to
    cause this to occur as rapidly as possible. Hence the rapid expansion of Islam
    in the giddy early centuries after the birth of Islam when the Moslem armies
    seemed invincible.

    On the other side was the pagan world (darb el harb, the sphere of war). This
    world was to be forcibly conquered and the vanquished pagan populations were
    to be given only 2 choices: death or conversion to Islam.

    The third Sphere lay between these two. Named darb el Salah, sphere of peace,
    this was made up of people who the Moslems felt had received a partial
    revelation of the true nature of God but needed to move on to the full
    revelation provided by Mohammad. This group consisted of the Jews and
    Christians, also known as the people of the book, ahl al kitab.

    Having received partial truth, Jews and Christians were to be tolerated and
    allowed to exist under Islamic rule and indeed to be protected by the rulers.
    As Ahl al dhimmis (protected people) they were allowed full autonomy in their
    internal affairs and could engage in most occupations - both of which did not
    exist for Jews in Christian Europe. Their synagogues, churches and personal
    property were protected and they could travel freely through Moslem lands
    except for Arabia itself.

    However, so that they would be encouraged to convert to Islam, they were to be
    made "uncomfortable" in a variety of ways, known as the Covenant of Omar
    ("till they pay the tribute readily, offered on the back of their hands, in a
    state of humiliation" sura 9:29)). These included special additional taxes
    (jiziya poll tax and haradj produce tax), the wearing of distinctive yellow
    clothes and prohibition of riding horses or wearing swords, etc. They were to
    always hold a position inferior to the Moslem, could never be in a position of
    commanding a Moslem and were to be generally scorned.

    http://www.orthohelp.com/geneal/Islam.HTM

    So what happened in Moslem Spain?

    Enforcement of the covenant of Omar varied greatly depending on time, place or
    both. As a general rule the further the location from Arabia the less
    stringently were the restrictions enforced. Moslem Spain in the west and
    Turkey and the Ottoman empire in the east were the most lax in this respect.
    However even here this varied depending on the time period. When the fanatical
    and religious Almohad dynasty came into power in the 12th century in Spain,
    the restrictions were enforced to the fullest and it was not a happy time for
    Jews.

    When the Moslems conquered Spain, they found themselves to be in the minority.
    The tolerance shown by the Moslem rulers towards both Christians and Jews was
    largely due to the fact that they needed their help to govern the country. The
    Jews, a fellow semitic people with a similar language to Arabic, and a long
    standing love for education rose rapidly to positions of importance in Moslem
    Spain. The Christians, largely illiterate - a character in Don Quichote when
    asked if he could read exclaims "Of course not, I am a good Christian sir!" -
    fared less well.

    In Christian Europe Jews were often the only significant minority and as such
    the full wrath of the majority was focussed on them alone. On the other hand,
    in Spain Jews were only one of several minorities with other minorities more
    likely to draw the rulers anger. Whereas in Europe, the Church's depiction of
    Jews as "Christ killers" obviously played a major role in how Jews were
    mistreated, this was not a factor under the Moslems. On the contrary, Jews
    were seen as recipients, albeit incomplete, of the truth about God. In fact
    there is evidence that Mohammad was strongly influenced in his formative
    period by Jews, probably Karaites, and had great hopes that Jews would be very
    receptive to his teachings. His subsequent rejection by Jewish tribes whom he
    sought to convert was a prime cause of his anger towards them.

    In the Moslem state of Granada, Jews were so prominent, both in population and
    government, that it was called Garnatat al Yahud (Granada of the Jews). In
    11th, Samuel ben Joseph Halevi ibn Nagrela was named Grand Vizier to King
    Badis and commander in chief of the armies, both in blatant disregard of the
    Covenant of Omar. On his death in 1056 he was succeeded in that position by
    his son Joseph. However on Dec 30 1066 angry moslems caused Joseph to be
    murdered on his way to Shabbat services following which a moslem riot occurred
    and 1500 Granadian Jews were killed. Though Jews continued preeminent in
    financial and cultural circles this demonstrated the insecurity of that
    prominence.

    Like French Jews using French, Italian Jews using Italian, Jews in Moslem
    Spain used Arabic as the spoken vernacular and often wrote it with Hebrew
    letters. Maimonides, Ibn Gabirol, ibn Ezra, etc. all wrote in Arabic. As
    Arabic grammar was developed, it prompted a revival of spoken Hebrew and the
    development of its grammar and there followed a flow of delightful Hebrew
    poetry.
    =====================================================================
    And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?

    http://www.uwm.edu/~corre/occasionala/seattle.html

  • 18.09.03, 03:06
    Ashkenazic developments

    The spokesmen of Ashkenazic Jewry, into whose communities the Sefardim had
    been thrust by political events, regarded their own heritage and the Christian
    world in which they lived from a perspective shaped exclusively by rabbinic
    categories. From the world of the Talmud and Midrash they drew their school
    texts and the values that determined their judgments. Sensing no intellectual
    challenge in Christian faith, which they regarded with thinly concealed
    contempt, they constituted for the most part a merchant class that lived in
    urban centres under the protection of ecclesiastical and temporal rulers but
    under their own complex of laws and institutions. Except for mercantile
    relations, Christian society was closed to them, thanks largely to age-old
    ecclesiastical prohibitions forbidding all social intercourse with them. With
    the Arab conquest and the rise of the Carolingians (the 8th-10th-century
    dynasty that ruled France and Germany), the 12-decade interlude of suppression
    by the Visigoths (589-711) came to an end, and the Roman precedent of
    toleration and autonomy again became the rule. Merchants and rabbis moved from
    Italy to France and the Rhineland and infused new energies into the Jewish
    communities there. A native religious leadership began to emerge at the very
    time that Andalusian Jewry was entering its Golden Age. The bloody upheavals
    of the First Crusade (1096-99) in the communities of the Rhineland, although
    unleashing a tide of hatred, periodic violence, and progressive restrictions
    on Jewish activities, struck Jewish communities that had attained sufficient
    resilience to reestablish their communal institutions shortly afterward and
    continue the cultivation of their deeply ingrained traditions.

    By 1150 Ashkenazic Jewry had generated a culture pattern of its own with an
    indigenous literature that ranged from the popular homily to the esoteric
    tract on the nature of the divine glory. Study of the Bible and Talmud was
    oriented toward a mystical pietism in which prayer and contemplation of the
    secrets embedded in the liturgy were to lead to religious experience.
    Significantly, the fathers of the Ashkenazic tradition were remembered as
    liturgical poets and initiates into divine mysteries, and the early codes of
    the Franco-German schools were heavily weighted with discussions of liturgical
    usage. After the Second Crusade (1147-49), the German Jewish mystics (also
    called Hasidim, or pietists) placed heavy emphasis on the merits of
    asceticism, martyrdom and lifelong disciplines of penitence, thus adapting to
    Jewish idiom the features of saintliness celebrated in the universe of
    discourse of which they were a part. For the masses of Jews the cultural fare
    consisted principally of biblical tales and instruction, as interpreted by
    rabbinic Midrash, the lives of scholars and saints, and liturgical poetry
    reaffirming the election of Israel and faith in messianic redemption. The
    chief vehicle of popular instruction consisted of anthologies from the
    Rabbinic writings and commentaries on Scripture, of which the most popular was
    that of Rabbi Solomon ben Issac of Troyes, known as Rashi, the acronym formed
    from the initials of his name in Hebrew. For the more advanced student, Rashi
    composed a succinct commentary on the Talmud that, unmatched for compact
    thoroughness and lucidity, achieved an authority approaching that of the text
    itself.

    As living sources of law and values, the Bible and Talmud had an impact that
    was apparent in communal decision and in the bearing of the leadership at
    home, in the marketplace, and in the synagogue. Taking their cue from Talmudic
    precedent and from Christian ecclesiastical procedures of their own times, the
    Ashkenazic rabbis occasionally gathered in regional synods to enact
    legislation on problems of a general nature for which there was no adequate
    precedent in the literature. Among the most enduring of these measures were
    the prohibition of bigamy and arbitrary divorce and severe economic penalties
    for abandonment of wives. Of far more immediate concern to the average Jew
    were the circumvention of Talmudic prohibitions against usury, relaxation of
    prohibitions regarding traffic with Gentiles in wines, and adoption of severe
    disciplinary measures, such as excommunication, against informers or those
    appealing, in cases involving Jews, to the Gentile authorities.

    A new religious trend began in Provence (a province of southeastern France) in
    the 13th century with the introduction into the Talmudic academies of a novel
    form of mystical study known as Kabbala (literally, "tradition"), which soon
    spread to northern Spain. Expressing Gnostic-type doctrines in rabbinic guise,
    the devotees of Kabbala devised an esoteric vocabulary that reinterpreted the
    Bible and rabbinic law as allegories of the various modes in which God is
    manifested in a spiritual universe, access to which was reserved for
    initiates. The most renowned literary product of this new circle was the Zohar
    ("The Book of Splendour"), a vast mystical commentary on the Pentateuch by
    Moses de León (c. 1275), which with later additions became the Bible of Jewish
    mystics everywhere. Although some of the theological notions of the Kabbalists
    deviated from basic postulates of Jewish monotheism, the insistence of the
    mystics on unflagging ritual orthodoxy and on a nominal acceptance of the
    biblical text as divine revelation helped them avert the suspicions aroused by
    Jewish Aristotelians and Averroists (followers of the 12th-century Arabic
    Aristotelian philosopher Averroës) and, in time, even won for them the status
    of a rabbinic elite. Indeed, some of the mystics lent their support to the
    antiphilosophic campaign that began in Montpellier, in southern France, c.
    1200 and condemned the study of philosophy as generating skepticism,
    latitudinarianism, and disrespect for traditional literature.

    www.islamic-paths.org/Home/English/Issues/Religion/Jewish/History_09.htm
  • 18.09.03, 03:37
    Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations; ask your
    father, and he will show you;
    your elders, and they will tell you. -- Deuteronomy, 32:7



    Dziekuje sp;it za linki z Jewish Theological Seminary of America, mam tam
    wielu znajomych ktorych zawsze milo wspominam ...Zycze ci wszystkiego
    najlepszego z okazji zblizajacego sie Nowego Roku 5764 /26 wrzesnia/
    Shalom my friend
    rjj
    Ps W zwiazku z problemami ktore poruszyles ...Nikt nie ma monopolu na
    glupote wink))
  • Gość: sp;lit :) IP: *.nas25.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 18.09.03, 22:51
    rabin_joe_jerushalmi napisał:

    > Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations; ask your
    > father, and he will show you;
    > your elders, and they will tell you. -- Deuteronomy, 32:7
    >
    >
    >
    > Dziekuje sp;it za linki z Jewish Theological Seminary of America, mam tam
    > wielu znajomych ktorych zawsze milo wspominam ...Zycze ci wszystkiego
    > najlepszego z okazji zblizajacego sie Nowego Roku 5764 /26 wrzesnia/
    > Shalom my friend
    > rjj
    > Ps W zwiazku z problemami ktore poruszyles ...Nikt nie ma monopolu na
    > glupote wink))

    ===========================================================================

    Zebys wiedzial smile Hej bawcie sie dobrze !,... Z nadzieja ze ten nowy bedzie
    spokojniejszy ; Pozwolisz ze pozostane przy "swoim" kalendarzu ,... Zyje ponad
    pol wieku , tutaj jestem ponad cwierc ,... Latwiej kojarzyc smile Przy Twoim czuje
    sie jakos malo istotny , karlowacieje smile

    Kilka lat temu widzialem program w TV ,... Searching fo missing tribes czy
    cos pod podobnym tytulem ,... Badania genetyczne kilku grup na globie ;
    Shepardic z Marocco a szczegolnie grupe z jednej dzielnicy Casablanki ktorzy
    twierdza ze pochodza z lini Leviego oraz grupy wyznajace Judaizm (raczej
    wyznanie przypominajace tradycyjny Judaizm) w sercu Afryki , W Indiach i jesli
    sie nie myle w Afganistanie ,... Co sie okazalo wszystkie grupy mialy
    genetyczne powiazanie do stopnia ze nie bylo zadnych watpliwosci ze maja
    pokrewienstwo z grupa z Casablanca .

    Zapowiadali druga czesc tego programu ,... Badania nie zostaly ukonczone ,
    studenci i profesor (Cambridge) zostali aresztowani w Israelu , specimen
    skonfiskowano i zostali deportowani . 2-3 lata pozniej na ich web-site byla
    wzmianka ze dowody materialne wynikow badan zginely i caly project zostal
    uznany ze mial rasistowskie intencje ,... Wiesz cos wiecej na ten temat?
    Szukalem tego w arhiwach Public TV ktora to nadawala , ... Zginelo bez
    sladu smile W sumie ciekawa sprawa bo byli przedstawicielami odmiennych ras co
    sprowadzalo by sie do konkluzji sprzecznych z teoria Darwinizmu ,... Jeszcze
    jedna cegielka podpierajaca tradycyjna wiare w Stworce nigdy nie zaszkodzi .

    See Ya Again ?
  • 19.09.03, 02:01
    Casablanka ...Swietny film smile
    Nie slyszalem o tych badaniach ale postaram sie zebrac wiecej informacji...
    Nie masz powodu aby karlowaciec bo rozne sposoby mierzenia czasu nie maja
    najmniejszego zwiazku z samym czasem smile
    Na temat przez ciebie poruszany mam ciekawa interpretacje :

    Do Jews think they are God's favorite race?

    "Does Judaism believe that chosenness endows Jews with special rights in the
    way racist ideologies endow those born into the 'right race'? Not at all. The
    most famous verse in the Bible on the subject of chosenness says the precise
    opposite: 'You alone have I singled out of all the families of the earth. That
    is why I call you to account for all your iniquities' (Amos 3:2)."
    - Rabbi Joseph Telushkin, in Jewish Literacy. The Most Important Things to
    Know About the Jewish Religion, Its People, and Its History (New York: Morrow
    1991)




    What does 'chosen' mean then?

    Chosen People
    The Jews' belief that they are the Chosen People has often provoked antagonism
    from non­Jews. In the 1930s, as the Nazis were tightening the noose around the
    necks of German Jews, George Bernard Shaw remarked that if the Nazis would
    only realize how Jewish their notion of Aryan superiority was, they would drop
    it immediately. In 1973, in the aftermath of the Yom Kippur War, Yakov Malik,
    the Soviet ambassador to the United Nations, said: "The Zionists have come
    forward with the theory of the Chosen People, an absurd ideology. That is
    religious racism." Indeed, the most damaging antisemitic document in history,
    the forgery known as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, is based on the idea
    of an international conspiracy to rule the world by the "Chosen People."

    In light of these attacks, it is not surprising that some Jews have wanted to
    do away with the belief in Jewish chosenness. The most noted effort to do so
    was undertaken by Rabbi Mordecai Kaplan, founder of the small but influential
    Reconstructionist movement. Kaplan advocated dropping chosenness for two
    reasons: to undercut accusations of the sort made by Shaw that the Chosen
    People idea was the model for racist ideologies, and because it went against
    modern thinking to see the Jews as a divinely chosen people.

    But does it? After all, how did the notion of one God become known to the
    world? Through the Jews. And according to Jewish sources, that is the meaning
    of chosenness: to make God known to the world. As Rabbi Louis Jacobs has
    written: "We are not discussing a dogma incapable of verification, but the
    recognition of sober historical fact. The world owes to Israel the idea of the
    one God of righteousness and holiness. This is how God became known to
    mankind."

    Does Judaism believe that chosenness endows Jews with special rights in the
    way racist ideologies endow those born into the "right race"? Not at all. The
    most famous verse in the Bible on the subject of chosenness says the precise
    opposite: "You alone have I singled out of all the families of the earth. That
    is why I call you to account for all your iniquities" (Amos 3:2). Chosenness
    is so unconnected to any notion of race that Jews believe that the Messiah
    himself will descend from Ruth, a non­Jewish woman who converted to Judaism.

    Why were the Jews chosen? Because they are descendants of Abraham. And why
    were Abraham and his descendants given the task of making God known to the
    world? The Torah never tells us. What God does say in Deuteronomy, is that "it
    is not because you are numerous that God chose you, indeed you are the
    smallest of people" (7:7). Because of the Jews' small numbers, any success
    they would have in making God known to the world would presumably reflect upon
    the power of the idea of God. Had the Jews been a large nation with an
    outstanding army, their successes in making God known would have been
    attributed to their might and not to the truth of their ideas. After all, non­
    Muslims living in the Arab world were hardly impressed by the large numbers of
    people brought to Islam through the sword.

    The Chosen People idea is so powerful that other groups have appropriated it.
    Both Catholicism and Protestantism believe that God chose the Jews, but that
    two thousand years ago a new covenant was made with Christianity. During most
    of Christian history, and among Evangelical Christians to the present day,
    Christian chosenness meant that only Christians go to heaven while the non­
    chosen are either placed in limbo or are damned.

    Mohammed, likewise, didn't deny Abraham's chosenness. He simply claimed that
    Abraham was a Muslim, and he traced Islam's descent through the Jewish
    Patriarch.

    Nations, as well as religions, see themselves as special. When I visited
    China, I learned that the Chinese word for China means "center of the
    universe." Nineteenth­century and early twentieth­century Americans had a belief
    in their "manifest destiny" to rule the North American continent.

    Nonetheless, perhaps out of fear of sounding self­righteous or provoking
    antisemitism, Jews rarely speak about chosenness, and Maimonides did not list
    it as one of the Thirteen Principles of the Jewish Faith.

    from JSOURCE, referencing Joseph Telushkin. Jewish Literacy. NY: William
    Morrow and Co., 1991


    Whatever he may do - close his ears, swear that he hears nothing - the
    words: "I Am That I Am" remain imprinted on his soul. He has received a
    message. He can do what he likes with it. But he is a Jew by virtue of that
    message and of what he intends to do with it.
    - Francois Fejto, Dieu et son Juif ("God and His Jew"), Grasset, Paris

    www.yahoodi.com/peace/chosenness.html
    C U smile

    joeJ
  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas25.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 19.09.03, 03:22
    Sam kocept jako taki ani mnie ziebi ani parzy , ludzka ulomna natura troche
    kwestionuje , ot taki maly (niekoniecznie z premedytacja) bunt: Dlaczego Oni a
    nie ja ? Ale z kolei jak sobie pomysle ze z tym zaszczytem laczy sie obowiazek
    zycia przykladem na drodze prawdy ,... Znajac wlasne slabosci , to nie wydaje
    mi sie ze to az taki wspanialy interes smile Latwiej sie schowac w tlumie , co ?

    Ostatnio odbieram Cie jakbys podchodzil troche filozoficznie do tematow ,...
    Czytam Jednak uwaznie co chcesz przekazac i zastanawiam sie czy Ty w ogole , a
    jak juz , to kiedy spisz ? Skad nadajesz ?

    Ide pomachac troche ciezarkami bo troche dziadzieje za tym komputerem .

    Narazie my friend .
  • 19.09.03, 04:22
    To jest prostsze a jednoczesnie trudniejsze
    mozna oszukac wszystkich ale trudno siebie...

    czy mozna sie go pozbyc ? schowac w tlumie ?
    ___________________________________________________

    nadaje z 59 stopnia szerokosci a dlugosc pobytu
    w wirtualnosci moze miec niekorzystny wplyw
    na cialo...
    Na razie przyjacielu
    jj
  • Gość: sp;lit:) IP: *.nas25.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 20.09.03, 00:09
    rabin_joe_jerushalmi napisał:

    > To jest prostsze a jednoczesnie trudniejsze
    > mozna oszukac wszystkich ale trudno siebie...
    >
    > czy mozna sie go pozbyc ? schowac w tlumie ?
    > ___________________________________________________

    Znowu filozofujesz ,... Przyznaje racje ,... Ci to posiadaja ? Napewno nie !
    Powiedz mi , dlaczego czesto mysle o tym w nocy a tylko czasem w dzien ?

    ======================================================
    >
    > nadaje z 59 stopnia szerokosci a dlugosc pobytu
    > w wirtualnosci moze miec niekorzystny wplyw
    > na cialo...

    ======================================================

    Nie rozumiem dlaczego wodzisz mnie tak daleko na polnoc ? Piotrograd
    odpada , ... Stockholm ? Upsala ? Staram sie nie zagladac na mapy , korzystam z
    podstarzalej fotograficznej pamieci ,... Nic innego nie przychodzi mi do glowy ,
    nie wiem jednak jak wytlumaczyc godziny nadawania ,... Insomnia ? smile Biale
    noce ? ,... Hej uwazaj jakbys rzucal kamieniami , mozesz wibic szybe mojej
    mamie , prawie pol mojego zycia spedzilem w okolicach 56-go ,...

    Cieplo ??? smile

    Stay warm , my friend smile sp;litsmile

    > Na razie przyjacielu
    > jj
  • Gość: © IP: 81.16.169.* 22.09.03, 11:44
    ©
  • Gość: katolik IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 07.09.03, 21:16
    smacznego smile
  • 07.09.03, 21:33
    i 3ciom swiatynie odbudowac wirtualnie...
    ....co na to rabin Joe ?
    Mosze Rabejnu ?Rabin Sieradza ?
  • Gość: katolik IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 07.09.03, 22:08
    może z niego taki rabin jak z ciebie rosół ?smile
  • 07.09.03, 22:20
    Gość portalu: katolik napisał(a):

    > może z niego taki rabin jak z ciebie rosół ?smile

    Dla Pana Naszego Nic Nie Jest NieMozliwe wink))

  • Gość: katolik IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 07.09.03, 22:34
    nawet zamienić zupę grzybową w rosół ?smile
  • 07.09.03, 22:44
    Gość portalu: katolik napisał(a):

    > nawet zamienić zupę grzybową w rosół ?smile

    To trudne zadanie dla Pana ale przy pomocy programistow DNA

    mozna bedzie juz niedlugo spozywac grzyby a smaku kurczaku

    a nawet wieprzowiny ,czyli problem NieKoszernosci zostanie

    z Panska pomoca rozwiazany...wink))A i Buddysci tez beda zadowoleni..smile
  • Gość: katolik IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 07.09.03, 23:05
    czyli bedziecie mogli się obżerać koszerną wieprzowiną ?smile

    p.s.: juz wiem, czego tak naprawdę nam zazdrościciesmile
  • 07.09.03, 23:23
    Gość portalu: katolik napisał(a):

    > czyli bedziecie mogli się obżerać koszerną wieprzowiną ?smile
    >
    > p.s.: juz wiem, czego tak naprawdę nam zazdrościciesmile

    Ale pomysl o IRAKU ARABII SAUDYJSKIEJ jakie rynki zbytu na Mysliwka czy
    Krakowska z Koszernych Grzybow i nawrocic Synow Praojca Abrahama z Hebronu
    ktory z Panem 4000 lat temu na Grzyby chodzil../.tak sie to zaczelo.../na
    droge prawdy...
    PS Swinia to bardzo inteligentne zwierze,zamiast je zjadac trzeba dac im prace
    w zawodzie ktory odpowiada ich kwalifikacjom wink
  • 07.09.03, 23:53
    zupagrzybowa napisała:

    > PS Swinia to bardzo inteligentne zwierze,zamiast je zjadac trzeba dac im prace
    > w zawodzie ktory odpowiada ich kwalifikacjom wink

    smile Dobry tekst, w sam raz do sygnaturki.
  • 08.09.03, 00:16
    Wasc Amhu czy z Czestochowy ?
    Witamy Rabina Pollaka..wink))
  • 08.09.03, 00:28
    Jak tam po szabasie? wink


    PS. U nas coraz mniej młodych do synagogi uczęszcza a i kosher jeść nie
    chcą. Łobuzy... wink Jeszcze trochę to i w szabes będą uzdrawiać...


    Hevenu shalom alehem (tak to jakoś szło?) smile
  • 08.09.03, 00:47
    pollak napisał:

    > Jak tam po szabasie? wink
    >
    >
    > PS. U nas coraz mniej młodych do synagogi uczęszcza a i kosher jeść nie
    > chcą. Łobuzy... wink Jeszcze trochę to i w szabes będą uzdrawiać...
    >
    >
    > Hevenu shalom alehem (tak to jakoś szło?) smile

    Et tempora et mores...wink


    www.jewishworldreview.com/0598/holiness.ram

    Best wishes from New York...

    www.jewishworldreview.com/attitle.GIF
    Juz Miniam jest... moze wpadniesz na nabozenstwo w przyszla sobote ?

    Shalom Brother Pollak
  • 08.09.03, 01:06
    > Juz Miniam jest... moze wpadniesz na nabozenstwo w przyszla sobote ?

    W życiu......... w życiu nie byłem jeszcze w synagodze. smile Kiedyś pójdę
    zobaczyć.

    Jak rozumiem to Wam sie Nowy Rok zbliża? Jeśli tak to najlepszego.
  • 08.09.03, 01:23
    pollak napisał:

    >
    > W życiu......... w życiu nie byłem jeszcze w synagodze. smile Kiedyś pójdę
    > zobaczyć.
    >
    > Jak rozumiem to Wam sie Nowy Rok zbliża? Jeśli tak to najlepszego.

    Nowy Rok 5764 dla Nas Wszystkich Bez Wyjatkow wink

    ...nie byles w synagodze ...a juz jestes w Domu Pana

    zachowaj w pamieci: to Twoj Dom...

    Zycze Ci Pollak wszystkiego Najlepszego z okazji Naszego Nowego Roku

    5 7 6 4
    szalom
  • 08.09.03, 10:21
    zupagrzybowa napisała:

    > Zycze Ci Pollak wszystkiego Najlepszego z okazji Naszego Nowego Roku
    >
    > 5 7 6 4
    > szalom


    Dzięki. U nas to będzie 2004 (ale dopiero na przełomie grudnia i styczniawink)
  • 08.09.03, 11:03
    pollak napisał:

    > Dzięki. U nas to będzie 2004 (ale dopiero na przełomie grudnia i styczniawink)

    To też będzie wszystkich Nowy Rok, bez wyjątków wink
    Tak więc szykuj się, zupo, zaraz po świętach wink, na koniec grudnia jakieś
    fajerwerki itp. smile Znajdzie się trochę tych Nowych Roków w ciągu roku...
  • 08.09.03, 11:27
    pollak napisał:

    > pollak napisał:
    >
    > > Dzięki. U nas to będzie 2004 (ale dopiero na przełomie grudnia i stycznia;
    > ))
    >
    > To też będzie wszystkich Nowy Rok, bez wyjątków wink
    > Tak więc szykuj się, zupo, zaraz po świętach wink, na koniec grudnia jakieś
    > fajerwerki itp. smile Znajdzie się trochę tych Nowych Roków w ciągu roku...
    ....
    Dziekuje za zyczenia i NaWzajem

    individual.utoronto.ca/iizuka/research/cellophane.htm
  • 09.09.03, 01:46
    te fajerwerki 3d. wink

    Szczerze mówiąc wolę jakiegoś ASCIIART-a wink
  • 09.09.03, 11:39
    pollak napisał:

    > te fajerwerki 3d. wink
    >
    > Szczerze mówiąc wolę jakiegoś ASCIIART-a wink

    www.asciimation.co.nz/
    let force be with u!-)
    zg
  • 09.09.03, 22:42
    pollak napisał:

    > zupagrzybowa napisała:
    >
    > > let force be with u!-)
    > smile
    > the.sunnyspot.org/asciiart/gallery/starwars.html
    >
    >
    > Jest i Star-Trek:
    > the.sunnyspot.org/asciiart/gallery/startrek.html
    >
    > the.sunnyspot.org/asciiart/gallery/picard.html
    _________________________________________________________________________--

    Cieszy mnie iz lubisz asciiart, (tak jak sp. Vist)ale tu na FA jest to
    utrudnione ze wzgledu przesuniecia ktore nalezy uwzglednic...
    Na przyklad portret kapitana picarda (StarTrek) wyglada tak:

    Star Trek: Picard
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@#N@@@#N@@@#@@#NSO**: =:+""?"*?:
    #@@@N@#@##N@@@@#N#NNN@NSO/O"=+ .... +"""?*"""+.
    N@@@##@@8XIS/":+= -.. =+="OO"/"=
    . . = ====+"confused""??+ 8@@@@@@
    "/+ .?8N@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    ;8#@@@@@@@#@@8@@@@@N@@NN@@@##@#@
    ;@@@$@@@@@@@@@@#N#@NN@@@$8@@@$@@@#@N@NNNN@#
    confused*88N@@@@@@@#@@8 "@@@@@@@@NNNNNN#@#X#@@N@@@@@@##@
    ""/N88S#@@@@@@@@@@@@#@N@@N#@N8". '8@@@@$N#N$@@@NN@@@N#@@@##@@@
    8N#@88N@NX8NNNNNNNN#8N8N$NS- "@@@@NN#N@@##@@@@@@@@@@@
    8NNNN8NNNNNN#N#NN##NXSNN8' '. ;@@@@@@@#@@@@N@@@@N@@@
    N$NNNNNN###N#@N$$8888I? . --.++++ . .'?@@@@N@@@@#@@@@@@@@
    88NN88X#$$8N88N$8X$$I: +. ..+;::++::++' :@@@@@@NO;:
    88X$X88888X$X88SX8? .'-''+-=+:""""";:+ .
    XX888NN8N#NXX88XX" ..-+-++;;:'.+:=:;""""//""+
    888NNNNN@N8NNX: .' .+:=-:""""??";:;=;=;;"/?"/*/"==+'
    88II*:-+. -'..'+=:+:;"";"//?"?";;""??""?/*?":=++ ""*8@@@
    '.'' -. .''.:;;::;/?""//??""*///////"?/?""???":+ I@@@@@@@@@
    .-. . .--'''':;:::""""//////*//?/??"?//?:"":'+++ 8@@@@@@@@
    -? - . '' .'+::=::;?;?/////I**/////"?////?":;""?"=*@@@@@@@@
    ?.""""?" .. .'' -::=-::::"//?//****///*/"?//?///:=?*/O*;I@@@@@@@
    8@@@8X88$" . .--+-+confused?;?////****/*O*////*/*OO*""*SX*kiss@@@@@@#
    @@@@N8##/ ' .' . .-+:=confused//??/***///I*/////*/OOXIO*ISI::"#@N@@8
    N@@@#NX/ ' . ...'''+==confused*/////*II*////*I****SN8XX8XO";O@@@@NN
    NN@N8IO: ......'+:=://///*//////I*//**//X$N8XSI*:+"8@@@@8
    8X8SI?:. ''..-;;:::""///////////OI***/IXSIXXI**///8@@@@N
    SXII**" '' . . .'-+confused//";/?/?///?//**I//?*XIOXSI/??"ON@@@8
    IS88I/+ .'..'-+=:""""";??/?;;/*/"//?;/****OOO//??/O@@@@N
    SOIIS*: .'. '-=;""?";;????""/////*?""/*OO**O//""/X@@@@N
    SSXSIO" ...-:+=confused?";;"?/*//**/"//"";?;/O****/""*8@@@@N
    IIXII*; .-:;:;"??/?/??/?"?""??//;;"?/*//*I*?""*N@@@@N
    S8X*?O; ...-confused";"/?;;???/"??"?"";;;;"*OO?**I/?/ONN#@@X
    *SSO**" '.. ';??:-+===+:"????/""??=="";/IO//OO*?/8@@#@@X
    SIIOO" +:. .'-' .- '=-+:+-+=";=="???/?";?;;""";?/O*/*OOO/O8NNN@@8
    SOOIO" /*O?. .=: .: -+kissO/"*XOOO**/;=;?";;==?/""/II"?*???" ?@@@X
    XXSSII" *$@#S*"- .'+= ?: .//"OX88@@@@@@@$I?==:"::=;;;;?*8XO*OIX8/:+;*@@@
    XOSIS8/ '. .;O$8I*= .+- -/?+:IX8@@@@@@@@@N$$NX*"";:=="?:confusedXNX*O*//**X@$8@@X
    IIXSSS" -:=;"/";;:' =I$N8N#@@@N8/:-:;/*I$N88X/:==;""?/O$8I*///?"?IS8@@N
    SSX8SOO' ;@@@@@@@X:. :X@@@@N$N8IO:::;""/////XXXI;+:";="XNN//??////*O*@@@
    IX88IX; ;*:.;#@@II*= ?XX$8XN@@@@@@@@@@@@@@I==///??"=="/O8X""//;:"I8XS@@@
    XXXIXO: '=;//?";= '?*I8XSIS@@@@@@$N$?=:INN8X*?"?"++="OII"?/OI/?//*I@@@
    IXI/O; -+"";:='+. confused/OSOIX*X888X/"?""/I/?"////*/?:;"?/I*""X@@*;:=?$@@N
    IXIXO? '.'-. "?/OIIOOOX8$XO//?;;;;/?""?/"?""::;""/I/"/$@@I/:;O@@@
    SXOO*; confused?. confused/***/O?/IXXO*?:=;""??"???"//??";"";""??/8@$/;?@@@8
    OXSIO. .:/= '""*SI/*//??OIIIO:+;"";;=;"?"???";=+"""?//O$@I;/X@@@8
    SSSI/= ' .kissI*I*/"///""*XXO?""";:;??/""?//:=;/?"/XXI*/?/I$@@@$
    ISII/' =confused/*////"?//?"///*/?"=:=;"//???";;:;";?*I/??*OX$$$@8
    OXSX/; .confused//**/?///;;/*///?//*?;;/*/"??;;;"?";*II/??*IN8S8@N
    OIII*? '=///?/*//OO/:"?/"?"///?//////:"?;=;";=?//";/X@NX8NN8
    ISX//?+ .+ /?;///?///O8X*-.;/////*??*//?"/?";;;";";;"?"X$$SSX$NS
    OIII*O? ;: "///"??"??I@@X/;-+:;//**/////?;"";+::=?/?-=X@$SSXI8$8
    IXX***?' +O= =///O*/////?/*X$X?===?/*//////??/?":;"/X@@XXSOSSSS8N8I
    OOO**/*" "; ."?*XX8$X8@@@I'.=:"$@8;++:"//??//?/??;==;=:"X$XSSIISSSIXNX
    OOIOI*/" .. .?IXO/?/";:=confused"==XN/;+::;;??//??"?""+;:"*8NXIOOIOSIIX8X
    *OIO?/*/ ?O+.;*/"=;;"?;::/I/;;;;;:;??";?";+=::;/@$OIO*/OIOOXNI
    OOIO/??/ "" ;**"==;""";"?"";?";???;"??;?"==;??IN8XIO*OIIIS8NI
    /OOO/"?*' ;+ surprised*;=;;"?;;:;;;=:/?;;?????"":"::confusedXXIIIO**II**XNO
    //O*/?**: . ?*?;=;////?":=::;?";:""//?"";"";"/I8S*****II**8$O
    *O*/?*//"- +/88" .:=::''."I@$XXIIIIXXXI"+'+;;=="/?"""";":=""IX***I/?/O**OSX*
    /OOO/?//*" .:' +?/O88$88XIOIXI*//*XX?=':;";;//?;""""?"/*IX?*IOO*OII*I88O
    OIOO*/*OO*: -' '+"/*?**?"/*/;=""":"///??"////?8@@?"**//OIO*S88O
    *OIIOOI/*I/+ --'. .---kissSOI**//???///?";;;?**"/"?*//*8@@@X+./OOXIOOOXNI
    *OOI*/**O*/?. ';+*8NX**/ISI/?//";;?/?"?/*?;?/?//"///**@@@@$"+:/OIOOOSN8O
    *IIO*IIO**?*? '=-';:==;;"/IO////?"////?*/??//*////O*8@@@@@@NS":"*IOO8NNI
    /*I***ISO*"**: .. .-=://*/?*/?//?/?";;;"*///*//?*$@@@@@@@@@O++///OS88I
    /OXIO*OOII**I*+ '-="""??;;?/"/?//?"??/*/*/***I@@@@@@@@@@@@I:kiss**XNNI
    OOII***O*/**O?/+ .' -??:=;?"?"/////*IXI*/*X$@@@@@@@@@@@@@@O."OISX8NS
    OIISOOIISIOOOO*/; -"= .="//;?????/***IX8XS*OX@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@S++"/**OSN8
    O*OSIOOSO**IO***O" -;?? "/I/"//////*OX$8XXS$@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@"=""//"""/?
    OIIOOOOIS*//O*/?$@* -?"- =*OIX/*II*OX$XX8@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@""OISIOOOO?
    *OOO*??*OO8@@@@@@@@I' -:=++surprised#$XXX8XI8$8@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@X/OXOSSOO/SX
    *OO*SSXN@@@@@@@@@@@@@NI"O*OXN@@@@@@$$#@$N@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@XO""/ININ@#
    SSXXXX##@NN#@#@@OO@@@@#XOII" ;@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@O":surprised8@@@@@@
    S888XX##N$S$$N$*/O@@@@@@XIN@/ "@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@$=="N@@@@@@@@@
    OS8X8$NNNNNN#NNXXS+.I@@@@8O@@@++I@@NN@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@I+:I@@@@@@@@@@@
    OSXSISN#@@N@@@@#@@N" +N@@@@@@@@@#*X@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@"/$@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    O88#SO8NN@@@@@@@@@@#"+ ;@@@#@@@@O$@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@I*#@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    $88N$8$N88N@@@@@@@@@@@#N@@@@XX@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@#@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    NNN#88SX##8N@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@XI8N@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    pzdr
  • 10.09.03, 09:05
    zupagrzybowa napisała:

    > Cieszy mnie iz lubisz asciiart, (tak jak sp. Vist)

    Hehe, skąd to skojarzenie z Vistem?

    > ale tu na FA jest to
    > utrudnione ze wzgledu przesuniecia ktore nalezy uwzglednic...
    > Na przyklad portret kapitana picarda (StarTrek) wyglada tak:

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@#N@@@#N@@@#@@#NSO**:.......=:+""?"*?:
    #@@@N@#@##N@@@@#N#NNN@NSO/O"=+........+"""?*"""+.
    N@@@##@@8XIS/":+=.....-....=+="OO"/"=
    ....=.====+"confused""??+.....................................................8@@@@@@
    "/+...........................................................?8N@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    ...............................................;8#@@@@@@@#@@8@@@@@N@@NN@@@##@#@
    ....................................;@@@$@@@@@@@@@@#N#@NN@@@$8@@@$@@@#@N@NNNN@#
    .................confused*88N@@@@@@@#@@8............."@@@@@@@@NNNNNN#@#X#@@N@@@@@@##@
    ""/N88S#@@@@@@@@@@@@#@N@@N#@N8"...................'8@@@@$N#N$@@@NN@@@N#@@@##@@@
    8N#@88N@NX8NNNNNNNN#8N8N$NS-..........................."@@@@NN#N@@##@@@@@@@@@@@
    8NNNN8NNNNNN#N#NN##NXSNN8'......................'........;@@@@@@@#@@@@N@@@@N@@@
    N$NNNNNN###N#@N$$8888I?.......................--.++++......'?@@@@N@@@@#@@@@@@@@
    88NN88X#$$8N88N$8X$$I:......................+.....+;::++::++'.:@@@@@@NO;:
    88X$X88888X$X88SX8?........................'-''+-=+:""""";:+..
    XX888NN8N#NXX88XX"...................-+-++;;:'.+:=:;""""//""+
    888NNNNN@N8NNX:..............'..+:=-:""""??";:;=;=;;"/?"/*/"==+'
    88II*:-+...................-'..'+=:+:;"";"//?"?";;""??""?/*?":=++.......""*8@@@
    ................'.''...-....''.:;;::;/?""//??""*///////"?/?""???":+..I@@@@@@@@@
    .................-.........--'''':;:::""""//////*//?/??"?//?:"":'+++..8@@@@@@@@
    .............-?..-.........''..'+::=::;?;?/////I**/////"?////?":;""?"=*@@@@@@@@
    ....?.""""?"................''.-::=-::::"//?//****///*/"?//?///:=?*/O*;I@@@@@@@
    8@@@8X88$"......................--+-+confused?;?////****/*O*////*/*OO*""*SX*kiss@@@@@@#
    @@@@N8##/.....'.............'......-+:=confused//??/***///I*/////*/OOXIO*ISI::"#@N@@8
    N@@@#NX/.....'....................'''+==confused*/////*II*////*I****SN8XX8XO";O@@@@NN
    NN@N8IO:.............................'+:=://///*//////I*//**//X$N8XSI*:+"8@@@@8
    8X8SI?:.........................''..-;;:::""///////////OI***/IXSIXXI**///8@@@@N
    SXII**".....................''.......'-+confused//";/?/?///?//**I//?*XIOXSI/??"ON@@@8
    IS88I/+.........................'..'-+=:""""";??/?;;/*/"//?;/****OOO//??/O@@@@N
    SOIIS*:..........................'..'-=;""?";;????""/////*?""/*OO**O//""/X@@@@N
    SSXSIO".............................-:+=confused?";;"?/*//**/"//"";?;/O****/""*8@@@@N
    IIXII*;............................-:;:;"??/?/??/?"?""??//;;"?/*//*I*?""*N@@@@N
    S8X*?O;.............................-confused";"/?;;???/"??"?"";;;;"*OO?**I/?/ONN#@@X
    *SSO**".......................'....';??:-+===+:"????/""??=="";/IO//OO*?/8@@#@@X
    SIIOO".....+:..........'-'....-..'=-+:+-+=";=="???/?";?;;""";?/O*/*OOO/O8NNN@@8
    SOOIO"..../*O?..........=:....:...-+kissO/"*XOOO**/;=;?";;==?/""/II"?*???"..?@@@X
    XXSSII"...*$@#S*"-.....'+=...?:..//"OX88@@@@@@@$I?==:"::=;;;;?*8XO*OIX8/:+;*@@@
    XOSIS8/...'...;O$8I*=...+-..-/?+:IX8@@@@@@@@@N$$NX*"";:=="?:confusedXNX*O*//**X@$8@@X
    IIXSSS"........-:=;"/";;:'..=I$N8N#@@@N8/:-:;/*I$N88X/:==;""?/O$8I*///?"?IS8@@N
    SSX8SOO'...;@@@@@@@X:.......:X@@@@N$N8IO:::;""/////XXXI;+:";="XNN//??////*O*@@@
    IX88IX;...;*:.;#@@II*=......?XX$8XN@@@@@@@@@@@@@@I==///??"=="/O8X""//;:"I8XS@@@
    XXXIXO:......'=;//?";=.....'?*I8XSIS@@@@@@$N$?=:INN8X*?"?"++="OII"?/OI/?//*I@@@
    IXI/O;.......-+"";:='+.....confused/OSOIX*X888X/"?""/I/?"////*/?:;"?/I*""X@@*;:=?$@@N
    IXIXO?...........'.'-......"?/OIIOOOX8$XO//?;;;;/?""?/"?""::;""/I/"/$@@I/:;O@@@
    SXOO*;...........confused?.......confused/***/O?/IXXO*?:=;""??"???"//??";"";""??/8@$/;?@@@8
    OXSIO...........:/=.......'""*SI/*//??OIIIO:+;"";;=;"?"???";=+"""?//O$@I;/X@@@8
    SSSI/=.........'...........kissI*I*/"///""*XXO?""";:;??/""?//:=;/?"/XXI*/?/I$@@@$
    ISII/'....................=confused/*////"?//?"///*/?"=:=;"//???";;:;";?*I/??*OX$$$@8
    OXSX/;.....................confused//**/?///;;/*///?//*?;;/*/"??;;;"?";*II/??*IN8S8@N
    OIII*?....................'=///?/*//OO/:"?/"?"///?//////:"?;=;";=?//";/X@NX8NN8
    ISX//?+............+....../?;///?///O8X*-.;/////*??*//?"/?";;;";";;"?"X$$SSX$NS
    OIII*O?...........;:......"///"??"??I@@X/;-+:;//**/////?;"";+::=?/?-=X@$SSXI8$8
    IXX***?'........+O=......=///O*/////?/*X$X?===?/*//////??/?":;"/X@@XXSOSSSS8N8I
    OOO**/*"........";...."?*XX8$X8@@@I'.=:"$@8;++:"//??//?/??;==;=:"X$XSSIISSSIXNX
    OOIOI*/".................?IXO/?/";:=confused"==XN/;+::;;??//??"?""+;:"*8NXIOOIOSIIX8X
    *OIO?/*/..................?O+.;*/"=;;"?;::/I/;;;;;:;??";?";+=::;/@$OIO*/OIOOXNI
    OOIO/??/..................""..;**"==;""";"?"";?";???;"??;?"==;??IN8XIO*OIIIS8NI
    /OOO/"?*'.................;+..surprised*;=;;"?;;:;;;=:/?;;?????"":"::confusedXXIIIO**II**XNO
    //O*/?**:.....................?*?;=;////?":=::;?";:""//?"";"";"/I8S*****II**8$O
    *O*/?*//"-....+/88"..:=::''."I@$XXIIIIXXXI"+'+;;=="/?"""";":=""IX***I/?/O**OSX*
    /OOO/?//*".....:'.....+?/O88$88XIOIXI*//*XX?=':;";;//?;""""?"/*IX?*IOO*OII*I88O
    OIOO*/*OO*:...............-'...'+"/*?**?"/*/;=""":"///??"////?8@@?"**//OIO*S88O
    *OIIOOI/*I/+.........--'...---kissSOI**//???///?";;;?**"/"?*//*8@@@X+./OOXIOOOXNI
    *OOI*/**O*/?.........';+*8NX**/ISI/?//";;?/?"?/*?;?/?//"///**@@@@$"+:/OIOOOSN8O
    *IIO*IIO**?*?........'=-';:==;;"/IO////?"////?*/??//*////O*8@@@@@@NS":"*IOO8NNI
    /*I***ISO*"**:..............-=://*/?*/?//?/?";;;"*///*//?*$@@@@@@@@@O++///OS88I
    /OXIO*OOII**I*+............'-="""??;;?/"/?//?"??/*/*/***I@@@@@@@@@@@@I:kiss**XNNI
    OOII***O*/**O?/+............'..-??:=;?"?"/////*IXI*/*X$@@@@@@@@@@@@@@O."OISX8NS
    OIISOOIISIOOOO*/;........-"=...="//;?????/***IX8XS*OX@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@S++"/**OSN8
    O*OSIOOSO**IO***O"......-;??..."/I/"//////*OX$8XXS$@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@"=""//"""/?
    OIIOOOOIS*//O*/?$@*.....-?"-..=*OIX/*II*OX$XX8@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@""OISIOOOO?
    *OOO*??*OO8@@@@@@@@I'....-:=++surprised#$XXX8XI8$8@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@X/OXOSSOO/SX
    *OO*SSXN@@@@@@@@@@@@@NI"O*OXN@@@@@@$$#@$N@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@XO""/ININ@#
    SSXXXX##@NN#@#@@OO@@@@#XOII"..;@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@O":surprised8@@@@@@
    S888XX##N$S$$N$*/O@@@@@@XIN@/..."@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@$=="N@@@@@@@@@
    OS8X8$NNNNNN#NNXXS+.I@@@@8O@@@++I@@NN@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@I+:I@@@@@@@@@@@
    OSXSISN#@@N@@@@#@@N"..+N@@@@@@@@@#*X@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@"/$@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    O88#SO8NN@@@@@@@@@@#"+..;@@@#@@@@O$@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@I*#@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    $88N$8$N88N@@@@@@@@@@@#N@@@@XX@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@#@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    NNN#88SX##8N@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@XI8N@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    @@@N$$$#N$8NN@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@$@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

  • 10.09.03, 09:07
    nie dość że wycina znaki białe (nadmiarowe), to jeszcze czcionka nie jest
    stałej szerokości. Ale kiedyś z rozmowy adminów wynikało, że mają dorobić taki
    ficzer, że każdy sobie wybierze czcionkę (stała szerokość czy nie). Poczekamy
    zobaczymy.
  • 10.09.03, 11:32
    pollak napisał:

    > nie dość że wycina znaki białe (nadmiarowe), to jeszcze czcionka nie jest
    > stałej szerokości. Ale kiedyś z rozmowy adminów wynikało, że mają dorobić
    taki
    > ficzer, że każdy sobie wybierze czcionkę (stała szerokość czy nie).
    Poczekamy
    > zobaczymy.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Temu mozna (w aktualnej sytuacji) zapobiec poprzez wyliczenie roznicy (miedzy
    kopia ascii a rezultatem wklejenia) i wkalkulowanie roznicy do kopii
    tak aby efekt zostal osiagniety... ale komu to sie chce..wink

    To co mnie bardzo dziwi i irytuje to ze w rubryce temat nie mozna obecnie
    uzywac czcionek pewnych innych alfabetow i znakow specjalnych chociaz BYLO TO
    MOZLIWE 2 lata temu...Michnika wiedza techniczna skonczyla sie widocznie na
    magnetofonach crying((

    Pozdrawiam






  • 10.09.03, 20:23
    zupagrzybowa napisała:

    > Temu mozna (w aktualnej sytuacji) zapobiec poprzez wyliczenie roznicy (miedzy
    > kopia ascii a rezultatem wklejenia) i wkalkulowanie roznicy do kopii
    > tak aby efekt zostal osiagniety... ale komu to sie chce..wink

    Spróbuj, może w Perlu wink

    > To co mnie bardzo dziwi i irytuje to ze w rubryce temat nie mozna obecnie
    > uzywac czcionek pewnych innych alfabetow i znakow specjalnych chociaz BYLO TO
    > MOZLIWE 2 lata temu...Michnika wiedza techniczna skonczyla sie widocznie na
    > magnetofonach crying((

    Oj, niekorzystnych zmian zaszło tu dużo więcej. Nad ominięciem niektórych z
    nich pracuję powoli... wink
  • 16.09.03, 02:21

    > Spróbuj, może w Perlu wink

    ......Spróbuje przekonac do tego Perle wink))




  • 20.09.03, 23:04
    zupagrzybowa napisała:

    >
    > > Spróbuj, może w Perlu wink
    >
    > ......Spróbuje przekonac do tego Perle wink))

    To proste, spróbuj przekonać do tego Perli (też tu pisze) wink
  • 20.09.03, 23:18
    to kompletna potrojna schitzoofrenia
    kto tu jest kto ?
    czy ja nie jestem kims innym ?
  • 20.09.03, 23:24
    drf napisał:

    > to kompletna potrojna schitzoofrenia
    > kto tu jest kto ?
    > czy ja nie jestem kims innym ?

    Jesteś drfową wkładką do zupy grzybowej wink


    O więcej szczegółów trzeba by się spytać rabbiego. Może zawołajmy go
    razem wink
  • Gość: * IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 20.09.03, 23:33
    sa widocznie w kazdym z nas rozne role teatralne ?
  • 20.09.03, 23:37
    Gość portalu: * napisał(a):

    > sa widocznie w kazdym z nas rozne role teatralne ?

    No ja tam się na roli nie znam. Ani na teatralnej ani na ugorze.
  • Gość: * IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 20.09.03, 23:57
    pollak napisał:

    > Gość portalu: * napisał(a):
    >
    > > sa widocznie w kazdym z nas rozne role teatralne ?
    >
    > No ja tam się na roli nie znam. Ani na teatralnej ani na ugorze.


    agorze chciales powiedziec wink

    oracze czy oracje ?

  • 10.09.03, 17:03
    Dual Citizenship for
    The Jews of India
    Strengthening Ties Between India and Israel

    I have been working on a proposal which recognizes the fact that world Jewry,
    while in the main staunchly in favor of the existence of the State of Israel,
    remain loyal to the country of their birth and feel very much a part of the
    host culture, comfortable speaking the languages of their, and enjoy the
    indigenous customs. The purpose of the proposal is to develop a balance
    between the time that Jews spend in the Diaspora, and the time they spend in
    Israel such that we are all benefited on personal and international levels.
    Currently, Jews can only assume Israeli citizenship on Israeli soil and can
    only vote if they are in Israel (recently the one exception to this law has
    been extended to the Israeli diplomatic community). I should like to see the
    laws amended such that all Jews be given Israeli citizenship in return for a
    specified amounts of time that they commit themselves to be in Israel - lets
    say three to five years out of every ten. While Israeli citizenship, according
    to my proposal, can be granted before a Jews spends time in Israel, voting
    privileges will be granted only after the specified amount of time has been
    spent in Israel, thus ensuring reasoned voting decisions and feeling how
    voting decisions impact on everyday life. Having once been acquired, voting
    privileges are to remain in force, no matter where the citizen of Israel is
    domicile at any given time.

    I recommend that tax shekels be made available to all Israelis to be able to
    live part of their lives in Israel and part of their lives outside Israel in
    order to widen their vistas. The time spend outside Israel may be spent on
    business ventures that are mutually advantageous to Israel and the host
    culture, education and research which will benefit all concerned, co-operative
    cultural projects and so on.

    From the above brief discussion it can be inferred that the program allows for
    the gradual wearing away of the artifice we call "borders". The problem of
    the "State" of Israel will be solved by making the borders softer and more
    permeable, less static, as Israel becomes the spiritual center of world Jewry
    where we come to regenerate our Soul, while the world is our place of work,
    learning, cultural enrichment and play.

    Returning to the question that was posed to me as to how this proposal relates
    to the Jews of India specifically: India as a whole is characterized by a
    profusion of cultures which have been integrated into the country over
    millennia, mostly quite successfully and peacefully, and which contribute to a
    uniquely rich cultural awareness and sophistication. India is a very ancient
    society and has learned much from the various Peoples it calls indigenous.
    Israel can benefit from that knowledge. India and Israel share much of the
    same easy familiarity in everyday social intercourse, sometimes we both suffer
    from being a bit too familiar with one another. Like India, Israel is
    struggling trying to maintain its balance between our spiritual/moral heritage
    as we are thrust headlong into the world marketplace. Israel and India can
    share a great deal of spiritual wisdom as it applies to a prosperous society.
    It is easy to be spiritual when we lack - but wealth is a far greater
    spiritual test than is poverty. We can lend one another spiritual/moral
    support as both of our countries are confronted with growing wealth and
    technology.

    During the ten years that we lived in Arad, in the northern Negev, it was my
    privilege to become acquainted with a number of Jews who are originally from
    India. They have their own synagogue in Arad. It was a pleasure to go there to
    pray on the Sabbath day and see that on the Sabbath day the women wear saris.
    They don't wear saris during the week, having adopted Western dress. This
    indicates to me that the Jews of India consider the sari not only festive and
    esthetic, but appropriate dress for the holiest day of the Jewish week. It was
    a pleasure to see that much of the written material on the walls in the
    synagogue is in Hindi. I understand this to mean that it is important to the
    Israeli community who hail from India to retain not only the ability to speak,
    read and write Hindi, but the weltanshauung of the language as well. Most of
    all it was a very great pleasure to see that among the Indian congregation
    there were a number of new arrivals from Ethiopia who had been welcomed into
    the prayer quorum and had found a comfortable place to pray there. It is very
    typical of people from India to accept "outsiders" and make them feel wanted
    and at home. Moreover, the Jews from India speak only well of their former
    homeland and travel back to visit as much as their finances allow. Unlike Jews
    who fled to Israel as a refuge, the Jews from India never felt persecuted and
    came here out of Zionist sentiment only. The Jews who came to Israel from
    India came not to escape an unfriendly or even hostile Diaspora, but to build
    the country.

    The Dalai Lama has visited Israel many times and has sent young priests here
    to learn how to survive a Diaspora. Those youngsters have been very well
    received and integrated here in Israel. That precious connection with India
    and Tibet should be preserved and nurtured.

    It would be a great pity if the cultural and societal treasures that the Jews
    of India gathered during their long sojourn in India would be lost after a
    generation or two of assimilation into Israeli society. By allowing all Jews
    to acquire Israeli citizenship, even if they live in the country of their
    birth most of their lives, and by Israel allocating tax shekels for the
    purpose of allowing Israelis to travel back and forth for periods of time, we
    will be "pollenating" our cultures mutually with spiritual/moral wisdom,
    cultural variety as well as brass tacks business and technological know-how.

    It is for the above reasons that I think it is imperative for the Jews of
    India to retain their ties with India, even while becoming more aware of their
    heritage and ties to the Land of Israel.

    The above is the viewpoint of someone outside the Indian Jewish communities.
    Ultimately, each Diaspora Jewish community will have to decide for itself how
    to implement my general proposal in ways that address their specific
    situations and needs.

    – Doreen Bell-Dotan
    August 25, 2002

    Top



    www.boloji.com/outlook/053.htm
    --
    z_w_p
  • Gość: *©*©* IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 10.09.03, 17:52
    "Teach thy tongue to say I do not know and thou shalt progress."...Maimonides.
  • Gość: Z cyklu ...................... znane przysłowia - Gosc w dom IP: *.Bog.w.dom / *.jeleniag.sdi.tpnet.pl 10.09.03, 18:46
    wink
  • Gość: perli IP: *.rato.net / 192.168.1.* 10.09.03, 18:50
  • 10.09.03, 20:24
  • Gość: titus_flavius IP: *.gdynia.mm.pl 10.09.03, 22:33
    Ave,

    Muzułmanin powinien odprawiać modlitwę rytualną pięć razy dziennie: o świcie
    salat as-subh lub salat al-fadżir, w południe salat az-zuhr, po południu salat
    al-asr, o zachodzie słońca salat al-maghrib i w nocy salat al-isza. Przed
    odprawieniem modlitwy wierny powinien się "oczyścić": myje sobie twarz, ręce i
    przedramiona do łokci, następnie prawą rękę zamoczoną w wodzie przesuwa sobie po
    głowie, potem myje jeszcze nogi. Kiedy brakuje wody, można zastąpić ją piaskiem.
    Modlący się ma być zwrócony twarzą w kierunku Mekki. Kiedy modli się poza
    meczetem, powinien posłużyć się "dywanikiem modlitewnym" (sadżdżada) lub czymś
    zastępczym. Przed rozpoczęciem modlitwy należy wymówić intencję. Modlitwie
    towarzyszą też ustalone rytualne gesty. Do pięciokrotnej modlitwy w ciągu dnia
    zawsze wzywa muzułmanin z minaretu, który wznosi się na jednym z rogów meczetu.
    Poza tą obowiązkową modlitwą istnieją jeszcze inne, dobrowolne, z których
    najbardziej znana jest "modlitwa nocna" (salat al-lajl), będąca odpowiednikiem
    czuwania w chrześcijaństwie. Są też modlitwy polegające na różnych prośbach.
    Ważna jest też modlitwa za zmarłych (salat ala al-majjit, salat al-dżanadza) i
    jest ona obowiązkiem każdego wiernego. Wspólna modlitwa w meczecie jest
    obowiązkowa w piątki (jest to dzień świąteczny w islamie). W meczecie kobiety
    stają zawsze z tyłu za mężczyznami.

    T.
  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas34.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 10.09.03, 23:05
    Ja kiedys chcialem byc pilotem ,... Czy to grzech ? A teraz serio ; Czytalem
    kiedys ze beduini jak ich zmusza warunki myja sie moczem wielblada , ... Jak to
    wyglada w kontekscie z obrzadkiem mycia przed modlitwa , ktory opisujesz u
    gory ? Ja , (przynajmiej tak mi sie wydaje) widze kontradycje ,...
  • Gość: titus_flavius IP: *.gdynia.mm.pl 10.09.03, 23:44
    Ave,

    Pilot latającego dywanu: to ceniony i popularny zawód. Mówi sie nawet: "Przed
    dywanu pilotem burki leżą pokotem"

    T.
  • Gość: A.D. IP: *.mco.bellsouth.net 10.09.03, 23:09
    >> Potrzebny jest mi dobry pies. Do rozplodu, bowiem suka rasy Akita Inu
    wlasnie sie cieka i na pytanie z ktorym z psow chcialaby sie sprzac, lapa
    napisala na piasku - z rebe... Czy ze wzgledu na wysoka inteligencje tej suki,
    rebe joe nie zechcialby zrobic dobrego uczynku i podrasowac nieco nastepne
    pokolenie szczeniakow?

    >>Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry
    a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a
    Jewish priest.

    >> Moja Akita miala juz stosunek z sasiedzkim psem, wiec sadze ze sie bedzie
    wspaniale kwalifikowac dla szan. rebe joe. Coz pozyteczniejszego, anizeli
    glodne pier*dolenia na tym forum, prawda?
  • Gość: sp;lit IP: *.nas34.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net 10.09.03, 23:23
    To juz troche ponizej pasa i bez smaku , nie uwazasz ? Czasem masz
    przeblyski i brzmisz nawet nie glupio , ... Powinienes przeprosic !
  • Gość: A.D. IP: *.mco.bellsouth.net 10.09.03, 23:52
    Gość portalu: sp;lit napisał(a):

    > To juz troche ponizej pasa i bez smaku , nie uwazasz ? Czasem masz
    > przeblyski i brzmisz nawet nie glupio , ... Powinienes przeprosic !


    >> Juz przeprosilem. Poglaskalem Akite po glowie i ze zrozumieniem pokiwala
    ogonem. Rasowa, wiec gardzi jednak byle chazarskim kundlem....
  • 10.09.03, 23:56
    ty jesteś tym serdelecznym przyjacielem Krzysia52?

    Hehehe, to wiele wyjaśnia. Chociaż szczerze mówiąc, jak używasz sobie po
    katolikach, to jesteś bardziej zabawny. Może to dlatego, że masz obok
    siebie Mendę52....
  • 11.09.03, 12:10
    Jezeli morderca Anny Lind nie zostanie zlapany odrodzi sie trauma jak po
    smierci Olofa Palme...Goran Persson zdecydowal sie na kontynuacje referendum
    "zadnych ustepstw w obliczu przemocy..." Jutro jest wielka demonstracja
    w calej Szwecji przeciwko przemocy za demokracje i otwarte spoleczenstwo...
  • 13.09.03, 17:28
    Legal Studies Forum
    Volume 25, Number 1 & 2 (2001)
    reprinted by permission Legal Studies Forum
    BURAK

    LOWELL B. KOMIE

    I RIDE THE COMMUTER TRAIN daily into Chicago to my office on Michigan Avenue,
    which is the main boulevard of Chicago. Michigan Avenue is lined with
    beautiful shops and high rise towers and rimmed by a park and Lake Michigan.
    From my office window I can see the reflection of the Lake and ribbons of
    traffic on the glass panels of the new building across the street. It’s an
    ivory-panelled tower, a white cylinder built by a Chicago firm and French
    consortium, it has a beveled roof with wiper blades that clean the glass
    panels. It looks like a mammoth modern chess piece, a Queen with wiper blades
    or a giant robot with a beveled forehead.
    It’s now winter in Chicago. People are bundled up in quilted coats and
    boots and their breaths leave plumes in the air as I watch them from the train
    window. Chicago is very gray in winter, but this morning I see a man in a red
    cap in a scrap yard playing with a dog. I also passed some children in red
    snowsuits holding hands on their way to school.
    I’ve been reading John Updike’s Bech Is Back. The main character is a
    blocked author, Martin Bech, who has recently married a second time after
    several years of being divorced. He takes his wife to Israel on a honeymoon
    and in Jerusalem they walk along the Via Dolorosa and also visit the Dome of
    the Rock where a piece of the peak of Mount Moriah is preserved. Mount Moriah
    is the mountain from which Muhammad ascended to visit heaven. Their guide
    pointed to several indentations on the peak and told Bech that the
    indentations were from the footsteps of the horse Burak on which Muhammad
    ascended to heaven. I never knew Muhammad rode to visit heaven on a horse, let
    alone that the horse’s name was Burak. It’s a piece of information that has
    been floating in my mind for the last two days and I can’t get it out. It’s
    like a loose luminous chip.
    Yesterday I told a woman lawyer friend and associate about Burak and she
    just ignored me. We’d been in the Bankruptcy Court and after losing a
    contested motion we looked for a place to have a cup of coffee. She and her
    husband just returned from visiting his parents in Fort Lauderdale. They’d
    left their young child with his parents and had taken off for the Keys for a
    few days alone. She was still slightly tanned and hadn’t yet acclimated
    herself to Chicago. So she shivered as she told me that lawyers aren’t
    interested in hearing about Burak. The important thing about a lawyer’s life
    should be “freedom,” she said, staring moodily out the window at the bundled
    figures trudging by in the slush.
    "Like in the mornings, Bill really sweats getting to his firm by nine. He
    just doesn’t want to get in after any of the partners. Me, I work for myself,
    so I don’t really care. If I have something to do, I’ll get to the

    [165]


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -

    office. If I don’t, I take my time.” She sipped her coffee and stared out the
    window. “This is a great place, isn’t it? You can just sit here hidden and
    watch people go by. I used to come here between classes at law school.”
    She is right, of course, a solo practitioner is relatively free. But
    you’re never really free from the pressures of money or the demands of
    clients; the freedom really is a relative concept. If you’re worried about
    paying your office rent, you’re hardly in the mood to debate the relativity of
    freedom. Also, if you have become tyrannized by irrational clients, you’re not
    on your way to becoming a Philosopher King.
    Last night I switched from Updike to Isak Dinesen, the great Danish
    writer who wrote mostly about her life in Africa. She wrote that birds are
    really closest to God and unlike people occasionally brush wings with angels.
    I was at a concert last week at the Public Library across the street. On
    Wednesdays, they have free concerts, mostly young artists on tour who are
    passing through Chicago. I heard the pianist Jeremy Menuhin playing Schubert.
    All through the concert waves of pigeons flew outside against the tall
    windows. Had I read Dinesen’s speculation I would have closely watched the
    phalanxes of birds for the angels. I didn’t see any, but the music and the
    flights of birds past the windows almost sometime in rhythm were a marvelous
    mixture. After answering the phone all morning it really calmed me.
    I try to spend my lunch hours doing interesting things. Chicago has a
    great array of ethnic restaurants and shops. Just this week I’ve already eaten
    in a Polish restaurant and a Syrian place. After the Polish lunch my friend
    insisted on taking me across the street where two women were tailoring
    sheepskin coats in a tiny shop. The women were very shy and barely spoke
    English. I tried on a beautiful brown suede coat lined with sheepskin with a
    gray fur collar. I looked like a minister of the Czar right out of Gogol. My
    friend wanted to buy the coat for me as a gift. It was $300. I’ve known him
    for over 50 years, we went to grade school together, and he really meant that
    he wanted to give me the coat as a gift. I didn’t accept his gift. Perhaps I
    should have. Probably, subconsciously, I was afraid to walk around downtown in
    such a marvelous strange coat. The shop was full of steam from hissing irons
    and the women wore men’s trousers under their dresses and looked at us sadly
    when we left empty-handed.
    My life as a lawyer isn’t all concerts and exotic restaurants. I’m
    working on this piece today in a cab on the way to a client conference.
    Crosstown traffic is paralyzed. I have just broken out of the crush of
    thousands of commuters at Union Station. I was able to break away for a moment
    for a cup of coffee. I could barely get through the crowd into the cafeteria.
    People are very angry on the way to work. Mouths set,

    [166]


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -

    unsmiling, the workers are much younger than I, in their 20’s and 30’s.
    They’re all caught up in our obsession with time, work and order. There are
    clocks everywhere in the station blinking out the time, 8:37, 8:42, 8:39, they
    all give different times. I look for lawyer friends in the crowd. I see a man
    I know. He’s older now, and bent over from arthritis and walks slowly behind
    the crowd of young workers. The clock on the face of the Wrigley Building is
    exactly at 9:00 as I arrive at my office.
    I like the way the sunlight in my office touches upon the walls. I have a
    rather eclectic collection of things in my office. A pyramid of marbles my
    daughter made, a pencil can made of painted popsicle sticks, a wooden Viking
    soldier with a gray beard of fluff. I have a stereo and in the late afternoons
    I often listen to classical music, usually to wind the day down, but often to
    drown out the angry voice of the lawyer in the office next to me. I have
    several paintings, one of a bird in flight, a vivid blue painting, an abstract
    bird. In the morning light the blue is very fresh. I have a fern plant and a
    tiny portable fan. When I turn the fan on, its breeze comes at me through the
    softness of the fern. I also have a portrait of our three children and a
    snapshot of my wife with our dog on her lap. The snapshot of my wife rests
    against a seashell. I have lots of novels and other books in my bookshelf, but
    I seldom read them in my office. I have been a lawyer for 37 years. I have my
    diploma and my license framed on the wall.
  • 13.09.03, 17:31
    When I began as a young lawyer I was sent to a family friend who supposedly
    might offer me a job. Instead of a job, he gave me some advice: “Save your
    money, kid.” When I took the Bar, the lawyer who addressed us at the induction
    ceremony gave us this advice: “Nothing is more important than your health.”
    Another friend of my father’s gave me a $20 gold piece when I sent out my
    announcements: “Never spend it,” he told me. Within two weeks I had pawned it
    to pay my office bills.
    Now, many years later, I have learned about Burak, that he was a winged
    horse with a human face and that Muhammad, accompanied by the Angel Gabriel,
    rode Burak to heaven to visit God and Christ and then returned to Earth. I
    have also learned that I should not have pawned the $20 gold piece. It wasn’t
    really necessary.

    [167]


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -


    “Burak,” first published in Donna M. Killoughey (ed.), Survival Guide for Solo
    Lawyers 13 (Economics of Law Section, American Bar Association, 1984),
    republished by the Japanese Federation of Bar Associations under the
    title, “Following Burak’s Footsteps: The Elusive Quality of Life”wink and
    collected in The Lawyer’s Chambers and Other Stories, pp. 129-132].
    Lowell B. Komie © [1994]

    www.law.utexas.edu/lpop/etext/lsf/komie25burak.htm
  • Gość: <©> IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 14.09.03, 00:49
    MOHAMMED'S ASCENSION

    In the year 621, at the age of 51 years old, in a dream, flew on the magical
    Winged-Horse of Fire which he called Burak, which literaly means White Horse
    but seen as "Thunder-Lightning". The full version of this most memorable dream
    has been preserved in "The Bokhari" (Vol.15, p.3615) one of the Holy Islamic
    Scriptures. The beauty of the Muslim Scriptures resides in the fact that they
    still remain in the language in which they have originally written.

    The story of the Ascension of Mohammed, known as "Miraj", or "Stairway to
    Heaven" began when Mohammed fell asleep on a carpet at his cousin's place and
    became the inspirational source of different "Stories of the 1001 Nights of
    Arabia" involving "Magic Carpet Rides". The following is a resume of this
    fabulous dream....

    " Mohammad had gone to rest at dusk. He slept deeply on the carpet of his
    cousin, Mutem ibn Adi. Suddenly, the silence was broken and a voice as clear
    as a trumpet called :

    " Awake, thou sleeper, awake!" And Mohammed saw in front of him, dazzling in
    darkness the shining Archangel Gabriel who was inviting him to follow him
    outside. Before the door stood a Horse as dazzling as Gabriel. It had wings,
    glittering wings of an immense eagle. Gabriel presented the Horse to Mohammed,
    saying that it was "Burak" the Horse of Abraham. Burak whinnied and allowed
    Mohammed to vault on its back.

    Then, drinking the wind, it galloped to the street and as it came to the walls
    of the sleeping city, it spread its wings and soared into the starry night.

    First of all, they went to the summit of Mount Sinai, at the very place where
    Jehovah had given the stone tables to Moses. Then, they flew on and went to
    Bethlehem at the exact place where Jesus was born. And finally, depending on
    the different versions, they went to Heaven, or into a Holy Temple in Heaven,
    where Mohammed met with many of the Holy Land's previous Horsemen... Adam,
    Noah, Enoch (apparently, known by them as Idris), Moses, Isaac, Elijah, Jesus
    and a few others!! (A most interesting case of Transfiguration).

    And these guys spoke and told him : " We salute you, you the first and the
    last, O Gatherer of men." ...and Gabriel added : " We salute you, O you the
    first, because you will be the first person who, on Resurrection Day, will
    come out of his grave ; and the last, because you are the Sceal and the last
    prophet. You are a gatherer of men in the meaning that it belongs to you
    gather everyone for the resurrection and as such the whole community will
    resurrect."

    So, this is basically, the dream...Some parts were taken from "The Messenger,
    the Life of Mohammed" by R.V.C. Bodley, Greenwood press, N.Y., 1946 while the
    last paragraph comes from "Apocalypses et Voyages dans L'Au-Delà" by Angelo
    Piemontese.

    Anyway, Mohammed was a very intelligent guy who loved discussing about dreams
    and interpreting them and became very frustrated about the Christian Church's
    strange attitude in regards to dreams and was able to condense his whole
    knowledge in only a few lines.....

    " Now Allah has created the dream not only as a means of guidance and
    instruction, I refer to the true dream, but he has made it as a window on the
    World of the Unseen."...which is basically the repetition of Job 33,15 plus a
    few details.

    " He who does not believe in the True Dream does not believe in Allah and in
    the Day of Reckoning." ....which is basicaly Numbers 12,6.

    "There are above you Watchers." Noble Koran 82:10

    " Glory be to Him, who carried his Servant by Night from the sacred temple of
    Mecca to the Temple that is more remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that
    we might show him of our signs, for He is the Hearer and the Seer" (Qur'an
    17,1)

    This is very interesting, because he clearly states here that all the Glory
    goes to Him, the Winged-Horse, who carried his Servant, and truly that is the
    case the Rider must serve the Horse which is truly the Hearer and the Seer,
    which is Allah, the Creator. And finally in the stories concerning his return,
    his future resurrection which should occur at a time will be a real wasteland,
    he will be told as he will come out of his grave.

    " It is the Day of Rising, and the Day of Anguish and Repentance.
    This is the Day of Burak!
    This is the of Reckoning and Recompense.
    This is the Day of Parting ;
    This is the Day of Encounter! "

    So, the Day of Rising is the Day of the Winged-Horse, which no one will ride
    except the Prophet.

    " You will see every nation hobbling on their knees, every nation being
    summoned to its (own) book - today you shall be recompensed for what you were
    doing!" (Qur'an 45,28)

    Actually, Mohammed could have resumed his few lines in only one, something
    like this..

    " He who does not believe in the true dream of the Winged-Horse, does not
    believe in the Holy Spirit of God, does not believe in God, nor in any of his
    Horsemen, whether Buddha, Mohammed, Moses, Jesus and all others, nor in the
    Day of Resurrection and Recognition, nor in the existence of the everlasting
    spiritual Kingdom of God, and will be left alone."

    Anyway, if you get an opportunity to see the beautiful and most famous
    painting of the Ascension of Mohammed on the Horse of Fire from the
    manuscript "Khamset al-Nizami", British Museum Orient Ms.# 2265, you will note
    that Mohammed is shown faceless and along with the following words....

    " Glory be to Him who carried his Servant by Night from the sacred temple of
    Mecca to the Temple that is more remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that
    we might show him of our signs, for He is the Hearer and the Seer" (Qur'an
    17,1)

    ....which shows that it fits to all the Riders of the Divine Winged-Horse go
    along with the Surah 70, 1 - 4

    " The Ascending Stairways, revealed at Mecca, in the name of Allah, the
    Beneficent , the Merciful."
    1. A questioner questioned about the doom to fall
    2. Upon the disbelievers, which none can repel,
    3. From Allah the Lord of the Ascending Stairways
    4. The Angel and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty
    thousand years.

    There is also something about the Return of Mohammed as the Imam Mahdi, and in
    regards to the Resurrection of Mohammed it is written that when Mohammed, (who
    flew a magical Winged-Horse in a dream in the year 621 of this era), will come
    again, that Allah will revive the Winged-Horse and that this Flying Horse,
    along with 4 or 5 Archangels, will be charged of finding him on Earth which
    will be like a Waste-Land and they will not know where he will be.

    So, they say that the Light of the Resurrected Mohammed, peace be upon him,
    will appear like a shaft from his grave to the "Clouds of the Sky!"

    Then it will call out...

    "O Pleasing Soul! Stand up for rendering the Decree and the Reckoning and the
    Presentation before the Merciful!"

    So, the grave will spit open and Gabriel will give him a Robe of Honour
    (Spiritual Ghost Body) and give him "Burak", the Winged-Horse, and will say...

    "This is the Day of Rising, the Day of Resurection, the Day of Encounter, the
    Day of Burak, the Day of the Winged-Horse"!!!

    And so, Burak, the Winged-Horse, who has 2 wings and flies between Heaven and
    Earth at speed of lightning will be very agitated and will say...

    "No one rides me except the Prophet and Possessor of the Koran"

    ... to the new Incarnation of Mohammed who will reply...

    "Now my heart is pleased and I am happy."

    And the story says that he will be given a crown and will ride Burak and will
    go to Heaven, and that a cry will be heard...

    " Raise your head, Rider of the Winged-Horse, as it is the Day of Reckoning
    and of Recompense. Raise your head and ask, and it will be given!"

    "Your Lord shall give you, and you will be satisfied." (Koran 93,5)

    Howe
  • Gość: Cadyk IP: *.antlabs.com / 203.116.61.* 18.09.03, 04:44
    Wiadomość została usunięta ze względu na złamanie prawa lub regulaminu.
  • 18.09.03, 13:29
    Panie Cadyk prezentuje pan wersje historii ktora sie w pale nie miesci...
    ...mloda republika Rad ? obojniactwo ?Chaim Zylbersztajn ? Cadyk z Gory
    Kalwarii? Homoseksualizm ? Wspolpraca z Gestapo ? ...

    Wydaje sie jednak iz te oskarzenia z panskiej strony nie sa potwierdzone przez
    zadne fakty gdyz fakt obojniactwa wyklucza mozliwosc zostania papiezem zgodnie
    z regulami obowiazujacymi w watykanie....

    Z oficjalnej strony watykanskiej :
    During the Nazi occupation Karol clandestinely pursued both his studies and
    his acting while working as a stonecutter to support himself and to hold the
    work permit he needed to avoid deportation or imprisonment. Karol Wojtyla was
    active in the UNIA, a Christian democratic underground organization. B'nai
    B'rith and other authorities have testified that he helped Jews find refuge
    from the Nazis.

    http://www.zpub.com/un/pope/unpope-bio.html

    http://www.vatican.va/

    His Holiness: John Paul II and the Hidden History of Our Time
    Authors: Carl Bernstein, Marco Politi
    This book written by veteran reporters Carl Bernstein and Marco Politi asserts
    that the fall of Communism was the direct result of a covert confederation
    between the United States government and the Vatican. Citing meetings between
    Pope John Paul II and high officials in the Reagan administration, they point
    to a "secret alliance" as the tipping factor in the collapse of Communism. The
    evidence cited in the book ranges from American diplomatic cables to formerly-
    secret Soviet Politburo minutes. Their conclusions are controversial, but "His
    Holiness" provides an insightful look at the connections between governments,
    the Catholic Church and the Solidarity movement in the Pope's native Poland.

    ............

    z innych zrodel tez znajduje :

    Naked Without Shame: Karol Wojtyla's Cure for Cancer


    By Christopher West
    What if we could find a cure for a sickness that affects the whole world?



    Catholic Channel - Christianity.com -

    From everyday unkindness to shocking atrocities, human beings often seem to be
    diseased in the way they treat each other. At the same time, it appears almost
    impossible for us to solve these problems, or even find the roots of all the
    problems. John Paul II tells us that not only is this possible, but there is
    really one root, and one surprising cure: learning and living the truth of our
    sexuality.



    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -

    Naked Without Shame is a regularly featured column exploring the meaning of
    sexuality, life, and the Christian mystery through John Paul’s Theology of the
    Body. Karol Wojtyla’s Cure for Cancer is the fifth in a series of articles
    devoted to this topic.


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -



    It’s often the case that men and women who have seen a loved one die of
    cancer, or who have suffered with it themselves, become the most outspoken
    advocates of research for a cure. They might even devote their own lives to
    the medical sciences with the explicit goal of sparing others from what they
    experienced themselves.

    Karol Wojtyla is just such a man. He experienced first-hand the deepest
    horrors of a century riddled with a most vile “cancer.” His beloved Poland was
    invaded by the Nazis when he was nineteen. Death was all around him. The
    stench of the burning bodies of his friends and countrymen hovered in the air
    from nearby Auschwitz. He would have been sent there, too, or shot on the
    spot, had his clandestine seminary studies been discovered.

    Six years later, when the Red Army left Poland, in marched another
    totalitarian power. As a young man Wojtyla mounted a cultural resistance to
    Communism that would continue throughout his life as priest, bishop, cardinal,
    and pontiff.


    The Root of it All

    John Paul II is such a champion of human life, dignity, and freedom precisely
    because of the crucible of death, degradation, and tyranny in which he was
    formed. The horror of his world forced him to wrestle with God in search of
    answers to the hardest of life’s questions. How? Why? What could lead Man who
    is bestowed with God-like dignity to drink from the dregs of raw evil?

    He was not interested in surface solutions. He wanted to go to the root of it
    all. He wanted to find the first event in the chain reaction that led humanity
    here. He wanted to find the cure for this heinous cancer. But the cancer he
    knew so well wasn’t in the lungs or the bones. It was in the human heart. So
    he devoted himself not to the medical sciences, but the philosophical and
    theological.

    So where, have you guessed, has his “research” led him? What, in his mind, is
    the first event in the chain reaction that begets all evil and death? It’s our
    rejection of God’s plan for life and love stamped in our sexuality.

    Our sexuality reveals that we’re called to image God in a life-giving
    communion of love. And this “is the deepest substratum of human ethics and
    culture” (General Audience, October 22, 1980). This is the root of it all.
    John Paul concludes that human life, its dignity and its balance, depends at
    every moment of history and at every point on the globe on the proper ordering
    of love between the sexes (see October 10, 1980).

    http://www.christianity.com/partner/Article_Display_Page/0,,PTID5339%7CCHID27%
    7CCIID150340,00.html


    Jezeli chodzi o Zylbersztajnow :

    http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-
    8&q=Chaim+Zylbersztajn&btnG=Google+Search

    Cadyk :
    Żydzi z Góry Kalwarii
    Henryk Prajs


    Skąd wzięli się Żydzi w Górze Kalwarii? Wedle siedemnastowiecznej chasydzkiej
    legendy pierwszym, który chciał zamieszkać w Górze Kalwarii mimo zakazu i
    niechęci do Żydów, był Baal Szem Tow. By ominąć zakaz, nocował w pobliskim
    Czersku. Ponoć kamień, przy którym zatrzymał się, przetrwał do dziś. W Górze
    Kalwarii nie tolerowano Żydów i nie pozwalano się im osiedlać. Sytuację
    odmienił rząd pruski, który w 1802 roku zniósł feudalne przywileje grodów.
    Natychmiast liczba mieszkańców Góry Kalwarii zaczęła się zwiększać. Żydzi
    przybywali głównie z pobliskich wsi. Do 1817 r. osiedliły się w mieście 332
    osoby, a w 1825 było ich już dwa razy więcej. Katolicy powoli zaczęli stawać
    się mniejszością.

    Pierwsi żydowscy osadnicy mieszkali w wynajętych pokojach. Podnajmowali też
    pomieszczenia na warsztaty, bóżnicę, jak również na chedery. Dopiero kupiec
    Aron Kleyn w 1806 r. wybudował sobie, jako pierwszy, dom przy Rynku.

    Żydzi w Górze Kalwarii niechętnie widziani byli w mieście przez miejscową
    społeczność, a w szczególności przez zakonników, sklepikarzy, karczmarzy i
    rzemieślników. Napływowa ludność wyznania mojżeszowego odbierała im klientów.
    Oczywiście, inaczej myślano w magistracie, gdzie na Żydów patrzono przez
    pryzmat podatków wpływających do kasy miejskiej. Na początku XIX wieku tysiące
    żydowskich pielgrzymów stały się manną z nieba dla Góry Kalwarii - każdy
    zasilił miejską kasę.

    Społeczność chrześcijańska Góry Kalwarii broniła się wszystkimi sposobami
    przed konkurencją gospodarczą ze strony przybyszów. Aby prowadzić jakąkolwiek
    działalność zarobkową Żydzi musieli wykupić koncesję, której cena na
    przestrzeni lat 1814-1825 wzrosła dziesięciokrotnie.

    Główną przyczyną sporów stały się zyski z produkcji i sprzedaży trunków. Do
    Prokuratury Generalnej stale docierały liczne petycje, podpisywane przez
    chrześcijan. Żądali w nich od Księcia Namiestnika Królewskiego, aby zabronił
    Żydom fabrykacji trunków i prowadzenia szynków, jak to się stało w Grójcu.
    Władze miasta nie zawsze przychylnie ustosunkowywały się do powyższych żądań,
    gdyż Żydzi znacząco zasilali miejską kasę. Dzięki przybywającym do Góry
    Kalwarii Żydom miasto znacznie się ożyw
  • 18.09.03, 13:36
    Dzięki przybywającym do Góry Kalwarii Żydom miasto znacznie się ożywiło.
    Rozwinęli oni rzemiosło i handel. Zawiązując kontrakt z Radą Miejską, Hersz
    Birenbaum i Judka Goldberg dokończyli budowę ratusza. Żydzi wybudowali też
    Sukiennice wzdłuż ulicy 3 Maja, które przetrwały do dnia dzisiejszego. Stale
    przeprowadzali remonty ulic i urządzeń miejskich, wznosili nowe budynki,
    kreując wygląd i atmosferę miasta. Góra Kalwaria stała się znanym ośrodkiem
    żydowskiego kultu religijnego.

    * * *

    Cadyk - ostoja świata, jego dusza, jego życie; pośrednik między ludem a
    Bogiem. Wśród coraz bardziej popularnych chasydów rozwinęła się potrzeba
    posiadania silnego, charyzmatycznego przywódcy - cadyka. To on nauczał,
    rozsądzał zarówno sprawy religijne jak i życiowe. Godność cadyka była często
    dziedziczona z ojca na syna. Założycielem dynastii cadyków z Góry Kalwarii był
    Icchok Mejer Alter, zwany Gerer Rebe, w skrócie "Ger", a przez chasydów -
    Chidesz - Arym. Przybył do Góry Kalwarii w 1859 roku z Warszawy. Początkowo
    dochody przynosił mu skład sukna (założony przez bogatego teścia) w Warszawie.
    Po zdobyciu sławy, budżet Altera zasilali również hojnymi darami jego
    zwolennicy. Cadyk Gerer Rebe zyskał dużą popularność wśród Żydów. Rzesze
    pielgrzymów oblegały ulice Góry Kalwarii, zwłaszcza podczas świąt. Podziwiano
    niezwykłe zdolności umysłowe cadyka, który słynął także z prawości i
    łagodności charakteru. Alter zmarł w 1866 roku. Społeczność żydowska długo
    wspominała swego cadyka, a wielu nowo narodzonym chłopcom nadawano jego imię.

    * * *

    Następcą Gerer Rebe został jego nie mniej wybitny wnuk Arie Lejb zwany "Swas -
    Emes". To za jego czasów rozpoczęto w Górze Kalwarii budowę marmurowej
    bóżnicy. Jeszcze za jego życia swoje rządy rozpoczął jego pierworodny syn.
    Abram Mordechaj Alter, najsłynniejszy cadyk z Góry Kalwarii. Gdziekolwiek się
    pojawiał, towarzyszyły mu tłumy. W Polsce miał ponad sto tysięcy zwolenników.
    Pielgrzymi przybywali do niego także z krańców Kongresówki, Galicji, Austrii,
    Węgier i innych krajów.

    Pozwolę sobie przytoczyć relację z pielgrzymki do Góry Kalwarii z 1924 roku
    niemieckiego pisarza Alfreda Döblina: "Po południu pielgrzymi cisną się do
    wielkiego stołu cadyka. Tłok przy tym taki, jak na przedpołudniowej audiencji,
    a nawet gorszy. Wielki stół zostaje wniesiony do hali. Niektórzy dużo
    wcześniej wczołgają się pod stół, żeby potem stać blisko świętego. Cadyk
    zasiada z synami i dostojnymi gośćmi. Cała reszta stoi dookoła. Przy jedzeniu
    cadyk tłumaczy objaśnienia Talmudu i Torę, podaje nowe wykładnie. Wyznawcy
    obserwują jego i gości, śledzą jego ruchy, podchwytują i tłumaczą sobie
    nawzajem każde jego słowo. Najbardziej pożądane są "szyraim", resztki z misy
    cadyka. Biją się o nie. Czasem cadyk sam daje komuś kęs ze swojej miski".

    Nieoficjalnie mówiło się, że cadyk Abram Mordechaj Alter był udziałowcem
    kolejki wąskotorowej z Warszawy do Góry Kalwarii, nazywanej przez Żydów "Rebes
    kolejka". Powodem decyzji o budowie kolejki niewątpliwie były częste
    pielgrzymki do siedziby cadyka oraz potrzeba połączenia stolicy z cegielniami
    w Baniosze. Książę Stefan Lubomirski i hrabia Tomasz Zamojski chętnie więc
    wyłożyli pieniądze na budowę linii, gdyż widzieli w tym dobry interes. Cadyk
    miał ogromny wpływ na swoich sympatyków. Raz zdarzyło się, że gdy jechał
    kolejką do Warszawy, ktoś rzucił kamieniem w zajmowany przez niego wagon.
    Cadyk nie zareagował. Dopiero po powrocie opowiedział o incydencie swoim
    zwolennikom. Pielgrzymi w imię protestu postanowili więcej kolejką nie
    jeździć. Dopiero gdy do Góry Kalwarii przybył wysokiej rangi urzędnik i
    przeprosił cadyka, wagony znów zapełniły się pielgrzymami.

    Abram Mordechaj Alter był zapalonym bibliofilem. Niestety, jego unikalna
    biblioteka została zrabowana przez hitlerowców.

    Dwór cadyka stał się w latach międzywojennych nie tylko jednym z ważniejszych
    ośrodków religijnych w Polsce i Europie, ale także żydowskim centrum
    politycznym i społecznym, ostoją religijnego konserwatyzmu. Zaraz po wybuchu
    wojny, Alter z dwoma synami trafił do Warszawy. Przez pewien czas ukrywał się
    w warsztacie szewskim. Dzięki pomocy urzędnika ambasady włoskiej i grupy
    działaczy żydowskich przedostał się do Palestyny. W warszawskim getcie gestapo
    wywiesiło plakaty oferując wysoką nagrodę za jego głowę. Nikt jednak nie ważył
    się go wydać. Abram Mordehaj Alter zmarł w 1948 roku w swej kupionej jeszcze
    przed wojną posiadłości w Jerozolimie.

    Z jego pozostałych przy życiu zwolenników utworzył się w Izraelu dwór. Jego
    naczelną postacią był najstarszy syn Abrama: Byjnem. Dziedzic tradycji -
    Pynches Menachem (najmłodszy syn Abrama) na początku lat siedemdziesiątych
    odwiedził Górę Kalwarię.

    * * *

    Przed wojną, w 1939 roku, w Górze Kalwarii mieszkało 3300-3800 Żydów. Wkrótce
    po wkroczeniu do miasta Niemców, wojenny burmistrz Ewald Jauke zabronił Żydom
    uprawiania handlu, rzemiosła, hodowli gołębi, a także słuchania radia i
    utrzymywania kontaktów z ludnością polską. Codziennie, niezależnie od pogody,
    pod ratuszem musiało się stawić stu mężczyzn do pracy. Wielu młodym Żydom
    udało się uciec z miasta. Chowali się po wsiach, albo w nadwiślańskich
    zaroślach. Wiosną 1940 r. hitlerowcy zwieźli do miasta około 400 Żydów z
    Łodzi, Pabianic, Aleksandrowa i Sierpca. W czerwcu tego roku z rewiru
    żydowskiego utworzono getto. Porządku w nim strzegli funkcjonariusze
    żydowskiej policji. Później podzielili los reszty wysiedlonych i trafili do
    Treblinki. Żydom nakazano noszenie gwiazdy Dawida. Nie wolno im było opuszczać
    getta. Getto zlikwidowano w dniach 25-26 lutego 1941 roku.

    Tak zakończył się los trzech tysięcy Żydów z Góry Kalwarii. Zginęli w komorach
    gazowych obozu w Treblince. Wojenną pożogę przeżyło według różnych ocen około
    30-40 Żydów.

    Ja przetrwałem wojnę w ukryciu. 22 lutego 1941 roku uciekłem z getta w Górze
    Kalwarii. Przeżyłem dzięki pomocy dobrych ludzi i mojej przyszłej teściowej
    Halinie Wasilewskiej, która pojechała ze mną nocą do znajomego księdza w
    Osiecku. Duchowny wydał mi metrykę urodzenia na nazwisko Feliks Żołądek, na
    podstawie której mogłem wyrobić sobie kennkartę. Tak przetrwałem wojnę... sam
    jeden z całej rodziny. Straciłem wszystkich, 35 osób.


    free.ngo.pl/wort/archiv/02-0708/menu_02_04.html
  • 20.09.03, 22:32
    rabin_joe_jeruszalmi jest moim pacjetem
    wystepuje tu na forum jako jewhater i kazik z otwocka znany jeko misio
    88 i dziesiatki innych postaci

    ma wielokrotne rodwojenie i roztrojenie jazni
    po przejsciu mojej terapii zostal rabinem tej synagogi
    napewno mu to pomoze w rozwijaniu swych ko(s)micznych
    uzdolnien i wyleczeniu z ciezkiej choroby

    za konsulium
    drf

  • 20.09.03, 22:47
    drf napisał:

    > rabin_joe_jeruszalmi jest moim pacjetem wystepuje tu na forum jako jewhater i
    > kazik z otwocka znany jeko misio 88 i dziesiatki innych postaci
    >
    > ma wielokrotne rodwojenie i roztrojenie jazni po przejsciu mojej terapii
    > zostal rabinem tej synagogi napewno mu to pomoze w rozwijaniu swych
    > ko(s)micznych uzdolnien i wyleczeniu z ciezkiej choroby
    >
    > za konsulium drf


    A co powiesz na temat niejakiego obiektywnego vel Szczerego logującego się jako
    panna.zuzanna, antoni.goczal, telewizja.trwam, niezlomny.prawicowiec i
    dziesiątki innych (ten sam, przed którym ostrzegłem kogoś że dyskutuje nie z
    wieloma osobami a jednym psychopatą, lata z mordą że pollak to Józef Zawadzki)?
    Pytam jako fachowca. wink


    No dobra, zdradzę jeden sekret. A wiesz za kim lata tutaj jewhater? Za wojem vel
    pulsem vel .... To on ich napędza i prowokuje. Ogólnie mamy tego typu walk tutaj
    dość.


  • Gość: <©> IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 20.09.03, 23:38
    drf napisał:

    > rabin_joe_jeruszalmi jest moim pacjetem wystepuje tu na forum jako jewhater i
    > kazik z otwocka znany jeko misio 88 i dziesiatki innych postaci
    >
    > ma wielokrotne rodwojenie i roztrojenie jazni po przejsciu mojej terapii
    > zostal rabinem tej synagogi napewno mu to pomoze w rozwijaniu swych
    > ko(s)micznych uzdolnien i wyleczeniu z ciezkiej choroby
    >
    > za konsulium drf


    A co powiesz na temat niejakiego obiektywnego vel Szczerego logującego się jako
    panna.zuzanna, antoni.goczal, telewizja.trwam, niezlomny.prawicowiec i
    dziesiątki innych (ten sam, przed którym ostrzegłem kogoś że dyskutuje nie z
    wieloma osobami a jednym psychopatą, lata z mordą że pollak to Józef Zawadzki)?
    Pytam jako fachowca. wink


    No dobra, zdradzę jeden sekret. A wiesz za kim lata tutaj jewhater? Za wojem
    vel
    pulsem vel .... To on ich napędza i prowokuje. Ogólnie mamy tego typu walk
    tutaj
    dość.
    __________________________________________________________

    rodzaj teatru ? tylko kto to rezyseruje ?-)
  • ze wzgledu na reJmont

    posada raBina waKantna


    --
    ©
  • GLOWNY RABIN RP
    חםק חקרודזשךצן
    --
    ©
  • 26.09.03, 11:44
    2500 = 2.2.2.5.5.5
    350 = 2.5.5.7
    30 = 2.3.5
    2 = 2
    --------------------------
    5764 = 2.2.2.2.2.2.2.3.5.5.5.5.5.5.7

Popularne wątki

Nie pamiętasz hasła lub ?

Zapamiętaj mnie

Nie masz jeszcze konta? Zarejestruj się

Nakarm Pajacyka
Agora S.A. - wydawca portalu Gazeta.pl nie ponosi odpowiedzialności za treść wypowiedzi zamieszczanych przez użytkowników Forum. Osoby zamieszczające wypowiedzi naruszające prawo lub prawem chronione dobra osób trzecich mogą ponieść z tego tytułu odpowiedzialność karną lub cywilną. Regulamin.