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24.02.18, 16:15
Niestety nie znalazłem po polsku ale zakładam, że światli rezydenci tego forum język posiedli w stopniu umożliwiającym zrozumienie. Jak nie to pomoge (jak to Polak antysemita :).

The Germans also fomented discord between Jews and Poles by waging a propaganda war and by instigating and directing a series of attacks on Jews (culminating in the so-called Passover pogrom) by paid hoodlums, who spontaneously appeared on the streets in February and March 1940. The Germans photographed these incidents while German soldiers stood by or, on occasion, joined in on the assaults. They then doctored the prints to show German soldiers defending Jews against the Polish mob.5
5 Yisrael Gutman, The Jews of Warsaw, 1939–1943: Ghetto, Underground, Revolt (Bloomington, Indiana: Indiana University Press, 1982), 27–29. A

Emanuel Ringelblum, the chronicler of the Warsaw ghetto, notes in an entry in his diaries dated December 31, 1940, that priests in all of the Warsaw churches exhorted their parishioners to bury any prejudice against Jews and beware of the poison of Jew-hatred spread by the common enemy, the Germans.12

Emanuel Ringelblum, chronicler of the Warsaw ghetto:
[Second half of 1940]:
I have heard of many facts of Polish customers sending parcels of food to Jewish merchants in the Łódź ghetto … I heard many moving stories about that … Such facts were also noted in the Warsaw ghetto … On the first day (after the closing of the ghetto), very many Poles brought food to their Jewish friends and acquaintances: this is a general and widespread initiative. … Anybody who has the possibility comes to the ghetto and brings food articles at the same price as that outside the ghetto. … For the moment food is introduced (into the ghetto) with the help of Polish friends.

[July 11, 1941]: This was a widespread phenomenon a month ago. Hundreds of beggars, including women and children, smuggled themselves out of the Ghetto to beg on the Other Side, where they were well received, well fed, and often given food to take back to the Ghetto. Although universally recognized as Jews from the Ghetto, perhaps they were given alms for that very reason. Ringelblum also noted the attitude of Poles who encountered Jews outside the ghetto: On Nalewki Street the Christians warn the Jews of a press gang approaching by shouting the air-raid warning signals … Everybody who appears in the street is warned that They [the Germans] are seizing Jews in such and such a place. Christians pass the word along to Jews that They are beating Jews. … These are very frequent occurrences, where Christians take the side of Jews against attacks by hoodlums.

We began to march through the Polish quarter, walking along Zelazna [Żelazna] and Chlodna [Chłodna] Streets. It was close to 6:00 A.M.; the trolleys were running, and the glances of the passing Polish passengers at us were not mocking and ridiculing but earnest and even full of sympathy. … Many of the detainees collapsed due to physical weakness, and we were beaten by the Germans in uniform. … Among the Poles we passed, we saw obvious expressions of pity on their faces, especially among the workers.16

16 Shimon Huberband, Kiddush Hashem: Jewish Religious and Cultural Life in Poland During the Holocaust (Hoboken, New Jersey: Ktav Publishing House, and Yeshiva University Press, 1987), 72–73.

Sermons have been preached in all the churches urging Christians to forget their misunderstandings with the Jews. On the contrary, the Jews are to be pitied because they are immured behind the walls. Christians were not to allow themselves to be agitated by the enemy, who was trying to sow hatred among peoples.17

17 Kazimierz Iranek-Osmecki, He Who Saves One Life (New York: Crown Publishers, 1971), 125, 126; Richard C. Lukas, The Forgotten Holocaust: The Poles under German Occupation, 1939–1944 (Lexington: The University Press of Kentucky, 1986), 141–42; Jacob Sloan, ed., The Journal of Emmanuel Ringelblum (New York: Schocken, 1974), 66, 68, 117

Ringelblum noted that the Germans were doing all they could to drive a wedge between Poles and Jews and that German anti-Semitic propaganda was intensifying. Nevertheless, every Sunday afternoon a Jewish symphony orchestra would play on the border of the ghetto. Crowds of Poles would come to listen and collect money for the Jewish musicians. Every half-hour Poles would leave and alow other listners to take their place. The crowds would remain right up to curfew.18

Yisrael Gutman, historian at Yad Vashem: The Polish heads of the Main Welfare Council took the terrible situation of the Jews into account in their distribution of aid.19

19 Israel Gutman, “Warsaw” in Walter Laqueur, ed., The Holocaust Encyclopedia (New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 2001), 686.

Władysław Szpilman, an accomplished pianist who lived in the Warsaw ghetto: However, the feeding of the ghetto did not depend solely on such smuggling [by Jewish children and professional smugglers]. The sacks and parcels smuggled over the walls mostly contained gifts from the Polish community to the poorest Jews.20

that's the beggining

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    • srul Re: Żydzi o polskich antysemitach - protoPiSowcac 24.02.18, 16:52
      Czyżby pogrom lokalnej forumowej diaspory był spowodowany długą drogą do translatora google english> hebrajski, względnie english>jidish?

      "O bezpiece mozna wszystkie glupstwa powiedziec ale przeciez nie zrobila by takiego bledu by mnie podwozic czy cos - przeciez natychmiast bym sie zdekonspirowal"

      Lech Wałęsa
    • rzewuski1 Re: Żydzi o polskich antysemitach - protoPiSowcac 24.02.18, 18:51
      Tak, PiS należy się order Sprawiedliwy Wśród Narodów Świata.
      To najbardziej pro-żydowska grupa w Europie albo nawet na świecie, Kaczysnki to tak naprawdę Kalkstein o czym każdy wie kto interesuje się tematem.
      Obecny konflikt to kłótnia w rodzinie , wiadome jest ze Żydzi miedzy sobą często się kloca i wyzywają od najgorszych.

      Nie ma takich bredni, w które ludzie nie byliby w stanie uwierzyć.
      Stanisław Lem
      • srul Re: Żydzi o polskich antysemitach - protoPiSowcac 24.02.18, 19:14
        Masz rację. Też uważam że to żydożercy i antysemici. Ale chytrze sie maskują żydofilską frazeologią. Jak ich przodkowie z faszystowskiej II RP. Niestety antysemicko nastawiony moderator nie pozwala na zamieszczenie dalszego ciągu. A na piechtę nie będę wpisywał.

        "O bezpiece mozna wszystkie glupstwa powiedziec ale przeciez nie zrobila by takiego bledu by mnie podwozic czy cos - przeciez natychmiast bym sie zdekonspirowal"

        Lech Wałęsa
        • srul Re: Żydzi o polskich antysemitach - protoPiSowcac 24.02.18, 19:40
          A może choć kawałeczek...
          Abraham Lewin, another Jewish resident of the ghetto:

          Many Jews consider that the influence of the war and the terrible blows that the country and all its inhabitants—Jews and Poles—have absorbed from the hand of the Germans has greatly changed relations between Poles and Jews, and the majority of Poles have been gripped by philo-Semitic feelings. Those who hold this opinion base their point of view on a considerable number of incidents that illustrate how from the very first months of the war the Poles showed, and continue to show, pity and kindness to Jews who were destitute, especially towards beggar-children. I have heard many stories of Jews who fled Warsaw on that momentous day, 6 September 1939, and were given shelter, hospitality and food by Polish peasants who did not ask for any payment for their help. It is also known that our children who go begging and appear in their tens and hundreds in the Christian streets are given generous amounts of bread and potatoes and from this they manage to feed themselves and their families in the ghetto. This is what those who take a bright view think. … I personally incline to the first view. I see Polish-Jewish relations in a bright light.
          [June 7, 1942]:
          Today at one o’clock midday an 18-year-old Polish youth was shot at the entrance to the ghetto next to 9 Przejazd Street. He was about to climb over to the Jewish side on some smuggling errand. A [German] gendarme approached, saw him, and as quick as lightning fired once. The boy fell to the ground dead on the Jewish side. At three he was still lying there.
          [July 29, 1942]:
          A Christian woman on Leszno Street, seeing the wagons with those who have been rounded up [during the great deportation of the summer of 1942], curses the Germans. She presents her chest and is shot. On Nowy Świat a Christian woman stands defiantly, kneels on the pavement and prays to God to turn his sword against the executioners—she had seen how a [German] gendarme killed a Jewish boy.24

          24 Abraham Lewin, A Cup of Tears: A Diary of the Warsaw Ghetto (Oxford and New York: Basil Black in association with the Institute for Polish-Jewish Studies, Oxford, 1988), 44, 124–25, 141

          "O bezpiece mozna wszystkie glupstwa powiedziec ale przeciez nie zrobila by takiego bledu by mnie podwozic czy cos - przeciez natychmiast bym sie zdekonspirowal"

          Lech Wałęsa
      • xystos Re: Polish Holocaust 24.02.18, 21:08
        Nie mamy szczęścia do ministrów spraw zagranicznych. Najnowszy, Jacek Czaputowicz, wychowanek Bronisława Geremka, zamiast bronić polskiej racji stanu oświadczył, że to Polacy są sprawcami mordu w Jedwabnem dokonanego na tamtejszych Żydach. Dlaczego jednak nie wspomina się o udziale Niemców? Co ze wstrzymanymi ekshumacjami? I przede wszystkim daczego zbrodnia ta jest rozpatrywana bez szerszego kontekstu historycznego?

        • srul Re: Polish Holocaust 24.02.18, 21:20
          Jeśli jakaś garstka wzięła w tym udział(rozkaz wydali Niemcy) to nie jest bardziej winna niż żydowscy kolaboranci, żydowscy szmalcownicy, grejferzy, płatni agenci Gestapo (w nomenklaturze żydów - Jewish Gestapo). A z pewnością mniej niż kolaboranci zinstytucjonalizowani, emanacja całej społeczności - Judenraty (Jewish Council), żydowska policja w gettach, którzy współdziałali w sposób zorganizowany, gorliwie i OCHOTNICZO, nie dla ratowania życia, jak twierdzą nieuki, a dla wzbogacenia się na łapówkach i okupach. Co ciekawe oprawcy z Jewish Police rekrutowali się głównie z elit prawniczych. Jak zauważyła Hannah Arendt, wśród Polaków kolaborował margines społeczny, męty, wyrzutki, wśród Żydów elita, creme de la creme, spitzenklasse.

          "O bezpiece mozna wszystkie glupstwa powiedziec ale przeciez nie zrobila by takiego bledu by mnie podwozic czy cos - przeciez natychmiast bym sie zdekonspirowal"

          Lech Wałęsa

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