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Most Annoying "Old EU"ropean?

27.01.06, 07:04
1. Bono form U2- Average musician, from British Isles. Never mind his music
is mediocry, he is dubbed a Superstar...this title is a inherited right of
each anglo-saxon musician, so his skills don't really matter. Let me listen
to the tape of this romanian rocker...yeap, he sound the same!!! So why is
not he making milions of Euros?

2. Bob Geldoff- The guy who trives on post British Empire wealth and
influence of Anglo-Saxons....pretends to be solution and not the contributor
to the world hunger...

The guy mumbbles something about helping the Africans while he lives in the
estate size of the Vatican City, and his cat has a bigger budget that one
entire African village of several thousands.

3. This is larger group of individuals from the Noble Prize Committee made up
of gay, lesbians, socialists, liberals and gen scientists who's sole
existence is to give awards to other ...gay, socialists, lesbians, liberals,
gen scientists and any other disfunsionate element you can find in the World.
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  • russh 27.01.06, 07:34
    > 1. Bono form U2- Average musician, from British Isles. Never mind his music
    > is mediocry, he is dubbed a Superstar...this title is a inherited right of
    > each anglo-saxon musician, so his skills don't really matter. Let me listen
    > to the tape of this romanian rocker...yeap, he sound the same!!! So why is
    > not he making milions of Euros?
    >
    > 2. Bob Geldoff- The guy who trives on post British Empire wealth and
    > influence of Anglo-Saxons....pretends to be solution and not the contributor
    > to the world hunger...
    >
    > The guy mumbbles something about helping the Africans while he lives in the
    > estate size of the Vatican City, and his cat has a bigger budget that one
    > entire African village of several thousands.


    Even if it were true, at least they have published their art, so that everyone
    can have an opinion.
  • waldek1610 27.01.06, 07:40
    With comments such as this one you made me believe, that everything Western and
    especially Anglo-Saxon is above law and is not to be challanged. I really would
    like to know why Bono who sings not better than romanian or thai rocker sells
    millions copies of his cd, and the later don't?


  • russh 27.01.06, 07:51
    Waldek, are you 'on' something this morning?
  • waldek1610 27.01.06, 08:02
    Why? Just because I challange Anglo-Saxon status quo in the world, I'm crazy?
    Don't be so sure of the pernamence of present anglo-american World, because one
    day you'll have to listen to Chinesse rock and watch Russian and Indian movies.
  • bartis_ervin 27.01.06, 09:14

    Dear Waldek,

    I have to say that you are hitting a new low.

    1. Bono. It's a personal preference if you like his music or not. But check the
    lobby/advocacy work Bono is doing is doing in the US (Dick Durbin, Pelosi, Jesse
    Helms, Patrick Leahy, Condi Rice), Canada (he almost managed to convince Martin
    to give 0.7% of the GDP to development), UK and generally in the North. Please
    also check www.data.org which is an adovacy body for Africa, founded by Bono.
    He did something with his life. Did you?

    2. If you are quoting "Romanian" (by the way, with big R) rock bands as
    something negative, then you are foolishly wrong. I know the Romanian rock scene
    quite well and you would be surprised by the quality of music which is being
    made over there.

    3. "one day you'll have to listen to Chinesse rock and watch Russian and Indian
    movie"
    I am watching a lot of Iranian, Chinese, Korean movies and listening to quality
    Ukrainian and Russian bands. However, I do this because I want and not because I
    "have to".

    4. What if the Nobel commission is made up by gays and lesbians? We already saw
    your opinion on other minority groups.. If there would be a contest called "The
    most ignorant and intolerant Pole", I am sure that you would get it without any
    problems.

    Stop being a parrot! Do something with your life!

    Ervin

    Thebartiski.blogspot.com
  • waldek1610 27.01.06, 12:24
    Bartis,
    Why is that according to you, in order to be "accepted and liked by others" I
    have to give up all my personal preferences and the way I perceive the World?

    If the guy like Bono and Geldoff are spoiled westerners who think they are
    Gods, just because they get more exposure than non-english speaking musicians.
    But this is a problem, they actually believe they are briliant musicians and
    everybody else is just so bad. If I met one of them I would tell then; if you
    want to be respected by my, don't come to poor countries around the world,
    making money out of poor people...Instead buy cd of musicians from Eastern
    Europe and come to their concerts. Please stop being such ignorant self loving
    anglo-saxon.


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    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • russh 27.01.06, 12:59
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > Bartis,
    > Why is that according to you, in order to be "accepted and liked by others" I
    > have to give up all my personal preferences and the way I perceive the World?
    >
    > If the guy like Bono and Geldoff are spoiled westerners who think they are
    > Gods, just because they get more exposure than non-english speaking musicians.
    > But this is a problem, they actually believe they are briliant musicians and
    > everybody else is just so bad. If I met one of them I would tell then; if you
    > want to be respected by my, don't come to poor countries around the world,
    > making money out of poor people...Instead buy cd of musicians from Eastern
    > Europe and come to their concerts. Please stop being such ignorant self loving
    > anglo-saxon.
    >
    Waldek, you are really tripped out. I would very seriously suggest that you
    consult a psychiatrist , and very quickly. They can do wonders nowadays.

    If your wife has any understanding of normal human rationale, she will instantly
    recognise that you need help.

    I obviously don't know if you have grave physical problems, but you cetainly
    have on the psychological front. Your reasoning was a little warped before, but
    it would seem now to gone completely haywire. I feel very sorry for you, but
    even more sorry for the people (if there are any) that are close to you.
  • missus.c 27.01.06, 14:21
    Thank God he doesn't have kids, eh? smile
  • russh 27.01.06, 14:32
    Absolutely. What about a thought for his wife, if he has one.

    I wonder if he does all of this in secret.
  • waldek1610 27.01.06, 23:02
    Is that not true that Bono and Geldoff are given more exposure, while the rest
    of the musical World is totally ignored.

    You know Poland has musicians too, not mentioning France, Italy or japan so why
    don't you listen to their music and go to their concerts for a change?
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • russh 27.01.06, 23:35
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > Is that not true that Bono and Geldoff are given more exposure, while the rest
    > of the musical World is totally ignored.
    >
    > You know Poland has musicians too, not mentioning France, Italy or japan so why
    >
    > don't you listen to their music and go to their concerts for a change?


    When was the last time you went to a concert of a French, Italian, Japanese or
    Polish band?

    I saw three Italian concerts last year, and my record collection has probably
    more than 100 cd's by Italian & Polish musicians. I do not particularly like
    French, Japanese or Polish modern music, although to be truthful I have little
    knowledge of them. My preferences are British & American modern music, mainly
    from the late 60's, the 70's and the 80's - it's more my style.
  • waldek1610 27.01.06, 23:41
    russh napisał:

    > waldek1610 napisał:
    >
    > > Is that not true that Bono and Geldoff are given more exposure, while the
    > rest
    > > of the musical World is totally ignored.
    > >
    > > You know Poland has musicians too, not mentioning France, Italy or japan
    > so why
    > >
    > > don't you listen to their music and go to their concerts for a change?
    >
    >
    > When was the last time you went to a concert of a French, Italian, Japanese or
    > Polish band?

    I bought French, Japaness not menitoning Polish CD's and watched a lot of
    Japanese TV and music so in the way I support those cultures. And I bought
    other cutural items conected with those nations.

    > I saw three Italian concerts last year, and my record collection has probably
    > more than 100 cd's by Italian & Polish musicians. I do not particularly like
    > French, Japanese or Polish modern music, although to be truthful I have little
    > knowledge of them. My preferences are British & American modern music, mainly
    > from the late 60's, the 70's and the 80's - it's more my style.


    Why cant you make Japanese or Korean modern music "more of your style"? Do you
    find their pop culture inferior?
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    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • ianek70 27.01.06, 13:06
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > If the guy like Bono and Geldoff are spoiled westerners who think they are
    > Gods, just because they get more exposure than non-english speaking
    musicians.

    Unfortunately, it's true that songs in English get more exposure than songs
    which aren't in English.
    This isn't fair, but then life isn't fair.

    > Instead buy cd of musicians from Eastern
    > Europe and come to their concerts.

    Or what about musicians from Central Europe, like Poland for example?
    Who, in your opinion, have been the most innovative and important artists on
    the Polish music scene over the past decade?
    Which are the best live Polish bands of the 21st century so far?
  • missus.c 27.01.06, 14:23
    ianek70 napisał:


    > Or what about musicians from Central Europe, like Poland for example?
    > Who, in your opinion, have been the most innovative and important artists on
    > the Polish music scene over the past decade?
    > Which are the best live Polish bands of the 21st century so far?

    You know his answer to that - it'll be Kombi smile))
    He's stuck in a time warp so I'm not surprised!
  • ianek70 27.01.06, 14:44
    missus.c napisała:

    > You know his answer to that - it'll be Kombi smile))
    > He's stuck in a time warp so I'm not surprised!

    Frankly I'm shocked.
    I'm just as against stereotypes as Waldo is, so I'd never suggest that everyone
    called Waldemar listens to Disco Polo and is friendly with goats.
    I'm sure he's researching a list of independent Polish acid-jazz labels at this
    very moment, and his pencil is vigorously writing out the pros and cons of
    Polish hip-hop reaching into the mainstream, with its subsequent break-up into
    sub-genres baffling not only purists but also sociologists. And personally I
    can't wait for his view (as an artist) on the media's recent reappraisal of the
    whole Jarocin scene.
    After all, he was Polish himself...
  • missus.c 27.01.06, 14:57
    As far as Jarocin goes, he was too young to go there when it all happened.

    That's why he's left with the Kombii fascination, that he could only ever watch
    on 5/10/15 at the weekend.
  • ianek70 27.01.06, 17:02
    missus.c napisała:

    > As far as Jarocin goes, he was too young to go there when it all happened.

    But as an expert on Polish culture I'm sure he's aware of the gradual
    reassessment of the whole 80s underground. Everyone who was involved is now in
    their 30s or 40s, the 1990s indie scene that stemmed from it has developed
    beyond all recognition and now people are able to look at it from a historical
    perspective, rather than just as nostalgia.
    I would be interested to know what Waldo's opinion was on the subject, if I
    thought he knew anything about it, and if I gave a shit what he thought about
    anything.
  • waldek1610 27.01.06, 23:07
    ianek70 napisał:

    > Who, in your opinion, have been the most innovative and important artists on
    > the Polish music scene over the past decade?
    > Which are the best live Polish bands of the 21st century so far?


    There's tons of them; my I start with Czeslaw Niemen, Czerwone Gitary could
    compete with the Beatles, not mentioning the never generation of artists, so
    why is UK or USA not letting them to have their piece of profitable Anglo-
    American market?
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    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • ianek70 28.01.06, 11:07
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > ianek70 napisał:
    >
    > > Who, in your opinion, have been the most innovative and important artists
    > on
    > > the Polish music scene over the past decade?
    > > Which are the best live Polish bands of the 21st century so far?
    >
    >
    > There's tons of them; my I start with Czeslaw Niemen, Czerwone Gitary

    I asked about the past decade and the 21st century, not the 60s.

    > not mentioning the never generation of artists,

    Why are you not mentioning the newer generation of artists?
    Have you heard any Polish music made in the last 20 years?
  • waldek1610 29.01.06, 09:11
    ianek70 napisał:

    > Why are you not mentioning the newer generation of artists?
    > Have you heard any Polish music made in the last 20 years?

    Good point. Nowadays polish popular music is far and between..most of it is
    nothing more that remakes and kitchy parodies of American and British music.
    Even if the musician is not pretending to be black, like that polish band the
    name of which I forgot, but they seem to be true copies of british band Oazis.

    It is funny how they are able to to just anything to look "British". Not only
    they sing in enlish, they dress like Oasis, they have their hairs combed down
    and wear glasses and clothes ...and even they act like Oasis on stage....

    Do you expect me to complement Sistars, Peja or other Polish singers who
    pretend to be black, and they do in such appaling way it makes me blush when I
    realise that is after all polish music.....
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • russh 29.01.06, 18:12
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > ianek70 napisał:
    >
    > > Why are you not mentioning the newer generation of artists?
    > > Have you heard any Polish music made in the last 20 years?
    >
    > Good point. Nowadays polish popular music is far and between..most of it is
    > nothing more that remakes and kitchy parodies of American and British music.
    > Even if the musician is not pretending to be black, like that polish band the
    > name of which I forgot, but they seem to be true copies of british band Oazis.
    >
    > It is funny how they are able to to just anything to look "British". Not only
    > they sing in enlish, they dress like Oasis, they have their hairs combed down
    > and wear glasses and clothes ...and even they act like Oasis on stage....

    Maybe it is because it (the British / American music) is popular; maybe because
    it is good; for sure it is liked, and therefore copied and played, in just about
    every country I have every visited.


    >
    > Do you expect me to complement Sistars, Peja or other Polish singers who
    > pretend to be black, and they do in such appaling way it makes me blush when I
    > realise that is after all polish music......

    If they are good, yes.
  • ianek70 30.01.06, 17:55
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > ianek70 napisał:
    >
    > > Why are you not mentioning the newer generation of artists?
    > > Have you heard any Polish music made in the last 20 years?
    >
    > It is funny how they are able to to just anything to look "British". Not only
    > they sing in enlish, they dress like Oasis, they have their hairs combed down
    > and wear glasses and clothes ...and even they act like Oasis on stage....

    If you mean Negatyw, then yes, they are embarassingly derivative and their new
    album has been ridiculed by the entire Polish press.
    If you mean Myslovitz, the first time I saw them was in a small club in
    Katowice in 1994, when half the bands in Britain sounded like Oasis and the
    Polish equivalent of Britpop was something fresh and new but not very
    interesting. Nobody expected them to get anywhere, but they write cool songs,
    constantly develop their sound and are a consistently good live band.
    As far as I know, the album they recorded in English hasn't actually been
    released in any English-speaking countries, although they have gigged in
    Britain.

    > Do you expect me to complement Sistars, Peja or other Polish singers who
    > pretend to be black

    No, I think the question was about innovative music or something, and why you
    think Polish music is so great, although you can't think of any examples.
  • missus.c 28.01.06, 12:14
    waldek1610 napisał:

    not mentioning the never generation of artists,


    because you have no clue about them. So stop pestering others about musisc you
    remember from your childhood, when you know nothing about the POland of today.
  • waldek1610 29.01.06, 09:15
    I have seen Sistars, Pejas .....Landrynas of polish music scene..and I got to
    tell you, I blush whenever I realise that is polish music after all...

    Don't tell me you are proud of poles who pretend to be black...I seriously
    believe that Japanesse rap is better than polish rap...
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    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • chris-joe 27.01.06, 20:25
    Waldek dearest,
    to my knowledge Geldoff and Bono alone have raised more money for the needy than
    the entire Eastern Europe, its musicians (and you)included.

    Do they think they're gods? Are they "spoiled Westerners" seeking self
    promotion? Do they believe they're brilliant musicians? Are they brilliant
    musicians? Are they Anglo-Saxon, Jewish, Upper-Silesian?

    Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
  • waldek1610 27.01.06, 23:18
    chris-joe napisał:

    > Waldek dearest,
    > to my knowledge Geldoff and Bono alone have raised more money for the needy
    > than the entire Eastern Europe, its musicians (and you)included.

    Sure, I'm aware of it, but thats' like putting down fire with gasoline. If they
    really wanted to help Africa they would start spending money in Africa, for
    example buying tickets to concerts of African musicians and buying their cds.
    Instead of giving up their domination on popular market, Bono and Geldoff get
    themeselves another chance to flood the World with their Ango-American music.

    Why can't they stop and petition US and UK media to let African musicians have
    piece of profitable UK and US music market, don't you think this way they they
    help africa long term, not just giving them a fish?

    > Do they think they're gods? Are they "spoiled Westerners" seeking self
    > promotion? Do they believe they're brilliant musicians? Are they brilliant
    > musicians? Are they Anglo-Saxon, Jewish, Upper-Silesian?

    Well, if you give them the whole US and UK market and world exposure, while
    musicians form Russia, Hungary or Poland gets none, that's exactly what their
    going to believe in; that they are the only good musicans...

    > Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

    If you don't give a dam, why you constantly listen exclusively UK and US
    musicians, and not Brazilian or Hungarian for example?

    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • russh 27.01.06, 23:50
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > chris-joe napisał:
    >
    > > Waldek dearest,
    > > to my knowledge Geldoff and Bono alone have raised more money for the nee
    > dy
    > > than the entire Eastern Europe, its musicians (and you)included.
    >
    > Sure, I'm aware of it, but thats' like putting down fire with gasoline. If they
    >
    > really wanted to help Africa they would start spending money in Africa, for
    > example buying tickets to concerts of African musicians and buying their cds.
    > Instead of giving up their domination on popular market, Bono and Geldoff get
    > themeselves another chance to flood the World with their Ango-American music.
    >
    > Why can't they stop and petition US and UK media to let African musicians have
    > piece of profitable UK and US music market, don't you think this way they they
    >
    > help africa long term, not just giving them a fish?

    Waldek, you are just showing your ignorance now. Try and do a little research
    before putting your fingers on you keyboard - you would then discover how much
    these men are doing for Africa.

    How much are you doing to help Africa? Or come to think of it, how much are you
    doing to help the country of your heart? I think I know.

    >
    > > Do they think they're gods? Are they "spoiled Westerners" seeking self
    > > promotion? Do they believe they're brilliant musicians? Are they brilli
    > ant
    > > musicians? Are they Anglo-Saxon, Jewish, Upper-Silesian?
    >
    > Well, if you give them the whole US and UK market and world exposure, while
    > musicians form Russia, Hungary or Poland gets none, that's exactly what their
    > going to believe in; that they are the only good musicans...
    >
    > > Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
    >
    > If you don't give a dam, why you constantly listen exclusively UK and US
    > musicians, and not Brazilian or Hungarian for example?

    Again, you cannot, or chose not to, understand the post that you are replying
    to. Try to read the post again.
    >
  • waldek1610 27.01.06, 23:59
    russh napisał:

    > Again, you cannot, or chose not to, understand the post that you are replying
    > to. Try to read the post again.

    There you go again, you expect me to take domination of Anglo-American music
    for granted. You just don't want to listen do Polish view or Slavic views for
    that matter.

    I know Bob Gelldoff and Bono do the publisity stunt and organize concerts for
    Africa, but thats just non-sense. If they seriously want Africa to be
    prosperous whey shuld give up some of their market to African musicians.

    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • russh 28.01.06, 00:14
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > russh napisał:
    >
    > > Again, you cannot, or chose not to, understand the post that you are repl
    > ying
    > > to. Try to read the post again.
    >
    > There you go again, you expect me to take domination of Anglo-American music
    > for granted. You just don't want to listen do Polish view or Slavic views for
    > that matter.
    >
    > I know Bob Gelldoff and Bono do the publisity stunt and organize concerts for
    > Africa, but thats just non-sense. If they seriously want Africa to be
    > prosperous whey shuld give up some of their market to African musicians.


    Rubbish, as said before, read the posts that you are replying to.

    >
  • waldek1610 28.01.06, 06:04
    russh napisał:

    > Rubbish, as said before, read the posts that you are replying to.


    Why do rules apply only to weaker nations? I believe I started this thread, so
    I should get an answer from you first.

    Is it inconvenient truth what you call "rubbish"?

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    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • russh 28.01.06, 00:25
    > There you go again, you expect me to take domination of Anglo-American music
    > for granted. You just don't want to listen do Polish view or Slavic views for
    > that matter.
    >
    > I know Bob Gelldoff and Bono do the publisity stunt and organize concerts for
    > Africa, but thats just non-sense. If they seriously want Africa to be
    > prosperous whey shuld give up some of their market to African musicians.

    What do you do for Africa Waldek? I would suggest that you know very little
    about either Geldoff or Bono; their efforts for Africa, or what they think about
    their music, particularly with regards to Geldoff. Do some reading before
    posting - it would widen your cultural horizons, and may give you the
    possibility of writing something sensible.
  • waldek1610 28.01.06, 06:13
    russh napisał:

    > What do you do for Africa Waldek? I would suggest that you know very little
    > about either Geldoff or Bono; their efforts for Africa, or what they think
    > about
    > their music, particularly with regards to Geldoff. Do some reading before
    > posting - it would widen your cultural horizons, and may give you the
    > possibility of writing something sensible.

    You expect me to feel anglo-saxon spirit, to understand "where you are comming
    form"...but seriously do you believe you know anything about being polish?

    And please don't tell me you do, because so far it lookes to me that for you
    being polish means shutting up and agreeing with everything you say. I think
    what you said about Bono and Geldoff is garbage.

    If you wanted to help third world you would get rid of the tarrifs and red tape
    that excludes all that don't have resourses, or those that don't play by your
    game.


    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • russh 28.01.06, 09:07
    > You expect me to feel anglo-saxon spirit, to understand "where you are comming
    > form"...but seriously do you believe you know anything about being polish?

    No, I don't expect you to feel anything Anglo-Saxon, and I've never said that I
    do. Yes, I know a little about being Polish, because I live here, and have been
    married to one for 9 years, and have children born here; I don't pretend to know
    much, and have never said I do.

    > And please don't tell me you do, because so far it lookes to me that for you
    > being polish means shutting up and agreeing with everything you say. I think
    > what you said about Bono and Geldoff is garbage.

    I have no problem with people who disagree with my points of view - I often
    learn by discussion. I don't learn from people who write or speak rubbish, such
    as that you have written about Geldoff & Bono.

    > If you wanted to help third world you would get rid of the tarrifs and red tape
    >
    > that excludes all that don't have resourses, or those that don't play by your
    > game.

    I totally agree that the tariffs & red-tape relating to trade in under-developed
    countries should be lifted (dependant always upon their human rights record),
    but have no power, apart from my vote or the possibility to protest, to do
    anything about it.

    Remember that the country of your heart is a part of the EU and its trade
    policies. It has been the UK in the past months that have tried to get the CAP
    and other issues re-modelled. I would suggest that you join a French forum, and
    express your views in relation to this topic there, as here you are speaking to
    at least one convert.
  • waldek1610 28.01.06, 10:24
    and let others gain some exposure, for the sake of balance.


    Russh,
    To you it might look like those two Irish rock stars are doing great
    humanitarian work for the third world, but this is sort of naive view of person
    comming from same anglo-saxon culture as Bono and Geldoff. You want to believe
    they are making a difference, for those starving people in Africa, but they
    don't do it without self interest.

    Because the real harity is done quietly, and when those Irish- rock stars give
    a gigantic concert they are really helping only themselves and western
    countries that dominate World with its pop culture as it is. If they really
    cared, they would give up portion of their wealth, and move aside and let
    African, Eastern European and Latin American musicians take the cultural
    spotlight.

    We non- anglo saxons are tired of Anglo-American cultural domination, that's
    all, and certainly Bono and Geldoff are making matter even worse, by showing
    their faces and showing more Anglo-saxong pop culture down our throats...


    PS. I thought it was UK that wanted to steal funding from new EU members
    (mainly Poland) during last EU budget session. On the other hand France proved
    to be an ally in Polands fight for fair funding for new EU countries.

    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • russh 28.01.06, 11:29
    > Russh,
    > To you it might look like those two Irish rock stars are doing great
    > humanitarian work for the third world, but this is sort of naive view of person
    >
    > comming from same anglo-saxon culture as Bono and Geldoff. You want to believe
    > they are making a difference, for those starving people in Africa, but they
    > don't do it without self interest.

    I'm naive? Maybe, but it is a fact that these two people are making a
    difference. You are probably the only person in the world that cannot appreciate it.

    > Because the real harity is done quietly,

    As well

    and when those Irish- rock stars give
    > a gigantic concert they are really helping only themselves and western
    > countries that dominate World with its pop culture as it is. If they really
    > cared, they would give up portion of their wealth, and move aside and let
    > African, Eastern European and Latin American musicians take the cultural
    > spotlight.

    Firstly, they organised the concerts, not gave them. Did you know that Geldoff
    has been responsible for donations of more than $100 million to the poorer
    African countries. Not bad for an crappy Anglo Saxon musician.

    If they really
    > cared, they would give up portion of their wealth, and move aside and let
    > African, Eastern European and Latin American musicians take the cultural
    > spotlight.

    Geldoff has moved aside - didn't you know? Several years ago as well.

    Re the other countries' musicians and groups, I'm sure that if they are good
    enough and lucky enough, they will succeed. Look at Santana!


    > We non- anglo saxons are tired of Anglo-American cultural domination, that's
    > all, and certainly Bono and Geldoff are making matter even worse, by showing
    > their faces and showing more Anglo-saxong pop culture down our throats...

    You are tired of what you believe is the Anglo-American cultural domination.
    Lets get it right. You do not represent anyone else apart from yourself.

    > PS. I thought it was UK that wanted to steal funding from new EU members
    > (mainly Poland) during last EU budget session. On the other hand France proved
    > to be an ally in Polands fight for fair funding for new EU countries.

    'Steal'? Get your facts straight again Waldek. The discussion you started was
    about the trade tarifs, not the EU budget, and it was the French not wanting to
    give up the CAP that I referred to.

    If you want to start a thread re the EU budget argument, please do. I will be
    very willing to contribute to the debate.

    > Polska jest w moim sercu!

    Hypocrite!

  • waldek1610 29.01.06, 06:46
    Russh,
    Carlos Santana is an American citizen, he was born in US state of California
    of mexican parents, and entire of his carier was developed in US...He's as
    Mexican as Sylvester Stalone is Italian.

    If you want real Mexican you need to look for him in Mexico...how many
    muchiachios from Guadelajara or Mexico City make big cariers in US? Now, Jose
    Feliciano is in fact from Mexico but his international carriere is mainly due
    to his appeal.

    Bob Geldoff got out of style and simply faded away back in 80'ties, he never
    actually had to move aside, cause he was moved aside, that's why he was happy
    to retake center stage using this concert for Africa.

    Of course you don't see the Anglo-American cultural dominance in the World,
    because you take it for granted, for you its something normal. But if you were
    Polish, Estonian or Romanian you would see the difference, you would understand
    that the world is not fair, and some not only get more attention but also more
    exposure. You only need to look at the Oscar Awards Ceremony, real crappy
    movies win them, just because they have bigger budget. That's why I don't watch
    Oscars anymore because it is crap, I think Cannes Film Festival, or the ones in
    Berlin, Mediolan and others are worth attention because they show the cross
    secion of European and World movies....At Hollywood festival 99% % of movies
    are American...sure they throw everybody else in International category, but
    why? In this way this is exclusivelly American film festival so other countries
    whouldn't pay attenion...


    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!

    And yes, I'm not hypocrite, if I didn't care about Poland I would propably just
    take Anglo-American crap, watch crappy american movies and pretended its all
    OK...but I don't
  • russh 29.01.06, 20:00
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > Russh,
    > Carlos Santana is an American citizen, he was born in US state of California
    > of mexican parents, and entire of his carier was developed in US...He's as
    > Mexican as Sylvester Stalone is Italian.

    Who told you that? Yet another of your innacuracies Waldek. The following is
    from the official Santana.com site

    'Born in Autlan de Navarro, Mexico—where there's now a street and public
    square in his name--to the son of a virtuoso Mariachi violinist, Carlos followed
    in his father's musical footsteps, taking up the violin at the age of five. It
    was when his family moved to Tijuana several years later, however, that Santana
    began his lifelong relationship with the instrument that would make him a
    musical icon–-the guitar. Early on he emulated his heroes–-John Lee Hooker, T.
    Bone Walker, and B.B. King—who he heard on powerful American radio stations when
    their signals crossed the border.

    In 1961, Carlos made the crossing himself, moving from his native Mexico
    to San Francisco. A few years later, he formed the Santana Blues Band there, and
    the cool, soulful riffs and rhythms of his Latin-blues based sound found an
    audience'

    And still loved by Anglo-Saxons!

    >
    > If you want real Mexican you need to look for him in Mexico...how many
    > muchiachios from Guadelajara or Mexico City make big cariers in US? Now, Jose
    > Feliciano is in fact from Mexico but his international carriere is mainly due
    > to his appeal.

    Yet again wrong Waldek. Jose Feliciano is Pueto Rican. See the following from
    his official web site:

    'Jose was born blind, to humble beginnings on September 10, 1945, in Lares,
    Puerto Rico. One of eleven boys, his love affair with music began at the age of
    three when he first accompanied his uncle on a tin cracker can.'

    And still loved by Anglo-Saxons and everybody else!

    >
    > Bob Geldoff got out of style and simply faded away back in 80'ties, he never
    > actually had to move aside, cause he was moved aside, that's why he was happy
    > to retake center stage using this concert for Africa.

    So why did you state earier (quotes from your earlie posts in this thread);

    'But this is a problem, they actually believe they are briliant musicians and
    everybody else is just so bad'

    'Is that not true that Bono and Geldoff are given more exposure, while the rest
    of the musical World is totally ignored'

    'Instead of giving up their domination on popular market, Bono and Geldoff get
    themeselves another chance to flood the World with their Ango-American music'

    In fact Geldoff in my opinion is quite talented, but not does not rank amongst
    the best. He is the first to admit that he penned some good songs, but there are
    many better than him around. He does not use in any way the Band Aid theme to
    peddle his music.

    >
    > Of course you don't see the Anglo-American cultural dominance in the World,
    > because you take it for granted, for you its something normal. But if you were
    > Polish, Estonian or Romanian you would see the difference, you would
    > understand that the world is not fair, and some not only get more attention
    > but also more exposure. You only need to look at the Oscar Awards Ceremony,
    > real crappy movies win them, just because they have bigger budget. That's why
    > I don't watch Oscars anymore because it is crap, I think Cannes Film Festival,
    > or the ones in Berlin, Mediolan and others are worth attention because they
    > show the cross secion of European and World movies....At Hollywood festival
    > 99% % of movies are American...sure they throw everybody else in International
    > category, but why? In this way this is exclusivelly American film festival so
    > other countries whouldn't pay attenion...

    That was a long paragraph! Let''s try and answer.

    1. Anglo-American cultural dominance; Culture is much more than just music and
    the arts. For sure at present the major influences in music is American /
    British / Irish, but not only because they are 'rich' countries (if it were,
    then why aren't Germany or Japan so successful), but also because in this field
    they are probably the best (at present).

    Culture is also about traditions, and therefore is continually changing as new
    influences arrive. The UK has changed significantly over the past 50 years, in
    much part due to the arrival of millions of foreigners. In many respects these
    'new arrivals' have enriched the British culture, and it is very evident if you
    know anything about the UK, its history and its current way of life.

    Poland has not just accepted, but invited, many of the new cultural influences
    that are arriving from the Anglo-American front. Maybe it is in part to the
    marketing machines that are behind some of them, but this is only a small part
    of the story. They are wanted because they are new and mostly exiting.

    It is also true that Poland has kept many (I don't know enough about Polish
    traditions to give more examples) of its traditions (and therefore culture); its
    festive traditions naming just one.

    2) The Oscars is an American film festival, celebrating the best cinema in the
    world, so why should it not laud itself.

    3) There is no Mediolan (Milan in Polish, I believe) film festival. There is a
    Venice film festival.

    To finish, I would like to express my view that you are just anti
    Anglo-American, and therefore will try and minimise anything that they and their
    cultures may influence. I have no problem with this, but it does become very
    boring, as it is a one-way discussion.

    You will find, I believe, that most of the people on this thread are far more
    open-minded, and accept that there are many good and bad aspects to most
    cultures, and have no problem to praise or criticise. You only criticise.
  • russh 29.01.06, 20:08
    'And yes, I'm not hypocrite, if I didn't care about Poland I would propably just
    take Anglo-American crap, watch crappy american movies and pretended its all
    OK...but I don't'

    Let me give you a few examples of your hypocracy;

    1. You criticise us foreigners in Poland of exploiting Poland, and not caring
    for it and its culture. You went to America for economic reasons (to exploit
    it), and do very little but criticise it and its culture.

    2. You say that it is your right to criticise Poland, but not ours (foreigners
    living in Poland) because you are Polish. You criticise the UK and America
    continually, but are not an Anglo-Saxon.

    3. You claim to hate stereotyping, and stereotypers. The majority of your posts
    stereotype extensively.

    These demonstrate your hypocracy.
  • waldek1610 30.01.06, 06:37
    Russh,
    You can critisize Poland all you want, but there's got to be some balance in
    this critique. The problem is that eveybody jumped in and pooured polish names
    as if out of the bad when; "Most Annoying Pole" thread was started. On the
    other hand when I started thread;"Most anoying Old EU"ropean"..not only you all
    refused to give any names of annoying westerners, but also showed you were not
    happy that I even dared to suggest western Europeans can be irritable...

    This very fact showes that there's not equality and solidarity in new EU and
    the western conutries still fill as if they were superior to the eastern
    Europeans.

    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • chris-joe 28.01.06, 00:39
    "If you don't give a dam, why you constantly listen exclusively UK and US
    musicians, and not Brazilian or Hungarian for example?"

    -Waldy, sweety pie! Half of the music I own is Brazilian. So is my bf smile)))

    ps. Instead of telling others how to help Africa- show them.
  • waldek1610 28.01.06, 06:20
    chris-joe napisał:

    > "If you don't give a dam, why you constantly listen exclusively UK and US
    > musicians, and not Brazilian or Hungarian for example?"
    >
    > -Waldy, sweety pie! Half of the music I own is Brazilian. So is my bf smile)))

    I though that you were a guy Chris-Joe....still even for a girl that doesn't
    really make a difference. So as far as your Brazillian music you listen to, you
    can buy cd's in the music store, but does MTV or VH1 and any other engluish
    language cable or satelite channel shows anything Brazilian?

    > ps. Instead of telling others how to help Africa- show them.

    That's not a point. Wheather you help African, Poles or Chinesse it's all the
    same, you help at least somebody. The problem with Geldoff and Bono is that
    they are mainly concerned with satisfying their vanity, and pulling off
    publicity stutn, staying in news. If they wanted to really help starving
    africans they would do it quietly.



    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • missus.c 28.01.06, 12:23
    Czlowieku, jestes głupszy niż ustawa przewiduje.....


    Primo. Afrykanczycy, najpewniej ci najbiedniejsi, maja gleboko, czy kupujesz
    ich plyty. Oni chca miec dostep do medycyny, do wody i odziezy.

    Projekty ktore MIEDZY INNYMI promuja Bono i Geldoff to UNIEWAZNIENIE DLUGOW
    tych krajow. ROZUMIESZ?

    W Afryce, Ci ludzie chca, by pokazac im jak leczyc ich dzieci, uczyc je i pomoc
    by znowu mogli uprawiac swoja ziemie. A, miedzy innymi bo twoj ukochany prezio
    BUSH olewa KYOTO AGREEMENT, w tych krajach jest susza.


    MYLISZ prblem niesamowietej biedy i bezradnosci i potrzeby o pomoc z
    promowaniem innych kultur.
    Przez kupowanie Afrykanskich plyt NIE NAKARMISZ Afrykanskich dzieci.



    Co do tego co pokazuje MTV. Wejdz sobie, na ich strone, i ZOBACZ ile maja
    REGIONALNYCH stacji. W tym MYV POLSKA. Oraz jaka jest RAMOWKA tych programow.


    Czy ty kiedykolwiek wyszedles z tej swojej zapazdzialej nory, ze tak sie
    madrzysz?!
    Czy ty byles kiedys w Afryce?


    Robisz sobie taki obciach ze głowa mała. Zajmujesz sie za wypowiadaniem się o
    rzeczach o ktorych nie masz pojecia. Twoja wiedza na JAKIKOLWIEK temat jest
    ZNIKOMA. Za kazdym razem jak coś napiszesz to to udowadniasz.
    POCZYTAJ trochę, może pójdź do szkoły (ale pewnie Cię nie stać) i potem może
    będziesz miał podstawy by tak polemizować...

  • waldek1610 29.01.06, 07:36
    missus.c napisała:

    > Primo. Afrykanczycy, najpewniej ci najbiedniejsi, maja gleboko, czy kupujesz
    > ich plyty. Oni chca miec dostep do medycyny, do wody i odziezy.
    > Projekty ktore MIEDZY INNYMI promuja Bono i Geldoff to UNIEWAZNIENIE DLUGOW
    > tych krajow. ROZUMIESZ?

    Moze latwiej byloby policzyc straty jakie Afryka poniosla podczas kolonizacji
    europejskiej, zapakowac jakies 75 % Brytyjskiego, Francuskiego skarbu panstwa i
    wyslac Afryce zadoscuczynienie za straty ludzkie, moralne i przedefszystkim
    finansowe?


    > W Afryce, Ci ludzie chca, by pokazac im jak leczyc ich dzieci, uczyc je i
    > pomoc by znowu mogli uprawiac swoja ziemie. A, miedzy innymi bo twoj ukochany
    > prezio BUSH olewa KYOTO AGREEMENT, w tych krajach jest susza.

    Tak, jak ziemniaki zle obradzaly w Polsce bo Amerykanie stonke zrzucili z
    nieba....A cos ty sie tak uparl na prezydenta USA? Zmieniles kolor z polskiego
    komunisty na Europejskiego socialiste ktoremu wygodniej teraz w Brukseli?


    > MYLISZ prblem niesamowietej biedy i bezradnosci i potrzeby o pomoc z
    > promowaniem innych kultur.
    > Przez kupowanie Afrykanskich plyt NIE NAKARMISZ Afrykanskich dzieci.

    Glupku, przyczepiles sie tych plyt, oczywiscie ze chodzi o wolny handel i
    nieograniczone otwarcie rynkow, czyli kupowanie artykowow z Afryki tak zeby oni
    mieli pieniadze na rozwoj infrastruktury na swoim kontynecie.

    > Co do tego co pokazuje MTV. Wejdz sobie, na ich strone, i ZOBACZ ile maja
    > REGIONALNYCH stacji. W tym MYV POLSKA. Oraz jaka jest RAMOWKA tych programow.

    I wedlug Ciebie to jest normalne ze jest MTV Europe, MTV Poland, MTV Romania?
    To jest kolonializm culturalny, bo gdyby bylo normalnie to w Polsce nie bylo by
    TIME Magazine Polaska, ani MTV Polska, bo dlaczego wszystko ma byc pod szyldem
    zachodnim. Dlaczego nie moze byc niezaleznej od zachodnich wplywow Polskiej
    telewizyjnej stacji muzycznej z polskim kapitalem???


    > Czy ty byles kiedys w Afryce?

    A o Marsie lub Ksiezycu Twoim zdaniem moga sie tylko wypowiadac Ci ktorzy na
    nim byli?


    > Zajmujesz sie za wypowiadaniem się o rzeczach o ktorych nie masz pojecia.
    > Twoja wiedza na JAKIKOLWIEK temat jest ZNIKOMA.

    Po prostu ty dalej myslisz po PRL-owsku, tak jak to bylo za komunizmu, zeby moc
    wypowiedziec sie na temat sztuki Wyspianskiego trzeba bylo sie wylegitymowac
    jak Profesor katedry ASP...Uniwersytetu Jagielonskiego..itd. Widac ze w Polsce
    takie myslenie niestety dalej obowiazuje.

    Zrozum ze w cywilizowanym swiecie, nikt nie pyta sie czy masz dyplom inzyniera
    czy inne tytuly zeby wymienic poglady o np; inwestycjach deweloperskich w
    miescie. Nawet sprzataczka moze miec wlasne zdanie na dany temat jesli sie
    tylko nim interesuje. Myslisz ze tylko bogaci maja prawo do wlasnego zdania? Po
    raz kolejny udowadniasz ze wedlug Ciebie liczy sie tylko to z jakiej klasy
    spolecznej i finansowej czlowiek pochodzi. Nie wiesz ze wiedzy albo tym
    bardziej prawa do wlasnego zdania nie da sie kupic? Moze Ty masz w domu sluzaca
    ktora bijesz batem, ktora wsadziles z cala rodzina do Czworakow, i udajesz
    arystokrate, inteligencje i Bog sam wie co jeszcze.


    > Za kazdym razem jak coś napiszesz to to udowadniasz.
    > POCZYTAJ trochę, może pójdź do szkoły (ale pewnie Cię nie stać) i potem może
    > będziesz miał podstawy by tak polemizować...

    A cos ty z uparl sie z tym... "pewnie Cie nie stac"???? Myslisz ze tylko
    bezszczelne gnidy z nowobogackiej postkomunistycznej nomentklatury ktore same
    siebie uwlascily maja pieniadze na swoja edukacje cieciu?

    W USA studjuje wiele Polakow w collegach i uniwersytetach, ludzie ktorzy
    dorobili sie z pracy wlasnych rak, wyslali siebie i swoje dzieci do uczelni.
    Nie trzeba byc synem Pruszkowskiej Mafi albo corka polityka/biznesmena z SLD
    zeby studiowac na zachodzie.

    Wyslal Ciebie twoj bogaty tatus na studia w Angli, poduczyles sie angielskiego,
    to sie ciesz, bo mozesz teraz udawac cwaniaka. Tylko nie mow me teraz ze
    rodzice zbierali na twoja edukacje pracujac jako kierowca autobusu i
    ekspedietka, bo oz bije z ciebie pewnosci siebie "synka uwlaszczonej post
    komunistycznej nomentklatury, ktora przerobila sie na nowa kaste biznesmenow i
    politykow....
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • russh 28.01.06, 12:32
    > That's not a point. Wheather you help African, Poles or Chinesse it's all the
    > same, you help at least somebody. The problem with Geldoff and Bono is that
    > they are mainly concerned with satisfying their vanity, and pulling off
    > publicity stutn, staying in news. If they wanted to really help starving
    > africans they would do it quietly.

    The point is Waldek; how are you helping, either the developing countries, or
    your beloved Poland?

    What did I hear you say? You are going to donate your entire artistic collection
    to the Polish Help the Children Fund. Don't make me laugh again please, it's
    Saturday after all, and I can only take so much humour.
  • waldek1610 29.01.06, 07:42
    russh napisał:

    > > That's not a point. Wheather you help African, Poles or Chinesse it's all
    > the
    > > same, you help at least somebody. The problem with Geldoff and Bono is th
    > at
    > > they are mainly concerned with satisfying their vanity, and pulling off
    > > publicity stutn, staying in news. If they wanted to really help starving
    > > africans they would do it quietly.
    >
    > The point is Waldek; how are you helping, either the developing countries, or
    > your beloved Poland?
    >
    > What did I hear you say? You are going to donate your entire artistic
    collectio
    > n
    > to the Polish Help the Children Fund. Don't make me laugh again please, it's
    > Saturday after all, and I can only take so much humour.


    What's wrong in your view with Polish art? If Irish musicians can help Africa,
    selling out their music, why can't I hepl Poland selling my art?

    You think that only anglo-saxon art and music deserves attention?
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • russh 29.01.06, 18:08
    >
    > > > That's not a point. Wheather you help African, Poles or Chinesse it
    > 's all
    > > the
    > > > same, you help at least somebody. The problem with Geldoff and Bono
    > is th
    > > at
    > > > they are mainly concerned with satisfying their vanity, and pulling
    > off
    > > > publicity stutn, staying in news. If they wanted to really help sta
    > rving
    > > > africans they would do it quietly.
    > >
    > > The point is Waldek; how are you helping, either the developing countries
    > , or
    > > your beloved Poland?
    > >
    > > What did I hear you say? You are going to donate your entire artistic
    > collectio
    > > n
    > > to the Polish Help the Children Fund. Don't make me laugh again please, i
    > t's
    > > Saturday after all, and I can only take so much humour.
    >
    >
    > What's wrong in your view with Polish art? If Irish musicians can help Africa,
    > selling out their music, why can't I hepl Poland selling my art?
    >
    > You think that only anglo-saxon art and music deserves attention?

    Again, you change the subject, or do not understand what has been written
    previously.

    Polish art had nothing to do with my post. Hypocracy has. I would very much
    admire you if you did something positive, like selling your paintings and giving
    the money, or at least a part of it to charity, especially a Polish charity.
    After all, your heart is here, is it not?

    But I think that you are too hypocritical and egoistical to do such a thing. You
    are all talk I fear, unlike Geldoff, Bono and many many others.
  • chris-joe 28.01.06, 21:46
    And you were right, waldy, I AM a guy smile

    ps. Why do you expect your local commercial tv station to run an "Albanian Week"
    programming for you followed by "All you MUST know about Nepal"?
    After all (yes, it is as true as unfortunate) their only obligation is towards
    their share-holders.

    However, I assure you that as soon as they discover insatiable public appetite
    for all things Masovian, they'll promptly adjust their programming.

    We're living in a world that is increasingly commercialized and run by monstrous
    international entities where things korean or anglo-saxon are only as good as
    how well they sell.
    On the other hand, never before in human history had we so many sources of
    information as we have today. Whether in Warsaw or in New Jersey you can live,
    eat, listen and breathe culture of your choice on a daily basis.

    Having said all that, we're acutely aware that this is not what you really
    desire and you don't give a flying hoot about cultures of Rio Grande Do Sul,
    Bhutan, Montenegro or Nunavut.
    The only thing that would make you happy would be "Polish culture" shoved into
    the global and collective throat with special emphasis on the fact that the
    Polish-Lithuanian empire once stretched all to way to Prypet. For a day or two.
    Three hundred years ago.

    And your sad, sad and complex ridden bleeding heart (with Poland in it) must
    hurt like hell when it realizes in your dark and damp basement that, as seen
    from NYC or Buenos Aires, Poland is just another country among some 200 others.

    And one more thing: in your harangues you demonstate utter contempt and
    revulsion towards the corrupt and immoral West (as if Poland weren't a part of
    it) and the Anglo-Saxons in particular, yet it is the recognition of "Poland's
    global importance" by that very West and by those same Anglo-Saxons that you so
    painfully seek and desire. Is that freaky, or is that freaky?
  • waldek1610 29.01.06, 08:03
    Chris,
    And according to you, that commercialized World has and and enormous apettite
    for all things anglo-american? And why is it that only movies shot in english
    language, with american or english actors staring in them "sell" especially in
    the US and UK???

    It's not like a French, Chinesse or Polish flics (movies) are not avalaible to
    American or English movie lover..the problem is that Hollywood lobbies US
    governement to limit access for all foreign movies to the US movie market.

    I believe that those 200 countries suppose to trade their goods with each
    other. So if Polish audiences enjoy american, italian or french flick, I don't
    see the reason why can't American or a Brit watch Italian, French or Polish
    flick....

    Don't you think that World domination of one culture is not fair, and while it
    helps Hollywood producers and actors make milions of dollars having unlimited
    access to to movie watchers from Albania to Zimbabwe...why can't
    cinematografies from smaller countries make money selling their movies to US?

    Don't you see the injustice in how rich countries such US or Britain makes
    money flooding small countries with cultural products, while the huge markets
    are closed to those small economicaly struggling nations.
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • chris-joe 29.01.06, 08:43
    "And according to you, that commercialized World has and and enormous apettite
    for all things anglo-american?"
    - obviously and evidently: YES. And that not according to me, but to box office
    stats.
    It'a pop era we live in, and in the pop department the Americans and the Brits
    are simply the best.
    Mind you, globally Bollywood and the Brazilian soaps outsell Hollywood. Happy?

    "And why is it that only movies shot in english language, with american or
    english actors staring in them "sell" especially in the US and UK???"
    "I believe that those 200 countries suppose to trade their goods with each
    other. So if Polish audiences enjoy american, italian or french flick, I don't
    see the reason why can't American or a Brit watch Italian, French or Polish
    flick...."
    -well, I do see the reason: they like it that way.
    Sure, there is a way to change that. You can introduce a law in the US and the
    UK: you get to see an American movie only once you produce proof you have seen
    at least 3 non-American flics in the last month smile))
    However, if I supported a quota system for women's participation in the
    political life, you would be the first to accuse me of being a commie, leftist,
    pc and whatever "dirty" words you could find in your dictionary.

    BTW, if you want to see those non-American movies, the best place to do it would
    probably be... London and New York smile)

    "Don't you think that World domination of one culture is not fair, and while it
    helps Hollywood producers and actors make milions of dollars having unlimited
    access to to movie watchers from Albania to Zimbabwe...why can't
    cinematografies from smaller countries make money selling their movies to US?"
    -no, it's not fair. But then again who said life was fair?
    Now, how can we make Mr. Rubik share his fortune with some Romanian and
    Tanzanian inventors? And Mr. Gorecki to forward some of his royalties to the
    starving musicians in Ecuador?


  • russh 29.01.06, 18:25
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > Chris,
    > And according to you, that commercialized World has and and enormous apettite
    > for all things anglo-american? And why is it that only movies shot in english
    > language, with american or english actors staring in them "sell" especially in
    > the US and UK???

    Oh come on Waldek. It's obvious. A) They are in English. B) They are generally
    good. C) They are to the taste of the Americans & British viewers.

    In the UK, there have been many attempts to screen foreign films, sometimes with
    some success (asterisk & obelisk for example), but generally with very little.
    Occasionally they become 'cult' films.

    They key is that you cannot generally force taste onto people in a free society.


    >
    > It's not like a French, Chinesse or Polish flics (movies) are not avalaible to
    > American or English movie lover..the problem is that Hollywood lobbies US
    > governement to limit access for all foreign movies to the US movie market.

    But not to the UK market, I believe. See my previous point.


    >
    > I believe that those 200 countries suppose to trade their goods with each
    > other. So if Polish audiences enjoy american, italian or french flick, I don't
    > see the reason why can't American or a Brit watch Italian, French or Polish
    > flick....

    Agreed. But you can't force them to watch them.

    >
    > Don't you think that World domination of one culture is not fair, and while it
    > helps Hollywood producers and actors make milions of dollars having unlimited
    > access to to movie watchers from Albania to Zimbabwe...why can't
    > cinematografies from smaller countries make money selling their movies to US?

    Fair or not, it's happened. Do you want the US to subsidise the film industries
    from smaller countries?

    >
    > Don't you see the injustice in how rich countries such US or Britain makes
    > money flooding small countries with cultural products, while the huge markets
    > are closed to those small economicaly struggling nations.

    The world is full of injustices. I don't see this as one of them.
  • ianek70 27.01.06, 12:19
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > 1. Bono form U2- Average musician, from British Isles. Never mind his music
    > is mediocry, he is dubbed a Superstar...this title is a inherited right of
    > each anglo-saxon musician, so his skills don't really matter.

    Bono, being Irish, is not an Anglo-Saxon.

    > 2. Bob Geldoff- The guy who trives on post British Empire wealth and
    > influence of Anglo-Saxons....

    Geldof, being Irish, is not an Anglo-Saxon.

    > 3. This is larger group of individuals from the Noble Prize Committee made up
    > of gay, lesbians, socialists, liberals and gen scientists who's sole
    > existence is to give awards to other ...gay, socialists, lesbians, liberals,
    > gen scientists and any other disfunsionate element you can find in the World.

    You forgot to mention that they're all Anglo-Saxons.
  • waldek1610 27.01.06, 12:28
    ianek70 napisał:

    > waldek1610 napisał:
    >
    > > 1. Bono form U2- Average musician, from British Isles. Never mind his mus
    > ic
    > > is mediocry, he is dubbed a Superstar...this title is a inherited right o
    > f
    > > each anglo-saxon musician, so his skills don't really matter.
    >
    > Bono, being Irish, is not an Anglo-Saxon.



    > > 2. Bob Geldoff- The guy who trives on post British Empire wealth and
    > > influence of Anglo-Saxons....
    >
    > Geldof, being Irish, is not an Anglo-Saxon.

    If he speaks english and comes from a country where english is official
    language...he's anglo-saxon period!
  • ianek70 27.01.06, 12:39
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > If he speaks english and comes from a country where english is official
    > language...he's anglo-saxon period!

    So Snoop Doggy Dogg is an Anglo-Saxon, too?
  • waldek1610 27.01.06, 12:49
    ianek70 napisał:

    > waldek1610 napisał:
    >
    > > If he speaks english and comes from a country where english is official
    > > language...he's anglo-saxon period!
    >
    > So Snoop Doggy Dogg is an Anglo-Saxon, too?
    I was going to write "if he's white..and speak english" but that would sound
    racist, but there you go, it has to be said.

    Bog Geldoff and Bono don't look to me like descendants of african slaves to
    me....they are white and were born in anglophonic country therefore they are
    anglo-saxons.

    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • ianek70 27.01.06, 12:57
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > ianek70 napisał:
    >
    > > So Snoop Doggy Dogg is an Anglo-Saxon, too?
    > I was going to write "if he's white..and speak english" but that would sound
    > racist, but there you go, it has to be said.
    >
    > Bog Geldoff and Bono don't look to me like descendants of african slaves to
    > me....they are white and were born in anglophonic country therefore they are
    > anglo-saxons.

    OK, Waldo, your definition of "Anglo-Saxon" is completely different from the
    definition in dictionaries and also in the real world.
    What's your definition of "Indian"?
    Or "table"?
  • waldek1610 27.01.06, 13:05
    ianek70 napisał:

    > waldek1610 napisał:
    >
    > > ianek70 napisał:
    > >
    > > > So Snoop Doggy Dogg is an Anglo-Saxon, too?
    > > I was going to write "if he's white..and speak english" but that would so
    > und
    > > racist, but there you go, it has to be said.
    > >
    > > Bog Geldoff and Bono don't look to me like descendants of african slaves
    > to
    > > me....they are white and were born in anglophonic country therefore they
    > are
    > > anglo-saxons.
    >
    > OK, Waldo, your definition of "Anglo-Saxon" is completely different from the
    > definition in dictionaries and also in the real world.
    > What's your definition of "Indian"?

    Indian is a person form India, but it can also be native American..because
    Columbus was confused when he made his discoveries, so it went ..

    > Or "table"?
    Has four legs, but not necessery, it primarly serves as a furniture to dine on
    or write on....

    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • ianek70 27.01.06, 13:14
    waldek1610 napisał:


    > Indian is a person form India, but it can also be native American..because
    > Columbus was confused when he made his discoveries, so it went ..

    Very good.

    > > Or "table"?
    > Has four legs, but not necessery, it primarly serves as a furniture to dine
    on
    > or write on....

    Excellent.

    Now, is Al Pacino an Anglo-Saxon name?
    Or Breandan O'hEither?
  • missus.c 27.01.06, 14:31
    Za osatatnią prace domową, dostajesz 1. Ponieważ nie pofatygowałeś się jej
    odrobić.
    Więc kolejne zadanie.

    Learn these definitions:

    anglofobia

    niechętny stosunek do wszystkiego, co angielskie; wrogość wobec Anglii, Anglików
    <anglo- od Anglia + fobia>


    anglosaski


    1. odnoszący się do cywilizacji i narodów brytyjskich
    2. brytyjski i amerykański


    profan
    profan m IV, DB. -a, Ms. ~nie; lm M. -i, DB. -ów
    «człowiek nie mający wystarczającej wiedzy w jakiejś dziedzinie; laik,
    ignorant, dyletant»
    Muzyka, sztuka nie dla profanów, lecz dla znawców.
    z łc.



  • waldek1610 27.01.06, 23:37
    Moze samemu nauczyl bys sie tych rownie waznych definicji;

    Learn these definitions:

    Slavofobia

    niechętny stosunek do wszystkiego, co Slowianskie; niechetne podejscie lub
    zupelna ingorancja wobec kultury Polski, Rosji i innych narodow slowianskich
    (Slavo- od Slowian + fobia)If you take under consideration how many Slavic
    movies or music do English or Americans watch (listen), which is O!!!! you will
    see clearly that they ignore its existence. Why? Isn't slavofobia?

    Missus napisal;

    > profan
    > profan m IV, DB. -a, Ms. ~nie; lm M. -i, DB. -ów
    > «człowiek nie mający wystarczającej wiedzy w jakiejś dziedzinie; laik,
    > ignorant, dyletant»
    > Muzyka, sztuka nie dla profanów, lecz dla znawców.
    > z łc.

    Na przklad taki, jak brak wiedzy Angilkow lub Amerykanow o kulturze
    Slowianskiej? Zgadzam sie?


    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • missus.c 28.01.06, 12:28
    Slavofobia

    niechętny stosunek do wszystkiego, co Slowianskie; niechetne podejscie lub
    zupelna ingorancja wobec kultury Polski, Rosji i innych narodow slowianskich
    (Slavo- od Slowian + fobia)If you take under consideration how many Slavic
    movies or music do English or Americans watch (listen), which is O!!!! you will
    see clearly that they ignore its existence. Why? Isn't slavofobia?


    Which dictionary is that from then????? The Wadek definition and hypcritcal
    view of foreigners in poland dictionary?


    Jaka slavophiobia?

    Chlopie, wmawiasz ludziom jakies kretynskie wymysly urojone we wlasnej glowie.
    Mieszkaja i sa tu dluzej od Ciebie i o wiele wiedza lepiej na temat naszego
    kraju niż ty. Ty nawet się nie potrafisz wysłowić ani we swoim ani w ich języku
    i masz tupet żeby ich pouczać i wyzywać.


  • waldek1610 27.01.06, 23:25
    ianek70 napisał:

    > Now, is Al Pacino an Anglo-Saxon name?
    > Or Breandan O'hEither?


    Janek,
    So what Al Pacino has an Italian name, true he plays mafia bosses or other
    organized crime but he doesn't play in Italian movies, and doesn't promote the
    culture of his ancestral country.

    O'Connors and Brennans, Bennigans.. and others are in fact visible on the US
    and UK film and music market, but they come Ireland..which is just another
    anglophonic country...they don't really speak Eire and promote celtic culture
    worldwide, and they don't star in Irish productions...
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • ianek70 28.01.06, 11:18
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > ianek70 napisał:
    >
    > > Now, is Al Pacino an Anglo-Saxon name?
    > > Or Breandan O'hEither?

    > O'Connors and Brennans, Bennigans.. and others are in fact visible on the US
    > and UK film and music market, but they come Ireland..which is just another
    > anglophonic country...

    For you Ireland's just another anglophonic country, because you're just as
    ignorant of other cultures as the imaginary polonophobes who exist in your
    head, and who you constantly and repetitively criticise.
    If you ever visit Europe, it might be fun to go into a pub in Dublin or
    Glasgow, inform the locals that they're Anglo-Saxons and see whether they laugh
    at you or break your legs.
  • missus.c 28.01.06, 12:32
    Oh, now he's changed his tune to anglophonic from anglosaxon...

    Speak Eire? Where did you get that from? You don't even know anything about
    local languages or dialects there. And going on google and checking now,
    doesn't count - but you probably can't even use that properly....
  • marimax 28.01.06, 13:01
    We have to listen to such a "great" stars like Spice Girls, Bruce Springsteen,
    Britney Spears or others for the same reason we have to eat and drink shit like
    Coke or hamburgers from McDonalds.
    Big corporations control the markets and you have no choice. The big
    corporations come into emerging markets buy everything they can, destroy the
    competition and then shove their products down your throat
  • chris-joe 28.01.06, 20:29
    But mari, you can always support your local grocer. Or do you get wallmart
    coupons as your paycheck?

    Londoners and New Yorkers are as much "victimized" by exposure to Ms. Spears (or
    T.A.T.U. for that matter) as people in Warsaw and Tirana.

    Guess what? They still have Youssou N'dour cd's at your local HMV. Or are they
    all sold out?
  • ianek70 30.01.06, 18:10
    marimax napisał:

    > We have to listen to such a "great" stars like Spice Girls, Bruce Springsteen,
    > Britney Spears or others for the same reason we have to eat and drink shit
    like
    > Coke or hamburgers from McDonalds.

    You don't "have to" listen to crap music, you don't "have to" eat crap food.
    Personally I would never eat in McDonalds, partly because the food sucks,
    partly for moral reasons, partly because it's just such unimaginable obciach
    and komercja. I can cook, I know where to go for a good pizza, if I'm hungry
    and in a hurry I head for my favourite bar mleczny. There's always a choice.
    And if you don't like Britney Spears or Mandaryna, simply turn the dial on your
    radio, or buy a cd player and listen to something you like.
    Boycot major record labels. Buy cd's in small independent shops.
    The more people ignore commercialism, the quicker it'll die.

    > Big corporations control the markets and you have no choice.

    They control markets, but they don't control you, unless you let them.
  • usenetposts 30.01.06, 20:19
    ianek70 napisał:

    > marimax napisał:
    >
    > > We have to listen to such a "great" stars like Spice Girls, Bruce Springs
    > teen,
    > > Britney Spears or others for the same reason we have to eat and drink shi
    > t
    > like
    > > Coke or hamburgers from McDonalds.
    >
    > You don't "have to" listen to crap music, you don't "have to" eat crap food.
    > Personally I would never eat in McDonalds, partly because the food sucks,
    > partly for moral reasons, partly because it's just such unimaginable obciach
    > and komercja. I can cook, I know where to go for a good pizza, if I'm hungry
    > and in a hurry I head for my favourite bar mleczny. There's always a choice.
    > And if you don't like Britney Spears or Mandaryna, simply turn the dial on
    your
    >
    > radio, or buy a cd player and listen to something you like.
    > Boycot major record labels. Buy cd's in small independent shops.
    > The more people ignore commercialism, the quicker it'll die.
    >
    > > Big corporations control the markets and you have no choice.
    >
    > They control markets, but they don't control you, unless you let them.

    Good words. I'll make this my nomination for POM.

    --
    - Uncle Davey's Homepage -
    :: Foreigners Living in Poland Forum
  • waldek1610 29.01.06, 08:15
    missus.c napisała:

    > Oh, now he's changed his tune to anglophonic from anglosaxon...

    Why, you were expecting me to give up and bow my head before you, because you
    are son of the novobogackis who think Poland belongs to them and they are above
    the law?

    > Speak Eire? Where did you get that from? You don't even know anything about
    > local languages or dialects there. And going on google and checking now,
    > doesn't count - but you probably can't even use that properly....


    Why are you suprised that Pole living in US knows about Eire and celtic
    language? You think that only sons of Pruszkowska Mafia or daughters of Polish
    post comunist turned businesmen can afford to educate themselves?
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!

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