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05.02.06, 12:32
I am planning European Tour, during my long postponed vacation, and haven't
decided which countries are worth visiting. Can you please rate top 3
countries in each category. This could be helpfull to me and perheaps others!

In following categories;

a)development, infrastructure

b)foreigner-friendliness,locals

c)tourist attractions, sites

d)cultural and scientific sites

e)sports

f)culinary/ foods

g)good deals/prices
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  • usenetposts 05.02.06, 15:18
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > I am planning European Tour, during my long postponed vacation, and haven't
    > decided which countries are worth visiting. Can you please rate top 3
    > countries in each category. This could be helpfull to me and perheaps others!
    >
    > In following categories;
    >
    > a)development, infrastructure

    Probably Germany, Ireland, UK

    >
    > b)foreigner-friendliness,locals
    >

    Ireland is a very tourist friendly place, the Spanish and the Portuguese are
    also good at it. Italy is very "take it or leave it" to tourists, and often
    reminiscent of the ex-communist approach to clients. Hungary makes no effort
    whatsoever, and still manages to keep the tourists happy.

    > c)tourist attractions, sites
    >

    UK, France, Italy, Germany, Czech Republic, Russia

    > d)cultural and scientific sites
    >

    UK, Germany and France again, but the Netherlands is worth a look. Of course
    Moscow is rich in this.

    > e)sports

    We don't have your American sports over here.

    Obviously Britain is the home of association football and rugby, and Greece is
    obviously the home of the Olympian sports

    >
    > f)culinary/ foods

    Italy and France, but again oddly the Netherlands is pretty good, and Greek
    food is pretty good also. I like Hungary for the food.

    >
    > g)good deals/prices

    It depends what, since some countries are cheaper in some areas and dearer in
    others. Buy your clothes and electric goods in the UK, but most other things in
    the East of Europe. Not Russia though, except furs and caviare.

    I would have thought you would have wanted to take in some of the greatest
    galleries of Europe during your tour. If you go to London you can see the great
    collections we have from plundering the world and stealing all their treasures,
    in Paris you will see a similar amount of work, you could then visit the low
    countries for sights connected with the Flemish school, try Venice, and then go
    to Poland to the fine collections in the royal castle, in Wilanow, and in the
    national gallery by Poniatowski bridge.

    You should at any rate try to go to the Tretyakowski in Moscow. It is a
    terrific gallery. My favorite painting hangs there.

    On the way back from Moscow to Poland, you could visit Katyn. I have. In all
    probability you will be, as I was, the only person there in a huge forest site.
    I was the only person at Treblinka as well when I went there.

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  • usaf 05.02.06, 16:13
    nice thread !
    girls PL, DK, Hun, Nl, F
    food PL, I
    biz depends
    cars Ita
    sports Ita, Esp,
    beach,
    windsurfing/sailing, GR, Esp, Ita, PL
    environment PL, the Med
    development who cares ?
  • usaf 05.02.06, 16:18
    food PL, Ita
  • marimax 05.02.06, 18:17
    Don't come to England unless you want to see a mini India or thousands of drunk
    women leaving pubs at closing time (and they look pretty only when you are drunk
  • usenetposts 05.02.06, 19:28

    marimax napisał:

    > Don't come to England unless you want to see a mini India or thousands of
    drunk
    >
    > women leaving pubs at closing time (and they look pretty only when you are
    drun
    > k


    The mini India isn't the problem. It's the mini Pakistan that's the problem.
    And no one is asking you to have an English girlfriend so not to worry if they
    are not to your taste.

    But if you do come to England, at least you will be allowed to work legally.
    Because we, like the Swedish and the Irish, have taken the commitment to this
    Europe seriously.

    That's gotta be worth something.

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  • hardenfelt 05.02.06, 19:53
    I would like to add that work permits to citizens of the new EU-countries are
    issued automatically in Denmark the moment You present a work contract with a
    salary that corresponds the normal minimum wage in the given area.

    This gives a little extra administration, but is supposed to avoid dumping and
    minimise black work (people working legally part time and black for the rest of
    the time.

    I do not agree with these restrictions, but anyway, the labour market is
    practically opened.
  • usenetposts 05.02.06, 20:10
    Michael skrev:

    > I would like to add that work permits to citizens of the new EU-countries are
    > issued automatically in Denmark the moment You present a work contract with a
    > salary that corresponds the normal minimum wage in the given area.
    >
    > This gives a little extra administration, but is supposed to avoid dumping
    and
    > minimise black work (people working legally part time and black for the rest
    of
    >
    > the time.
    >
    > I do not agree with these restrictions, but anyway, the labour market is
    > practically opened.

    Well, I'm glad to hear it, but you must admit that in that case they missed the
    chance of joining Sweden and Ireland and the UK in being openly ready to take
    East European labour from the word go.

    They probably would have ended up only with better quality people and a better
    reputation, but no greater number of incoming people as that realy depends on
    the volume of jobs available.

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  • waldek1610 06.02.06, 07:58
    usaf napisał:

    > nice thread !
    > girls PL, DK, Hun, Nl, F

    Yeah, the Dutch girls have that German accent that is "a killer"(and I'm not
    being sarcastic)...but they are much more beautifull than German ladies, The
    point is that this combination of beauty and rough tounge...is the bomb!!!


    > food PL, I

    I'm flatter, but yu got to give French the credit they diserve..

    > biz depends
    > cars Ita

    Well, Germany and Sweden are good as well.

    > sports Ita, Esp,
    > beach,
    > windsurfing/sailing, GR, Esp, Ita, PL

    Yes, the Mazurian Lakes can't be beat!

    > environment PL, the Med

    I think that only France has more varied natural enviroment than Poland...

    > development who cares ?

    Well, you don't unless you go to Albania or (what's that post Soviet Rep,
    Dniestr River Republic locked between Romania and the Ukraine called?)...I
    would say they have the worst development and infrastructure.


    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bartis_ervin 06.02.06, 09:40
    > Well, you don't unless you go to Albania or (what's that post Soviet Rep,
    > Dniestr River Republic locked between Romania and the Ukraine called?)...I
    > would say they have the worst development and infrastructure.

    It is locked between Moldova Repulic and Ukraine and it's called (in Moldovan)
    Transdniestria. Romania and the Moldovan Republic are two different states.

    Transdniestria is the place if you are looking for guns, not just SALW but any
    kind, missiles, anti-personal landmines, armoured personal carriers etc. Last
    year in January a BBC undercover reporter almost bought a couple hundred of
    missiles.

    Ervin

    Thebartiski.blogspot.com
  • waldek1610 06.02.06, 07:41
    usenetposts napisał:
    > waldek1610 napisał:

    > >Can you please rate top 3 countries in each category. In following
    > >categories;
    > > a)development, infrastructure

    > Probably Germany, Ireland, UK

    Agree!

    > > b)foreigner-friendliness,locals

    > Ireland is a very tourist friendly place, the Spanish and the Portuguese are
    > also good at it. Italy is very "take it or leave it" to tourists, and often
    > reminiscent of the ex-communist approach to clients. Hungary makes no effort
    > whatsoever, and still manages to keep the tourists happy.

    Oh, Dave, I realise that Poland can't compete with Western Europe with
    infrastructure, but somewhat I'm disapointed of you... because even most
    popular travel guides in USA give Poland highest marks in hospitality.


    > > c)tourist attractions, sites

    > UK, France, Italy, Germany, Czech Republic, Russia

    I agree for most part, but doesn't Poland has Zamek Krolewski, just like Brits
    have The Windsor Castle, better jet Poland has second Kings Castle in
    Krakow...Also I believe that Poland has bigger diversity of natural habitats
    and much wider array of different fauna and flora than Czech Rep or UK....How
    could you overlook that Dave?


    > > d)cultural and scientific sites

    > UK, Germany and France again, but the Netherlands is worth a look. Of course
    > Moscow is rich in this.

    Again, you're right, except one thing; Does Holland had its Copernicus, Maria
    Curie?

    > > e)sports

    > We don't have your American sports over here.
    > Obviously Britain is the home of association football and rugby, and Greece
    > is obviously the home of the Olympian sports

    Come on, give me a brake, what ever happened to Russian superiority in skating
    sports, Skandinavian and East Europeans in winter sports? Did you forgot?

    > > f)culinary/ foods

    > Italy and France, but again oddly the Netherlands is pretty good, and Greek
    > food is pretty good also. I like Hungary for the food.

    Thanks God you realize that beans, and egg doesn't do it for other Europeans
    and the Northern cusine in gereral is pretty blunt and can be classified in the
    same category as the Smoked Raindeer meet...

    > > g)good deals/prices

    > It depends what, since some countries are cheaper in some areas and dearer in
    > others. Buy your clothes and electric goods in the UK, but most other things
    > in the East of Europe. Not Russia though, except furs and caviare.

    Isn't UK very expensive as far as electronic equipment and other hi-tech goods
    are concerned?

    > I would have thought you would have wanted to take in some of the greatest
    > galleries of Europe during your tour. If you go to London you can see the
    > great collections we have from plundering the world and stealing all their
    > treasures,

    No kidding, I'm glad that you're started to notice that.....

    > in Paris you will see a similar amount of work, you could then visit the low
    > countries for sights connected with the Flemish school, try Venice, and then
    > go to Poland to the fine collections in the royal castle, in Wilanow, and in
    > the national gallery by Poniatowski bridge.

    And in the Museum of Polish Military, which is a part of National Museum in
    Warsaw..you can see the German Enigma codding machine which Polish inteligence
    has uncoded ...10 years becore Brit and US inteligence "broke it"....he he


    > You should at any rate try to go to the Tretyakowski in Moscow. It is a
    > terrific gallery. My favorite painting hangs there.

    Also Hermitiage in Saint Petersburg is worth seeing considering it is the
    second only gallery in Europe to...The Louvre.

    > On the way back from Moscow to Poland, you could visit Katyn. I have. In all
    > probability you will be,as I was, the only person there in a huge forest site.
    > I was the only person at Treblinka as well when I went there.

    Isn't in fact kind of reflecting how those tragedies were ignored by the
    Western World and Poles were left to die by its allies?
  • merlott 06.02.06, 09:40
    what??? food in th Netherlands???? Dave, I would be really grateful if you
    could say more about it. My experience is totally different.
  • usenetposts 06.02.06, 20:24
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > usenetposts napisał:
    > > waldek1610 napisał:
    >
    > > >Can you please rate top 3 countries in each category. In following
    > > >categories;
    > > > a)development, infrastructure
    >
    > > Probably Germany, Ireland, UK
    >
    > Agree!
    >
    > > > b)foreigner-friendliness,locals
    >
    > > Ireland is a very tourist friendly place, the Spanish and the Portuguese
    > are
    > > also good at it. Italy is very "take it or leave it" to tourists, and oft
    > en
    > > reminiscent of the ex-communist approach to clients. Hungary makes no eff
    > ort
    > > whatsoever, and still manages to keep the tourists happy.
    >
    > Oh, Dave, I realise that Poland can't compete with Western Europe with
    > infrastructure, but somewhat I'm disapointed of you... because even most
    > popular travel guides in USA give Poland highest marks in hospitality.
    >

    Lately the marks have been getting better. Poles are friendlier than most East
    Europeans, but believe you me, the Germans and the Dutch appear more attentive
    to their guests.

    And I was amazed in Zurich once at the friendliness of the Swiss, which I had
    always had down as a colder nation.

    >
    > > > c)tourist attractions, sites
    >
    > > UK, France, Italy, Germany, Czech Republic, Russia
    >
    > I agree for most part, but doesn't Poland has Zamek Krolewski, just like
    Brits

    I come onto that in the art section below. I explicitly mentioned it, Waldek.

    > have The Windsor Castle,

    I don't consider the Warsaw Royal castle as an authentic building as it is
    rebuilt. The art colloection there is the attraction, and it certainly is worth
    the visit.

    So I wouldn't compare it to Windsor Castle.

    > better jet Poland has second Kings Castle in
    > Krakow...Also I believe that Poland has bigger diversity of natural habitats
    > and much wider array of different fauna and flora than Czech Rep or UK....How
    > could you overlook that Dave?
    >

    You didn't ask about the flora and fauna. Otherwise I would certainly have
    mentioned Poland, but also Finland, Sweden, Hungary and Portugal.

    >
    > > > d)cultural and scientific sites
    >
    > > UK, Germany and France again, but the Netherlands is worth a look. Of cou
    > rse
    > > Moscow is rich in this.
    >
    > Again, you're right, except one thing; Does Holland had its Copernicus, Maria
    > Curie?

    You are kidding me, right?


    >
    > > > e)sports
    >
    > > We don't have your American sports over here.
    > > Obviously Britain is the home of association football and rugby, and Gree
    > ce
    > > is obviously the home of the Olympian sports
    >
    > Come on, give me a brake, what ever happened to Russian superiority in
    skating
    > sports, Skandinavian and East Europeans in winter sports? Did you forgot?

    OK, but I was thinking about it fromthe tourist perspective - are these sports
    geared up to the tourist? In Russia, not really. The muscovites are able to
    fill their stadia without too much outside help.


    >
    > > > f)culinary/ foods
    >
    > > Italy and France, but again oddly the Netherlands is pretty good, and Gre
    > ek
    > > food is pretty good also. I like Hungary for the food.
    >
    > Thanks God you realize that beans, and egg doesn't do it for other Europeans
    > and the Northern cusine in gereral is pretty blunt and can be classified in
    the
    >
    > same category as the Smoked Raindeer meet...

    They do have good fish dishes, and I am participle to the odd smorgasbord with
    glogg.

    >
    > > > g)good deals/prices
    >
    > > It depends what, since some countries are cheaper in some areas and deare
    > r in
    > > others. Buy your clothes and electric goods in the UK, but most other thi
    > ngs
    > > in the East of Europe. Not Russia though, except furs and caviare.
    >
    > Isn't UK very expensive as far as electronic equipment and other hi-tech
    goods
    > are concerned?
    >

    Not if you know where to shop. Go up the Tottenham Court Road, and see what you
    can find.


    > > I would have thought you would have wanted to take in some of the greates
    > t
    > > galleries of Europe during your tour. If you go to London you can see the
    > > great collections we have from plundering the world and stealing all thei
    > r
    > > treasures,
    >
    > No kidding, I'm glad that you're started to notice that.....

    Sure, but that's the only reason somebody didn't break or take it to their own
    private collection. At least these works are tended by profesional curators and
    are visible to the world.

    >
    > > in Paris you will see a similar amount of work, you could then visit the
    > low
    > > countries for sights connected with the Flemish school, try Venice, and t
    > hen
    > > go to Poland to the fine collections in the royal castle, in Wilanow, and
    > in
    > > the national gallery by Poniatowski bridge.
    >
    > And in the Museum of Polish Military, which is a part of National Museum in
    > Warsaw..you can see the German Enigma codding machine which Polish
    inteligence
    > has uncoded ...10 years becore Brit and US inteligence "broke it"....he he
    >

    10 years? I think not 10 years. Maybe 10 months.

    >
    > > You should at any rate try to go to the Tretyakowski in Moscow. It is a
    > > terrific gallery. My favorite painting hangs there.
    >
    > Also Hermitiage in Saint Petersburg is worth seeing considering it is the
    > second only gallery in Europe to...The Louvre.
    >

    Well, you cannot compete with the Holy Grail.

    > > On the way back from Moscow to Poland, you could visit Katyn. I have. In
    > all
    > > probability you will be,as I was, the only person there in a huge forest
    > site.
    > > I was the only person at Treblinka as well when I went there.
    >
    > Isn't in fact kind of reflecting how those tragedies were ignored by the
    > Western World and Poles were left to die by its allies?

    And there was me thinking that Britain declared war on Germany over the
    invasion of Poland...

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  • waldek1610 07.02.06, 00:07
    usenetposts napisał:

    > Lately the marks have been getting better. Poles are friendlier than most
    East
    > Europeans, but believe you me, the Germans and the Dutch appear more attentive
    > to their guests.

    Oh, Dave, you're one spoiled Britton I got to tell you! Its not enough for you
    that Polish or other Slav hosts you, care for you, serve you home made Slavic
    specialties..you want everybody to speak proper English for your convenience...


    > And I was amazed in Zurich once at the friendliness of the Swiss, which I had
    > always had down as a colder nation.

    I think that Western European are more able to treat foreign guests curtiously,
    as long as person has funds to spend, if someone is comming umpty handed, the
    love stops right there...

    > > > > d)cultural and scientific sites
    > >
    > > > UK, Germany and France again, but the Netherlands is worth a look.
    > > Again, you're right, except one thing; Does Holland had its Copernicus,
    > > Maria Curie?
    >
    > You are kidding me, right?

    No, I'm not joking. So would you be so nice and give me names of
    those :"famous" Dutch inventors or astronomers? Are you confusing the Dutch
    Sculptor who created Copernicus'es statue that now stands in Warsaw? But
    Copernicus is still Polish, ...it was the sculptor who was Dutch.

    I think you have to snap out of that "Anglo-Saxon" self admiration Dave, you
    have to learn the second part of European history (the Eastern European one)
    before you can make objective statement. It is not suprising that one English
    historian wrote a book; "Late Medieval Knights in Europe" without even
    bothering to mention one of the most extensive and most powerfull Polish
    Knights...To put it in a perspective it is like some sports historians in 22nd
    century wrote a book about European football of our time, never mentioning
    Italian football clubs...

    > > > On the way back from Moscow to Poland, you could visit Katyn. I hav
    > e. In
    > > all
    > > > probability you will be,as I was, the only person there in a huge f
    > orest
    > > site.
    > > > I was the only person at Treblinka as well when I went there.
    > >
    > > Isn't in fact kind of reflecting how those tragedies were ignored by the
    > > Western World and Poles were left to die by its allies?
    >
    > And there was me thinking that Britain declared war on Germany over the
    > invasion of Poland...

    It must have been really troublesome for English foreign office to send
    telegram to Berlin; IT IS THE WAR THAN! STOP.


    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • usenetposts 08.02.06, 16:11
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > usenetposts napisał:
    >
    > > Lately the marks have been getting better. Poles are friendlier than most
    >
    > East
    > > Europeans, but believe you me, the Germans and the Dutch appear more atte
    > ntive
    > > to their guests.
    >
    > Oh, Dave, you're one spoiled Britton I got to tell you! Its not enough for
    you
    > that Polish or other Slav hosts you, care for you, serve you home made Slavic
    > specialties..you want everybody to speak proper English for your
    convenience...

    I don't want any of them to, actually.

    But I have to say that the standard of hospitality varies greatly in Polish
    institutions. I don't suppose any western person would think much of the
    treatment I had in Hotel Katowice in Silesia yesterday morning, for example.

    I came into the breakfast room, and this female came up to me and said
    something very quiet, and I couldn't understand her, so I assumed that she was
    asking whether I wanted. I said "coffee please" and she then said "Jaki jest
    pana numer pokoju" - so I gave it to her. She then went off and started asking
    other people their room numbers and didn't bring me my coffee. I went to the
    breakfast buffet and all the hot items had been taken and not replenished, the
    glasses for juice where the size of glasses for a liqueuer, and there was a
    tiny array of cold meats and cheese to put on bread - but all the bread was
    sliced down the middle as well as along the loaf so that it was useless for
    proper sandwich making. This standard is simply not acceptable to the
    international tourist or the international business traveller.

    >
    >
    > > And I was amazed in Zurich once at the friendliness of the Swiss, which I
    > had
    > > always had down as a colder nation.
    >
    > I think that Western European are more able to treat foreign guests
    curtiously,
    > as long as person has funds to spend, if someone is comming umpty handed, the
    > love stops right there...
    >

    Do they push them off the walls as well?

    > > > > > d)cultural and scientific sites
    > > >
    > > > > UK, Germany and France again, but the Netherlands is worth a
    > look.
    > > > Again, you're right, except one thing; Does Holland had its Coperni
    > cus,
    > > > Maria Curie?
    > >
    > > You are kidding me, right?
    >
    > No, I'm not joking. So would you be so nice and give me names of
    > those :"famous" Dutch inventors or astronomers? Are you confusing the Dutch
    > Sculptor who created Copernicus'es statue that now stands in Warsaw? But
    > Copernicus is still Polish, ...it was the sculptor who was Dutch.


    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dutch_people#Science_and_technology

    >
    > I think you have to snap out of that "Anglo-Saxon" self admiration Dave, you
    > have to learn the second part of European history (the Eastern European one)
    > before you can make objective statement. It is not suprising that one English
    > historian wrote a book; "Late Medieval Knights in Europe" without even
    > bothering to mention one of the most extensive and most powerfull Polish
    > Knights...To put it in a perspective it is like some sports historians in
    22nd
    > century wrote a book about European football of our time, never mentioning
    > Italian football clubs...


    I don't think I'd be likely to forget about Poland since I live here. The
    historian making that point most loudly of all by the way is Norman Davies, and
    Englishman.

    >
    > > > > On the way back from Moscow to Poland, you could visit Katyn.
    > I hav
    > > e. In
    > > > all
    > > > > probability you will be,as I was, the only person there in a
    > huge f
    > > orest
    > > > site.
    > > > > I was the only person at Treblinka as well when I went there.
    > > >
    > > > Isn't in fact kind of reflecting how those tragedies were ignored b
    > y the
    > > > Western World and Poles were left to die by its allies?
    > >
    > > And there was me thinking that Britain declared war on Germany over the
    > > invasion of Poland...
    >
    > It must have been really troublesome for English foreign office to send
    > telegram to Berlin; IT IS THE WAR THAN! STOP.
    >

    Yes, because then the Blitz happened.
    But I suppose that's nothing, right?
    You're a bloody little ingrate, son, that's what you are.

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  • waldek1610 09.02.06, 08:26
    usenetposts napisał:

    > But I have to say that the standard of hospitality varies greatly in Polish
    > institutions. I don't suppose any western person would think much of the
    > treatment I had in Hotel Katowice in Silesia yesterday morning, for example.

    Dave, can you tell the difference between upscale establisment and the low end,
    discount hotel chains? That's clearly where you ended up...


    > I came into the breakfast room, and this female came up to me and said
    > something very quiet, and I couldn't understand her, so I assumed that she
    was
    > asking whether I wanted. I said "coffee please" and she then said "Jaki jest
    > pana numer pokoju" - so I gave it to her. She then went off and started
    asking
    > other people their room numbers and didn't bring me my coffee. I went to the
    > breakfast buffet and all the hot items had been taken and not replenished,
    the
    > glasses for juice where the size of glasses for a liqueuer, and there was a
    > tiny array of cold meats and cheese to put on bread - but all the bread was
    > sliced down the middle as well as along the loaf so that it was useless for
    > proper sandwich making. This standard is simply not acceptable to the
    > international tourist or the international business traveller.

    Maybe, you confused the receptionist with the barmaid? "Proper sandwich
    making" Are you kidding me Dave? Althoguh Earl Sandwich pioniered the "kanapka"
    sandwich, he would stuck piece of poultry meat between two pieces of uneven
    slices of bread....

    But seriously, did cutting the slice of bread in half made the "twoja kanapka"
    uningestible?

    > > > > > > d)cultural and scientific sites
    > > > >
    > > > > > UK, Germany and France again, but the Netherlands is wo
    > rth a
    > > look.
    > > > > Again, you're right, except one thing; Does Holland had its C
    > operni
    > > cus,
    > > > > Maria Curie?
    > > >
    > > > You are kidding me, right?

    > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dutch_people#Science_and_technology

    I looked through the list of Dutch scientist, inventors and astronomers and I
    have not seen any big names like :Edison, Watt, Newton, Copernicus, Curie.....
    I was hoping to see the names type of the statue of Marie Curie-Sklaodwska the
    polish scientist or much less....perheaps most famous world Astronomer Pole-
    Nicolaus Copernicus.

    > I don't think I'd be likely to forget about Poland since I live here. The
    > historian making that point most loudly of all by the way is Norman Davies,
    > and Englishman.

    Actually Norman Davies is Welsch, and knowing the importance of nationality in
    UK...I don't believe he would be flater to hear you make that mistake.


    > > It must have been really troublesome for English foreign office to send
    > > telegram to Berlin; IT IS THE WAR THAN! STOP.

    > Yes, because then the Blitz happened.
    > But I suppose that's nothing, right?
    > You're a bloody little ingrate, son, that's what you are.

    The British help provided to Poland was insignificant if compaired with
    assistance Polish exciled governement, inteligence and army provided to
    England... Read the "The question honour" or "The forgoten herous; Kosciuszko
    squadron"


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  • russh 10.02.06, 13:16
    > Actually Norman Davies is Welsch, and knowing the importance of nationality in
    > UK...I don't believe he would be flater to hear you make that mistake.

    Actually you are wrong. He was born in Bolton, in the north of England. Maybe
    you confused him with Carlos Santana or Jose Feliciano.

    > The British help provided to Poland was insignificant if compaired with
    > assistance Polish exciled governement, inteligence and army provided to
    > England... Read the "The question honour" or "The forgoten herous; Kosciuszko
    > squadron"

    Don't start again - remember that if Britian and her allies had not entered the
    war, you would not have been born.
  • usenetposts 10.02.06, 18:09
    russh napisał:

    > > Actually Norman Davies is Welsch, and knowing the importance of nationali
    > ty in
    > > UK...I don't believe he would be flater to hear you make that mistake.
    >
    > Actually you are wrong. He was born in Bolton, in the north of England. Maybe
    > you confused him with Carlos Santana or Jose Feliciano.
    >
    > > The British help provided to Poland was insignificant if compaired with
    > > assistance Polish exciled governement, inteligence and army provided to
    > > England... Read the "The question honour" or "The forgoten herous; Kosciu
    > szko
    > > squadron"
    >
    > Don't start again - remember that if Britian and her allies had not entered
    the
    > war, you would not have been born.

    Hear, hear!
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  • waldek1610 11.02.06, 07:58
    russh napisał:

    > > Actually Norman Davies is Welsch, and knowing the importance of nationality
    > > in UK...I don't believe he would be flater to hear you make that mistake.


    > Actually you are wrong. He was born in Bolton, in the north of England. Maybe
    > you confused him with Carlos Santana or Jose Feliciano.

    Russh,
    Norman Davies is Welsh, according to Norman Davies himslef. I saw his interview
    and remember him saying that. Perheaps you want to ask the source himself?

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  • russh 11.02.06, 09:50
    Maybe you are thinking of a different Norman Davies.
  • waldek1610 11.02.06, 11:13
    Russh,
    Just admit I'm right. I know this is hard for you an American, who doesn't sees
    the problem with calling the Champion of National Footbal League...a World
    Champion...ha ha
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  • russh 11.02.06, 12:22
    > Russh,
    > Just admit I'm right. I know this is hard for you an American, who doesn't sees
    >
    > the problem with calling the Champion of National Footbal League...a World
    > Champion...ha ha

    Firstly I am right - 'Sir Norman Davies (born June 8, 1939 in Bolton,
    Lancashire, England) is a British historian, noted for his publications on the
    history of Poland, Europe and the British Isles'. Check you memory cells again.

    Re me being an American, if you had a memory, you would have recalled calling me
    (correctly) a Englishman several times. You are the American Waldek, not I.

    Oh, forgot... ha ha
  • waldek1610 11.02.06, 13:11
    russh napisał:

    > > Russh,
    > > Just admit I'm right. I know this is hard for you an American, who doesn'
    > t sees
    > >
    > > the problem with calling the Champion of National Footbal League...a Worl
    > d
    > > Champion...ha ha
    >
    > Firstly I am right - 'Sir Norman Davies (born June 8, 1939 in Bolton,
    > Lancashire, England) is a British historian, noted for his publications on the
    > history of Poland, Europe and the British Isles'. Check you memory cells
    again.

    For your information there's 4 nationalities that comprise Britain; English,
    Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irland(Loyalists) not counting immigrants. Of
    course Davies is British historian but his nationality is Welsh. Check again
    and don't argue with me, cause you embarrasing yourself.



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  • russh 11.02.06, 13:44
    Prove to me where he was born Waldek. I have given you on my previous post his
    birthplace. Please don't err again, and don't try and teach me about Britain,
    because you'll lose.
  • bluteau 11.02.06, 14:54
    Russh is right, Waldek.

    I checked a few sources and they all say that Norman Davies was born in Bolton,
    Lancashire, ENGLAND.

    Now how is it, in that funny little head of yours, that someone born in England
    (in Bolton, Lancashire to be exact) could be Welsh?
  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 06:33
    bluteau napisała:

    > Russh is right, Waldek.
    >
    > I checked a few sources and they all say that Norman Davies was born in
    Bolton,
    > Lancashire, ENGLAND.
    >
    > Now how is it, in that funny little head of yours, that someone born in
    England
    > (in Bolton, Lancashire to be exact) could be Welsh?

    If Norman Davies himself says clearly that he is Welsh....well, he must know
    better who he is....right? So what that he was born in England, it might be the
    result of his parents temporary carriere move or other circumstances, if he's
    familly is from Walles and he feels connection with the Walles...he has right
    to call himself Welsh.

    So what Bruce Lee was born in San Francisco USA...if it was the result of his
    mother accompanying Bruce's father (who was also an actor)she give birth to
    Bruce and the familly returned to China shortly after....Therefore the
    birthplace doesn't really matter, because many US military families have kids
    when deployed in Japan or Germany...but it doesn't mean that the son the white
    couple is... Japanesse just because the baby is born in Japan..


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  • bluteau 12.02.06, 09:23
    Well, I searched further on this subject.

    The only Welsh connection I've been able to find is that his father was possibly
    Welsh, but not both his parents. None the less, he was born and raised in England.

    Here we may conclude that Norman Davies possibly identifies himself with his
    father's nationality.




  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 10:59
    bluteau napisała:

    > Well, I searched further on this subject.
    >
    > The only Welsh connection I've been able to find is that his father was
    possibl
    > y
    > Welsh, but not both his parents. None the less, he was born and raised in
    Engla
    > nd.
    >
    > Here we may conclude that Norman Davies possibly identifies himself with his
    > father's nationality.

    Well, thank you!


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  • bluteau 12.02.06, 11:16
    For what?
  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 11:17
    For admitting, although reluctantly that you were wrong...
  • bluteau 12.02.06, 11:39
    I did no such thing.

    If you had bothered to read my post carefully, you would have noticed that I
    used the word "possibly" (twice even). Davies father was POSSIBLY Welsh (the
    sources from the net do not confirm this). Davies POSSIBLY identifies himself
    with his father's POSSIBLE Welsh nationality.

    At this point Waldek, it's your word against what can be found on the net. For
    all I know, you were wrong in saying he's Welsh and made up the interview you
    saw/listened to to cover your ass.
  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 12:01
    I have read Norman Davies "Europe", and happen to be see his interview on
    Polish TV.

    Not only Norman Davies said he was Welsh, he also said that the can relate to
    the Polish partision and foreign occupation, because as Welsh he knows how his
    own nation has suffered under British Imperial Rule (read;English). I don't
    need to make up things because I know this from the source itself.



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  • bluteau 12.02.06, 12:06
    I have also read a few of his publications.

    Interestingly enough, the only sources that happened to suggest he might be
    Welsh were Polish ones, and they themeselves were rather "zakłopotani" with him
    being born in Bolton and the supposed Welsh connection.
  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 12:14
    Perheaps, he does that out of political correctnes, not wanting to turn English
    establishment against him, and he only admits it half-openly when he is not
    likely to lose any of his prestige.
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  • bartis_ervin 06.02.06, 09:52

    I would really recommend Georgia, Albania, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova,
    Montenegro. All of them are extremely interesting places, where you can find
    small miracles hard to find in the more developed European countries. Most have
    great mountains (Georgia's Elbrus: 5642m) great food and amazing wine.

    Amongst more developed countries I would really recommend Slovenia. I lived
    there for a while, so I explored quite much. Food and wine are great, especially
    the dry red Terran in the Prekmurje region. Ljubljana is simply like a small
    jewel. You have great nature, seaside where almost everybody speaks Italian, and
    you can cross to Trieste, where you can allow yourself to talk Slovene.
    The infrastructure is extremely developed: it has 4-5 times more highways than
    Poland and it is a country of 2 milion!
    The negative side of Slovenia is that it is not cheap anymore. Prices are more
    like Austrian/French prices.

    Ervin

    Thebartiski.blogspot.com
  • waldek1610 06.02.06, 11:05
    bartis_ervin napisał:

    > I would really recommend Georgia, Albania, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova,
    > Montenegro. All of them are extremely interesting places, where you can find
    > small miracles hard to find in the more developed European countries.

    What small miracles? Do you have in mind "miracle" such as possibility of
    having your jeans stollen right off your body without even realising who robbed
    you, while you were strolling streets of Tirana or Buckarest?


    > Amongst more developed countries I would really recommend Slovenia.
    > The infrastructure is extremely developed: it has 4-5 times more highways than
    > Poland and it is a country of 2 milion!

    Yeah, and its 5-10 times smaller as well....I guess it's much easier to build
    100 miles of highways...than 10000!

    > The negative side of Slovenia is that it is not cheap anymore. Prices are more
    > like Austrian/French prices.

    The other drawback to Slovenia would be that it is a size of Luxemburg....and
    all it can count on is to make money of second class travelers who can't afford
    Venecia...so they jump the border and have a generic version of old town on
    Adriatic in Triest or Lubliana...

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    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bartis_ervin 06.02.06, 12:12

    If you ask for advice and somebody takes the energy to write you 10 lines, at
    least don't make fun of it.

    You seem that kind of tourist which is mentioned in Bertolucci's "Sheltering
    Sky" by Malkovich: the one that barely waits to get home and during travelling
    draws the conclusion that where I live is still the best. When he/she gets home
    can tells all friends how barbarian are the others, and how cool are "we".

    Slovenia is not really the size of Luxembourg. Please check! And also check the
    GDP/capita. To build one km of highway is the same everywhere. Except the costs
    which, are higher in Slovenia than in Poland . When I said about the highways
    in Slovenia I meant that for each 100 km of Polish highway, Slovenia has 400-500 km.

    You talk about the about the supremacy and importance of Eastern Europe, but I
    am sure that you'll visit London, Paris and Firenze and that'll be your tour.

    Sorry but you cannot even spell Bucharest.. If you heard of Mircea Cartarescu,
    Eliade (who by the way was teaching in the city where you live), Ionesco,
    Brancusi, Tristan Tzara, Emil Cioran, then you would have an idea what kind of
    miracles you can find. I am sure it is less likely to get mugged in Bucharest
    than in Chicago.

    Based on your answer, you don't seem at all somebody who grow up in Europe. Or
    maybe you skipped geography lessons..
    "Venecia" What is this? Venezia in Italian, Venice in English.
    Please buy a map..

    Ervin

    Thebartiski.blogspot.com
  • waldek1610 06.02.06, 12:48
    bartis_ervin napisał:

    > Sorry but you cannot even spell Bucharest.. If you heard of Mircea Cartarescu,
    > Eliade (who by the way was teaching in the city where you live), Ionesco,
    > Brancusi, Tristan Tzara, Emil Cioran, then you would have an idea what kind of
    > miracles you can find.

    Are you out of your mind? Do you seriously believe that every one out of 3
    milion Chicagoans (and I'm not because I live in the far suburbs) going to know
    some Romanian ...teachers? Give me a brake!


    > I am sure it is less likely to get mugged in Bucharest than in Chicago.

    In Chicago (at least I never heard off) there's no criminals who would think of
    blocking the highways with a livestock, in order to force the Semi-trailers to
    stop, and robb it...something that happens in Romania quite a lot.


    > Based on your answer, you don't seem at all somebody who grow up in Europe. Or
    > maybe you skipped geography lessons..
    > "Venecia" What is this? Venezia in Italian, Venice in English.
    > Please buy a map..

    You remind me that middle aged Romanian University Professor who lived in US,
    and who I had a "chance" to meet at the NATO exercirses, as we both worked as
    translators... he was doing same job translating military documents and
    training manuals.

    I will never forget how arrogant and big-headed this guy was, because few times
    me and few other Polish Marines were trying to make conversation with him, he
    would say; "I'm OK, but I have no time to talk with you and please don't bother
    me again"...

    I swear I never before met anybody that arrogant, he would look down on us,
    fixing his glasses and readjusting his pocket protector full of pens and
    pencils. What's ironic, is that he was doing exactly same job as we were.

    And at one occasion that he would talk to us, he was saying something about
    Romanian lanugage being related to French and the way he said that indicated
    clearly that he fought of himslelf as someone with better pedigree...


    PS. I was willing to excause myslef for making remarks about having pants
    stolen in Bucharest....but when I read second part of your post, I hanged my
    mind.
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  • bartis_ervin 06.02.06, 13:31

    > Are you out of your mind? Do you seriously believe that every one out of 3
    > milion Chicagoans (and I'm not because I live in the far suburbs) going to know
    >
    > some Romanian ...teachers? Give me a brake!

    He wasn't some Romanian teacher, the Chicago University's "History of religions"
    faculty bears his name.
    Don't flatter youself, I've never imagined that you might heard of him. As far
    as I know, his works weren't included in the curricula for the US Army.

    > In Chicago (at least I never heard off) there's no criminals who would think of
    >
    > blocking the highways with a livestock, in order to force the Semi-trailers to
    > stop, and robb it...something that happens in Romania quite a lot.

    Where you ever in Romania? How do you know it happens quite a lot? Send me links
    to articles. Please! I am dying to know from you about the place where I lived
    for 18 years.
    Newflash: Romania is likely to join EU in less than 1 year. If what you've
    mentioned above would happen "quite a lot" you think Romania would join?

    One thing is sure: you cannot even spell out Bucharest (in your version
    Buckarest) and think that Moldova is the same country as Romania.
    On the other hand, you don't know how to spell Venezia.
    I don't know why I am trying to have a normal debate with you..
    Some here already learned how to ignore. I have to learn how to do this.

    Ervin

    Thebartiski.blogspot.com
  • waldek1610 06.02.06, 23:37
    I feel no need to "flatter" myself...frankly I'm not Romanian.

    Besides it is ironic how people who literaly share their homes with chickens,
    and other livestock can be found wandering around their national capital....
    are one of the most stuck up in Europe.. Yes that is you Bartis.

    Don't make such "European" out of yourself..if in fact your country is not much
    more advanced than Albania...
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  • bart_canada 07.02.06, 09:04
    Some fucking God's gift to Europe? I'd say Poland is not much more advanced
    than Romania and you, sure as hell, ain't European either, how about that?
  • bartis_ervin 07.02.06, 18:42

    In fact he is not European anymore. According to him being far from Poland is
    better than being close because this way his nationalism doesn't get "corrupted".

    Poland is more advanced than Romania, no doubt about this, but the difference is
    not so big. Poland's GDP/capita is $12.700 while Romania's 8.300.
    On the other hand, in 2005 the Romanian economy grew 5,2% while Poland's 3,3%.

    Ervin

    Thebartiski.blogspot.com
  • bart_canada 07.02.06, 19:17
    Hi Ervin. I don't care whether Poland or Romania or Iceland is more advanced or
    whatever, just wanted to show this primitive white trash that someone can
    always claim superiority over someone. Trying to portray himself as 'better' is
    particularly ludicrous in his case - it's been a long time since I read so much
    bullshit and so poor English ('umpty' anyone?). Take care there, bud.
  • bluteau 07.02.06, 13:38
    I strongly feel that what Waldek wrote in this little exchange with Ervin about
    Romania should be sufficient grounds to ban him from this forum. He has really
    gone too far. His last post (above) is nothing more than hate propaganda; I'm
    not going to buy into his "just being honest and giving my opinion" bullshit
    this time. Dave, you've got to do something.
  • ms.jones 07.02.06, 18:22
    I'll second that. Ethnic abuse is crossing so many lines.

    I hope this forum doesn't stoop to the lowest common denominator in abuse and
    counter abuse. It may be fun for Waldek 1610 but I doubt it serves any useful
    purpose. Moustache or no moustache he deserves a red card especially as Ervin
    has been nothing but courteous and friendly towards him.
  • bartis_ervin 07.02.06, 18:34

    No, I don't think that he should be banned. Banning him probably would solve
    many things, but it would be against my principles. The only way to silence
    Waldo is ignoring him, which I have to learn how to do.
    On the other hand, he is addicted to this kind of "cyber stalking", so he needs
    his fix.

    I don't take it to heart was he was saying, it just upsets me how you can
    criticize something you didn't even see or experience.
    Especially I don't take it to heart from Waldek.

    Ervin

    Thebartiski.blogspot.com
  • bluteau 07.02.06, 19:52
    Well, I'm glad you didn't take offence Ervin, but even so.
    Waldek's posts are turning into pure slander. He's no longer pretending to
    criticise, he's spreading filth.
    The next thing you know he'll be telling us that the holocaust never
    happened...And it would be a darn shame if Dave let it go that far.
  • usenetposts 08.02.06, 14:56
    bluteau napisała:

    > Well, I'm glad you didn't take offence Ervin, but even so.
    > Waldek's posts are turning into pure slander. He's no longer pretending to
    > criticise, he's spreading filth.
    > The next thing you know he'll be telling us that the holocaust never
    > happened...And it would be a darn shame if Dave let it go that far.

    Holocaust denial and Anti-Semitism as well as blasphemy and illegality are
    things that I will certainly remove for. If anything like that happens,please
    bring it to my attention.

    When we reviewed Waldek's posts in the referendum about banning him, nobody
    could find such serious matters in his posts, and so he was invited to
    continue, although almost half the paricipants did vote against him.


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  • waldek1610 09.02.06, 07:02
    bluteau napisała:

    > The next thing you know he'll be telling us that the holocaust never
    > happened...And it would be a darn shame if Dave let it go that far.

    You wish.. You know my stand on Polands history, and I would be last person to
    post such things. Next time if you are going to make any statements make sure
    they are accurate.


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  • usenetposts 08.02.06, 15:05
    bluteau napisała:

    > I strongly feel that what Waldek wrote in this little exchange with Ervin
    about
    > Romania should be sufficient grounds to ban him from this forum. He has really
    > gone too far. His last post (above) is nothing more than hate propaganda; I'm
    > not going to buy into his "just being honest and giving my opinion" bullshit
    > this time. Dave, you've got to do something.

    All he did was show his ignorance about Romania, and since Romania is not a
    country that needs any special defending against such ridiculous accusations I
    don't think we even need to treat that comment seriously enough to ban it.

    "...share their homes with chickens and then wander around the city center",
    indeed! That's a sort of "your father smells of elderberries" insult that
    belongs on Monty Python rather than in the canon of things that can possibly
    upset us.

    Ervin can handle stuff like this with his little finger. If Ervin wishes me to
    go back to the banning question over it we can, but I would have thought Ervin
    would be laughing at it. I know I do when Waldmeistergeschmackboy says silly
    things about my country.

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  • bartis_ervin 07.02.06, 18:18

    Dear Waldo,

    first of all I am not Romanian, but for your sake I can become Romanian. Looks
    like geography and history are not either in the Army curricula.
    The livestock thing is even under your level. But oksmile prove it!

    And by the way my nation and your nation at a certain point in history had the
    same king.

    Bartis is my family name, but as we are friends you can call me Ervin.

    Definitely I am more European than you. By the way, how many languages you speak?
    While you are in Europe remember to visit also the country which is in your
    heart. I don't know when you felt last time the great space, the wind in
    Bieszczady, or touched a rock on the Tatry. Well, in fact I wonder if you ever
    did this..

    Ervin

    Thebartiski.blogspot.com
  • waldek1610 09.02.06, 07:48
    Bartis,
    Looks like the American Military branches are not in the Romanian Universities
    curricula either; can you tell difference between US Amry and US Marines?

    One's Europeaness is not measured solely by how many languages one can speak.
    Being multilingual, doesn't makes you more European than those that speak 2 or
    even one language, since most Europeans speak only their one language...

    I understand that under Nicolae Caucescu brutal regime Romanian elite was
    reduced to solely to so called "inteligensia" which were impoverished but which
    were proud do maintain its Europeaness by its "schollar and university
    profesor" identity. And I salulte them for being strong enough to accomplish
    that, in face of Communist brutal regime.

    It was not my intention to offend you Ervin, quite the opposite. I brought up
    the story about the Romanian profesor who I met at the NATO Excercises, to
    illustrate that the knowlege and your University schollar credentials,
    sometimes makes people think of themselves as superior, and it was clearly a
    deal with that one "stuck up profesor" I met.

    I was hoping you are going to pick up that subject...Although I believe that
    people form University circles are of course inteligent, some also happen to be
    really full of vanity and arrogance, and I'm sorry to say but I noticed that so
    called "Romanian Schollars" tend to lead the way in this attitude, right next
    to people from India, who also come from the impoverished provinces of their
    country.

    But I see the source of this phenomena in the fact that Romanians realise that
    like many Eastern Europeans they can't compete in economics so they feel the
    need to excell in at least one area, so they cling to their inteligence in
    quest for respect.

    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bartis_ervin 09.02.06, 11:50
    "can you tell difference between US Amry and US Marines"
    Can you tell the difference between US Army and US Amry?

    "One's Europeaness is not measured solely by how many languages one can speak."
    No, it's not. It was just a simple question: how many languages do you speak?

    "It was not my intention to offend you Ervin, quite the opposite."
    Well, you hid your intention quite well. What you said is extremely offensive.
    Too bad I didn't take it to heart.

    > But I see the source of this phenomena in the fact that Romanians realise that
    > like many Eastern Europeans they can't compete in economics so they feel the
    > need to excell in at least one area, so they cling to their inteligence in
    > quest for respect.

    As I wrote in one of my previous posts, Poland's GDP/capita is around $12.000,
    while Romania's is a bit above $8.000. Romania's economy last year grew 5.2%
    while the Polish 3.3%. I am not a specialists but what I read I that the
    Romanian economy will do great in the next years. I advise you to check with
    your sources.

    Your note is conciliatory and not offensive this time but you do use your usual
    stereotypes: how can you say Romanians realise, Romanians cling, feel that they
    cannot excel? How many Romanians you've met? How many times you visited the
    country? Romania's population is not only comprised of an old general who pissed
    you off.

    "the story about the Romanian profesor who I met at the NATO Excercises, to
    illustrate that the knowlege and your University schollar credentials,
    sometimes makes people think of themselves as superior"
    And you think that this is something typical Romanian? You make me laughsmile

    I already know your gourgeous opinion about African Americans, the Hispanic
    community in the US, Anglo-saxons, Germans and Romanians. I wonder who will be
    next...?

    And I am Romanian just for the sake of these posts, otherwise I am Hungarian
    from Romania. You know, Trianon treaty..

    Ervin

    Thebartiski.blogspot.com
  • waldek1610 09.02.06, 12:48
    bartis_ervin napisał:

    > "can you tell difference between US Amry and US Marines"
    > Can you tell the difference between US Army and US Amry?

    Can you tell the difference between typo and illiteracy? But as we were able
    to prove it earlier, the only area in which you can excell is education and you
    cling to it. That's why you're desperatelly looking for typos, bad gramatical
    errors, anything really to prove you are conceited "Romanian profesor" type...


    > "One's Europeaness is not measured solely by how many languages one can
    speak."
    > No, it's not. It was just a simple question: how many languages do you speak?

    Who cares how many languages you can speak Ervin, is that all you have a
    reasons to be proud of? Come on, your constant bragging and showing of your
    expertise ine every field is ridiculous and rather missleading, because your
    knowleage is in fact not that extensive at all, which he had a chance to find
    out by now.

    > "It was not my intention to offend you Ervin, quite the opposite."
    > Well, you hid your intention quite well. What you said is extremely offensive.
    > Too bad I didn't take it to heart.

    Well, you wouldn't call it "extremally offensive" if id didn't hurt your
    feelings.

    > > But I see the source of this phenomena in the fact that Romanians realise
    > that
    > > like many Eastern Europeans they can't compete in economics so they feel
    > the
    > > need to excell in at least one area, so they cling to their inteligence in
    > > quest for respect.
    >
    > As I wrote in one of my previous posts, Poland's GDP/capita is around $12.000,
    > while Romania's is a bit above $8.000. Romania's economy last year grew 5.2%
    > while the Polish 3.3%. I am not a specialists but what I read I that the
    > Romanian economy will do great in the next years. I advise you to check with
    > your sources.

    Growth is not indicative of economic development, it might be the result of
    negative growth a year before.


    > Your note is conciliatory and not offensive this time but you do use your
    usual
    > stereotypes: how can you say Romanians realise, Romanians cling, feel that
    they
    > cannot excel? How many Romanians you've met? How many times you visited the
    > country? Romania's population is not only comprised of an old general who
    pisse
    > d
    > you off.

    It was not a general but some romanian profesor from University in Virginia who
    was conceited and acting like we was a knowlege God....he mush have been really
    insecure guy trying to prove that he was so smart that he would not even waste
    his time speaking to other military interpretors who where there... Thats all I
    wanted to tell you, and because I met you and other Romanian...(needles to say)
    arrogant profesor types, you really convinced me that this is no coincidence.

    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bartis_ervin 09.02.06, 13:20

    I am looking for typos the same way you were looking for typos in, for example,
    Dave's posts. By the way, why you have typos in each one of your sentences?

    "bad gramatical errors"
    Sorry, but you are asking for itsmile Are there good gramatical errors?
    This is not a typo, this is pure logic.

    I am not bragging about my language skills. Here there people who have better
    skills than me. I swear to you, it is not a trick question, I am just curious:
    please share with me, how many languages do you speak?

    "Well, you wouldn't call it "extremally offensive" if id didn't hurt your
    feelings."
    Well, it's just because I am not able to take seriously what you say.

    "your constant bragging and showing of your expertise ine every field is
    ridiculous and rather missleading"
    I do admit that the only field where I have expertise is luuuvvvvvsmile
    And once this love will materialise in a small being, who will have, amongst
    others, Polish citizenship and while you are gone we'll take over Polandsmile

    I feel luv even for you Waldek, but a different kind of luvsmile

    Ervin

    Thebartiski.blogspot.com
  • waldek1610 10.02.06, 07:53
    bartis_ervin napisał:

    > I am not bragging about my language skills.

    Then, why are you constantly bring up this subject? You would not do this if
    your intention was not to prove everybody, you speak more languages than
    Waldek...Ervin, I suspect you're going to say you can speak everything from the
    Armenian language to Old Greek and other dead languages...

    > Here there people who have better skills than me. I swear to you, it is not a
    > trick question, I am just curious: please share with me, how many languages
    > do you speak?

    So you are implying that although you speak 8 languages, there are people who
    speak 12 and more.... Can you give me the list of those Romanian and Indian
    profesors please?

    And that makes me an idiot who can only speak fluently the English and Polish
    language, Russian 50/50 and other Slavic languages to lesser degree....

    You should snap out of this multilingal, IQ craze Ervin, it would be nice if
    you realised that great majority of Europeans for that matter speak only one
    language fluently. Of course there's small persentage that are bilingual or
    multilingual, but the standart is 1 language,and some basic( major language)


    My point is that this is not important, because if it was I'm sure Romanian
    prime minister would try to convince President Bush, that he is more educated
    and smarter than him, but I guess he's smarter than that knowing that
    individuals knowlege means nothing unless its implemented.

    Therefore you can bragg all you want about your extensive education, but
    remember that people always look at you in the context of your economic
    accomplisments, and as long as it is rather shaby you better be quiet.


    > I do admit that the only field where I have expertise is luuuvvvvvsmile
    > And once this love will materialise in a small being, who will have, amongst
    > others, Polish citizenship and while you are gone we'll take over Polandsmile

    Have a ball Ervin, I'm sure you're going to take over Poland with your gulash
    and paprika, I seriously doubt anybody can withstand that stuff smile

    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bluteau 10.02.06, 11:28
    >And that makes me an idiot who can only speak fluently the English

    Ha, ha ,ha! Good one Waldek!
  • bartis_ervin 11.02.06, 11:22

    I just asked a number Waldek. It's enough to say 2, or 2.5 or 3.
    Too much explanation gives the feeling that you have a minority complex.
    Imagine, I was just curious and had no other intention.

    The rest is the same old, boring, boring, boring...

    Ervin

    Thebartiski.blogspot.com
  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 06:38
    Ervin,
    ..you should rather say; "the rest is all too painfull, for me to admit" smile
  • bluteau 12.02.06, 09:23
    "painful" is written with one "l" wink
  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 10:58
    you're such a nerd!
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bluteau 12.02.06, 11:42
    Jestem kujonem?

    I admit, I've always done well in school, especially in language subjects. But I
    wouldn't call myself a nerd. More appropriately here would be to say that I can
    spell.
  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 12:11
    and better spelling is your only strong side?

    It is a fact, that Tony Blair almost certainly can spell better than George
    Bush, yet nobody dismisses American President because of his bad language
    skills...

    But here on internet many people pray on others typos or other mistakes.
    Therefore you trying divert my attention from your lack of knowledge on Dorman
    Davies, claiming that I can't be right, because...... I just made a typo.

    Oh, so childish!
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bluteau 12.02.06, 12:32
    No, I have many qualities actually. The fact that someone should be able to
    spell properly is obvious to me. But then again, you live in a nation with the
    highest rate of illiteracy, that harbours isolated communities of immigrants who
    after 40 years of living in the States can't speak a word of English.

    The majority of the sensible world (and no, not the "anglo-saxon" fairytale
    kingdom of yours) considers Bush a buffoon. He's also a red-neck country-bumpkin.

    I don't prey on other people's mistakes and I wasn't trying to divert your
    attention from my equal knowledge of Norman Davies, nor did I say "Waldek,
    you're wrong about Davies because you didn't spell that properly". And tell me
    Waldek, what kind of game are you trying to play with Ervin? Haven't you
    attemted to correct him in a mocking way? Haven't you mockingly corrected a few
    people on this forum when they wrote something in Polish? Widzę Waldku, że to co
    jest dobre dla Ciebie nie jest dla wszystkich.
  • waldek1610 13.02.06, 08:02
    Bluteau,
    As I can recall you said you were Canadian citizen, and since Canada just got
    its new republican covernement...I think you don't represent majority of
    Canadians who by now are simply sick of the liberal and leftist propaganda, and
    they now they tend to lean more towards Geroge Bush ideals rather than the
    libelral ones.
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bartis_ervin 13.02.06, 08:53
    "its new republican covernement..."
    "towards Geroge Bush ideals rather than the libelral ones."

    Not just typos Waldo, but grammar too..
    I guess you were quite emotional talking about Bush. Pull yourself together man.
    So, you like Bush! Don't worrysmile you can join the anglo-saxon club.

    Ervin

    Thebartiski.blogspot.com
  • russh 13.02.06, 09:54
    Hey Ervin, I'm in the Anglo-Saxon club (I think), am liberal (small 'l') -
    Waldek needs to look-up the definition of liberal - and right-wing. I do not
    like Bush, or what he stands for. I think that his foreign-policy record is the
    worst of any US president that I can remember, and his economic record will be
    paid for by generations of Americans to come.

    I would not accept Waldek or Bush in my Anglo-Saxon club thank you very much!

    You are welcomed, with open arms.
  • waldek1610 13.02.06, 12:00
    Thankfully, it is not for you to judge George Bush's presidency, because he was
    not elected to look for Europeans' best interest after all smile
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bluteau 13.02.06, 12:06
    Poland's neither. But what should you care, right? You're sitting nice and snug
    in America...
  • waldek1610 13.02.06, 12:20
    I care because after all I have dual citizenship. And I'm certainly happy that
    both American and Polish presidents are conservative and religious smile

    If you want to be leaded by a liberal, feminist or gay loving and atheist
    president, you should move to Netherlands or Spain....
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bluteau 13.02.06, 13:09
    You've written the same things time and time again.

    According to you, it appears that anyone who isn't conservative and Catholic
    (religious - that's a new more general term you've employed) means they're gay,
    lesbian, feminist and/or socialist. Can't you be a little more creative (I'd
    prefer realistic, but I know you have your own special brand of reality)?
    You must live in a really boring undiversified world if all the people you run
    into are either Catholic (religious) conservatives or gay, lesbian, feminist
    socialists.
  • russh 13.02.06, 16:34
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > Thankfully, it is not for you to judge George Bush's presidency, because he was
    >
    > not elected to look for Europeans' best interest after all smile

    My problem is that his decisions effect the whole world. The first people that will be paying for
    generations for his poor performance are the Americans, followed by the rest of us that didn't have the
    chance to say no..
  • waldek1610 14.02.06, 23:49
    It might be that thanks to leaders like Bush the World will not be turned into
    islamist empire. It seems that Europe is now under serious treat of being
    overrun by rageing Islamists....I obviously hope that European states chose
    presidents such Bush or Kaczynski.
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • russh 15.02.06, 01:32
    They should both be sent to Iran.

    Both are extremist, like the 'Islamists'. Put them all together, and let them
    fight it out. It'll save a fortune in lives and money.
  • ianek70 15.02.06, 13:21
    russh napisał:

    > They should both be sent to Iran.
    >
    > Both are extremist, like the 'Islamists'. Put them all together, and let them
    > fight it out. It'll save a fortune in lives and money.

    Quite right.
    There was an article in Nasz Dziennik at the weekend about how there's no "war
    of civilisations" between Europe and the Muslim world, but a war between modern
    secularism and insane medieval religious extremists like Radio Maryja and Al-
    Qaeda.
    I would agree with that analysis, but I think they're a bit naive thinking
    they're going to win.
  • russh 15.02.06, 17:02
    No one is going to win!

    I think some form of war is inevitable (its probably already started), and who
    is losing? As normal, us ordinary folk the world over, who couldn't give a shite
    about someone else's religion, don't ram it down somebody else's throat, and
    want to go about our normal lives.
  • ianek70 15.02.06, 17:19
    russh napisał:

    > No one is going to win!
    >
    > I think some form of war is inevitable (its probably already started), and who
    > is losing? As normal, us ordinary folk the world over, who couldn't give a
    shit
    > e
    > about someone else's religion, don't ram it down somebody else's throat, and
    > want to go about our normal lives.

    Religion, by its very nature, can't be defended by logic, common sense or any
    form of rational argument, so they always turn to censorship and violence.
    I just hope enough people have learned something from the last 2000 years of
    history, and that that we can fight back this time.
  • russh 16.02.06, 00:15
    My fear is that your hope is lost.

    Once again religious bigotry has been in the mixer with megalomaniacs, and this
    time dosed with a bit of oil.

    The difference from previous conflicts is the destructive power of the arms at
    the disposal of these idiots.

  • marimax 06.02.06, 11:05
    Man do you work for an english propaganda office ?
    Do you think all Polish people are stupid ?
    England did not open it's labour markets because England loves Europe and
    wanted to help.
    England needs people to perform work no Englishman will take.
    I don't know official statistics but I bet you 80% of all Poles work in such
    jobs making 5-6 pounds an hour.
  • russh 06.02.06, 16:50
    > Do you think all Polish people are stupid ?

    No. Only you.
  • rychonyc2 07.02.06, 17:39
    Not to take away anything from good old Europe, but for real fun come to Latin
    America. Especially now, it's a dry season, 85F on the average, hardly any
    rain. And those women, geeeee, these women....Off to Costa Rica next week,
    unfortunately accompanied by my gf, won't b able to do much in that department,
    but to all of u "singles" I strongly recommend it...Later.
  • marimax 07.02.06, 20:06
    Yes I agree with you but instead of Costa Rica I would recommend Venezuela or
    Colombia
  • rychonyc2 07.02.06, 22:07
    Both beatiful countries, but dangerous to travel there...Gringos like us are
    easy to spot in the crowd...Costa Rica is safe for the most part and you don't
    have to worry about being abducted or mugged. Ticos are nice, friendly ( I
    would like to highlight FRIENDLY)courteous people who realize that their
    country's economy depends on tourism. And seafood, the best in the world!!!
  • hrydz 07.02.06, 14:21
    a)development, infrastructure - Germany

    b)foreigner-friendliness,locals - former Yugoslavia

    c)tourist attractions, sites - France

    d)cultural and scientific sites - France, Italy, UK

    e)sports - Germany, UK

    f)culinary/ foods - Italy

    g)good deals/prices - East Europe
  • waldek1610 09.02.06, 08:31
    Quite frankly, think that Eastern and Central Europe has much more to offer
    than just "good deals and low prices". Open your eyes man!


    hrydz napisał:

    > a)development, infrastructure - Germany
    >
    > b)foreigner-friendliness,locals - former Yugoslavia
    >
    > c)tourist attractions, sites - France
    >
    > d)cultural and scientific sites - France, Italy, UK
    >
    > e)sports - Germany, UK
    >
    > f)culinary/ foods - Italy
    >
    > g)good deals/prices - East Europe


    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • marcus_anglikiem 07.02.06, 22:37
    Ok, skoro, ze odwiedzialem 16 Europejskich krajow, moze, ze moge pomoc;
    development & infrastructure: Szwajcaria, Niemcy, Austria
    foreigner-freindliness, locals: nie ma gdzie jak Polska. ale sprobuj Slowacja i
    Grecja i Irlandia
    tourist attractions & sights: Italia, Francja tez
    cultural & sci sites: Grecja, Italia, Belgia tez
    sports: nie wiem, no to zalezy jakie
    culinary/foods: wszedzie znajdziesz w Europie co dobrego, to wedlug gust
    prices: slyszalem, ze Chorwacja

    Milego pobytu - i jezeli jedziesz do Niemczech, trzymaj ust! (czytalem co
    napisal Pan do tego Niemca, to nie ladnie, nie pomaga do Unijnosci!)
  • ejmarkow 09.02.06, 02:03
    > a)development, infrastructure

    Germany, UK, France

    > b)foreigner-friendliness,locals

    Poland, Spain, Ukraine

    > c)tourist attractions, sites

    Every country in Europe has attractive places

    > d)cultural and scientific sites

    Same as c)

    > e)sports

    Rugby- UK, Football- entire Europe, Ice hockey- Norway, Sweden, Finland,
    Russia, Czech

    > f)culinary/ foods

    Italy, Greece, Spain, Poland

    > g)good deals/prices

    Slovakia, Hungary, Albania, Romania, Poland, Ukraine, Czech, Serbia, Croatia
  • varsovian 10.02.06, 18:25
    I haven't been following this thread, so sorry if I'm repeating anyone.
    Waldo, tell me the dates you're coming to Poland and I'll make sure I'll leave
    the country. You see, I'm happy with you at present because the Atlantic is
    just wide enough - the thought of being in the same country as your
    moustachioed mug would be too much to bear.
  • russh 10.02.06, 22:47
    Welcome back Dave - how did the skiing go?
  • usenetposts 10.02.06, 23:08
    I went to Madrid to do business, I didn't ski there, but it was quite
    enjoyable. The worst part about it was, I felt obliged to drink copious amounts
    of alcohol. I've drunk enough for the whole of February now, so I think the
    cinema is on for valentines, rather than that meal I was planning to take Elena
    to.

    --
    - Uncle Davey's Homepage -
    :: Foreigners Living in Poland Forum
  • russh 10.02.06, 23:14
    Good to know you had a good time - Madrid's a super city. Booze is good as well!

    I was asking of Dave (Varsavian) re the skiing holiday!
  • varsovian 13.02.06, 12:02
    Sorry - just trying to catch up with the workload. I answered this one on
    Waldo's Maggie thing

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