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"SPAM" and "THROLL"; West European definitions :)

10.02.06, 12:37
SPAM; is everything that Western European or Anglo-Saxon person doesn't want
to hear about, namely; the point of view of people who inhabit all lands east
of Germany. Eastern Europeans who flatter those from West and believe blindly
in everything that Western European person says, are not spamers.


THROLL; is an Eastern European who (as defined by Jacque Chirac) "misses his
chance to be quiet". The person that questions and challanges Anglo-Saxon
idea of the World...is an idiot and spamer.


That was of course ment to be sarcastic, but I'm not mistaken in noticing how
Westerners dislike Poles who dare to question western way of reasoning. I
think they are in for a major disapointment.

I'm not at all impressed by just any remarks made by a conceited Westerners.
I ask you all to exercise more humility, and learn that east of Oder river
there's inteligent humans who you can no longer underestimate.

--
Polska jest w moim sercu!
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  • russh 10.02.06, 13:23
    Time to go to sleep!
  • nasza_maggie 10.02.06, 16:35
    Sorry to dissapoint you Waldku, but it seems the definitions you present on the
    words Spam and Troll - do not exist.
    So, mmmm, did you make them up?


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    Troll (not throll)

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
    In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive
    messages on the Internet, such as on online discussion forums, to disrupt
    discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message
    itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly
    used to describe the activity.

    For many people, the characterising feature of trolling is the perception of
    intent to disrupt a community in some way. Inflammatory, sarcastic, disruptive
    or humorous content is posted, meant to draw other users into engaging the
    troll in a fruitless confrontation. The greater the reaction from the community
    the more likely the user is to troll again, as the person develops beliefs that
    certain actions achieve his/her goal to cause chaos. This gives rise to the
    often repeated protocol in Internet culture: "Do not feed the trolls".

    Often, a person will post a sincere message about which he is emotionally
    sensitive. Skillful trolls know that an easy way to upset him is to
    disingenuously claim that he is a "troll". On other occasions, a person may not
    instantly understand, or fit into the social norms of a forum where most users
    have similar characteristics. As a result, his acting just slightly out of the
    norm (often unintentionally, and for legitimate reasons) garners him the
    label "troll". It can sometimes be difficult to distinguish between a user who
    is merely unfamiliar with the social protocols of a forum, and a user who is
    intentionally trolling; unfortunately, many users react aggressively on a first
    impression to a perceived troll, which sometimes leads disgruntled newbies to
    become trolls.

    Prison time for trolling?
    On January 5, 2006, United States president George W. Bush signed into law the
    Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act[4], which,
    among other things, places a prohibition on using the Internet to transmit,
    solicit, or create anonymous messages containing obscenity intended to "annoy,
    abuse, threaten, or harass" another person.[5] Criminal penalties include large
    fines and up to two years in prison. Concern has been raised as to the
    Constitutional legality of the law, as critics allege that it infringes upon
    the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which guarantees every
    U.S. citizen the right to free speech. This does not necessarily affect all
    trolls; however, it makes illegal the common trolling tactic of posting links
    to shock sites containing obscene material.

    pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolling
    Trolling to wysyłanie wrogich, obraźliwych lub kontrowersyjnych wiadomości na
    jedno z publicznych "miejsc" w Internecie (grupy i listy dyskusyjne, fora
    internetowe, czaty itp.) w celu wzniecenia kłótni. Często też podaje linki do
    stron z obrzydliwą zawartością, najczęściej tak zamaskowane, że niczego
    nieświadomy użytkownik widzi nagle zdjęcia zmasakrowanych zwłok,
    wypróżniających się ludzi, itd. Zobacz goatse.cx. Inną metodą trollingu jest
    podawanie linków do screamerów bez ostrzeżenia.

    Trolling jest złamaniem jednej z podstawowych zasad netykiety.

    Zachowanie trolla
    Troll rozpoczyna dyskusję przede wszystkim po to, aby wywołać zamieszanie,
    wyładować w niej swoje negatywne emocje, oraz aby poczuć się ważnym i
    zauważonym. Rzadziej spotykanym powodem jest chęć popisania się elokwencją i
    sztuką erystyki.

    Troll zwykle reaguje wrogo zarówno na próby uspokojenia dyskusji, jak i
    agresywne reagowanie na jego zaczepki, zaś merytoryczna zawartość dyskusji ma
    dla niego znaczenie tylko o tyle, o ile rozpala w dyskutantach negatywne emocje
    i przyczynia się do kontynuowania sporu. Sprawia to zazwyczaj takie wrażenie,
    jakby troll "sycił" się nimi. Najczęściej im więcej osób wpadnie w jego sidła i
    odpowie na jego post, tym bardziej wydaje się zadowolony. Znużenie dyskutantów
    objawiające się kończeniem dyskusji (patrz: EOT) lub też wrzuceniem go do
    killfile'a interpretuje jako odniesienie zwycięstwa.------


    SPAM
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29
    Spamming is the abuse of any electronic communications medium to send
    unsolicited messages in bulk. While its definition usually extends to the
    sending of any unsolicited bulk electronic communication, some exclude from the
    definition of the term "spam" messages considered by the receiver (or even just
    the sender) to be targeted, non-commercial, or wanted. In the popular eye, the
    most common form of spam is that delivered in e-mail as a form of commercial
    advertising. However, over the short history of electronic media, people have
    spammed for many purposes other than the commercial, and in many media other
    than e-mail. Spammers have developed a variety of spamming techniques, which
    vary by media: e-mail spam, instant messaging spam, Usenet newsgroup spam, Web
    search engines spam, weblogs spam, and mobile phone messaging spam.

    pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam
    Spam to elektroniczne wiadomości rozsyłane do osób, które ich nie oczekują.
    Najbardziej rozpowszechniony jest spam za pośrednictwem poczty elektronicznej
    oraz w Usenecie. Zwykle (choć nie zawsze) jest wysyłany masowo.

    Istotą spamu jest rozsyłanie dużej liczby informacji komercyjnych o jednakowej
    treści do nieznanych sobie osób. Nie ma znaczenia jaka jest treść tych
    wiadomości. By wiadomość określić mianem spamu musi ona spełnić trzy
    następujące warunki jednocześnie:

    treść wiadomości jest niezależna od tożsamości odbiorcy;
    odbiorca nie wyraził uprzedniej, zamierzonej zgody na otrzymanie tej
    wiadomości;
    treść wiadomości daje podstawę do przypuszczeń, iż nadawca wskutek jej wysłania
    może odnieść zyski nieproporcjonalne w stosunku do korzyści odbiorcy.




    NETYKIETA
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette
    forum.gazeta.pl/forum/1904849,62605,1617503.html
    Netykieta

    Netykieta to zbiór zasad savoir-vivre obowiązujących w dyskusjach w Internecie
    a więc i na Forum Gazeta.pl.

    Jak pisać:

    Pisz zwięźle i na temat.
    Zanim założysz wątek sprawdź, czy temat już nie był omawiany. Użyj
    wyszukiwarki.
    Postaraj się, by tytuł wątku, który zakładasz był czytelny i zrozumiały.
    Odpowiadając na post, cytuj tylko potrzebne fragmenty, a resztę wycinaj. Nigdy
    nie cytuj sygnaturek (podpisów)!
    Jeśli zadajesz komuś pytanie, sformułuj je precyzyjnie.

    Czego unikać:

    Nie przeklinaj.
    Nie obrażaj i nie atakuj personalnie swoich rozmówców.
    Nie podszywaj się pod innych.
    Nie publikuj ogłoszeń ani reklam! Do ich publikacji służą serwisy ogłoszeniowe
    lub wyznaczone fora.
    Nie spamuj - nie zamieszczaj tej samej informacji w wielu miejscach.
    Nie publikuj wątków niezgodnych z tematyką danego forum.
    Nie wklejaj całych cudzych wypowiedzi lub artykułów - wystarczy je omówić lub
    podać link z odpowiednim komentarzem.
    Nie pisz WIELKIMI literami - w Internecie oznacza to, że krzyczysz. Nie
    nadużywaj także wykrzykników. Jeśli chcesz wyróżnić jakieś słowo lub zdanie,
    możesz użyć *gwiazdek* lub _podkreślenia_

    Poza tym:

    Ignoruj trolle - użytkowników, których jedynym celem jest dokuczanie i
    krytykowanie. Twoje odpowiedzi na ich posty tylko ich zachęcą do dalszej
    działalności. Wystarczy, że zgłosisz ich działalność administracji.
    Uważaj z humorem i ironią! Mogą
  • nasza_maggie 10.02.06, 16:36
    Poza tym:

    Ignoruj trolle - użytkowników, których jedynym celem jest dokuczanie i
    krytykowanie. Twoje odpowiedzi na ich posty tylko ich zachęcą do dalszej
    działalności. Wystarczy, że zgłosisz ich działalność administracji.
    Uważaj z humorem i ironią! Mogą być niezrozumiałe albo obraźliwe. Możesz
    używać "smileyów", czyli symboli oznaczających uczucia. Odczytuj je
    przechylając głowę w lewo - uśmiech możesz przekazać jako smile a "z
    przymrużeniem oka" jako wink
    Jeśli dyskusja przerodzi się w prywatną pogawędkę, kontynuuj ją poza forum.
    Twoja sygnaturka (podpis), powinna mieć co najwyżej cztery linie. Może
    zawierać np. imię i nazwisko lub pseudonim, adres e-mail, link do strony,
    ulubiony cytat.
    Do testów i innych ćwiczeń z klawiatura służy wyłącznie forum testowe.
    Jeśli chcesz zwrócić komuś uwagę, zrób to kulturalnie, najlepiej na adres
    prywatny. Staraj się doradzać innym, a nie wyśmiewać ich - każdy był kiedyś
    początkujący!

    Zgodnie z Regulaminem Forum wypowiedzi naruszające Netykietę mogą być usuwane.

    *********************

    It's really V E R Y simple smile Just bother to read it.


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    On Her Majesty's Service
  • waldek1610 11.02.06, 07:39
    Maggie,
    People who do not accept opinions of others and right for their expression tend
    to label those people "spammers or trolls". Therefore words "spamer"
    and "troll" is used for propaganda and to criminalise those that do not agree
    to fit in the idea of the World created by one group to subjcate the other.


    As today in the past subjective labeling was a comonplace;

    According to Nazi Germany propaganda machine in 1939-40, Third Reich military
    didn't fight Polish Army in occupied teritories..but simply Polish criminals or
    bandits...

    According to British Imperial Authorities and British newspapers of the time,
    Britsh Imperial Army was not fighting American Revolutionary Army but simply a
    groups of criminals (again)


    Spam is unsolicited material of a commerical form, advertising of merchendise
    and services. Ideas voiced by others is never as spam. Therefore when I say
    that Westerners are conceited and snubby it is the fact how most Eastern
    Europeans perceive them. I have to right to call Anglo-Saxons arrogant, and it
    is not spam. Spam would be only then, if I was trying to sell you watches or
    other unsolicited goods. Voicing onces ideas is never a spam.

    You live in the world that was created by people of your type (liberals,euro-
    socialists, and feminists and anti-nationalists), it suites you, therefore you
    want to preseve your cozy world by getting rid of those that want to rebuild
    the word so it includes them as well, and not giving preference to people like
    you. And there's no better way to get rid of them then to call others
    ideas....a garbage (spam), right Maggie?

    Perheaps you would call TV Trwam and Radio Maryja a trolls and their ideas as
    spam? Sure perheaps according to you they have to right to exist because they
    don't love gays, socialist, feminists, and other disfunctional groups.
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bluteau 11.02.06, 08:48
    But it perfectly alright for you to call the ideas of those who don't agree with
    you garbage, right Waldek?
  • waldek1610 11.02.06, 11:04
    I disagree with certain people, but never denied them right to speak out. To
    call a person spamer is unfair, unless of course he or she is a marketer,
    trying to sell you unsolicited goods or services.

    People with difrent ideas are never throlls, they are just people with
    different ideas.




    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bluteau 11.02.06, 12:33
    WRONG.

    Sorry but all you've done is label everyone who disagrees with you an arrogant
    anglo-saxon or Western European or you say they're "ignorant of all things Polish".

    You do nothing but provoke.

    Most people here ignore your taunting questions not because they have something
    to hide, as you like to repeat, but because there's no point. Not once have you
    gotten into a discussion with anyone on this forum (mainly out of your own
    fault); you are simply trying to dictate your "opinions" and if someone opposes
    you, they're attacked by you and labelled ignorant, arrogant, feminist,
    homosexual, and lets not forget your favourite, anglo-saxon. You don't even have
    the decency to check up on who your labelling.
  • waldek1610 11.02.06, 13:03
    I don't provoke, I react. All I do is simply tryin go make you open your eyes
    and see the World not only from your perspective, but see it how others
    perceive it. I guess its to much to ask for.
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bluteau 11.02.06, 14:49
    But that just simply isn't true.

    First of all, you're not trying to "open our eyes" - your ramming your very
    subjective opinions down our throats.

    Secondly, you're not showing us anything from the perspective of other people.
    Your dictating your, and only your, perspective.

    In addition, no one asked you to "open our eyes" - you've been requested many
    times to stop with your provocations (and no, not only by me).

    Lastly, how can you possibly try to show people the World (or rather your very
    narrow perception of it) through another prism when you deny others the right to
    contradict you, and when you repeatedly put everyone into the same basket,
    assuming all of us here (apart from you) have the exact same perspective,
    calling us ignorant, arrogant, etc?
  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 06:54
    Actually, I believe it is quite the opposite. I feel as if I was trying to
    convince you in vain, that it is wise to wear winter gear when in Tatra
    Mountains during winter....Therefore something that is common-sense.
    Instead you parade the snowy slopes of Zakopane in the beach etire and your
    fans on your feet.

    When we discuss things concerning Poland and Polish ways don't question me,
    because I would not dare to teach Hindu person about Ganges river...so if we
    discuss Poland, all you have to do is just open your ears and learn!


    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • russh 12.02.06, 07:36
    But you're a yankee doodle dandy! How can we learn about Poland from you?
  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 07:40
    I'm as yankee doodle dandy....as the the Buddist monk in New York City, with
    one exception, I don't stand out that much from the crowd...
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bluteau 12.02.06, 09:40
    Exactly, your trying, by force, to convince. If your views were based on
    common-sense as you say, we'd have no choice but to agree with you.

    The fact that someone was born in Poland does not make them an expert on all
    things Polish. Please explain to me how it is that you're the only Polish person
    I've encountered that thinks the way you do? And don't give me any s*** that
    it's because they've all been morally, culturally and socially corrupted by the
    West. As far as I'm concerned I can say just as much about Poland as you can,
    and not because I pay taxes, but because I've lived here for almost 12 years,
    I'm married to a Pole and maintain close daily contact with his family (none of
    his relatives speak English and only one of them has ever been to the West), I'm
    raising my kids in this country sending them to Polish public schools, I make
    use of Polish public medical services, I watch Polish television, read Polish
    newspapers and books, study at a Polish university, run my own small business in
    Poland, meet and speak in Polish with Poles every day (I have no foreign friends
    here) and I'm a Polish citizen. There's no doubt that I cannot compete with you
    in Polish history, but I'll take the Pepsi challenge any day of the week with
    you concerning current Polish realities.

    Just learn to accept Waldek that you are NOT a spokesperson for the Polish
    nation or for all things Polish, you represent your, and only your, opinions.
    You have yet to teach us anything - when you do, I'll let you know.
  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 10:53
    bluteau napisała:

    > Please explain to me how it is that you're the only Polish person
    > I've encountered that thinks the way you do?

    I'm one of the few Poles who bother to visit "Foreigners living in Poland"
    forum, which is the reason why discussions on this forum are dominated by Anglo-
    Saxon one-sided vision of the World and Poland. If there was more native Poles
    on this forum I would not waste my time repeating others....

    Most Poles, as you later yourself admited, simply can not speak english well
    enough to participate in our discussions on this forum...

    > I'm married to a Pole and maintain close daily contact with his family (none
    of his relatives speak English

    And that's exactly the reason why you don't see many other Poles here, even
    those Poles living in Poland that speak english.....don't come here because
    they are busy making living and taking advantage of their english language
    skills and simply making living. Others are simply minding their own bussiness
    and do not care about the issues, because they worry more about "co do gara
    wlozyc".....I'm sure you know what I mean.



    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bluteau 12.02.06, 11:31
    Your post seems to imply that my only source of contact with other people is
    through this forum. I do not rely on "Foreigners Living in Poland" as my source
    of contact with Poles. I prefer to deal with people face to face. Besides, as
    the title implies, this forum is obviously meant for foreigners and not Poles
    (though they are very welcom here). On the other hand, I can say that there are
    more Poles visiting and contributing to this forum than you think. I'd also like
    to add that apart from a small minority (including Dave and Russh), there are no
    participants here that you could refer to as "anglo-saxons" (which in itself is
    a bizarre term to be using).

    I clearly pointed out that I meet with and talk to Polish people every day. I
    will add that this is in my job, at the university, in the street, in shops, in
    government offices, with my Polish friends, etc. I don't only socialise with
    Poles who cannot speak other languages or who only worry about how to fill their
    bellies. My husband's other family members do not speak English, I didn't say
    they don't speak any foreign languages. And don't put words in my mouth! Never
    did I say that "most Poles simply cannot speak English well". I don't recall
    even implying that. As a matter of fact, I frequently meet with Polish people,
    in Poland, who seem to have a better command of English than you do, despite the
    fact you've been living in an English-speaking country for many years.
  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 13:29
    bluteau napisała:

    > As a matter of fact, I frequently meet with Polish people,
    > in Poland, who seem to have a better command of English than you do, despite
    > the fact you've been living in an English-speaking country for many years.

    It is somehow hard for me to believe in, when I meet a commander of Polish
    Platoon at the NATO excercise, who claims he doesn't need interpretor, while
    all he can produce is about 5 words per minute while communicating with his
    American counterpart. It is really emberasing to see the Colonel of Polish army
    do that, it reminded me milking the cow in slow motion....




    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • ms.jones 12.02.06, 10:55
    bluteau, you are forgetting that Waldek is entitled to his own facts, not just
    his own opinions. smile)
  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 11:11
    ...And Anglo-Saxons such as you all, are entitled to your set of "Facts" se we
    had a chance to find out.

    I can give you long list of lies that are presented as "Facts" everywhere you
    look in UK, USA or Western European media, history books and the mindset of
    those people in general.

    We all know those "facts" as Columbus "discovery" of American continent, or
    British inteligence allegadly "braking" German Nazi coding machine...10 years
    after Poles...as it was possible to discover a continent second time, or breake
    Enigma code when someone else already have done it...




    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bluteau 12.02.06, 11:35
    >...And Anglo-Saxons such as you all, [...]

    Now you're just making an ass of yourself.

    Please list the "anglo-saxons" participating on this forum. Before you put me on
    it, let me just hint that I'm not. It'll save you the effort of typing my name
    on your list.
  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 12:23
    If you're not and ango-saxon plese make sure to present your association
    clearly next time, instead trying to play both ways. See... you are trying to
    pretend to be a Westerner or a Pole whenever one option suites you better at
    the time.

    I know it is difficult to stand firmly by your convictions, as I had a chance
    to find out, people don't like folks like me who are ready do defend their
    position.
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • bluteau 12.02.06, 12:40
    I'm equally prepared to defend my position. My convictions haven't faltered,
    don't you worry.

    So what you're implying now is that the whole Western World is anglo-saxon,
    right? Automatically, if someone is a Westerner, they're an anglo-saxon? It must
    me excruciating for you to live in the most influential (unfortunately) Western
    country in the World. Gosh Waldek, you're just surrounded by anglo-saxons (or do
    you never leave the Polish community in Chicago?).

    I believe it's possible to identify with 2 nations, and 2 cultures. If I feel
    Polish and Quebecois at the same time, I think it's a beautiful thing, and it's
    my right.

    And I don't see why I should be making anything clearer to you about my
    background since you're unwilling to do that yourself.
  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 12:54
    I am an American citizen, although I feel I am a Pole regardless how long I
    lived in US. I've made it clear many times before, I have no problem living in
    Anglo-Saxon country because I see many common ideals such as freedom and
    libelitarian ideals (not to be confused with liberal) that connect Polish and
    American nations.

    Still, as far as Poland is concerned, I prefered that Anglo-Saxon rules and
    interest were not imposed or forced upon Poles and Poland.

    You have said you feel equally Polish and Quebecois, but considering the
    secessionist movements in French Quebec, which option do you choose?
    Independence or preserving ties with Canada?
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • usenetposts 12.02.06, 13:02
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > I am an American citizen, although I feel I am a Pole regardless how long I
    > lived in US. I've made it clear many times before, I have no problem living
    in
    > Anglo-Saxon country because I see many common ideals such as freedom and
    > libelitarian ideals (not to be confused with liberal) that connect Polish and
    > American nations.
    >
    > Still, as far as Poland is concerned, I prefered that Anglo-Saxon rules and
    > interest were not imposed or forced upon Poles and Poland.

    Your people should have thought of that before selling out your autonomy
    birthright for a mess of grants and squandering your resistance for a pocket
    full of mumbles such as structural funding promises.

    --
    - Uncle Davey's Homepage -
    :: Foreigners Living in Poland Forum
  • waldek1610 12.02.06, 13:22
    Fortunatelly Poland is one of the 25 countries that selled out themesleves to
    other 24...

    Which seems to make a perfect oportunity for Poles to wrestle some of the
    wealth from British, and other western European states.
    --
    Polska jest w moim sercu!
  • usenetposts 12.02.06, 13:56
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > Fortunatelly Poland is one of the 25 countries that selled out themesleves to
    > other 24...
    >
    > Which seems to make a perfect oportunity for Poles to wrestle some of the
    > wealth from British, and other western European states.

    No doubt, but never forget "he who pays the piper, calls the tune".

    Since you have taken our money, this will not be like any of the occupations in
    your history which you managed to resist. This time you signed on the dotted
    line of your own free will.

    If you had to repay debts made under communism, how much more will you have to
    obligate undertakings made under capitalism?

    --
    - Uncle Davey's Homepage -
    :: Foreigners Living in Poland Forum
  • usenetposts 12.02.06, 13:50
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > ...And Anglo-Saxons such as you all, are entitled to your set of "Facts" se
    we
    > had a chance to find out.
    >
    > I can give you long list of lies that are presented as "Facts" everywhere you
    > look in UK, USA or Western European media, history books and the mindset of
    > those people in general.
    >
    > We all know those "facts" as Columbus "discovery" of American continent,

    This is scarcely something we would need in the Anglo Saxon world to get so
    patriotic about - it is the catholic world which adores Columbus, as
    illustrated by this shot I took through the back window of a taxi in Madrid on
    Thursday this last week, showing the pride of place old Colon's statue has in
    that fine city.

    www.usenetposts.com/colondash.JPG
    In addition, Columbus didn't discover America, he discovered the Dominican
    Republic - this next shot:

    www.usenetposts.com/daveyalcazar.JPG
    ..shows me in Columbus's house in San Domingo.

    If you would like to know which was the first European to discover America, it
    was the Viking (more anglo saxon related than Columbus, incidentally) Leaf
    Earacheson (Norse spelling Leif Eiriksson) was broadly reckoned to do so,
    however one Scandywegian here:

    www.vulkaner.no/t/isl2004/leif.html
    ..claims otherwise.

    > or
    > British inteligence allegadly "braking" German Nazi coding machine...10 years
    > after Poles...as it was possible to discover a continent second time, or
    breake
    >
    > Enigma code when someone else already have done it...

    Well, I expect that there are some Poles who are still breaking the COBOL code
    ten years after everyone else had done with it too, so what you gain on the
    swings you lose on the roundabouts.

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  • waldek1610 13.02.06, 06:32
    Dave,
    If they had a courses designed to teach British to stop talking trash.....I'm
    sure you would fail it, with every attempt.

    There is an adage ;"If you tie down Spaniards hands, he will stop talking",
    similarly you one can say about British; "If you going to ask a Brit a
    straightfoward question you can expect everything but streightforward
    answer"..."not even that, instead of the answer you can expect a rude coment
    or...a some silly question instead"

    Dave, do you like going to restaurants and getting something that you didn't
    ordered, or your order being mixed up? I'm sure you don't, but I do hope that
    if that happened to you few times it would teach you a valuable lesson once and
    for all.
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  • usenetposts 14.02.06, 01:43
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > Dave,
    > If they had a courses designed to teach British to stop talking trash.....I'm
    > sure you would fail it, with every attempt.
    >
    > There is an adage ;"If you tie down Spaniards hands, he will stop talking",
    > similarly you one can say about British; "If you going to ask a Brit a
    > straightfoward question you can expect everything but streightforward
    > answer"..."not even that, instead of the answer you can expect a rude coment
    > or...a some silly question instead"
    >
    > Dave, do you like going to restaurants and getting something that you didn't
    > ordered, or your order being mixed up? I'm sure you don't, but I do hope that
    > if that happened to you few times it would teach you a valuable lesson once
    and
    >
    > for all.

    You forget I live in this country.

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  • nasza_maggie 14.02.06, 01:44
    Yes Dave BUT that is NOT enough!!!! smile))))))))
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  • waldek1610 15.02.06, 00:00
    nasza_maggie napisała:

    > Yes Dave BUT that is NOT enough!!!! smile))))))))

    For once Maggie is right. Yes, just being phisically in Poland doesn't make you
    polish, you need to aquire polish characteristics.

    I don't perceive you being patriotic Pole in a nearest future, so perheaps you
    should start growing a mustache or buying a portrait of John Paul II...


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  • russh 15.02.06, 00:35
    Yes, just being phisically in Poland doesn't make you
    >
    > polish

    Who wants to be?

    > I don't perceive you being patriotic Pole in a nearest future, so perheaps you
    > should start growing a mustache or buying a portrait of John Paul II.

    You mean like you and all of the other over 50s in Poland. Your mentality
    belongs to the communist times, no wonder you left when they got kicked out. You
    hadn't the balls to face Poland new era.
  • waldek1610 15.02.06, 00:42
    Your so confused Russh. I'm 32 years old, and I was only 16 when communist were
    ousted, and to clearify polish politics for you, you sould remember few facts.

    First its the liberals and socialists that are the heirs of PRL-polish
    communists. And its new Polish president Lech Kaczynski and Polish Catholics
    that are most anti-communist and want socialists out of Poland.

    Maggie for example belong to the post-communist leftist nomenclature which is
    the very reason why she had money to attend schools in England.
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  • russh 15.02.06, 01:09
    You should understand what I said before trying to remind me of a few innacurate
    facts.

    I said your mentality belongs to the communist era, as does Mr Kaczynski with
    his wishes to control the media.

    If you understood what he is doing currently, you would understand what I meant.

    Fascists and Communists in many respects are very similar I would remind you.

    Why do you think that anyone who is not a radical Catholic is a left-wing
    fanatic? Your extremism, and that of the Mr Kaczynskis could be worrying if it
    were not for the fact that you do not live in Poland, and they will not govern
    for long.

    Remember that the wealth creator of Poland, Warsaw, voted by a large majority
    against them. As the country grows wealthier (inspite of the Kaczynskis), the
    rest will follow.
  • nasza_maggie 15.02.06, 01:10
    Nobody paid for my education. Anywhere. What can I say, I must be a geniussmile
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  • russh 15.02.06, 01:15
    You never said how your party went at the end of January - the one that we
    didn't get an invite to!
  • nasza_maggie 15.02.06, 01:21
    Which one was that? You know, I party aaaaaaaaaall the time. I have to run
    around and show all that haute couture I own!!!
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  • nasza_maggie 12.02.06, 15:34
    Waldek
    All you've done is try to shove down other peoples throats your definitions -
    which don't exist.

    They don't exist anywhere. And as always it's quite frankly sad, how you try to
    be the spokesperson for all Poles, solely from what you hear on Radio Maryja,
    which is not a representative radio. And it is not the only Catholic media that
    there is in Poland.

    Anyway, so many people, including Poles have tried to explain to you, that it's
    not what you write, but your attitude that is simply having the opposite effect
    to what you would like it to have.


    Lost cause.


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  • waldek1610 13.02.06, 06:22
    Maggie,
    If you were to define Poland, withouth nameing it, I'm almost certain most
    listeners would think that you're talking about UK, Netherland or
    Belgium....instead.

    You have clearly liberal view of Poland, view that is not accepted my majority
    of Poles, view in which Poland is actually a Anglo-Saxon country where people
    care only about Anglo-Saxon interests and praise the British Queen.

    You got to admit that this is mighty distorted view of Poland, which in fact is
    everything ...but the things you say it is.

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  • waldek1610 15.02.06, 00:04
    You'll surely going to wake up when you are out of work, after your SLD
    nomenclatura/Pruszkowska mafia boss who got you a good job in Poland is removed
    himself from power.
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  • waldek1610 15.02.06, 00:23
    Maggie,
    Where do you work?
  • russh 15.02.06, 00:38
    He's also jealous - you've managed to make it in the post communist era. He
    didn't have the talent.
  • nasza_maggie 15.02.06, 00:40
    You think he's jealous of me? Then I should be flattered, right? smile)


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  • waldek1610 15.02.06, 00:46
    Maggie, I know you have one of those "patronage jobs" given to you buy your
    SLD/Pruszkowska Mafia colegues...I certainly hope that Poland under Lech
    Kaczynski is going to be cleared of that post socialist type scum preying on
    Poland.
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  • nasza_maggie 15.02.06, 00:48
    Is it me or is the record stuck? Walduś do you need a pat in the back? It seems
    you have some trapped wind in your lungssmile)))

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  • ms.jones 15.02.06, 00:49
    smile))
  • waldek1610 15.02.06, 00:52
    why do I even bother, there's no future for people like you in IV
    Rzeczposlolita, so you'll have to look for a new place you can prey on.
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  • kylie1 15.02.06, 00:53
    you sure it was his lungs?
    I think he's been farting out of his ears for the last few months he's been
    here ( I appologize - he was passing wind - sorry).
    smile
  • nasza_maggie 15.02.06, 00:55
    kylie!!!!!!! I just spat on the coputer screen with laughter!!!smile))))

    I just imagined Walduś in this superman costume with IVRP on his chest with
    steam coming out of.... everythingsmile))))

    Oh dear this whole 'fantasy logic' of his seems to be catching onsmile))) I'm
    always up for a laugh.
    Waldek open the window please! smile


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  • waldek1610 15.02.06, 01:03
    At least I have windows, but you my dear will only have windows with 1 inch in
    diameter bars in them...you PSL/Pruszkowska mafia cronies are out. Start
    packing your bags Maggie.
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  • kylie1 15.02.06, 01:09
    She will still have her lap top, Waldo. That's not good news for you, Waldo.

  • nasza_maggie 15.02.06, 01:12
    My bags? Waldek - thank you for your invitationsmile))) When I get some time off
    I'll try and see what I can do in terms of visiting the USsmile Oh New York New
    York!
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  • ms.jones 15.02.06, 01:17
    No, no, no, Maggie. It's Chicago! Chicago!
  • nasza_maggie 15.02.06, 01:19
    Ok, I guess I can go there too. What the heck. Since I am so rich, I can afford
    to fly all over the US. Will you join me Jones? First class and all thatsmile
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  • ms.jones 15.02.06, 01:23
    ekhmm, I'd love to normally, really I would... but I think, oh someone's at the
    door!
  • nasza_maggie 15.02.06, 01:24
    gosh, he's not in the fridge too, is he??!?!?!??!?!?
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