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09.04.06, 11:46
Finally, after the money I pay to cybersquat 35 prime .eu domains for the
last six months has been sitting that long inactive on the registrar's bank
account at 18 EUR a shot, we finally arrive at that fateful day 7th April,
when my registrar can compete with all the johnny come lately registrars on a
first come first served basis for those domains which did not go through the
sunrises and where available for the so-called "landrush".

And it transpires that of my 35 shots, I only got 7. I am now the proud owner
of:

nivella.eu

geugle.eu

dotheyrate.eu

good4.eu

ineed.eu

fancymeeting.eu

placefor.eu

All I need now is someone with good web skills to make the sites for them,
and I'll be able to either do things with them, or wait for a buyer.

I suppose 7 out of 35 is not such a bad hit rate when you consider how many
people, it transpires, sunrised some of the best names and got away with it
even though they had nothing to do with their company names.

For example, "auditors.eu" is now the property of a tiny, unheard-of firm in
the Czech Republic only. Because they had the foresight to sunrise it, and
EURid, believe it or not, accepted their documents!

The whole sunrise thingy turned out to be mothing more than a ruse to get
more money out of applicants. Had I known that, I might have sunrised more
domains instead of getting in the landrush queue, but then it cost four times
as much to sunrise as to landrush anyway, so I may have had a worse outcome
anyway. And you have the rigmarole of providing documents, but then for that
you do probably get more valuable domains.

I now get my money back on the domains that other cybersquatters snaffled
before I did, and I can go through my original list of 100 names which I
didn't invest in 65 of (I didn't want to put more than 700 EUR on this
gamble) and see if any of them have escaped the greedy ravages of my fellow
domaingrubbing, dirty cybersquatting landrushers.

But there is a chance that by Tuesday I will have a few more of the 35, as
not all of the processes have been finally concluded, and there is always an
outside chance that some sunrisers will simply fail to conclude with their
purchases - although I doubt that very much.

Did anyone else take a punt on the .eu landrush, and if so, was your success
rate any different to mine?

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  • 10.04.06, 09:08
    Dave,

    Interesting investment in the 'EU'. In time, if and when the EU starts to gain
    in popularity and momentum amongst all of its member states, it should have a
    generous rippling effect. I still enjoy trading equities on the NYSE. For the
    international scene, ADRs are nice.

    Regards,

    Eugene
  • 12.04.06, 14:15
    So you are not so smart after all.
    I had almost 2000 names reserved and got only 145 but did not have to pay for
    it until April 7th.
    You should have asked me how to do it (without tying up your money for so long)
  • 12.04.06, 15:05
    marimax napisał:

    > I had almost 2000 names reserved

    That must have kept you busy.
    Are there no pubs where you live? Cinemas, libraries, parks? People?
    Television sets are quite cheap nowadays, and very popular among sad people
    with nothing interesting to do.
  • 12.04.06, 15:32
    marimax napisał:

    > So you are not so smart after all.
    > I had almost 2000 names reserved and got only 145 but did not have to pay for
    > it until April 7th.
    > You should have asked me how to do it (without tying up your money for so
    long)

    Well, I am interested to know how you went about that. I thought I was ahead of
    the game in only having my money tied up for 6 months. I had my place in the
    queue for some names about 4 months earlier to that.

    Of the 35 I went for, and got 7 (I might add that that's a 20% hit rate
    compared to your 7.25% hitrate, so I got something for something) and also I
    managed to use my account credit to get some quite nice ones in the mop-up
    phase.

    Here's a little list of what I've got which I could sell, now:

    dotheyrate.eu

    fancymeeting.eu

    geugle.eu

    good4.eu

    harkat.eu

    imtelling.eu

    ineed.eu

    listento.eu

    phemism.eu

    placefor.eu

    serviceregister.eu

    withorwithout.eu

    And then I registered at least as many on top that I will use, if only to
    redirect traffic to existing sites.

    If I don't sell them then over time I would like to use them to develop active
    sites, but I need someone with better php than I have.

    The placefor.eu I think is a very good name for a European wide real-estate
    portal, and I don't think I would part with that for under 5,000 EUR.

    Anyway, I just got a sedo account to sell these domains, but I'm not expecting
    any sudden rush as they are all priced up to the hilt.

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  • 12.04.06, 20:14
    Ianek, you must be one very frustraded person.
    To answer you Yes I have better things to do than sit in a pub, breath the
    smoke in and talk to drunks.You probably have a boss you hate and after work
    you have to go to your drinking joint to get drunk so you don't remember what
    your boss told you during the day.
    I don't have a boss, work for myself in front of my computer and do whatever I
    want and wherever I want.
    I am investing for myself and make a living this way.
    One of the investment vehicles I invest in are domains.Most people don't
    realise what a good investment it can be.
    I started reserving my .eu domains last July so I had enough time to preregister
    2000 domains and about 3 weeks ago I had to give them my credit card number so
    they could charge me for the secured domains. Yes that was it no money up front.
    Now for usenetposts;
    By telling us your domains it is very easy to find your identity.
    I would never tell it to anybody.
    Also I don't find your .eu domains very interesting. Maybe one or two are worth
    anything, the rest you can drop because you will never get any real money for
    them.
    IF you want to get more into this business you should research it more.
    It's obvious you don't have a lot of experience so I give you one advice.
    Go to www.dnjournal.com and read it. It is one of the best websites about
    buying, selling domains and it is updated every wednesday
  • 13.04.06, 16:32
    marimax napisał:

    > Ianek, you must be one very frustraded person.
    > To answer you Yes I have better things to do than sit in a pub, breath the
    > smoke in and talk to drunks.You probably have a boss you hate and after work
    > you have to go to your drinking joint to get drunk so you don't remember what
    > your boss told you during the day.
    > I don't have a boss, work for myself in front of my computer and do whatever
    I
    > want and wherever I want.
    > I am investing for myself and make a living this way.
    > One of the investment vehicles I invest in are domains.Most people don't
    > realise what a good investment it can be.
    > I started reserving my .eu domains last July so I had enough time to
    preregiste
    > r
    > 2000 domains and about 3 weeks ago I had to give them my credit card number
    so
    > they could charge me for the secured domains. Yes that was it no money up
    front
    > .
    > Now for usenetposts;
    > By telling us your domains it is very easy to find your identity.
    > I would never tell it to anybody.
    > Also I don't find your .eu domains very interesting. Maybe one or two are
    worth
    >
    > anything, the rest you can drop because you will never get any real money for
    > them.
    > IF you want to get more into this business you should research it more.
    > It's obvious you don't have a lot of experience so I give you one advice.
    > Go to www.dnjournal.com and read it. It is one of the best websites about
    > buying, selling domains and it is updated every wednesday

    Well, I always appreciate all the advice anybody can give me, but how can
    imtelling.eu or placefor.eu or listento.eu or geugle.eu be anything other than
    a real coup?

    I'm gonna have a look at that journal and see what it has to offer, anyway.

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  • 13.04.06, 17:02
    marimax napisał:

    > To answer you Yes I have better things to do than sit in a pub, breath the
    > smoke in and talk to drunks.You probably have a boss you hate and after work
    > you have to go to your drinking joint to get drunk so you don't remember what
    > your boss told you during the day.

    I don't have a boss, and I've never had I boss that I hated, so maybe I'm lucky.
    Pubs were only one of the things I mentioned, but your fantasies about the
    lives of normal people are very revealing...
  • 13.04.06, 17:40

    Nice to be back and read this thread with a nice chat between ianek and marimaxsmile

    You are making money of something that I never thought of. The downside of
    working in not-for-profit is that sooner or later you loose you business skills.
    However, I doubt that I ever had one.

    Dave, I would say that your most valuable asset is serviceregister.eu.

    Ervin

    Thebartiski.blogspot.com
  • 14.04.06, 12:17
    bartis_ervin napisał:

    >
    > Nice to be back and read this thread with a nice chat between ianek and
    marimax
    > smile
    >
    > You are making money of something that I never thought of. The downside of
    > working in not-for-profit is that sooner or later you loose you business
    skills
    > .
    > However, I doubt that I ever had one.
    >

    Just hang out with me a bit and I will sort you out.

    > Dave, I would say that your most valuable asset is serviceregister.eu.

    Thanks for that. By the way, last time I looked charityregister was still free,
    but I left it anyway. Maybe you could get that one and ensure that your charity
    has a prominent place in the register.

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  • 13.04.06, 23:40
    Why bother about .eu domain if EU disappears within 10 years (or I just hope so).

    What's so special in this domain, Europe even has no common cultural heritage.
    We have been killing ourselves for ages. We have reached for our lands. We
    betrayed other "Europeans" towards outer opponents. And now we just pretend all
    to be friends. Funny.

    This is just another EU whining about US success, and does anybody register .usa
    domains? OK, .us is another thing.

    If I need to be successful, I go for .com

    FM
  • 14.04.06, 10:59
    I hope you are right about EU and it's future.
    I also think it will be gone within 10 - 15 years but you can not deny that
    there is something called Europe and it will never disappear from the map.
    For this reason I think domain .eu will become very important and of course .com
    will always be the king and .us will be very important too but I hope you agree
    with me that for example Madrit.eu sound better than Madrit.us so both are
    regional and very important domains
  • 14.04.06, 12:16
    You are !!
  • 18.04.06, 13:47
    marimax napisał:

    >crying...)but I hope you agree
    >
    > with me that for example Madrit.eu sound better than Madrit.us so both are
    > regional and very important domains

    Well, I hope that you agree that madrid.es sounds better than madrid.eu?

    Europe is not USA with all ups and downs, and regionalism is very strong (and
    good) asset of our corner of the world.

    I would not like to see a company claiming .eu domain, because it is important
    for me whether this is from UK or Estonia. Not that I have something against UK.

    All this domain hijacking even raises my suspiscious about the connotations of
    any .eu company. So I will stay with old plain country domains.
  • 18.04.06, 14:23
    firemouse napisał:

    > marimax napisał:
    >
    > >crying...)but I hope you agree
    > >
    > > with me that for example Madrit.eu sound better than Madrit.us so both ar
    > e
    > > regional and very important domains
    >
    > Well, I hope that you agree that madrid.es sounds better than madrid.eu?
    >
    > Europe is not USA with all ups and downs, and regionalism is very strong (and
    > good) asset of our corner of the world.
    >
    > I would not like to see a company claiming .eu domain, because it is important
    > for me whether this is from UK or Estonia. Not that I have something against
    UK
    > .
    >
    > All this domain hijacking even raises my suspiscious about the connotations of
    > any .eu company. So I will stay with old plain country domains.

    You remind me of good old King Canute holding back the tide.

    Why don't you remain true to your principles in other areas also, and still pay
    in shops with guilders and deutschmarks?

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  • 18.04.06, 14:58
    > Why don't you remain true to your principles in other areas also, and still pay
    >
    > in shops with guilders and deutschmarks?
    >

    Because they don't accept it, that's why. And introduction of Euro were not such
    a success story as it is touted.

    With internet domains, as long as I have choice, I will stick rather with
    regional domains.

    Truly, I don't understand this criticism; you have said that auditors.eu is
    bought by an unknown company from Czech Republic. So what can you say about
    value of this domain? Or a company behind it? Were I a non-European investor
    looking for an auditor for my European companies (in different countries) would
    I trust a no-name auditors.eu company or an international establishment?

    Europe is not as unified market as it should be; mostly because politicians
    demand too much power for their particular interests. As long as the business
    conditions vary between Spain, Norway, Poland and Ukraine (even as two of these
    countries are not EU-members) I want to know who is well settled in the local
    market.
  • 18.04.06, 15:27
    firemouse napisał:

    > > Why don't you remain true to your principles in other areas also, and sti
    > ll pay
    > >
    > > in shops with guilders and deutschmarks?
    > >
    >
    > Because they don't accept it, that's why. And introduction of Euro were not
    suc
    > h
    > a success story as it is touted.
    >
    > With internet domains, as long as I have choice, I will stick rather with
    > regional domains.
    >
    > Truly, I don't understand this criticism; you have said that auditors.eu is
    > bought by an unknown company from Czech Republic. So what can you say about
    > value of this domain? Or a company behind it? Were I a non-European investor
    > looking for an auditor for my European companies (in different countries)
    would
    > I trust a no-name auditors.eu company or an international establishment?
    >

    That's a very good question, and one that I deal with quite a lot of the time.

    Many companies coming in can only deal with the big international auditors,
    some are able to deal with middle tier international auditors like my firm, but
    some are free to do as they like. the most cost-conscious of these will avoid
    the biggest firms and they come and address the middle tier, but then I find
    myself being asked to compete in price against less known firms. How do they
    find these firms? In many cases they use the internet.

    Now I did criticise the fact that a little known firm has obtained auditors.eu,
    but this is not a criticism of the Czech professional colleagues who registered
    it. They increased the value of their Firm, and good luck to them. It was a
    criticism in the vagaries of the registration process and the fact that despite
    all this bruhaha about sunrises at the end of the day it didn't always amount
    to much.

    > Europe is not as unified market as it should be; mostly because politicians
    > demand too much power for their particular interests. As long as the business
    > conditions vary between Spain, Norway, Poland and Ukraine (even as two of
    these
    > countries are not EU-members) I want to know who is well settled in the local
    > market.

    Well, Arthur Andersen were settled in all their local markets, but that's
    another story.

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  • 19.04.06, 13:41
    usenetposts napisał:


    > Now I did criticise the fact that a little known firm has obtained auditors.eu,
    >
    > but this is not a criticism of the Czech professional colleagues who registered
    >
    > it. They increased the value of their Firm, and good luck to them. It was a
    > criticism in the vagaries of the registration process and the fact that despite
    >
    > all this bruhaha about sunrises at the end of the day it didn't always amount
    > to much.

    This is exactly what I mean; the .eu domains will remain (for me) a curiosity
    for some time more, but certainly a company using .eu address does not have more
    creditability for me than a one using .cz for example.

    > Well, Arthur Andersen were settled in all their local markets, but that's
    > another story.
    >

    You must be joking.

    Having a local subisidiary all around the world does not mean settled in. The
    company would not fall like a cardhouse if their all "local firms" would be
    truly independent. Look at the franchising policy which E&Y had some time ago.
    The Dutch always referred to the Dutch E&Y as "Moret" and had problems in
    locating this as part of E&Y Global. They even were saying "we're using Moret in
    Poland".

    I am sure that if Enron case would happen in E&Y, Moret would be virtually
    untouched.


  • 20.04.06, 17:23
    firemouse napisał:

    > usenetposts napisał:
    >
    >
    > > Now I did criticise the fact that a little known firm has obtained audito
    > rs.eu,
    > >
    > > but this is not a criticism of the Czech professional colleagues who regi
    > stered
    > >
    > > it. They increased the value of their Firm, and good luck to them. It was
    > a
    > > criticism in the vagaries of the registration process and the fact that d
    > espite
    > >
    > > all this bruhaha about sunrises at the end of the day it didn't always am
    > ount
    > > to much.
    >
    > This is exactly what I mean; the .eu domains will remain (for me) a curiosity
    > for some time more, but certainly a company using .eu address does not have
    mor
    > e
    > creditability for me than a one using .cz for example.

    OK, well, time will tell whether your view is the majority view or not.

    If you are right, I will have wasted a few hundred EUR.

    If you are wrong, I will have won a few thousand.

    The upside at the moment seems bigger for me than the downside.

    >
    > > Well, Arthur Andersen were settled in all their local markets, but that's
    >
    > > another story.
    > >
    >
    > You must be joking.
    >
    > Having a local subisidiary all around the world does not mean settled in. The
    > company would not fall like a cardhouse if their all "local firms" would be
    > truly independent. Look at the franchising policy which E&Y had some time ago.
    > The Dutch always referred to the Dutch E&Y as "Moret" and had problems in
    > locating this as part of E&Y Global. They even were saying "we're using Moret
    i
    > n
    > Poland".
    >
    > I am sure that if Enron case would happen in E&Y, Moret would be virtually
    > untouched.
    >

    Very interesting. Now I wonder how many of the Moret partners are actually ex-
    Arthur Andersen partners. In Poland, for example, and not only poland, AA
    partners virtually bought out and took over E&Y. E&Y's position as the biggest
    accounting firm there has ever been is, arguably, thanks to their ability to
    absorb Arthur Andersen people and clients without a major stir.

    Now legislation in the EU about accounting networks will make it impossible for
    Morets to go untouched if another part of E&Y is touched by a major scandal - I
    don't wish that on them by the way - if they hold themselves out to be part of
    the E&Y network.

    If E&Y were to go under in the way that AA did, then the remaining three Big
    Firms would become such an oligopoly that it would trigger a much larger change
    in the accounting profesion, whether generated internally or by goverment, than
    we saw after Enron. After Enron the accounting profession actually benefitted,
    as it was us that had to do all the SOX work, but clients resent that as it
    brings no added value. In the cases of most US publically owned companies and
    their subsidiaries, it was only a tedious and expensive formality.

    And apart from anything else, these scandals - moreso Parmalat than Enron,
    though, slowed the downward slide in professional fees. We were able to argue,
    as a profession, that you cannot expect good audits unless the market is ready
    to pay properly trained people to put the hours into the work.

    It's not the fault of firms like Deloittes or Grant Thorntons International,
    who were implicated in the Parmalat issue, that the fees have gone down so
    badly that there is pressure on the profession to cut corners. They are not the
    major culprits when it comes to low-balling, but they were in the wrong place
    at the wrong time.

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  • 21.04.06, 11:31
    usenetposts napisał:


    >
    > Very interesting. Now I wonder how many of the Moret partners are actually ex-
    > Arthur Andersen partners. (... and so on)

    Hey, I am discussing here a historic thing. Sure now after E&Y absorbed AA this
    is true - but in reality I think that now E&Y is really a revamped AA. That was
    really a smart move, AA just rebranded and took over E&Y.

    For the fees this is true that pressure on cost cutting brings the quality down,
    but unfortunately majority of people do not see it this way. They just think
    "what the heck, this is (auditor/lawyer/accountant/whoever) so if one offers
    half a price of the other I am just saving here". Yes and no. Interestingly, the
    same people do not drive Daewoos (oops, Chevys wink ) or Dacias but BMWs or
    Mercedes and I always wonder what are their priorities. If this is the car they
    can park before their house in front of envy neighbours, suddendly the cost
    cutting is an obsolete issue.

    Well, the price can be negotiated but there is always a zone where discounts
    mean second rate service and I agree with you here completely that there is a
    level where you just can afford quality if you go down. But from the other hand
    in the past these rates were often inflated beyond absurd.
  • 14.04.06, 12:32
    firemouse napisał:

    > Why bother about .eu domain if EU disappears within 10 years (or I just hope
    so
    > ).
    >
    > What's so special in this domain, Europe even has no common cultural heritage.
    > We have been killing ourselves for ages. We have reached for our lands. We
    > betrayed other "Europeans" towards outer opponents. And now we just pretend
    all
    > to be friends. Funny.

    Well the funny thing about the US and its success is that it is a free mixof
    all the European nations. They have shown us Europeans that people can be happy
    to merge together as one from this continent. In America the faultlines are not
    between Europeans of different origins, if they were then the line "Dutch
    hater!" in Austin Powers' "Goldmember" wouldn't be funny, but it is because
    Americans of Dutch extraction are not at enmity with Americans of for example
    Scottish extraction - in fact they are well interbred anyway.

    You think maybe that they can do it because they were somewhere else, and not
    on the old territory? But we are already doing it. We are already moving around
    in Europe and getting on very well with each other, on a personal level,
    whatever governments may do. We certainly have a common competitor in the US,
    and need for that reason to assert our own "united we stand, divided we fall"
    mentality, and certainly there are marrons like Chitrack who will resist the
    fact that for this to happen the English language will rise to even more
    prominence in this continent at the cost of French, etc, but we will do it. We
    have also a common enemy, in the Islamic countries which hate us, and a key to
    our future success will be keeping the likes of Turkey at bay.

    Which is, of course why the American government is pushing us so hard to take
    them on board.

    >
    > This is just another EU whining about US success, and does anybody
    register .us
    > a
    > domains? OK, .us is another thing.
    >
    > If I need to be successful, I go for .com

    If the .com is available, then in many cases it is wise to take it.

    .us is a single country ccTLA, and , in case you had not noticed, the EU is now
    a larger market than the US.

    However, most of my domains at .eu are things that work because the sound
    of .eu sounds like a phrase ending in "you" in English. Placefor.eu or
    Imtelling.eu sound a lot snappier than placefor.com and imtelling.com, but
    still the latter are taken anyway and you would need to shell out at least 300
    USD to get hold of either of them, which I got for 18 EUR a piece.

    >
    > FM

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  • 14.04.06, 14:21
    As I expected you are not a good businessman.
    Why pay 18 Euro for something you can get for 10 ?
  • 14.04.06, 14:54
    Good point Dave! It must be stressed, that the USA is one nation with a common
    language (English) and similar culture, and has a unique melting pot component
    as well that tries to assimilate at its best. The USA doesn't have a similar
    dilemma as Europe. It is a "nation" (the European Union actually) consisting of
    distinct cultures, languages, and even habits. I am impressed the EU has come
    as far as it has, and I wish the union success in the future.

    Regards,

    Eugene
  • 14.04.06, 21:29
    ejmarkow napisał:

    > Good point Dave! It must be stressed, that the USA is one nation with a
    common
    > language (English) and similar culture, and has a unique melting pot
    component
    > as well that tries to assimilate at its best. The USA doesn't have a similar
    > dilemma as Europe. It is a "nation" (the European Union actually) consisting
    of
    >
    > distinct cultures, languages, and even habits. I am impressed the EU has come
    > as far as it has, and I wish the union success in the future.
    >

    Thanks for that.

    Best,

    Davey
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  • 19.04.06, 08:49
    Yes I paid 10 Pounds for each registration and it's a lot less than 18 Euros.
    I still believe your .eu domains have no commercial value
    They may sound OK but it is a different story
  • 07.05.06, 12:43
    I think I have a good business idea.
    I have no technical knowledge to do it but someone could start a search engine
    dedicated strictly to .eu domains.
    There are a lot of good an cheap programmers in Poland so go ahead and organise
    it and become filthy rich
  • 07.05.06, 17:23
    marimax napisał:

    > I think I have a good business idea.
    > I have no technical knowledge to do it but someone could start a search engine
    > dedicated strictly to .eu domains.
    > There are a lot of good an cheap programmers in Poland so go ahead and
    organise
    >
    > it and become filthy rich


    I think my domain geugle.eu would be ideal for that. At the moment it is for
    sale on sedo, but I can always take it off.

    Do you use Sedo?

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  • 08.05.06, 01:39
    Yes I use Sedo and yes here I will agree with you about your domain but we could
    be sued by Google.

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