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I hope Turkey goes ahead and bans the Pope's visit

  • nasza_maggie 16.09.06, 22:18
    Oh let them go banning left, right and center. You know, I don't think they're
    that botherd about the EU somehow...
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  • brookie 17.09.06, 12:15
    I'd be beneficial for EU not to let the Turks in. But with the Turks or
    without, it doesn't make such a big difference now. All those Algierians,
    Maroccans, etc are already there and there's already enough struggle to keep
    Europe together at the time being.
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  • usenetposts 19.09.06, 20:23
    brookie napisała:

    > I'd be beneficial for EU not to let the Turks in. But with the Turks or
    > without, it doesn't make such a big difference now. All those Algierians,
    > Maroccans, etc are already there and there's already enough struggle to keep
    > Europe together at the time being.

    Sure there are a bunch of Islamic people in the formerly colonial nations, but
    something should be done about that also. If they don't share the values of
    their home countries, then there should be programmes in place to help them to
    abodes when their views are in harmony with the surroundings.

    If they do love the values of France or Britain, then they should be able to
    stay. I am not in favour of making decisions based on race or origin, but on
    what people have going on in their head, and whether they are part of the
    struggle for sharia or not.

    There are Algerians in France, but Algeria is not in the EU. Only a small
    proportion of the Algerian people are in the EU. We are talking about all of
    Turkey.

    Now I am aware that there are a whole bunch of Turkish people who don't want
    islamic rule anymore than I do, but who cannot even come clean about their
    views in their own society. I would love to have these people in the EU, but
    how to have them in without letting the others in, the sort that think B16
    shouldn't visit Turkey now (where the Church was long before the mosque,
    incidentally) and who think that writers who denounce the Armenian genocide
    should be in prison - as one is - for their pains?
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  • szahtut 19.09.06, 23:32
    Please stop your propaganda,Il looks you have a big problem inside your heart,
    I believe that our Jesus do beleive in the love and to the other.
    what the hell, I have been in Turkey as tourist. it is great nations always
    smilling in your face. welcome even you can enter to their Mosques, by the way
    I so what we called a tolerant and if you don't beleive me Haja Sophia is one
    example.
    smille, and spread a love, jesus is not only for us but for all.
  • marcus_anglikiem 03.10.06, 21:28
    wise words Dave. Ree-spec! as dem say on da street
  • szahtut 19.09.06, 23:23
    brookie napisała:

    > I'd be beneficial for EU not to let the Turks in. But with the Turks or
    > without, it doesn't make such a big difference now. All those Algierians,
    > Maroccans, etc are already there and there's already enough struggle to keep
    > Europe together at the time being.

    Bla bla bla,
    Just gies back in the history,only 25 years ago, you forget when we said the
    comunist and the rest is shit. Ok you forget the berlin wall, he he when the
    those algerians and ... were building the countries and we were only drinking
    the beer and the vodkaaaaaaa. so why we are toooo far just remenber our polish
    in UK just ask them, or maybe I need to go to Italy.

    so think deeply before throwing you cabbage.
  • usenetposts 19.09.06, 20:25
    nasza_maggie napisała:

    > Oh let them go banning left, right and center. You know, I don't think
    they're
    > that botherd about the EU somehow...

    An article in today's GW (paper version - I read it on the plane) cited about
    50% in favour now vis a vis 70% in favour some years ago. So much the better.

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  • marcus_anglikiem 03.10.06, 21:26
    nasza_maggie napisała:

    > Oh let them go banning left, right and center. You know, I don't think
    they're
    > that botherd about the EU somehow...

    not bothered? haven't they been trying for something like 40 years ?
  • lmblmb 19.09.06, 10:02
    usenetposts napisał:

    > It'll be one more argument for not letting them in the EU.

    What does it have to do with "Foreigners living in Poland"?


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    Motto Polaków: "Marudzę, więc jestem".
  • usenetposts 19.09.06, 20:14
    lmblmb napisał:

    > usenetposts napisał:
    >
    > > It'll be one more argument for not letting them in the EU.
    >
    > What does it have to do with "Foreigners living in Poland"?
    >

    I'm a foreigner, and I said it.

    That's what it has to do with it.

    And of course it means that if Turkey does join, then the sorts of foreigners
    that can come and live in Poland without needing any permit will be a jolly
    sight more foreign than the ones who are here under the Treaty of Rome now.

    So I think it has quite a bit to do with it, although I didn't realise that I
    had handed over to you the moderation of this group. But I'll answer the
    question anyway.


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  • szahtut 19.09.06, 23:40
    usenetposts napisał:

    > lmblmb napisał:
    >
    > > usenetposts napisał:
    > >
    > > > It'll be one more argument for not letting them in the EU.
    > >
    > > What does it have to do with "Foreigners living in Poland"?
    > >
    >
    > I'm a foreigner, and I said it.
    >
    > That's what it has to do with it.
    >
    > And of course it means that if Turkey does join, then the sorts of foreigners
    > that can come and live in Poland without needing any permit will be a jolly
    > sight more foreign than the ones who are here under the Treaty of Rome now.
    >
    > So I think it has quite a bit to do with it, although I didn't realise that I
    > had handed over to you the moderation of this group. But I'll answer the
    > question anyway.
    >
    >
    hey,
    never mind as you can see, we are leaving to holly world and of course who will
    take care to our nation, we need to progress our progects, so if all my
    patriote will leave. we need some to take care. but any way, grand grand grand
    parents of turkish participate in the liberation of our country. so if you
    don't beleive me just go north east and then the history will take back to see
    how they are, and maybe you need to refresh you mind from some dust.
    take it easy.
  • marcus_anglikiem 03.10.06, 21:34

    but any way, grand grand grand
    > parents of turkish participate in the liberation of our country. so if you
    > don't beleive me just go north east and then the history will take back to
    see
    > how they are, and maybe you need to refresh you mind from some dust.
    > take it easy.

    in the liberation of which country ? sorry,i don't follow...
  • lmblmb 20.09.06, 22:07
    usenetposts napisał:

    > although I didn't realise that I
    > had handed over to you the moderation of this group.

    Sorry for not having shown you the proper respect a simple being like myself
    should have shown to a superior being like yourself, The Forum Master.


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    LMB
    Motto Polaków: "Marudzę, więc jestem".
  • usenetposts 20.09.06, 23:48
    lmblmb napisał:

    > usenetposts napisał:
    >
    > > although I didn't realise that I
    > > had handed over to you the moderation of this group.
    >
    > Sorry for not having shown you the proper respect a simple being like myself
    > should have shown to a superior being like yourself, The Forum Master.
    >

    At least you have managed to demonstrate true humility now.

    Maybe for an encore you could come round my place and tell me how I'm bringing
    my kids up wrong.

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  • lmblmb 21.09.06, 11:32
    usenetposts napisał:

    > Maybe for an encore you could come round my place and tell me how I'm bringing
    > my kids up wrong.

    YOU have kids? I'm sorry.


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    LMB
    Motto Polaków: "Marudzę, więc jestem".
  • usenetposts 21.09.06, 23:22
    lmblmb napisał:

    > usenetposts napisał:
    >
    > > Maybe for an encore you could come round my place and tell me how I'm bri
    > nging
    > > my kids up wrong.
    >
    > YOU have kids? I'm sorry.
    >

    5.

    No doubt you would do a whole lot better at fatherhood for my kids than me,
    same as you know better than I do what should be on topic round here.


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  • marcus_anglikiem 03.10.06, 21:32
    lmblmb napisał:

    > usenetposts napisał:
    >
    > > It'll be one more argument for not letting them in the EU.
    >
    > What does it have to do with "Foreigners living in Poland"?

    because Poland's in Europe! duh! and in this case the Foreigner is European too
    (though he might just dispute this? wink
  • babiana 19.09.06, 13:16
    Topkapi Palace Collection


    The last of the cabinets contains a table service offered by the King of Poland,
    Stanislas Poniatowski (18th Century) to Abdul Hamid I, augmented by medallions
    and by the following words:

    «ln gratitude and affection to the Turkish Padishah» : for we must not forget
    that the Ottoman Empire was the only state to refuse to countenance the
    partition of Poland.
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  • usenetposts 19.09.06, 20:17
    babiana napisała:

    > Topkapi Palace Collection
    >
    >
    > The last of the cabinets contains a table service offered by the King of
    Poland
    > ,
    > Stanislas Poniatowski (18th Century) to Abdul Hamid I, augmented by medallions
    > and by the following words:
    >
    > «ln gratitude and affection to the Turkish Padishah» : for we must no
    > t forget
    > that the Ottoman Empire was the only state to refuse to countenance the
    > partition of Poland.

    Well, great! Happy to hear that. But it really goes to show that the only way
    to win Muslims respect is to get tough with them. The Turks loved Poland
    because Poland whopped their ass. Islamics love Islam, because Mohammed's
    swordsmen whopped their ass. You heard it from B16, and B16 is absolutely right
    on the matter.

    The moral of the story is that the way to get some respect from the Islamic
    world is to get tough with them, not cozy up to them.

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  • ianek70 22.09.06, 13:28
    usenetposts napisał:

    > Islamics love Islam, because Mohammed's
    > swordsmen whopped their ass. You heard it from B16, and B16 is absolutely
    right
    >
    > on the matter.

    Of course Islam was spread by the sword.
    How was Christianity spread?
    Did some cheery blokes with rosy cheeks and acoustic guitars go round the towns
    and villages of Europe and South America, saying, "Sorry to bother you, but
    here's a leaflet explaining that your entire culture, your gods and everything
    you've believed in for thousands of years is just crap. Anyone who'd like to
    abandon it all and become a monotheist, get in touch. No pressure."?
    No. They whopped their peasant asses, unless a local king or prince could be
    persuaded for political reasons to betray his culture and traditional religion.

    Benny neglected to mention (or if he did it wasn't reported by the media) that
    all the stuff so rightly condemned by the medieval dude he quoted was also
    happening at the very same time in Poland and Lithuania, in the name of the
    loving Christian God.
    Mentioning this would not have provoked the same over-reaction in the Christian
    world as in the Muslim one, but any religion is dangerous if it's taken too
    seriously. Fortunately, in the secular, ex-Christian world we only have to
    worry about being murdered in the name of foreign religions.

    A representative of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhoods said, "These remarks did cause
    offence, but we must keep things in perspective - most Europeans don't give a
    shit what the Pope says anyway."
  • usenetposts 23.09.06, 20:48
    ianek70 napisał:

    > usenetposts napisał:
    >
    > > Islamics love Islam, because Mohammed's
    > > swordsmen whopped their ass. You heard it from B16, and B16 is absolutely
    >
    > right
    > >
    > > on the matter.
    >
    > Of course Islam was spread by the sword.
    > How was Christianity spread?

    Certainly not by violence, because in the history of our faith not one person
    has been truly born again that way.

    For three centuries, Christians were on the receiving end of persecution. They
    were put in the arenas of Rome and fed to lions and all that stuff. Then after
    the blood of the martyrs was the seed of the Church, for many years, along came
    Constantine and subverts our religion into a political tool for himself, and in
    so doing brings that golden age to an end and things start going rapidly
    downhill from that point. Of course, there were always those who were true
    believers and did their best, but they tended not to be in the echelons, as
    politician scum had taken these over.

    When the Reformation came we were trying to have dialogue not on the basis of
    what the Biblical truth is but the bigwigs if the Church that had not been
    cleansed of worldliness since Augustine's politicisation of it was more
    interested in defending its position because that's where authority and power
    lay.

    > Did some cheery blokes with rosy cheeks and acoustic guitars go round the
    towns
    >
    > and villages of Europe and South America, saying, "Sorry to bother you, but
    > here's a leaflet explaining that your entire culture, your gods and
    everything
    > you've believed in for thousands of years is just crap. Anyone who'd like to
    > abandon it all and become a monotheist, get in touch. No pressure."?

    That is pretty much what happens, these days. And I can't think of many cases
    of us getting more forcible than that. Do you see in the news people being
    forced at knife point to baptism? NO. But someone in Afghanistan who converted
    to Christ recently was sentenced to death and then the lunatic asylum unless he
    recanted. Please do not put these two religions in the same bracket.

    > No. They whopped their peasant asses, unless a local king or prince could be
    > persuaded for political reasons to betray his culture and traditional
    religion.
    >

    You are referring to the building of empire, in which Europeans also misused
    the church for political ends.

    > Benny neglected to mention (or if he did it wasn't reported by the media)
    that
    > all the stuff so rightly condemned by the medieval dude he quoted was also
    > happening at the very same time in Poland and Lithuania, in the name of the
    > loving Christian God.
    > Mentioning this would not have provoked the same over-reaction in the
    Christian
    >
    > world as in the Muslim one, but any religion is dangerous if it's taken too
    > seriously. Fortunately, in the secular, ex-Christian world we only have to
    > worry about being murdered in the name of foreign religions.
    >
    > A representative of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhoods said, "These remarks did
    cause
    > offence, but we must keep things in perspective - most Europeans don't give a
    > shit what the Pope says anyway."

    Only when he speaks the truth. When he does that even I care.

    Please note that whereas Christ told people not to fight and put back on the
    ear that Peter lopped off, and the Church was on the receiving end for 300
    years until a corrupt politician changed that for his own gain, in Islam
    Mohammed not only was alive at the time his religion was spread by violence,
    not only did he know of the violence, not only did he instruct it, but in the
    Koran he even instigates it and glories in it, even involving those of his own
    family that didn't accept his psycopath projects and support him financially.
    See Sura 111, a charming ditty egging his supporters on to sling his uncle and
    aunty on the campfire.

    There is no comparison between the Christ of the Bible and the Mohammed of the
    Koran. If you think there is, then you show that you haven't looked into it
    independently, but just got swept along by these sloppy ideas in the media, and
    in silly films like the "Kingdom of Heaven", that try to place Islam and
    Christianity in the same bucket.


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  • babiana 20.09.06, 05:11
    Suicide killing.
    "Hoping to join the European Union, Turkey has tightened the punishment for
    attacks on women and girls who have had such experiences. But the violence has
    continued, if by different means: parents are trying to spare their sons from
    the harsh punishments associated with killing their sisters by pressing the
    daughters to take their own lives instead."

    articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/how-to-avoid-honor-killing-in-turkey/20060716085509990006?ncid=NWS00010000000001
    --
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    ci to dwoch ludzi, przygotuj sobie siodlo.
  • brookie 20.09.06, 08:11
    Please stop your propaganda,Il looks you have a big problem inside your heart,
    I believe that our Jesus do beleive in the love and to the other.
    what the hell, I have been in Turkey as tourist. it is great nations always
    smilling in your face. welcome even you can enter to their Mosques, by the way
    I so what we called a tolerant and if you don't beleive me Haja Sophia is one
    example.
    smille, and spread a love, jesus is not only for us but for all.

    Nothing is wrong with my heart, man. And I do believe the Turks have a big
    smile on their faces most of the time, so do my Afghan neighbours.
    But "after hours", they hate the civilized way of living ( meaning us).
    They can go as far as to the social security office to claim another newborn to
    get a higher fortnightly payment, but after that...
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  • szahtut 20.09.06, 10:05

    > Nothing is wrong with my heart, man. And I do believe the Turks have a big
    > smile on their faces most of the time, so do my Afghan neighbours.
    > But "after hours", they hate the civilized way of living ( meaning us).
    > They can go as far as to the social security office to claim another newborn
    to
    >
    > get a higher fortnightly payment, but after that...
    First you should tell them your way of life, then explain them, look guys we
    are sorry for what is going in your country, we know that the bourka still
    there even our soldier from the civilized worrld are there for freedom and to
    stop heroin and tu push out the talibani.
    and concerning the social security support,I beleive that the law give them
    that not you or other and if they are angry abount your life style it is normal
    if you beleive to the freedom, because everyone has right to say this is crap
    life, as you do when you are in other; countries you have right to say ohhhhw
    it is crapy tradition even they are happy with that; so be happy don't worry,smile
  • babiana 20.09.06, 14:06
    No data available about women?smile))
    Education is one of the key indicators of the status of women. Women in Poland
    generally have more education than men.

    www.unece.org/press/pr2002/02stat08e.htm
    Illiterate women in Middle East and North Africa

    www.prb.org/Template.cfm?Section=PRB&template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=13049

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    ci to dwoch ludzi, przygotuj sobie siodlo.
  • szahtut 20.09.06, 16:10
    babiana napisała:

    > No data available about women?smile))
    > Education is one of the key indicators of the status of women. Women in Poland
    > generally have more education than men.
    >
    > www.unece.org/press/pr2002/02stat08e.htm
    > Illiterate women in Middle East and North Africa
    >
    > www.prb.org/Template.cfm?Section=PRB&template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=13049
    >

    It is not question to find information, it is matter to share informations and
    to be honest with your conscience. and us u know what is good for u is could be
    bad for others, like for example SEX here has no borders, or others I believe
    it is prawdziwy Sin.
    In some countries, to laught during funeral is normal, however to cry is normal
    for us, and so on.

    to be or not to be
  • babiana 20.09.06, 13:12
    "The EU reform process has not only been halted," said Cengiz Aktar, director of
    the UE research centre at Istambul's Bahcesehir University. "We'are currently
    going through a counter-reformation."

    www.guardian.co.uk/turkey/story/0,,1795426,00.html
    --
    Jesli jeden czlowiek powie ci, ze masz osle uszy, nie przejmuj sie, jesli powie
    ci to dwoch ludzi, przygotuj sobie siodlo.
  • babiana 20.09.06, 15:30
    There is also a growing number of honour killings in Great Britain, Germany,
    Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Canada etc. Are they commited by the natives?

    www.csmonitor.com/2004/0707/p06s02-woeu.html?s=widep
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    ci to dwoch ludzi, przygotuj sobie siodlo.
  • szahtut 20.09.06, 16:29
    babiana napisała:

    > There is also a growing number of honour killings in Great Britain, Germany,
    > Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Canada etc. Are they commited by the natives?
    >
    > www.csmonitor.com/2004/0707/p06s02-woeu.html?s=widep

    OK, I can see your point,
    Have you ever thought about thousand of English who are living in other
    country. did you ask them if they are terrorized by the locals anywhere. I
    doubt you dare to say Yes.
    So the question is did those foreigners have their right and as human being nor
    as animals. maybe we should look inside the circle not outside.

    I believe no one of so called killer have military armada in Iraku or africa
    nor in afganistan,
    ask your self, what kind of faith those soldier believe, 100% what? christian,
    what do yiu expect from the locals to say? freedom, democra?or dogma,

    those people who are lving in broad like you now surely they are respecting the
    our values, but when someone provoke them, surely they will react based on the
    situation.
    take time to think, use your mind before giving etiquette.
  • babiana 20.09.06, 23:02
    usenetposts napisał:

    > It'll be one more argument for not letting them in the EU.

    Some hope that Turkey's ambivalence will be nailed before it gets out of control.
    wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,55670,3623675.html

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    ci to dwoch ludzi, przygotuj sobie siodlo.
  • babiana 22.09.06, 01:39

    CNA: English cardinal, European leaders question Turkey’s place in EU, following
    criticism of pope
    9/21/2006

    Catholic News Agency (www.catholicnewsagency.com)
    MUNICH, Germany (CNA) - The president of Bavaria and prelates of Britain’s
    Catholic and Anglican churches are among the most recent European leaders to
    wonder whether mostly-Islamic Turkey has a place in the European Union,
    especially following the country’s reaction to words of Pope Benedict XVI.

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    Edmund Stoiber, the president of the German region of Bavaria and leader of the
    Christian Social Union Party (CSU), the “little sister” of Germany’s ruling
    Christian Democratic Union, proposed today that deliberations on Turkey’s
    possible acceptance into the European Union be ended. According to Europa Press,
    Stoiber said the reaction of many of the ruling political leaders in Turkey to
    the words of the pope was reckless and overly critical.

    The prime minister of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and Turkish religious
    authorities continue to demand that the pope make a more sincere public apology
    for the words he spoke in a Sept. 12 discourse at the University of Regensburg,
    during his visit to Germany.

    A high-ranking Turkish politician even went so far as to compare Benedict XVI to
    Hitler or Mussolini, a comparison which exasperated Edmund Stoiber, who thinks
    that “Turkey is not now in the condition to enter the European Union.”

    “Turkey is not Europe nor does it belong to the continent, because the country
    has such great cultural and spiritual differences with western values,” Stoiber
    said.

    Meanwhile the ranking prelate of the Catholic Church in England and the former
    head of the Anglican Communion have asked similar questions.

    Cardinal Cormac Murphy O’Connor, the archbishop of Westminster (London), told
    the Times of London, “I think the question is for Europe: will the admission of
    Turkey to the European Union be something that benefits a proper dialogue or
    integration of a very large, predominantly Islamic country in a continent that,
    fundamentally, is Christian?”

    Cardinal O’Connor said that the majority of English people are Christian who,
    regardless of the secular nature of their country, have a deep yearning for God,
    based upon their Christian traditions.

    A large majority of British Christians belong to the Church of England which
    Lord George Carey of Clifton used to head. The former archbishop of Canterbury
    added his voice to those questioning Turkey’s place in the EU yesterday, telling
    the “Today” program that “Surely a European community has to be more than
    economic? It has to have common values and so on."

    "I think the jury is still out on Turkey at the moment. I look at its record on
    freedom of speech, what it is doing to writers in Turkey who want to speak out,
    and some of them are in jail,” Carey continued.

    "I think we are on a journey together. I don’t write them out of the action but
    there are questions to be pushed."

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    ci to dwoch ludzi, przygotuj sobie siodlo.
  • szahtut 22.09.06, 10:16
    very interesting, very interesting, when cardinals are taking political
    decisions.
    that cool, we will see in the near future the Europe of midlle-age, the histiry
    is going back, very well!!!

    freedom
  • szahtut 21.09.06, 01:20
    usenetposts napisał:

    > It'll be one more argument for not letting them in the EU.

    honey, maybe you should ask them to remove the millitary base and to be
    excluded from NATO ALLIENCE; WHAT ABOUT this point?
  • babiana 24.09.06, 13:49

    Last Updated: Friday, 22 September 2006, 14:13 GMT 15:13 UK

    Turkey abuse claims 'on the rise'

    Human rights are key issue in Turkey's EU bid
    An EU delegation on a fact-finding mission to Turkey has reported a "worrying"
    increase in allegations of torture and abuse in the country.

    The European Parliament's human rights committee members focused mainly on the
    Kurdish south-east of the country.

    They said they had heard reports of a resurgence of torture, abductions and
    beatings by security forces.

    Turkey has faced a barrage of criticism from Europe recently, with human rights
    a key issue in its bid to join the EU.

    'Going backwards'

    The delegation of six MEPs met officials and human rights groups in the capital
    and in Istanbul.

    They also travelled to the south-east, which has seen a serious recent upsurge
    in violence between the Turkish military and Kurdish separatists.


    These are very, very worrying times in Turkey
    Richard Howitt
    Delegation member

    The group expressed concern about the discrepancies between cases of human
    rights abuses recorded by the authorities and those reported to local human
    rights groups.

    Committee vice-chairman Richard Howitt highlighted the resurgence of political
    violence and the "very sad pieces of evidence of increased torture", after years
    when the use of torture had been declining.

    "These are very, very worrying times in Turkey indeed," he said.

    Another member of the delegation, Italian lawmaker Vittorio Agnoletto, said:
    "The impression is that the situation is going backwards." A full report on the
    delegation's findings is due to be presented to European Parliament in a month,
    although they will be discussed in a debate within the next two weeks.

    A recent report on Turkey's EU accession bid was highly critical of the pace of
    human rights reforms.

    British artist Michael Dickenson Mr Dickenson was arrested 10 days ago

    The committee's comments came as British officials in Turkey said they were
    seeking urgent clarification from the authorities about the continuing detention
    of a British artist.

    Michael Dickenson was arrested in Istanbul 10 days ago, accused of insulting the
    dignity of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

    Mr Dickenson had displayed a poster in which he had superimposed Mr Erdogan's
    head onto the body of a dog held on a leash representing the US flag.


    --
    Jesli jeden czlowiek powie ci, ze masz osle uszy, nie przejmuj sie, jesli powie
    ci to dwoch ludzi, przygotuj sobie siodlo.
  • babiana 03.10.06, 20:09
    I hope Turkey doesn't have to ban the Pope's visit.
    news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5403976.stm
    --
    Jesli jeden czlowiek powie ci, ze masz osle uszy, nie przejmuj sie, jesli powie
    ci to dwoch ludzi, przygotuj sobie siodlo.

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