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Is Poland most underestimated country in theWorld?

18.12.06, 08:40
Some may say that; "I desperate for attention, and I'm hungry for
recognition, and generally something's wrong with me", when I bring up this
subject. But why not discuss something that seems so obvious? I don't know
about you but me as Pole, always seem to notice little things such;

1. what there's a lot of noise in the World media about Miss World Finals if
it takes place in China or in Puerto Rico, but when this year MF finals was
in Warsaw, Poland....nothing smile

2. when US President visits Germany, all world media headlines say; "George
Bush is in Germany!" but when he visits Poland; "George Bush is in Eastern
Europe"....smile

3. Poland contributs troops to Iraq, but world media choses not to mention
Poland by name, curiously nameing Holland... which have send half of the
number of troops....Hmm, I wonder what's the deal here smile


I can only imagine what would happen if it wasn't Polish volleyball side that
played in the finals with Brasil... but the football team in the biggest
sport event in the World....I guess CNN, BBC and Deutsche Welle would have to
pretend that their transmitors suddenly went dead smile


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  • ianek70 18.12.06, 10:04
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > Some may say that; "I desperate for attention, and I'm hungry for
    > recognition, and generally something's wrong with me", when I bring up this
    > subject.

    When you brought it up 100 times it did seem that way.

    > But why not discuss something that seems so obvious?

    If it's so obvious, why bother discussing it?
    Poland's completely great and there's a huge international conspiracy to keep
    this fact from the front pages of the world's newspapers.
    End of discussion.
  • waldek1610 18.12.06, 12:13
    ianek70 napisał:

    > If it's so obvious, why bother discussing it?
    > Poland's completely great and there's a huge international conspiracy to keep
    > this fact from the front pages of the world's newspapers.
    > End of discussion.

    Conspiracies are somethimes real things, and not only in the heads of paranoid
    people smile

    It only takes to look at the Litvinienko murder case, Russian gov said he was
    never a KBG agent, but a simple prison guard, and according to them he killed
    himself.

    But it is easy to prove that he was a KBC agent who infiltrated to the west,
    and such people sometimes become "inconvenient" get killed. But some people
    will do anything to deny the truth. You don't suspect Russia of the fair play,
    why would you think western media is all clean and honest?
  • ianek70 20.12.06, 10:17
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > But it is easy to prove that he was a KBC agent who infiltrated to the west,
    > and such people sometimes become "inconvenient" get killed.

    Well, that certainly proves that Poland's underappreciated.
  • waldek1610 21.12.06, 06:01
    ianek70 napisał:

    > waldek1610 napisał:
    >
    > > But it is easy to prove that he was a KBC agent who infiltrated to the
    > > west, and such people sometimes become "inconvenient" get killed.

    > Well, that certainly proves that Poland's underappreciated.


    I take it back, maybe Poland is not the most underestimated, but certaintly as
    you put it; "underaprecitated" smile


  • hardenfelt 18.12.06, 13:06
    Welcome back Waldek. I missed you!
  • waldek1610 21.12.06, 06:07
    usenetposts napisał:

    > He's done his "time", and now he's a free man!


    Well, I sort of feel like a Nelson Mandela or Lech Walesa, who's was let out of
    prison... and was handed over power and asked to rule in the very same day smile
    Yes, the history knows a lot of paradoxes.

    Still my "prison" was quite a beautifull place smile


  • usenetposts 18.12.06, 19:29
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > Some may say that; "I desperate for attention, and I'm hungry for
    > recognition, and generally something's wrong with me", when I bring up this
    > subject. But why not discuss something that seems so obvious? I don't know
    > about you but me as Pole, always seem to notice little things such;
    >
    > 1. what there's a lot of noise in the World media about Miss World Finals if
    > it takes place in China or in Puerto Rico, but when this year MF finals was
    > in Warsaw, Poland....nothing smile
    >
    > 2. when US President visits Germany, all world media headlines say; "George
    > Bush is in Germany!" but when he visits Poland; "George Bush is in Eastern
    > Europe"....smile
    >
    > 3. Poland contributs troops to Iraq, but world media choses not to mention
    > Poland by name, curiously nameing Holland... which have send half of the
    > number of troops....Hmm, I wonder what's the deal here smile
    >
    >
    > I can only imagine what would happen if it wasn't Polish volleyball side that
    > played in the finals with Brasil... but the football team in the biggest
    > sport event in the World....I guess CNN, BBC and Deutsche Welle would have to
    > pretend that their transmitors suddenly went dead smile
    >

    It certainly seems that the only time Poland gets its fair share of coverage is
    when something negative is going on.

    Like the Shoah, for instance. Then it's not "Nazi death camps" it's "Polish
    death camps". I was one who wrote to the Economist over that one and didn't
    even get a bare acknowledgement of my complaint.

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    - Uncle Davey's Homepage -
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  • kylie1 18.12.06, 21:47
    Hi Waldek. Good to see you back! smile)

    Waldek, I oftentimes wondered why a lot of Canadians and Americans don't know
    where Poland/Romania/Hungary/the Chech Republic (etc.)are. I think that if you
    tell them they belong in Eastern Europe, that's probably all they can handle. I
    am sure you must know what they teach in schools here. They know about the "bad"
    Germans and the nasty looking swastikas but if you ask anyone where exactly
    Germany is, they are lost.

    I think it will change with time. So far, Poland with all its beauty and great
    people has been a relatively unknown country on the plains of central Europe.

    smile
  • waldek1610 21.12.06, 06:39
    nasza_maggie napisała:

    > oh well..

    Sure, it doesn't make a difference to Wasza_Maggie because she pretends to be
    British anyways, so why would she care wheater Poland's image in western media
    is positive or not?

    What counts to her is that she's all posh, fantastic gal and she serves the
    Queen smile

  • kylie1 21.12.06, 07:21
    Waldek, I really don't think it is the same Maggie any more. Literally.
  • waldek1610 21.12.06, 07:27
    kylie1 napisała:

    > Waldek, I really don't think it is the same Maggie any more. Literally.\

    Are you implying, she has grown up and moved on pass her fascination with
    everything British and western? I noticed her signature has changed...How
    exactlly did she changed?


    --
    Gdyby kobieta byla samochodem; nie posiadala by zadnych hamulcow, jej
    kierownica dzialalaby tylko czasami, zamiast do przodu jezdzila by do tylu i
    bokami...oraz zadna powazna firma ubezpieczeniowa nigdy nie zgodzilaby sie
    czegos takiego ubezpieczyc... smile
  • kylie1 21.12.06, 07:44
    I have a feeling it's a different person altogether. Her English is flawless.

    smile
  • waldek1610 21.12.06, 09:19
    well, her English was never bad, you got to give it to her. She is the
    moderator of the English Only forum, after all. Still there's something about
    her I dislike.
  • usenetposts 23.12.06, 03:41
    waldek1610 napisał:

    > well, her English was never bad, you got to give it to her. She is the
    > moderator of the English Only forum, after all. Still there's something about
    > her I dislike.

    You can't please everybody. Maggie will just have to learn to live with the
    fact that you don't like her.

    ... that is, you LOVE her.

    --
    - Uncle Davey's Homepage -
    :: Foreigners Living in Poland Forum
  • minimus 19.12.06, 00:48
    > Waldek, I oftentimes wondered why a lot of Canadians and Americans don't know
    > where Poland/Romania/Hungary/the Chech Republic (etc.)are. I think that if you
    > tell them they belong in Eastern Europe, that's probably all they can handle.
    I
    > am sure you must know what they teach in schools here. They know about
    the "bad

    Do you think ppl in Poland could name at least some of the states in USA or
    Canada? Why should Americans bother about where Poland is? Does it affect their
    lives in any significant way?
    BTW its Czech not Chech!
  • kylie1 19.12.06, 07:33
    > Do you think ppl in Poland could name at least some of the states in USA or
    > Canada?

    I don't know, minimus...can they?

    >Why should Americans bother about where Poland is?

    No other reason other than Poles know where the United States is.


  • minimus 19.12.06, 18:28
    > I don't know, minimus...can they?

    No, of course they can't.

    > No other reason other than Poles know where the United States is.

    Please...
  • marcus_anglikiem 19.12.06, 19:52
    > > Do you think ppl in Poland could name at least some of the states in USA
    > or
    > > Canada?

    They have states in Canada too ? wink
  • queenkong 20.12.06, 02:09
    marcus_anglikiem napisał:

    > > > Do you think ppl in Poland could name at least some of the states i
    > n USA
    > > or
    > > > Canada?


    Um, actually they can. show me one pole, who has no idea, where california is.

    (me being polish and knowing at being able to name at least 20 states off hand
    prolly influences my judgement...big_grin)


  • usenetposts 20.12.06, 20:33
    marcus_anglikiem napisał:

    > > > Do you think ppl in Poland could name at least some of the states i
    > n USA
    > > or
    > > > Canada?
    >
    > They have states in Canada too ? wink

    They are called as follows:

    Yukos,
    British Colombia
    Alberto Balsam
    Sasquatchy-one
    Northwest Terriers
    Northeast Terriers (including the Newfoundland terrier and the labrador
    retriever)
    Nunodat
    Matineeba
    Antananarivo
    Queueback
    Prince Edward's Vancover Island
    Halifax (also known as Nova Scots terrier) and last but not least
    New Bunswick.

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  • usenetposts 20.12.06, 20:37
    kylie1 napisała:

    > Hi Waldek. Good to see you back! smile)
    >
    > Waldek, I oftentimes wondered why a lot of Canadians and Americans don't know
    > where Poland/Romania/Hungary/the Chech Republic (etc.)are. I think that if you
    > tell them they belong in Eastern Europe, that's probably all they can handle.
    I
    > am sure you must know what they teach in schools here. They know about
    the "bad
    > "
    > Germans and the nasty looking swastikas but if you ask anyone where exactly
    > Germany is, they are lost.
    >
    > I think it will change with time. So far, Poland with all its beauty and great
    > people has been a relatively unknown country on the plains of central Europe.
    >


    I'm reminded of the scene from Bridget Jones where Dan Cleaver asks Bridget to
    name some of the countries Germany has a border with.

    Recently I had a candidate for work and I asked her what borders Austria had.
    She said it didn't have any borders, as it was an island.

    She was also adamant that David Brown wrote the da Vinci Code, and only yielded
    when I did a quick internet search in front of her and saw it was Dan all
    along.

    She didn't get the job.

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    - Uncle Davey's Homepage -
    :: Foreigners Living in Poland Forum
  • minimus 20.12.06, 21:20
    Obviously she was American big_grin
  • usenetposts 20.12.06, 22:32
    minimus napisał:

    > Obviously she was American big_grin

    I'm afraid not. She actually was the product of a fine Polish university, and
    had the average of a 4.

    But she was very attractive, attractive enough to get the grades despite being
    mucho stewpida. But I'm afraid we don't employ on that basis.

    --
    - Uncle Davey's Homepage -
    :: Foreigners Living in Poland Forum
  • minimus 21.12.06, 00:40
    > But she was very attractive, attractive enough to get the grades despite
    being mucho stewpida.

    I dont think being attractive has got anything to do with it. From what I've
    heard at least. Also I met quite a few graduates of such a prestigous
    University as WSE who were not only 'mucho stewpida' but also ugly.

    > But I'm afraid we don't employ on that basis.
    Shame. Next time u think of redecorating your office ring her again.

    BTW, I hope you spoke clearly enough for her to hear that your saying Austria
    not Australia. But even than she would have been wrong as Australia is not an
    island.
  • usenetposts 23.12.06, 03:39
    minimus napisał:

    > > But she was very attractive, attractive enough to get the grades despite
    > being mucho stewpida.
    >
    > I dont think being attractive has got anything to do with it. From what I've
    > heard at least. Also I met quite a few graduates of such a prestigous
    > University as WSE who were not only 'mucho stewpida' but also ugly.
    >
    > > But I'm afraid we don't employ on that basis.
    > Shame. Next time u think of redecorating your office ring her again.
    >

    If I feel like sending us all bankrupt, then I'll start suggesting jobs for
    pretty airheads in our company, and she'll be right up the list.

    > BTW, I hope you spoke clearly enough for her to hear that your saying Austria
    > not Australia. But even than she would have been wrong as Australia is not an
    > island.

    Well, I said it three times very clearly.

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  • waldek1610 21.12.06, 06:31
    kylie1 napisała:

    > Hi Waldek. Good to see you back! smile)

    Thank you, and likewise smile

    > Waldek, I oftentimes wondered why a lot of Canadians and Americans don't know
    > where Poland/Romania/Hungary/the Chech Republic (etc.)are. I think that if you
    > tell them they belong in Eastern Europe, that's probably all they can handle.

    Sure, for many Americans country doesn't exist unless they have drove a car, or
    used some other prominent product made in that country....Or unless they have
    seen it on TV, for example Russia doesn't produce nothing advanced and average
    consumer doesn't care where the oil and other energy suplies come from, but
    every American or Brit have heard of KBC agents, Ivan Drago, and other pop
    culture names.



    > I am sure you must know what they teach in schools here. They know about
    > the "bad" Germans and the nasty looking swastikas but if you ask anyone where
    > exactly Germany is, they are lost.


    Well, that was not a good example, because Germans were in fact bad and
    swasticas was the symbol of the nasty ideology and German regime that have
    killed milion of Poles and others.


    > I think it will change with time. So far, Poland with all its beauty and great
    > people has been a relatively unknown country on the plains of central Europe.
    > smile


    It still sounds like an understatement...as if everything Poland had to offer
    was its natural beuty and its people. Believe me what you just said is somewhat
    biased, because Poland in fact has much more to offer, than just what was
    created by nature smile



  • kylie1 21.12.06, 07:17
    In Canada most folks associate Poland with the Pope. And that's probably all
    they really know about Poland. So if I say I am originally from Poland, they
    would say: "Oh,yeah,I know...there is a Polish Pope". Well, yes, he is dead now,
    you know.

    In any case, what happens on the other side of the pond is never big news here,
    unless it directly affects us in some way. If it's the cars we drive or anything
    else for that matter.

    Of course, there is more to Poland than trees and flowers. There is magnificent
    art, architecture, cultural traditions, Polish cuisine, not to mention the
    wonderful hospitality of its people. I think it remains largely unknown and
    unappreciated because of the long lasting communist regime. Poland is just
    staring to open its doors to the world and - like I said - it will take time.

    smile

  • waldek1610 21.12.06, 07:31
    Sure, we can't expect that others will give us prominance, we Poles have to
    shove it in their faces, only then they will aknowlege us smile
  • waldek1610 21.12.06, 06:18
    usenetposts napisał:

    > It certainly seems that the only time Poland gets its fair share of coverage
    > is when something negative is going on.

    And why is that?.. what's your take on that?
    Well, at least borders are open and many Brits and other Western Europeans come
    to Poland for vacation and even on weekends, so I would rather have them
    positively suprised, and understand that their media is rather unfair and
    biased in portraing Poland.


    > Like the Shoah, for instance. Then it's not "Nazi death camps" it's "Polish
    > death camps". I was one who wrote to the Economist over that one and didn't
    > even get a bare acknowledgement of my complaint.


    I guess your complaint was not helpfull to the special interest groups standing
    behind The Economist.....

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