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  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 21.11.02, 13:06
    Gee!
    Could they mistake Poland for Iraq, do you think, Bert?

    BTW, would you be good enough, to explain the FBI and CIA, where they really
    go separate?
  • Gość: Bert IP: *.214.112.14.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net 21.11.02, 14:43
    Gość portalu: chickenShorts napisał(a):

    > Gee!
    > Could they mistake Poland for Iraq, do you think, Bert?

    That's not outside the realm of possibility.


    > BTW, would you be good enough, to explain the FBI and
    CIA, where they really
    > go separate?

    Are you after the recent events or the endemic conflict
    of interest?
  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 21.11.02, 15:48
    Gość portalu: Bert napisał(a):
    > Are you after the recent events or the endemic conflict
    > of interest?<

    You've got it! But also, how do they help/confuse each other on terrorism
    OUTSIDE US of A? Is FBI an uderdog in that perspective?

    Thanks in advance!
  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 21.11.02, 20:49

    Oh, come on, I asked seriously. Which one is more 'powerful', FBA or CIA? And
    as far as 'world policing' is concerned, who is more likely to knock on
    the 'terrorist's' door in , say, Karachi, CIA or FBI?
  • Gość: Bert IP: *.214.112.14.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net 21.11.02, 21:50
    How am I supposed to know? Neither one reports to me.
    Besides, you expect me to leak national secrets?
    Technically, operations outside the US borders are CIA's
    responsibility. FBI is expected to snoop on the
    citizenry. Recently FBI established some "outpost" all
    over the planet. Is that legal? No. Did anybody object to
    that? No. Either way, does it really matter who kicks
    your butt as long as your butt gets kicked?
    On top of that the loopy Congress has just voted yeah on
    the Homeland Security Office. Will the new monstrosity
    venture to foreign lands? I can bet my belly button it's
    just a question of time. The fix is in.

  • Gość: chickenShorts< IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 21.11.02, 22:10
    Gość portalu: Bert napisał(a):

    > How am I supposed to know? Neither one reports to me.<

    But maybe you know somebody who knows somebody who knows...? OK, so you don't.

    > Besides, you expect me to leak national secrets?<

    Aaa... besides, eh? Psst, you could be a Wallenrod for our Workers Paradise
    sause... Honorary Life Citizenship!

    > Technically, operations outside the US borders are CIA's
    > responsibility. FBI is expected to snoop on the
    > citizenry. Recently FBI established some "outpost" all
    > over the planet. Is that legal? No. Did anybody object to
    > that? No. Either way, does it really matter who kicks
    > your butt as long as your butt gets kicked?<

    It does matter in Karachi! At least that's what our man in Karachi said...


    > On top of that the loopy Congress has just voted yeah on
    > the Homeland Security Office. Will the new monstrosity
    > venture to foreign lands? I can bet my belly button it's
    > just a question of time. The fix is in.<

    All the more reason to consider my earlier suggestion suggestion.

    Well, I'm disappinted with your lack of cooperation.
    I suggest you reconsider... So long.
  • namonik 21.11.02, 23:02
    I see you are having fun, but still legally blind is leading the blind.
    FBI and CIA are two separate agencies. One would have to go back to 1973
    to understand why both were rendered impotent. The domain of CIA is gathering
    intelligence as FBI primarily is responsible for crime investigation and
    counter-intelligence. It's not illegal for FBI to establish foreign offices.
    Bert is wrong.

    I think Americans did very well on National Geographic test.
    Why? Well, geography is not being taught in american schools.
    Despite that 11 % can find their own country on the map of the world.
    Amazing.
  • Gość: Bert IP: *.214.112.14.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net 21.11.02, 23:32
    You show me where in the US code it says the FBI is
    allowed to establish itself outside the federal
    jurisdiction. Point me to any congressional law in that
    effect.
  • namonik 22.11.02, 01:28
    I can't fullfill your request simply because I'm not a constitutional lawyer.
    I can give you a few pointers so you'll be able to familiarize yourself with
    the issue in question. I have no doubts to the legality of FBI operations
    in foreign countries. Has it been challanged?

    Can FBI agents operate overseas?
    Under certain circumstances. FBI agents are assigned as Legal Attaches (LEGATS)
    to United States Embassies overseas. While the entire Embassy operation is
    under the control and guidence of the US State Department's Foreign Service
    Office, FBI LEGATS often work in close conjunction with the host country's
    domestic law enforcement agencies at the national as well as provincial and
    local levels. In some, very limited situations, FBI agents have arrest powers
    overseas, usually only in drug, espionage and terrorism cases, and then usually
    only with the agreement of the host country.

    www.sonic.net/~drambo/fbifaq.htm
    www.fbi.gov/contact/legat/legat.htm#i
  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 22.11.02, 00:05
    namonik napisał:
    > I see you are having fun, but still legally blind is leading the blind.
    > FBI and CIA are two separate agencies. One would have to go back to 1973
    > to understand why both were rendered impotent. The domain of CIA is gathering
    > intelligence as FBI primarily is responsible for crime investigation and
    > counter-intelligence. It's not illegal for FBI to establish foreign offices.
    > Bert is wrong.<

    I think he is purposely misleading...

    > I think Americans did very well on National Geographic test.
    > Why? Well, geography is not being taught in american schools.
    > Despite that 11 % can find their own country on the map of the world.
    > Amazing.<

    Well, maybe... But when they'll go policing the world with that knowledge
    backed by CIA's fucksbox 'facts'... It's not funny.
  • namonik 22.11.02, 01:38
    One blunder does not disqualify the publication.
    As of policing function, well, there is nobody else willing and capable to do
    the dirty work. Success has many fathers as defeat is an orphan.
    Do you think the impotent French can do the job? They are good talking but not
    walking. Someone called USA a Fire Department. I like that.

    www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/
  • Gość: Bert IP: *.214.69.40.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net 22.11.02, 02:17
    namonik napisał:

    > One blunder does not disqualify the publication.
    > As of policing function, well, there is nobody else
    willing and capable to do
    > the dirty work. Success has many fathers as defeat is
    an orphan.
    > Do you think the impotent French can do the job? They
    are good talking but not
    > walking.

    What job? What success?
    50 years of it?

    Someone called USA a Fire Department. I like that.

    Put out any fire you like in your own backyard. Look at
    the map, for goodness sake.
    I forget, you don't care about geography.


  • namonik 22.11.02, 04:16
    Don't be naive. Politics are global and our backyard is in South Korea as well
    as in Mexico.
    France is in my opinion the whore of Europe. If USA is successful in
    prosecuting the war then France will join and claim the loot. However if the
    war becomes something like Vietnam then France will be the first to claim the
    credit for not being a part of it.
    The other side of the problem is that USA cannot give up now without loosing
    the remains of its credibility. One way or another Mr. Hussein is a man of the
    past. The best thing that could happen would be his departure from power.
    But this is not very likely to happen.

    One more thing. In Bosnia that was US military and american will bringing the
    conflict to an end. As for France, they prove themselves unable to act.
    Exactly the way the acted in Ruanda. As witnesses to genocide.
    I know they can talk the talk but they have no idea how to walk the walk.
    That be it, for now.
  • Gość: Bert IP: *.214.69.40.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net 22.11.02, 01:47
    I know of this program. They are there as legal attaches
    sheltered by the embassies to interface with the local
    authorities and Interpol.
    These are not FBI offices. Embassies are run by the State
    Department.
    What about the countries with no US embassies/consulates?
    Can the FBI posts establish themselves there?
  • namonik 22.11.02, 02:17
    Honestly I don't know. My answer is no, unless there is a little known
    provision in law, hidden in the Farm Bill. You know how it works.
  • art-ek 22.11.02, 03:53
    if you folks don't mind.
    I found that little morsel in todays paper in the OPINIONS section.

    [there is no doubt we will go to war in IRAN in a year or less. Our attack on
    IRAN will have nothing to do with Sadam's alleged weapons of mass destruction
    but will relate to big business' desire to take their oil fields......
    Our power as a nation is diminished without oil and we will not allow much
    time to elapse before we move against IRAN, which we have no fondness for in
    any event...]

    Case closed!
  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 22.11.02, 09:03
    namonik!
    - are you Wacko-Wypych-Jacko by any chance? He liked straz pozarna spotting,
    too...
  • Gość: Bert IP: *.30.182.173.Dial.Boston1.Level3.net 22.11.02, 11:34
    You musy be kidding. Think about it.
  • Gość: erwas IP: 12.96.204.* 22.11.02, 16:22
    Gość portalu: Bert napisał:

    > You musy be kidding. Think about it.

    I guess chickenShorts is still thinking about it.

    but he is right. we have ourselves another manifestation of the spirit of Liga
    Amerykanskich Rodzin, Self-defence and Radio Mary.
    erwas
  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 22.11.02, 20:56

    kinoman, have you seen 'Bowling for Columbine'? Is it worth seeing?

    OK, possibly up to 700 000 murdered in Rwanda in '94 while France turned her
    back or quietly supported the Hutu government - it is sickening. But I'll tell
    you more! Did you know that the French oil group Total-Fina-Elf signed a deal
    worth US$ 3,2 billion with Saddam AFTER 9/11? That's really disgusting, in'it?
    Why don't you start a thread on a 'whore of Europe'? (Must be Perle's speech
    on a lack of 'moral fibre' that inspired that little pearl, eh?)
    You can add UK to your 'Europ's rotten' list, as well. I am too lazy to write
    any material on that but I'll give you a clue:
    news.bbc.co.uk/l/hi/world/europe/2481371.stm

    You see...? No agenda. How about you?

    "Don't be naive. Politics are global and our backyard is in S.Korea as well as
    in Mexico." Afganistan, Horn of Africa... and indeed many more soon. And all
    in order to keep this garden free of weeds, right?
    (BTW, do you get a hard on when here Tire Brigade wailing? If that's not your
    problem, why do you 'start' so many fires in the first place?)
  • namonik 22.11.02, 23:50
    What can I say? Reading your posts I came to a startling conclusion that you
    are the smart ones as I must be the stupid one. Some kind of a neighborhood
    moron.
    I wonder why?
    I think I have a chance to become a smart one like you simply by agreeing with
    your views. Am I wrong? I don’t think so.
    Before I leave this topic I’d like to make a prediction.
    The war with Iraq is imminent.
    Even without the UN resolution authorizing the war, all NATO allies including
    France will be on board. The reason for it is very simple. One cannot be a
    part of a post war reconstruction without participating in a military
    operation. Soon you’ll see change of hearts on part of all European leaders.
    After all Mr. Bush is a skillful player. He is running circles around the
    democrats. He has got 15 to nothing vote in the UN Security Council. And if
    you don’t remember, he has withdrawn from ABM Treaty without Russians
    objecting it.

    After the war you will see dramatic changes in Iran and demise of Hezbollah
    and Islamic Jihad. Mr. Arafat will leave the political scene paving the road
    to an independent Palestinian state. And Messrs. Chirac and Schroeder will
    attend a dinner party with Messrs. Bush and Blair. At the same table.
    Everything will be hunky-dory again.

    I will remain a moron in your eyes no matter what.
    Ever heard of Political Correctness?
  • Gość: erwas IP: 12.96.204.* 23.11.02, 03:07
    namonik napisał:

    > What can I say?

    namonik, namonik, if you have nothing nice to say, why say anything at all...

    > Reading your posts I came to a startling conclusion that you
    > are the smart ones as I must be the stupid one. Some kind of a neighborhood
    > moron.

    startling?

    > I wonder why?

    oh, I'm sorry namonik. don't take it so badly. this forum is not the World, it
    is not Life; it's just some dreary little nook in cyberspace.

    > I think I have a chance to become a smart one like you simply by agreeing
    > with your views. Am I wrong?

    that's an interesting question. let me sleep on it and I'll get back to you.

    > I don’t think so.

    I beg your pardon?

    > Before I leave this topic I’d like to make a prediction.

    no, no that's OK namonik, it's not necessary, you really don't have to...

    > The war with Iraq is imminent.

    oh

    > Even without the UN resolution authorizing the war, all NATO allies including
    > France will be on board.

    aha

    The reason for it is very simple. One cannot be a
    > part of a post war reconstruction without participating in a military
    > operation.

    true, how true

    > Soon you’ll see change of hearts on part of all European leade
    > rs.

    yes...yes


    > After all Mr. Bush is a skillful player.

    mmmm

    He is running circles around the
    > democrats. He has got 15 to nothing vote in the UN Security Council. And if
    > you don’t remember, he has withdrawn from ABM Treaty without Russians
    > objecting it.

    indeed

    > After the war you will see dramatic changes in Iran and demise of Hezbollah
    > and Islamic Jihad.

    yes, well they're not very nice, are they?

    > Mr. Arafat will leave the political scene paving the road
    > to an independent Palestinian state.

    namonik! man! you have a vision, man! this your idea?

    And Messrs. Chirac and Schroeder will
    > attend a dinner party with Messrs. Bush and Blair. At the same table.
    > Everything will be hunky-dory again.

    yes! yes!


    > I will remain a moron in your eyes no matter what.

    namonik! what's the matter? you were doing so well! you the forum roaring-boy,
    namonik. you are.

    > Ever heard of Political Correctness?

    em, yes, yes, I have. namonik, this is too serious to just back away from. try
    to concentrate on the subject. let me say this, for the record if you like: in
    my eyes you are not a moron. I think everyone agrees with me. in fact le's have
    a show of posts. everyone who agrees with me, please post below.

    erwas

  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 23.11.02, 14:10
    Hi, picturegoer!
    > namonik napisał:
    > Reading your posts I came to a startling conclusion that you
    > are the smart ones as I must be the stupid one.<

    You don't have to be! The way I see the difference between us, put simply,
    is that I try to jazz up the 'ole, dull 'decency' thing while you struggle to
    tag 'decent' labels on where they don't stick. You could be more successful if
    you simply dropped 'the right thing to do' preaching tone and stated crudely:
    Might is a winner, at least in a short time scale, and that's that!

    > I will remain a moron in your eyes no matter what<

    Bollocks! Just say: 'Bush is a moron' and you are a pal, man. Because he
    is, a top aide to the Canadian prime minister said so. But the real problem is
    that the moron has access to innumerable weapons of mass destruction, not that
    he is a moron.
    Namonik, you seem to belong to the group of students of American history,
    who believe that the US of A was 'born' at 8.00 AM on Dec. 7 1941! I can see
    their point. Then, your army was ranked 17 or 16 in the world. You learned
    your 'lesson' and today you are a hyper-power. The fact remains that it is a
    wrong date for the birth of your nation, conclusions are wrong and in fact the
    lesson was not one of history but psychology. The 'trauma' stuck. You should
    try a shrink. Read the 'funding fathers'...
    I see it like this: democracy is seen as the pinnacle of pollitical systems,
    capitalism - as the only workable economic system... but are they? Of course,
    they are not! They are just phases on a very long journey to... perfection...
    At present, they constitute the status quo which suits those with means, a
    minority. There are other things that are not given a chance even. But try to
    tell this in public, they'll laugh at you. That's why I am saying it here. OK,
    I'm getting carried away.
    Anyway, if you are in the business of making this world a better place, as
    you seem to insist, I suggest you start seriously adrressing the prime causes
    of problems, like Israeli-Palestinian conflict. By 'seriously' I don't mean
    calling Arafat a Mr, because he is a scum and everybody knows it,but by doing
    it now and not after you have all the land locked oil reserves.
    But, if we agreed what would we argue about? So, my friend, from Groucho
    Marx's perspective I see you as a... err... a member! Of the Freepers club!
    But I know you are ambitious, you want not only to appear but be 'smart'
    whatever that means. Well, listen what others say and doubt. Entertain ides but
    don't identify yourself with them. Be 'lamp unto yourself'. It's all in the
    mind. Somebody said that if you are able to formulate a question, you usually
    have the answer. In the meantime listen to BBC Radio Four, it's educating. And
    entertaining. Am I a patronizing twat? You damn right.


  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 23.11.02, 14:17
  • darby-lockhorn 23.11.02, 16:55
    Gość portalu: chickenShorts napisał:

    >
    > <a
    href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/"target="_blank">www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/
    > </a>


    You've got me hooked, you patronizing you-know-what (from your previous post).
    The funk show is on! Such is my mood today.
  • Gość: wacko jacko IP: *.nyc.rr.com 23.11.02, 17:00
    Erwas wrote:
    >..( ) we have ourselves another manifestation of the spirit of Liga
    >Amerykanskich Rodzin, Self-defence and >Radio Mary.
    That’s very interesting assumption if not an accusation. May I ask how did you
    arrive to that conclusion?

    BTW, it is defense not defence. Defencing - taking down the fence. Defending -
    not letting the fence to be taken down.


    I do agree with namonik’s opinion of president Bush. I think he is a skillful
    player. First he has taken democratic election issues of the table. And on
    November the 5th he has delivered a knock out punch.
    For the first time in history a republican president in midterm elections has
    increased the number of congressional seats. He controls the agenda. Maybe he
    is not such a moron as the aide to the aide to a Canadian prime minister
    thinks. Surely Messrs. Daschle and Gephardt may reevaluate their opinions.

    I’m going to save namonik’s predictions and if he is right I will post it again
    (copyrights observed)

    You know what? The hell with it. You guys should form a mutual adoration
    society and be deaf to opposing views as opposing in your minds means STUPID,
    UNEDUCATED, IDIOTIC, EVIL etc. Why would anyone not sharing you opinions expose
    himself to your ridiculing comments? Beats me.

    I’ve been exposed.
  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 23.11.02, 18:32
    Wacko, how are you? Are you comfortable in that split (of consciousness)?

    >Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał:
    > You know what? The hell with it. You guys should form a mutual adoration
    > society and be deaf to opposing views as opposing in your minds means STUPID,
    > UNEDUCATED, IDIOTIC, EVIL etc.<

    Are you now taking oration lessons from Fallwel? Where and when did I address
    YOU with any of the above adj.? Come on!

    > I’ve been exposed.<

    No, you exposed yourself! And that's an offenCe.
    You spelling Nazi! Now, ' ... sue me, shoot the bullet thru me'...
  • Gość: wacko jacko IP: *.nyc.rr.com 24.11.02, 01:56
    Nazi? well, who cares. Play with yourself or erwas. I'm out.
  • Gość: erwas IP: 12.96.204.* 24.11.02, 07:27
    Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał:

    > Erwas wrote:
    > >..( ) we have ourselves another manifestation of the spirit of Liga
    > >Amerykanskich Rodzin, Self-defence and >Radio Mary.

    > That’s very interesting assumption if not an accusation. May I ask how
    > did you arrive to that conclusion?

    same whiff.

    > BTW, it is defense not defence. Defencing - taking down the fence. Defending -
    > not letting the fence to be taken down.

    the Oxford Dictionary of Current English likes defence better than defense.

    > You know what? The hell with it. You guys should form a mutual adoration
    > society and be deaf to opposing views as opposing in your minds means STUPID,
    > UNEDUCATED, IDIOTIC, EVIL etc. Why would anyone not sharing you opinions
    > expose himself to your ridiculing comments? Beats me.

    so, you are clearly upset over this. since we're on-line, both veiled and
    exposed, it's very tempting to lol-over and fan the flames. forums are such
    jolly little coliseums.

    listen to the wise chicken. the chicken says you must not identify with your
    political views. look inside and find your Self. ask: "who am I". if a high
    pitched, ever rising chorus answers: "a Republican!", means you're still on the
    wrong track. you must let go.

    next time we argue an issue I would like to know that you are a happy
    gladiator, attending the arena voluntarily and be not mortally or even in the
    least bit wounded by the wave upon wave of savage blows being rained down on
    your STUPID, UNEDUCATED, IDIOTIC, EVIL etc. views.

    erwas
  • namonik 24.11.02, 03:36
    www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?id=771B693D-5FFC-41A8-B2AD-8711BA3A40B8

    And now they are looking for that aide to put him on a plane back and make him
    a former aide. And Mr. Prime Minister is all red faced appologizing.
    Another case of total stupidity. By smart people. So who is running those
    circles around who? Who is a moron?

    Mr. Schroeder used Bush to get reelected. He let his finance minister out of
    reservation. What about the price tag?
    The same mistake was made by canadians after they knew it indeed was a mistake.
    How smart is that, I ask.
    Even if they think that Bush is a moron, the smart thing to do is to keep it to
    themselves.

    Anabashed. Greetingzzzzz.

  • darby-lockhorn 24.11.02, 04:56
    In this old profession of politics (second only to prostitution) there is a
    lot of tap dancing involved and as we all can see some of the players have to
    learn the Texas two-step in real heist. Who is in? Who is out? Who decides?
    But of course, the 'Alfa male' with the biggest stick, cerebral powers aside.


  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 24.11.02, 07:29
    Good morning, kinoman. You've never answered my question about that film? Any
    particular reason?

    namonik napisał:

    > And now they are looking for that aide to put him on a plane back and make
    him a former aide. And Mr. Prime Minister is all red faced appologizing.<

    Indeed. Surprising? Certainly not. Might is a winner...

    >Another case of total stupidity.<

    As a career move? Maybe. Do not forget the time scale. Vaclav Havel spent
    many years in prison...

    >By smart people. So who is running those
    circles around who? Who is a moron?<

    Bush. For me 'moron' is synonymous with lack of inteligence(in its pozitive
    connotations), wisdom, vision... But not cleverness. Clever people can and
    usually are manipulative and ambitious, they go to the top very often, often in
    politics; once at the top, they are a big problem for the rest of us.


    > Mr. Schroeder used Bush to get reelected.<

    Clever!!! Just shows, doesn't it?

    >He let his finance minister out of
    > reservation. What about the price tag?
    > The same mistake was made by canadians after they knew it indeed was a
    mistake.
    >
    > How smart is that, I ask.
    > Even if they think that Bush is a moron, the smart thing to do is to keep it
    to themselves.<

    I really hoped you'd be less boring. I'd rather discuss the wider
    implications of the situation than go nit-picky about what a more powerful and
    stupid can do to a less powerful...stupid or inteligent...

    > Anabashed. Greetingzzzzz.

    That's a pity but not a big surprise. You seem to have no problem agreeing
    with your other half.

    Regards.



  • Gość: erwas IP: 12.96.204.* 24.11.02, 07:39
    Gość portalu: chickenShorts napisał:

    > Good morning, kinoman. You've never answered my question about that film? Any
    > particular reason?

    "what?" a quick glance around the forum (kinoman, kinoman; could that mean
    me?), "you talking to me?"
    what film...
  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 24.11.02, 07:40

    darby!
    Agreed. Glad you found that link of some use. Thanks to it, I could listen to
    Tomasz Stanko live from London Jazz Festival...
  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 24.11.02, 07:44
    Hi, erwas,
    I asked namonik earlier if he'd seen 'Bowling for Columbine'?
  • namonik 24.11.02, 17:06
    I do not remember being asked that question. No, I haven't seen it.
    Michael Moore is known to me from his earlier productions and personally. We've
    met once. I doubt he remembers me. I remember him well.

    Moore operates on the left side of the spectrum and obviously he has the agenda.
    I am on the right side so I have chosen not to enrich him. I'll wait to see it
    on HBO.

    In all american movies and TV series if president is a good guy, he is a
    democrat facing devilish republican. If he is a bad guy, he certainly is a
    republican trying to stop expansion of goodness.

    Julia Roberts said that she found the word 'republican' in the dictionary
    between 'reptile' and 'repugnant'. Nice.
  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 24.11.02, 18:35
    namonik napisał:

    > I do not remember being asked that question.<

    You got me worried over ME for a sec. and I rushed to check my posts to see if
    I really asked you, the 'cinema lover', or that other whacky actor? But now I
    am worried about you...
    Post# 22-11-2002 20.56 begins with that question.
    Tell that 'other' guy to stop interfering with you (or vice versa) or try to
    read my posts and RESPOND to their CONTENTS. Then I'll try to be as gentlemanly
    as... a gentleman (will you accept 12y in London as my credentials to that
    effect?)

    > Michael Moore is known to me from his earlier productions and personally.
    We've met once. I doubt he remembers me. I remember him well.
    > Moore operates on the left side of the spectrum and obviously he has the
    agenda<

    Has he? (struggling to keep straight face) Well, well...
    .
    > I am on the right side so I have chosen not to enrich him.<

    Well, I think if you got closer to him, your acting skills might improve,
    however slightly, if nothing else...

    < I'll wait to see it on HBO.<
    >
    > In all american movies and TV series if president is a good guy, he is a
    > democrat facing devilish republican. If he is a bad guy, he certainly is a
    > republican trying to stop expansion of goodness.
    > Julia Roberts said that she found the word 'republican' in the dictionary
    > between 'reptile' and 'repugnant'. Nice.<

    I don't really care about American TELLY nor most of Hollywoocd movies...
    But nice of you to provide this little distraction. In return I'll tell you,
    as you seem to be pretty new to this forum, about one guy here. He is hell bent
    on DISCUSSING ISSUES, you know, rather than squabble over the spelling. He
    tries so hard, he races up his vocabulary, works on his self image and so on ...
    But then, when it comes to discussing, say, flow of Vistula, he breaks into a
    fit of a monolouge on Lake Victoria (they start both with V, granted, but they
    are f**** worlds apart). It is as though all he registered is that we talk
    geography. So he memorises chunks of a book on geography and goes into trance
    with it... But he is a good kid. Cries often that we are a bit harsh on him and
    stuff... But I must be boring you to death... sorry.
    Anyway, welcome to our forum. Say, what films do you like? Which part of NYC
    do you come from.

    See you soon, I hope!
  • namonik 24.11.02, 19:45
    Michael Moore is a very likable guy. Maybe he is a little bit too serious
    about himself, sometimes. Even though I diagree with him on every single issue
    I consider him to be a good guy. He could use some soap more often.

    I'm from Bayside. Movies. I like them all. But there is one I can watch over
    and over again. It's "Cotton Club". I don't even know why I have this love
    affair with it.
    I also love Marilyn Monroe. She was one smart chick to depart in her prime.
    Forever young.
  • Gość: erwas IP: 12.96.204.* 24.11.02, 20:14
    namonik napisał:

    > I'm from Bayside.

    a ja jestem znad Zatoki
    erwas
  • namonik 24.11.02, 21:04
    Do I sense some sarcasm?
    You mean Gulf of Mexico?

    Google>>>type: "Bayside, NY" and a map will pop up.
    Happy surfinging.
  • Gość: erwas IP: 12.96.204.* 24.11.02, 22:12
    namonik napisał:

    > Do I sense some sarcasm?
    > You mean Gulf of Mexico?

    sarcasm?!!

    wcale nie, mialem na mysli Zatoke Gdanska, nawet Pucka, nawet Mierzeje Wislana.

    erwas
  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 24.11.02, 20:20
    I asked about that film, because I wondered whether you'd recommend it? I
    haven't seen it yet. Seems to be doing extremly well across Europe. Standing
    ovations in London and etc... which - considering it's a documentary - must be
    telling a lot! I heard someone calling for compulsory screening of it in every
    school in your country. Aren't you at least curious what's this noise is all
    about? So what that the maker of the film is from 'across'? So am I, in a sense.
    But we are talking.

    'Cotton Club', overrated in my opinion. I certainly expected more and better
    music. Hoskins was good and I liked the idea. I am not really a fun of R. Geer,
    especially the 'early' one.
    I like old American Hollywood films. Lubitch, for instance. Have you ever seen
    his 'To Be or Not to Be'. From more 'recent' my favourite is 'The God Father'
    as far as the Hollywood goes.

    Like independent. Cohens and Jarmush(not all!)

    OK. Got to go. Might pop in later. Nice talking to you.
  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 24.11.02, 20:23


    Have tou seen 'Bowling...?
    BTW, your 'Colisseum' bit was really 'visual' language. Are you in movie making?
  • Gość: erwas IP: 12.96.204.* 24.11.02, 22:08
    Gość portalu: chickenShorts napisał:

    > Have tou seen 'Bowling...?

    my child prohibits me from watching movies other than of her choice.

    > BTW, your 'Colisseum' bit was really 'visual' language. Are you in movie
    making?

    you are too kind.
    I am on the fuzzy edges of film making as an almost ex-animator.

    to tell you the truth, I am much to busy doing whatever it is that I do, to
    make any kind of a living. I don't know what the figures are exactly, but our
    local area unemployment rate would make low ranking post-PGR's in Polesie look
    like boom towns. I do however have a fake part-time government job, a
    coordinator they say I am. if I'm not careful (which I always am) I get to go
    to a lot of meetings, conventions and even training sessions. great for T-
    shirts. everywhere I go I get T-shirts.
    listen to this: at conventions you can even get like backpacks and things, free.
    and if you hit the Internatonal Native circuit man, youre sailin'. Hawaii, New
    Zealand, Australia, you know, all those places.

    trouble is I'm a white guy. they all blend in, resplendent in their savage
    costume extranaganzas, while I stick out in my Wal-Mart Wranglers and newly
    acquired T-shirt.

    perhaps I should start looking for another job.
    please let me know if you hear of anything. it has to be part-time and not
    overly specific in its description.

    erwas

  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 24.11.02, 22:35

    Fresh air inspector?... Very popular in Paris. I can ask...
    Drop me a line, if you are interested.
  • Gość: erwas IP: 12.96.204.* 25.11.02, 04:45
    Gość portalu: chickenShorts napisał:

    > Fresh air inspector?... Very popular in Paris. I can ask...
    > Drop me a line, if you are interested.

    back in the 1920's General Zajac and his staff are sharing a compartament on a
    train as it rattles through the Tundra on its way out of Warsaw. suddenly the
    general screams at a young officer who is stuggling to open a window.
    "Ja myslalem...moze...troche swiezego powietrza?..." stammered the poor lad.
    "Tam gdzie ja jestem, nie ma swiezego powietrza!" roared the general.

    that kept them giggling in the good old Sztab Generalny till 1939.

    meanwhile, chickenShorts, you have to keep looking. that sniffing job sounds
    OK, but just a little too physical for me.
    bear in mind that I have high expectations, frequent migranes, zero motivation,
    but like to receive generous compensation for what little I do.

    erwas
  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 25.11.02, 14:08
    Gość portalu: erwas napisał:
    > back in the 1920's General Zajac and his staff are sharing a compartament on
    a train as it rattles through the Tundra on its way out of Warsaw.<

    Gee, weren't we zalesieni back then?

    > suddenly the general screams at a young officer who is stuggling to open a
    window.
    > "Ja myslalem...moze...troche swiezego powietrza?..." stammered the poor lad.
    > "Tam gdzie ja jestem, nie ma swiezego powietrza!" roared the general.
    >
    > that kept them giggling in the good old Sztab Generalny till 1939.

    But that's your fault. Never, never am I sure whether you are serious or...?
    Ooh, ok, my sense of humour is on a military side. I was conscripted! What
    can I do?

    > meanwhile, chickenShorts, you have to keep looking. that sniffing job sounds
    > OK, but just a little too physical for me.
    > bear in mind that I have high expectations, frequent migranes, zero
    motivation,<

    Ideal candidate!Perfect qualifications!

    > but like to receive generous compensation for what little I do.<

    Ah, that's where the snag lies. Plus, you want part-time... Sorry!
    (Have you ever thought of publishing your posts? Just a thought...)

    About three years ago, I threw in the French towel and went to London.
    Desperate, I took the first job I found in a Job Centre. 'General Care
    Assistant' in the old folks' home. More precisely, it was a hospice for old
    ladies, run by Sisters of St Mary's Convent (C.of E.) Part-time. I did
    everything:
    from cleaning to careing to helping in the kitchen... It was rather what is
    called 'menial'. I hated it! I was in a state of denial. My pride, high
    expectations-frame of mind suffered immensely on top of the general misery,
    following that French rupture... I was suicidal... But then I 'discovered'
    something new, a buddhist philosophy, buddhist approach to dealing with
    pain...meditation... and so on. It really changed a lot. Later, I even took
    extra hours in that hospital...
    Have I managed to cheer you up a bit? I like this liittle story: A great
    emperor asked the master goldsmisth, famous for his skill as well as his
    wisdom, to inscribe on a royal signet ring something that would be always true,
    whatever the circumstances... A reminder. When the emperor got the ring back,
    it read only:'it will pass'. I bet, you knew it anyway.
    Ha, ha... Gdzie ja jestem, nie ma swiezego powietrza...
  • Gość: erwas IP: 12.96.204.* 26.11.02, 06:33
    Gość portalu: chickenShorts napisał:
    Ooh, ok, my sense of humour is on a military side. I was conscripted! What
    > can I do?

    The Good Soldier chickenShorts.

    you will enjoy more General Zajac jokes. actually I am not entirely sure who
    General Zajac was. I do know however, this intimate detail of his life: each
    time the phone rung his hand hesitated and trembled slightly as it hovered
    above the receiver before finally grasping it in a firm, military sort of way.
    mostly it was "General talk", other generals calling, you know, perhaps the odd
    Marszalek, that kind of thing. but most evenings, at least once, the voice at
    the other end merely said (po polsku):
    "General Zajac?"
    "T...tt...tak, tu Zajac."
    "PIF! PAF!

    Zajac really hated this.
    that's what my dad said, anyway.

    you wrote of your tenure at:
    > a hospice for old ladies, run by Sisters of St Mary's Convent (C.of E.) Part-
    time.

    well meanwhile, back here on the Res, I recently found myself in possession of
    premises abandoned by Senior Citizens, the Feeding Trough as it is known in the
    village, since the old folks mainly attended for lunches. I was trying to move
    a kind of youth centre type operation in to the building and so set about
    removing all signs of old-folksiness from the place. the walls were covered in
    posters, many kittens in various situations with captions, majestic native
    warrior types gazing in to the distance, the odd Pope here and there, but
    mostly hard hitting warnings and advice concerning AIDS.
    something I never knew: it turns out Seniors are hard to hold back (from other
    Seniors, it is to be hoped), and are the population with the fastest rising
    incidence of AIDS in this country.
    just thought I'd throw that in.
    after all, under the watchful eyes of the Sisters of St.Mary no such rattling
    of them ol' bones could be tolerated. it takes a firm and steady hand to hold
    back these geriatric sex drives. and I'm sure that the Brides of Christ would
    be especially watchful of same-sex secret caresses.
    right?

    buddhism, hmm? I hope that the Sisters never suspected.

    >Later, I even took extra hours in that hospital...

    for extra pain to transcend?

    erwas
  • Gość: chickenShorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 26.11.02, 17:33
    Gość portalu: erwas napisał:
    > Gość portalu: chickenShorts napisał:
    > Ooh, ok, my sense of humour is on a military side. I was conscripted! What
    > > can I do?

    > "General Zajac?"
    > "T...tt...tak, tu Zajac."
    > "PIF! PAF!

    Hiiiilaarious!!! 'On a military SIDE', erwas, not MILITARY!!!

    > well meanwhile, back here on the Res, I recently found myself in possession
    of
    > premises
    > a kind of centre, the walls covered in
    > posters,
    > mostly hard hitting warnings and advice concerning AIDS.
    > something I never knew: it turns out Seniors are hard to hold back (from
    other
    > Seniors, it is to be hoped), and are the population with the fastest rising
    > incidence of AIDS in this country.
    > just thought I'd throw that in.<

    Jerry chicken says: that country of yours is SODOMIA and GOMORIA!!!
    Repent!!! REPENT!!!

    > after all, under the watchful eyes of the Sisters of St.Mary no such rattling
    > of them ol' bones could be tolerated. it takes a firm and steady hand to hold
    > back these geriatric sex drives. and I'm sure that the Brides of Christ would
    > be especially watchful of same-sex secret caresses.
    > right?<

    I'd seen needles, syringes..., though.

    > extra hours in that hospital...
    > for extra pain to transcend?
    > erwas

    No, no, no... By that time I already 'rached the other shore'. All I needed
    was extra $$$
  • namonik 26.11.02, 19:28
    I think that was Gen. Zajaczek not Zajac.

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