Dab Bartek. Prosze nie mordowac Aquanetu...

IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 25.11.04, 14:25
Pollak nazwal kiedys Aquanet "Dębem Bartkiem Forum Aktualności". To prawda,
Aquanet towarzyszył Aktualnościom od samego ich powstania. Wyrósł duży i
gruby. Chyba zadne inne forum nie może się pochwalić wątkiem pisanym od
początków istnienia portalu. Ograniczenia nakładane na ilość postów w wątku
mogą mieć sens w przypadku wątków towarzyskich lub ad hoc, ale nie w przypadku
Dębu Bartka. Aquanet to część historii portalu i juz zaden inny watek taki nie
bedzie.

Prosze wszystkie dobre dusze o wpisanie się tutaj oraz na forum o portalu z
poparciem dla Debu Bartka:

forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=299&w=18004362
    • 100krotki Re: Dab Bartek. Prosze nie mordowac.... 25.11.04, 17:08
      Gość portalu: patience napisał(a):

      > Prosze wszystkie dobre dusze o wpisanie się tutaj oraz na forum o portalu z
      > poparciem dla Debu Bartka:
      >

      ja bym może i poparła apel o darowanie bartkowi aquanet życia, ale moje łącza
      już dawno temu położyły kres jego żywotowi na moim monitorze
      • Gość: patience Re: Dab Bartek. Prosze nie mordowac.... IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 25.11.04, 17:44
        > ja bym może i poparła apel o darowanie bartkowi aquanet życia, ale moje łącza
        > już dawno temu położyły kres jego żywotowi na moim monitorze


        To moze poprzyj w czynie spolecznym?
        wink
        • 100krotki Re: Dab Bartek. Prosze nie mordowac.... 25.11.04, 17:55
          Gość portalu: patience napisał(a):

          > To moze poprzyj w czynie spolecznym?
          > wink

          tak w ciemno?
          chociaż jakiś kolorowy szaliczek jako znak rozpoznawczy
          może być wzorek nawet w 100krotki
          • Gość: patience Re: Dab Bartek. Prosze nie mordowac.... IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 25.11.04, 18:12
            > tak w ciemno?

            W ciemno, bo w cieniu dęba bartka aquanet. Pien gruby, wszyscy moga sie plecami
            oprzec, liscie szumia, chronia przed ostrym sloncem i dziura ozonowa, ludnosc
            gaworzy miedzy soba, wyciaga z koszyków wałowke, przyjemnie.
            • 100krotki Re: Dab Bartek. Prosze nie mordowac.... 25.11.04, 18:50
              Gość portalu: patience napisał(a):

              > > tak w ciemno?
              >
              > W ciemno, bo w cieniu dęba bartka aquanet. Pien gruby, wszyscy moga sie
              plecami
              > oprzec, liscie szumia, chronia przed ostrym sloncem i dziura ozonowa, ludnosc
              > gaworzy miedzy soba, wyciaga z koszyków wałowke, przyjemnie.

              Patience

              na wspomnienie ...borsuka w konarach dębu i ...coś tam jeszcze

              popieraw twój apel o nie uśmiercanie aquanetu
              a le czy jeden "w ciemno" oddany głos 100krotki uchroni bartka od przeznaczenia?
              • Gość: patience Re: Dab Bartek. Prosze nie mordowac.... IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 25.11.04, 19:03
                Wspomnienie nieadekwatne. On nie siedzial w cieniu Bartka. I kto wie, moze
                uratuje? Na moj nos mozliwosci techniczne sa, tylko na razie sie zastanawiaja.
                • 100krotki Re: Dab Bartek. Prosze nie mordowac.... 25.11.04, 19:08
                  Gość portalu: patience napisał(a):

                  > Wspomnienie nieadekwatne. On nie siedzial w cieniu Bartka. I kto wie, moze
                  > uratuje? Na moj nos mozliwosci techniczne sa, tylko na razie sie zastanawiaja.

                  znowu ta grypsera
                  miejcie litość nad 100krotkami
                  ledwie już...zipią
                  • mcattery up ! dołączam sie do prosby ! 25.11.04, 19:45
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                        • Gość: patience Re: A tu podpis wszyskich moich nikow. PopieramY! IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 25.11.04, 20:04
                          Bardzo wszystkim dziekujesmile

                          PS.
                          Panie Jozefie, na widok wielkiej ilosci panskich nikow wysypanych na stol w
                          ramach podpisu, i to tylko w jednym poscie, bardzo sie rozrzewnilamwink
                          • 100krotki Re: A tu podpis wszyskich moich nikow. PopieramY! 25.11.04, 20:17
                            Gość portalu: patience napisał(a):

                            > Bardzo wszystkim dziekujesmile
                            >
                            > PS.
                            > Panie Jozefie, na widok wielkiej ilosci panskich nikow wysypanych na stol w
                            > ramach podpisu, i to tylko w jednym poscie, bardzo sie rozrzewnilamwink

                            danek4 to ja
                            czyli 100krotki smile
                            i nie mam nic wspólnego z jakimś tam podszywkowym il od q czy qi czy już nie
                            wiem jak się to pisze jak się jest przede wszystkim osłem a dopiero potem
                            100krotkiem
                          • Gość: Józef Zawadzki Re: A tu podpis wszyskich moich nikow. PopieramY! IP: 213.172.36.* 25.11.04, 20:20
                            Większość ludzi wzrusza się taka manifestacja solidarności wszystkich
                            Zawadzkich ale tylko wielcy ludzie potrafią się do tego przyznać

                            • 100krotki Re: A tu podpis wszyskich moich nikow. PopieramY! 25.11.04, 20:32
                              Gość portalu: Józef Zawadzki napisał(a):

                              > Większość ludzi wzrusza się taka manifestacja solidarności wszystkich
                              > Zawadzkich ale tylko wielcy ludzie potrafią się do tego przyznać
                              >

                              to ja mam z tego wnioskować, ze Patience jest wielka?
                              ile ona ma centymetrów?
                              • drf ---------- AQUANET ------------- 25.11.04, 22:08
                                --------
                                • Gość: patience Re: ---------- AQUANET ------------- IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 25.11.04, 22:34
                                  ...crossroads2004....


                                  sciskam.
                                  • Gość: >:< .....................microSoftSoC IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 26.11.04, 00:32
                                    Tebe podpisuje sie cytatem nadwornego sociologa Microsoftu Marka Smitha :

                                    ..........................................................................
                                    "I'm a social scientist--I don't know the difference between good and bad, only
                                    the difference between difference."

                                    news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065298.html
                                    .....

                                    oczywiscie sa tez inne opinie...
                                    Applying a reputation to users of NewsGroups
                                    A CNET, article entitled "Microsoft's in-house sociologist" interviews Marc
                                    Smith, a sociologist working for Microsoft. He is researching the users of
                                    newsgroups. Two findings of note - over two-thirds of all posts are by IDs who
                                    never repost. This can be explained, partly by users using multiple IDs and
                                    also by many users with only one question to ask. The other is how to
                                    distinguish between "flame warriors" and "knowledge sharers" (perhaps flamers
                                    should be re-labelled "opinion sharers"!) It's to do with how regularly you
                                    post and your answers to posts and your thread to posts ratios.

                                    One quote I liked "I'm a social scientist - I don't know the difference between
                                    good and bad, only the difference between difference". I would prefer "... only
                                    that some actions are labelled differently", but still. An interesting piece.

                                    Oh! One last quote. "Ultimately we may have to fragment our identities."

                                    www.impudent.org.uk/2003/08/applying-reputation-to-users-of.html
                                    ...........................................


                                    Marc Smith o sobie :

                                    research.microsoft.com/~masmith/

                                    ..............

                                    altenatywa

                                    www.google.se/search?num=100&hl=en&q=open+source&spell=1
                                    • Gość: patience compatibilists, free will and casuality IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 26.11.04, 02:09
                                      www.btinternet.com/~l.element/pi1118/pi1118determinism5.htm#clip

                                      Introduction to clip from Hamlet
                                      (Lawrence Olivier version)

                                      It is tempting to think the more you think about a decision, the freer it is.

                                      The paradigm of the free action is perhaps the one that is not done quickly or
                                      rashly or automatically but calmly, thoughtfully after careful deliberation.

                                      What would you choose as an example from literature of someone making a
                                      difficult decision?

                                      Here is my choice.

                                      This is a chap who has quite a bit on his mind. There has been unhappiness in
                                      the home, his love-life is not going well and he has begun seeing things.

                                      The decision he is on the verge of is the big one: Is it all worth it? Why not
                                      just pack it in?

                                      Just to show I have the vestiges of a classical education, in case you were
                                      beginning to have your doubts.

                                      Did anyone have the same idea?
                                      A FURTHER ISSUE: DO CAUSES COMPEL?

                                      One argument used by compatibilists is that it is a mistake to treat causality
                                      as somehow compelling or forcing things to happen. A.J.Ayer is one of these. You
                                      will find him putting this point in the article you are asked to read - 'Freedom
                                      and Necessity', the Reader, pp 481-486:

                                      "... the use of the very word 'determinism' is in some degree misleading. For it
                                      tends to suggest that one event is somehow in the power of another, whereas the
                                      truth is merely that they are factually correlated." Ayer, Reader, p. 485.

                                      One way of putting the anti-compatibilist case is to say that the causes of a
                                      decision are a sort of constraint. The inner physical state of the body,
                                      including for example, the pattern of nervous activity that obtains immediately
                                      prior to a decision is an important part of the circumstances, the conditions,
                                      which determine what the decision shall be - this is the determinist view. Ayer
                                      again is a compatibilist who objects that this is to treat physiological
                                      conditions on a par with prison bars or revolvers held against the head. It is
                                      to treat them as among the constraints or compulsions or necessities which
                                      together determine the outcome of any decision-making process.

                                      But, Ayer says, it is wrong to conceive of causality in this way.

                                      Laws of nature are not prescriptive in the way that laws of the land are
                                      prescriptive. They do not place natural objects under obligations. They simply
                                      set down established regularities in the behaviour of things.

                                      '... the laws of mechanics do not compel the planets to move in their orbits;
                                      they simply describe planetary motion. Acids are not coerced by the laws of
                                      chemistry to react with alkalis. The laws simply describe their patterns of
                                      reaction.' D.J. O'Connor, Free Will, New York, 1971, Anchor, p.73.

                                      To pursue this line we shall need to think a bit about causality in general, and
                                      to this I now turn.
                                      ---
                                      www.bun.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~suchii/phil.spacetime.html
                                      Einstein’s special and general theories of relativity combine three-dimensional
                                      space with time to form four dimensional space-time.2 Space-time consists of
                                      points or events that represent a particular place at a particular time. Your
                                      entire life thus forms a sort of twisting, turning worm in space time! The tip
                                      of the worm’s tail would be your birth and its head is the event of your death.
                                      The line which this worm creates with its body is called that object’s
                                      worldline. Einstein predicts that worldlines can be distorted by massive bodies
                                      such as black holes.

                                      www.iit.edu/~bosabri/time.html
                                      ---


                                      bU2!
                                      • Gość: drf The Time Travel Institute 2006 TTTI IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 26.11.04, 20:05
                                        Imagine that a rocket ship takes off from earth and approaches the speed of
                                        light. If we were to watch it from earth with a very powerful telescope as it
                                        traveled away from us, we would see everyone inside the ship as being frozen in
                                        time. To us their time would slow down, but to them nothing would change!
                                        ...............................
                                        Your entire life thus forms a sort of twisting, turning worm in space time! The
                                        tip of the worm’s tail would be your birth and its head is the event of your
                                        death. The line which this worm creates with its body is called that object’s
                                        worldline.
                                        ........................................
                                        There is a collection of universes, called a multiverse. Every multiverse has
                                        copies of every person, structure, and atom. For every possible event, every
                                        possible outcome is said to be played out on a different universe.

                                        www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/time/sagan.html
                                        Physicists have long puzzled over the fact that two distinct "arrows of time"
                                        both point in the same direction. In the everyday world, things wear out
                                        • Gość: patience >>>AQUANET<<< IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 26.11.04, 20:21
                                          "A paradox of time travel arises in relation to this story. The narrator does
                                          indeed set himself up "by his bootstraps"
                                          • Gość: patience drf, masz maila/nt IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 26.11.04, 21:32
                                            • patience Poprawka- jesli masz, to na koncie gw 26.11.04, 21:55
                                              na dokladke wczesniej grzebalam w swoim systemie i teraz mi wysyla rozne dziwne
                                              komunikaty, za kazdym razem inne. Na wszelki wypadek wyslalam z swojego konta gw
                                              na twoje konto w gw. To chyba powinno zadzialac. W Javie grzebalam i nie tylkosad
                                              • patience Odbior dziala 26.11.04, 22:12
                                                Wiadomosc odebralam. Ale przeczytales starego majla. To co tam napisalam to
                                                prawda i mozna korzystac. Jesli znajdziesz jakis nowy majl ode mnie, to poprosze
                                                o pokwitowanie odbioru. Jesli nie ma to sprobuje wyslac jeszcze raz. Nawet
                                                sygnaturke mi rozwalilo, nie wiem, jak to mozliwe...
                                                • patience Re: Odbior dziala 26.11.04, 22:24
                                                  ok. to ide ci zalozyc ten super-duper. za pol godziny sprawdz skrzynke w gW.
                                                  Przepraszam za korespondencje publiczna, ale najpierw zrobie ten super duper, a
                                                  potem sie zajme swoim systemem. Mam za malo sprzetu i grzebie w tym samym co
                                                  potem wchodze online.
                                              • drf dziala 26.11.04, 22:28
                                                wink
                                                • patience Re: dziala 26.11.04, 23:21
                                                  no, mam nadziejesmile)))

                                                  na wszelki wypadek wyslalam to samo info dwa razy w 2 majlach, jeden normalnie,
                                                  a nastepny jako zalacznik plik tekstowy. Teraz ide sie zajac swoim systemem

                                                  8u2!
                                                  • Gość: reCoVery Re: dziala IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 28.11.04, 02:01
                                                    "dziala nie dziala?"

                                                    YESSSSSSSSS

                                                    (ale wysylac poczty to nie moge na razie, heh)
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                                    • tebe Re: .....................microSoftSoC 26.11.04, 10:52
                                      Wyjaśnię na wszelki wypadek smile
                                      Zmieniam te cytaty, używam ostatniego, który mnie rozbawił.
                                      Kiedyś:
                                      "I'm always right, but in this case I'm just a bit more right than I usually
                                      am." Łatwy konkurs: kto to powiedział. Bez nagród.

                                      Lubię też:
                                      "programming requires you to dot every i and cross every t" - joel spolsky

                                      Proszę nie wyciągać pochopnych wniosków.
                                      pzdr
                                      • Gość: patience Re: .....................microSoftSoC IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 26.11.04, 18:52
                                        Linus Torvalds, zdecydowanie lepiej. Tebe, zawalcz o aquanet. Naprawde warto.
                                      • Gość: drf ............Joel Spolsky & MSoft & Michnik& Tebe IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 26.11.04, 21:47
                                        One Runtime To Rule Them All

                                        And along came .NET. This was a grand project, the super-duper unifying project
                                        to clean up the whole mess once and for all. It would have memory management,
                                        of course. It would still have Visual Basic, but it would gain a new language,
                                        one which is in spirit virtually the same as Visual Basic but with the C-like
                                        syntax of curly braces and semicolons. And best of all, the new Visual Basic/C
                                        hybrid would be called Visual C#, so you would not have to tell anyone you were
                                        a "Basic" programmer any more. All those horrid Windows functions with their
                                        tails and hooks and backwards-compatibility bugs and impossible-to-figure-out
                                        string-returning semantics would be wiped out, replaced by a single clean
                                        object oriented interface that only has one kind of string. One runtime to rule
                                        them all. It was beautiful. And they pulled it off, technically. .NET is a
                                        great programming environment that manages your memory and has a rich,
                                        complete, and consistent interface to the operating system and a rich, super
                                        complete, and elegant object library for basic operations.

                                        And yet, people aren't really using .NET much.

                                        Oh sure, some of them are.

                                        But the idea of unifying the mess of Visual Basic and Windows API programming
                                        by creating a completely new, ground-up programming environment with not one,
                                        not two, but three languages (or are there four?) is sort of like the idea of
                                        getting two quarreling kids to stop arguing by shouting "shut up!" louder than
                                        either of them. It only works on TV. In real life when you shout "shut up!" to
                                        two people arguing loudly you just create a louder three-way argument.

                                        (By the way, for those of you who follow the arcane but politically-charged
                                        world of blog syndication feed formats, you can see the same thing happening
                                        over there. RSS became fragmented with several different versions, inaccurate
                                        specs and lots of political fighting, and the attempt to clean everything up by
                                        creating yet another format called Atom has resulted in several different
                                        versions of RSS plus one version of Atom, inaccurate specs and lots of
                                        political fighting. When you try to unify two opposing forces by creating a
                                        third alternative, you just end up with three opposing forces. You haven't
                                        unified anything and you haven't really fixed anything.)

                                        So now instead of .NET unifying and simplifying, we have a big 6-way mess, with
                                        everybody trying to figure out which development strategy to use and whether
                                        they can afford to port their existing applications to .NET.

                                        No matter how consistent Microsoft is in their marketing message ("just
                                        use .NET—trust us!"), most of their customers are still using C, C++, Visual
                                        Basic 6.0, and classic ASP, not to mention all the other development tools from
                                        other companies. And the ones that are using .NET are using ASP.NET to develop
                                        web applications, which run on a Windows server but don't require Windows
                                        clients, which is a key point I'll talk about more when I talk about the web.

                                        Oh, Wait, There's More Coming!
                                        Now Microsoft has so many developers cranking away that it's not enough to
                                        reinvent the entire Windows API: they have to reinvent it twice. At last year's
                                        PDC they preannounced the next major version of their operating system,
                                        codenamed Longhorn, which will contain, among other things, a completely new
                                        user interface API, codenamed Avalon, rebuilt from the ground up to take
                                        advantage of modern computers' fast display adapters and realtime 3D rendering.
                                        And if you're developing a Windows GUI app today using Microsoft's "official"
                                        latest-and-greatest Windows programming environment, WinForms, you're going to
                                        have to start over again in two years to support Longhorn and Avalon. Which
                                        explains why WinForms is completely stillborn. Hope you haven't invested too
                                        much in it. Jon Udell found a slide from Microsoft labelled "How Do I Pick
                                        Between Windows Forms and Avalon?" and asks, "Why do I have to pick between
                                        Windows Forms and Avalon?" A good question, and one to which he finds no great
                                        answer.

                                        So you've got the Windows API, you've got VB, and now you've got .NET, in
                                        several language flavors, and don't get too attached to any of that, because
                                        we're making Avalon, you see, which will only run on the newest Microsoft
                                        operating system, which nobody will have for a loooong time. And personally I
                                        still haven't had time to learn .NET very deeply, and we haven't ported Fog
                                        Creek's two applications from classic ASP and Visual Basic 6.0 to .NET because
                                        there's no return on investment for us. None. It's just Fire and Motion as far
                                        as I'm concerned: Microsoft would love for me to stop adding new features to
                                        our bug tracking software and content management software and instead waste a
                                        few months porting it to another programming environment, something which will
                                        not benefit a single customer and therefore will not gain us one additional
                                        sale, and therefore which is a complete waste of several months, which is great
                                        for Microsoft, because they have content management software and bug tracking
                                        software, too, so they'd like nothing better than for me to waste time spinning
                                        cycles catching up with the flavor du jour, and then waste another year or two
                                        doing an Avalon version, too, while they add features to their own competitive
                                        software. Riiiight.

                                        No developer with a day job has time to keep up with all the new development
                                        tools coming out of Redmond, if only because there are too many dang employees
                                        at Microsoft making development tools!

                                        www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html
                                        nie wyciagam pochopnych wnioskow : I'm always right, but in this case I'm just
                                        a bit more right than I usually am....Adas M ?

                                        pzdr
                                        drf
                                        • tebe why, oh why? 01.12.04, 11:48
                                          Dlaczego link Ci nie wystarczył...
                                          Pozdrawiam
                                          • Gość: drf ..........why, oh why? IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 01.12.04, 13:18
                                            ...moze mam nienajlepsze doswiadczenia z monopolizmem ?
                                            ....wole multipolizm ?
                                            Pozdrawiam
                                          • Gość: patience Re: why, oh why, nieuczciwy konkurencie? IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 02.12.04, 12:49
                                            Male pytanie o watku 'Pytania o Forum'
                                            Autor: Gość: patience IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl
                                            Data: 02.12.2004 12:40

                                            Jak rozumiem, rzeznicy skasowali wszystkie watki przekraczajace 2500 postow,
                                            po to, zeby zalozyc swoj?

                                            Czerwoni nieuczciwie konkuruja z Aquanetem.
                                            Domagam sie O-D-W-I-E-S-Z-E-N-I-A Aquanetu w ramach prawa obywatelskiego do
                                            uczciwej konkurencji w ramach gospodarki rynkowej.

                                            forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=299&w=18219167


                                            A to nieuczciwa konkurencja (i to duzo gorsza merytorycznie!):
                                            forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=299&w=18192589


                                            sad
                                            • drf czerwone wypieki...ze wstydu ;( 03.12.04, 23:09
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                                              • I z r a e l z w y c i ę ż y ! (1341)

                                              ......................................................

                                              oto przyklady watkow zlikwidowanych przez administracje

                                              ...
                                              wstyd mi za wspopracownikow Adama Michnika crying((

                                              nieuczciwosc...manipulacje...obluda
                                              • abstrakt2003 Re: czerwone wypieki...ze wstydu ;( 04.12.04, 20:59

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                                                • szpilberg Re: czerwone wypieki...ze wstydu ;( 04.12.04, 21:24
                                                  Na moim podwórku
                                                  Rośnie drzewo jabłoni
                                                  Które zajęło I miejsce
                                                  W konkursie piękności
                                                  Oceniło je słońce
                                                  Które prawie codziennie
                                                  Wręcza mu złote medale
                                                  Jabłka które rosną na tym drzewie
                                                  Mają czerwone wypieki na twarzy
                                                  Jak zachód słońca
                                                  A smak tych jabłek
                                                  Jest bardzo słodki
                                                  Bardzo mi smakują
                                                  Mają wyjątkowy smak
                                                  Smak nadziei


                                                  Bartosz Baran

                                                  www.republika.pl/liberum_arbitrium/info/kajet_2_2.htm
                                                  • Gość: patience Re: czerwone wypieki...ze wstydu ;( IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 08.12.04, 00:11
                                                    www.mainlesson.com/display.php?author=bailey&book=hour&story=linden
                                                    THE OAK TREE AND THE LINDEN
                                                    C. S. B. Adapted from the Greek myth.

                                                    THERE was once a good old couple who lived in a little cottage upon a hilltop. Baucis and Philemon were their names, and, although they were very poor, they tended their bees, and pruned their grape vine, and milked their one cow, and were happy from morning till night. For they loved each other dearly, and they were ready to share whatever they had with any one in need.

                                                    At the foot of the hill lay a beautiful village, with pleasant roads, and rich pasture lands all about it; but it was full of wicked, selfish people, who had no love in their hearts, and thought only of themselves.

                                                    [186] One evening, as Baucis and Philemon sat in their cottage door, they saw two strangers coming slowly up the hill. There was a great noise of shouting, and the barking of the dogs from the village, for the people were following the strangers, and jeering at them because they were footsore, and ragged, and weary.

                                                    "Let us go to meet them," cried old Baucis, "and ask them to share our supper, and stay with us for the night."

                                                    So Baucis and Philemon brought the strangers, who were quite faint for food, to their cottage, and they spread before them all that they had, which was very little—a half a loaf of brown bread, a tiny bit of honey from their own hives, and a pitcher of milk. The pitcher was only partly full, and when Philemon had filled two bowls for the strangers, there was but a drop left.

                                                    The strangers ate as if they had never tasted anything as good, although the supper was exceedingly small.

                                                    "More of this delicious milk, Philemon!" cried one of the strangers, and, as Philemon took the pitcher to drain the last drop into the bowl, a wonderful fountain of milk burst forth from the bottom of the pitcher, so that the more she poured the more there remained.

                                                    And it was so with the loaf, which stayed always the same size, although the two strangers cut slice after slice, praising Philemon for its sweetness and lightness. The honey grew the color of gold, and sweeter each minute; and the single, tiny bunch of grapes grew to a bunch of such size that the strangers were not able to eat it, and the grapes filled all the cottage with their wonderful fragrance.

                                                    "These are strange travelers!" whispered the old [187] couple to each other, "who are able to do such marvelous things."

                                                    That night Baucis and Philemon slept upon the floor, that the strangers might have their bed; and in the morning they went to the edge of the hill to see the strangers safely started on their homeward way.

                                                    "The villagers are thoughtless and rude," said Baucis. "I hope they may not torment you again, good sirs."

                                                    But the strangers smiled, and pointed to the foot of the hill. There was no village there. Where it had stood a blue lake rippled, covering, with its clear waters, the houses and the trees. Baucis and Philemon rubbed their eyes in wonder.

                                                    "People with no love in their hearts shall not live upon the earth," said the strangers. "As for you, my good people, we thank you; and whatever you wish for most, that shall be given you."

                                                    As they spoke, the strangers vanished from sight, like mist in the morning sky; and Baucis and Philemon turned to see that their tiny cottage had disappeared also, and in its place stood a tall, white marble palace, with a beautiful park all about.

                                                    So the old couple went in, and they lived in their palace a great, great while, taking good care of their wonderful pitcher. No one ever passed their door without having a drink from the bubbling fountain of milk, and Baucis and Philemon were so happy doing good deeds for others that they never thought of wishing for anything for themselves.

                                                    But, after years and years had passed they grew very old.

                                                    "I wish we might never die, but could always stay together!" said Baucis, one day, to Philemon.

                                                    [188] The next morning, where the tall marble palace had stood, there was nothing save a few stones with the moss growing over them; Philemon and Baucis were gone; but there, on the hilltop, stood two beautiful trees—an oak tree and a linden—with their branches all twined and twisted together.

                                                    "I am old Baucis!" whispered the oak.

                                                    "I am Philemon!" sighed the linden—and there they stand to-day, quite close to each other, and always ready to spread their leafy shade over every tired stranger who chances to climb the hill.
    • pan.scan Do góry n/t 26.11.04, 20:05
      • Gość: patience Re: Dziękuję n/t IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 26.11.04, 20:10
      • beemelka Ooo! 01.12.04, 14:16
        Skoro widze Ciebie tutaj, nie moge nie skorzystac z okazji i nie napisac, ze
        dowiedzialam sie, ze masz czelnosc wypowiadac sie na moj temat. Slyszalam, ze
        stwierdziles, ze "ona ma odbicia".
        Od powiadam:
        Od bicia to jestes ty, o ile wiem.

        Napisalam w Watrze, ze nie zycze sobie, zebys mnie ocenial. Wtedy bylam
        oburzona tym, co pisales o Ceesie.

        Bardzo prosze zatem, zamilknac na moj temat.
        • vacek.dyrektor.zoo 1oo! / no txt 04.12.04, 02:02
    • ada08 Re: Dab Bartek. Prosze nie mordowac Aquanetu... 26.11.04, 22:18
      Uważam tak: albo Administracja zrezygnuje z zasady blokowania długich wątków
      (na wszystkich forach) , albo będzie blokowała wszystkie długie wątki ( na
      wszystkich forach).

      Nie widzę powodu, żeby wątek Aquanet miał mieć jakieś szczególne względy.
      Co z tego, że jest stary ? Jak stary to mądry, a jak młody to głupi ?

      Nie mam nic przeciwko Aquanet, tym bardziej, że tam nie wchodzę smile

      Jednak zasada jest zasadą i powinna dotyczyć w jednakowym stopniu wszystkich.
      Bo co: znowu mają być równi i równiejsi ?

      Moja propozycja jest zatem: zrezygnować z blokowania długich wątków (na
      wszystkich forach). Nie wiem czy to jest możliwe, ale gdyby tylko Aquanet
      miał zyskać specjalne względy, to byłoby to świństwo wobec innych, uważam.
      a.



      • kingfish Re: Dab Bartek. Prosze nie mordowac Aquanetu... 26.11.04, 23:19
        ada08 napisała:

        ).
        >
        > Nie widzę powodu, żeby wątek Aquanet miał mieć jakieś szczególne względy.
        > Co z tego, że jest stary ? Jak stary to mądry, a jak młody to głupi ?
        >

        A ja widzę.
        Watek który był tu od samego początku to tak jak zabytkowa kamienica której
        ochrona jest w interesie wszystkich myślących.
        • gini Re: Dab Bartek. Prosze nie mordowac Aquanetu... 26.11.04, 23:41
          kingfish napisała:

          > ada08 napisała:
          >
          > ).
          > >
          > > Nie widzę powodu, żeby wątek Aquanet miał mieć jakieś szczególne względy.
          > > Co z tego, że jest stary ? Jak stary to mądry, a jak młody to głupi ?
          > >
          >
          > A ja widzę.
          > Watek który był tu od samego początku to tak jak zabytkowa kamienica której
          > ochrona jest w interesie wszystkich myślących.
          >
          > A co myslacy maja z tym wspolnego?Jest wiele krotszych watkow o wiele
          ciekawszych , do ktorych chcialabym cos dopisac i nie ma szans bo sa
          zarchiwizowane .
          Tym bardziej podpieranie sie aktualnosciami jest z lekka naciagniete, bo prawie
          nikt z aktualnosci tam nie pisze .
          >
          • gini Re: I jeszcze jedno 26.11.04, 23:53
            aquaneta zalozyla salcie w 6.08.2002 wiec jakie cztery lata?
            • kingfish Re: I jeszcze jedno 27.11.04, 00:22
              Ani cztery ani dwa.
              Po co zgadujesz skoro watek nadal istnieje??

              --------------------AQUANET---------------------
              • gini Re: I jeszcze jedno 27.11.04, 00:29
                kingfish napisała:

                > Ani cztery ani dwa.
                > Po co zgadujesz skoro watek nadal istnieje??
                >
                > --------------------AQUANET---------------------
          • kingfish Droga Gini 27.11.04, 00:17
            Napisalas:
            >>A co myslacy maja z tym wspolnego?Jest wiele krotszych watkow o wiele
            >>ciekawszych , do ktorych chcialabym cos dopisac i nie ma szans bo sa
            >> .

            Gdyby były takie ciekawe to by nie były "zarchiwizowane". (dla myslacychsmile))
            • gini Re: Droga krolu 27.11.04, 00:24
              kingfish napisała:

              > Napisalas:
              > >>A co myslacy maja z tym wspolnego?Jest wiele krotszych watkow o wiele
              >
              > >>ciekawszych , do ktorych chcialabym cos dopisac i nie ma szans bo sa
              > >> .
              >
              > Gdyby były takie ciekawe to by nie były "zarchiwizowane". (dla myslacychsmile))
              >
              > To, ze w watku pisza dwie osoby, wcale nieznaczy, ze jest on ciekawy. Jest
              ciekawy dla konkretnych dwoch osob . Watki sa archiwizowane, bo tu jest forum
              aktualnosci i jednego tematu w kolko walkowac sie nie da.Choc czasem mozna by
              cos do ktoregos z watkow dopisac ale nie ma mocnych.

              >
              >
              • kingfish Re: Droga krolu 27.11.04, 00:41
                Rozumie nie wpisywać się tutaj bo los tego wątku jest ci obojętny. Co innego
                jednak jest wpisywanie się w celu zniszczenia tego wątku. Jeśli ci jest tak
                obojętny i nie interesujący to po co marnować czas i wpisywać post
                sprzeciwiający się jego powrotu? Czy nie łatwiej po prostu nie klykac i nie
                czytać. (dla myślących Gini, tylko dla myślących)
                • gini Re: Drogi krolu 27.11.04, 00:48
                  kingfish napisała:

                  > Rozumie nie wpisywać się tutaj bo los tego wątku jest ci obojętny. Co innego
                  > jednak jest wpisywanie się w celu zniszczenia tego wątku. Jeśli ci jest tak
                  > obojętny i nie interesujący to po co marnować czas i wpisywać post
                  > sprzeciwiający się jego powrotu? Czy nie łatwiej po prostu nie klykac i nie
                  > czytać. (dla myślących Gini, tylko dla myślących)



                  Wpisalam sie bo uwazam, ze glupio argumentujesz, wiec za nim cos napiszesz to
                  pomysl .
                  A tak w ogole to weszlam z Toba pogadac, ale juz ide spac.
                  Dobranoc.
                  • kingfish Re: Drogi krolu 28.11.04, 00:22
                    gini napisała:

                    > kingfish napisała:
                    >
                    > > Rozumie nie wpisywać się tutaj bo los tego wątku jest ci obojętny. Co in
                    > nego
                    > > jednak jest wpisywanie się w celu zniszczenia tego wątku. Jeśli ci jest t
                    > ak
                    > > obojętny i nie interesujący to po co marnować czas i wpisywać post
                    > > sprzeciwiający się jego powrotu? Czy nie łatwiej po prostu nie klykac i n
                    > ie
                    > > czytać. (dla myślących Gini, tylko dla myślących)
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Wpisalam sie bo uwazam, ze glupio argumentujesz, wiec za nim cos napiszesz to
                    > pomysl .
                    > A tak w ogole to weszlam z Toba pogadac, ale juz ide spac.
                    > Dobranoc.
                    >

                    Rozumie nie wpisywać się tutaj bo los tego wątku jest ci obojętny. Co innego
                    jednak jest wpisywanie się w celu zniszczenia tego wątku. Jeśli ci jest tak
                    obojętny i nie interesujący to po co marnować czas i wpisywać post
                    sprzeciwiający się jego powrotu? Czy nie łatwiej po prostu nie klykac i nie
                    czytać. (dla myślących Gini, tylko dla myślących)
                • Gość: patience czesc Rybny Monarcho:) IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 27.11.04, 22:41
                  Dzieki serdeczne za wizyte i wsparcie. Tylko nie rozumiem skad sie wziela ta
                  obdrapana rura przy motocyklu?
                  • kingfish Re: czesc Rybny Monarcho:) 27.11.04, 23:45
                    eeeeeee tam Gini to nie zadna rura.

                    A rury wydechowe wlasnie zmienilemsmile Skad wiedzialas?
                    • Gość: patience Re: czesc Rybny Monarcho:) IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 28.11.04, 00:10
                      > A rury wydechowe wlasnie zmienilemsmile Skad wiedzialas?


                      jedna z nich widzialam. Rzeczywiscie, mozna powiedziec, ze rura nie tylko
                      wydechowa, ale wdechowa rowniez. BESZCZELNY.
                      • kingfish Re: czesc Rybny Monarcho:) 28.11.04, 00:13
                        No to siedze sobie i sie po glowie drapie bo ostatnio zadnych rur nie
                        drapalem???

                        Ile piwek dzisiaj wypilas?
                        • Gość: patience Re: czesc Rybny Monarcho:) IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 28.11.04, 00:19
                          Moze i dzisiaj nie drapales, ale ja mam dowody ze drapales. Motocykl piekny ale
                          ona obrzydliwa. Piwa nie pije bo mam stresa. Grzebalam w systemie i teraz
                          odzyskuje. Jak sie z tym uporam to ci moze dam narzedzie do zmieniania key w
                          Windows XP? na twoja odpowiedzialnosc rzecz jasna...wink Zeby sobie nikt nie
                          myslal, to chodzi o to, ze jak sie zamontuje service packs to ten bydlak blokuje
                          niektore funkcje. i trzeba mieszac. To ich wina, no nie? Podla swinia Gates.
                          • Gość: patience Re: czesc Rybny Monarcho:) IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 28.11.04, 00:22
                            A zapomnialam dodac, ze teraz mam na ciebie haka. Jak mnie zdenerwujesz, to
                            puszcze na forum fotke motocykla ze szczegolnym uwzglednieniem tej rury wdechowo
                            wydechowej. Szczegolnie sie wnerwilam, bo ja siedze przy kompie w dresach i
                            rozczochrana.
                            • kingfish Re: czesc Rybny Monarcho:) 28.11.04, 00:36
                              Znalazłem jeszcze jedną rurkę tylko mi się szybko postarzał - siedemnaście
                              latsmile


                              miko.idy.pl/face.swf
                          • kingfish Re: czesc Rybny Monarcho:) 28.11.04, 00:30
                            Acha, zrozumialem. Ona nawet nie byla w moim guscie.

                            And as to the service packs I took care of it by restoring my previous date
                            registry which effectively removed it. I DON’T WANT IT!
                            • Gość: patience Re: czesc Rybny Monarcho:) IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 28.11.04, 00:47
                              TERAS TO SIEM TLUMACZY... A WCZESNIEJ DRAPAL, SAM MOWI.

                              A z tymi SP to masz swieta racje. Nie przygladalam im sie za dokladnie, ale mam
                              niecne podejrzenia. Oni je reklamuja ze to jest preventice action przeciwko
                              jakims robalom, ale na robale jest lepszy sposob:

                              SpywareBlaster
                              www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html
                              Prevent spyware from installing in the first place!
                              Spyware, adware, browser hijackers, and dialers are some of the fastest-growing
                              threats on the Internet today.
                              By simply browsing to a web page, you could find your computer to be the brand-
                              new host of one of these unwanted fiends!

                              The most important step you can take is to secure your system. And
                              SpywareBlaster is the most powerful protection program available.

                              # Prevent the installation of ActiveX-based spyware, adware, browser hijackers,
                              dialers, and other potentially unwanted pests.
                              # Block spyware/tracking cookies in Internet Explorer and Mozilla/Firefox.
                              # Restrict the actions of potentially dangerous sites in Internet Explorer.


                              SpywareBlaster can help keep your system spyware-free and secure, without
                              interfering with the "good side" of the web.

                              And unlike other programs, SpywareBlaster does not have to remain running in
                              the background. (czyli nie zabiera ci cennego RAMu w trakcie pracy komputera)

                              SpywareBlaster is freeware for personal and educational use.

                              A tu masz jeszcze jedno usprawnienie ktore ci sie spodoba, bo pewnie uzywasz
                              IE. Zaladuj sobie Avant Browser. To jest nakladka na IE ktora miedzy innymi
                              umozliwie multitab browsing. Ma tez z boku takie okienko jak w Operze, blokuje
                              popups oraz niezwykle ulatwia korzystanie z anonymous proxy. Najpierw w
                              ustawieniach wpisujesz sobie pare proxy z listy stealh anonimusow, a potem
                              jednym klikiem przemieniasz w trakcie pracy browsera, bo ta lista jest widoczna
                              w Tools. Multilingual, aktualna wersia 10.0


                              www.avantbrowser.com/
                              • kingfish Re: czesc Rybny Monarcho:) 28.11.04, 00:50
                                Ja uzywam ad-aware.
                                • Gość: patience Re: czesc Rybny Monarcho:) IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 28.11.04, 01:11
                                  dobry program, pod warunkiem, ze sie pamieta o updates. Ale sprobuj tego Avant
                                  Browsera, wszyscy ktorym polecalam zainstalowali sobie i nie chca sie rozstac.
                                  A zreszta po instalacji tez masz wybor, klikajac na ikone IE mozesz wchodzic do
                                  internmetu bez Avanta, tylko ze raczej nie bedziesz chcial...
                                  • zupagrzybowa AtAki na WinXP ....!!!! UWAGA !!! 29.11.04, 19:54
                                    #:1 [smss.exe]

                                    Process File: smss or smss.exe
                                    Process Name: Session Manager Subsystem
                                    This is the session manager subsystem, which is responsible for starting the
                                    user session. This process is initiated by the system thread and is responsible
                                    for various activities, including launching the Winlogon and Win32 (Csrss.exe)
                                    processes and setting system variables. After it has launched these processes,
                                    it waits for either Winlogon or Csrss to end. If this happens "normally," the
                                    system shuts down; if it happens unexpectedly, Smss.exe causes the system to
                                    stop responding (hang).

                                    Note: The smss.exe file is located in the c:\windows\System32 folder. In other
                                    cases, smss.exe is a virus, spyware, trojan or worm! Check this with Security
                                    Task Manager.


                                    #:2 [winlogon.exe]

                                    The process "winlogon.exe" runs in the background. It's a part of the Windows
                                    Login subsystem. Winlogon is necessary for user authorization and checks the
                                    Windows XP activation code.

                                    Note: The winlogon.exe file is located in the c:\windows\System32 folder. In
                                    other cases, winlogon.exe is a virus, spyware, trojan or worm! Check this with
                                    Security Task Manager.

                                    Virus with same name:
                                    W32.Netsky.D -


                                    #:3 [services.exe]

                                    the system process services.exe is not dangerous but the services.exe launch
                                    with your username is dangerous. Try deleting it with Security Task Manager
                                    then delete the directory and the entries in the registry :
                                    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run &
                                    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run.

                                    #:4 [lsass.exe]


                                    "lsass.exe" is the Local Security Authentication Server. It verifies the
                                    validity of user logons to your PC/Server. It generates the process responsible
                                    for authenticating users for the Winlogon service. This process is performed by
                                    using authentication packages such as the default Msgina.dll. If authentication
                                    is successful, Lsass generates the user's access token, which is used to launch
                                    the initial shell.
                                    The lsass.exe file is located in the c:\windows\System32 folder. In other
                                    cases, lsass.exe is a virus, spyware, trojan or worm! Check this with Security
                                    Task Manager.

                                    Virus with same name:
                                    W32.Nimos.Worm - Symantec Corporation
                                    W32.Sasser.E.Worm (Lsasss.exe) - McAfee
                                    W32.HLLW.Lovgate.C@mm - Symantec Corporation

                                    harmless security file that can crash and cause shutdown, if this happens go
                                    into c:\windows\System32 and run lsass.exe to bring it back to life smile

                                    #:5 [svchost.exe]

                                    Worms like MS-Blaster target a bug in svhost.exe. It sends a special packet.
                                    The packet has to be formed specially for 2K or XP and, if it sends the wrong
                                    one to your system, causes svhost to crash, which can force a reboot or make
                                    you lose copy/paste functionality. Svhost itself, though, is NOT a virus. A
                                    virus wouldn't announce itself with a nice error message stating its name.

                                    .......................

                                    There are copycat virus' that have the same file name,even worms.I'm staring at
                                    one now that housecall found thats in the common files folder.So be carefull
                                    people.
                                    ....................
                                    MS says this is a generic server that handles interprocess communications. It
                                    can load multiple instances of itself to hand bundles of related processes. It
                                    is an ideal alias for trojans, worms, and viruses. To see what processes use
                                    it, use the "Run" button and bring up a DOS terminal and enter "tasklist /SVC."

                                    ..............

                                    crying((
                                    • Gość: patience AtAki na WinXP ....!!!! Warning! Aggresive sale!!! IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 30.11.04, 00:54
                                      Jesli robal np zastapil svchost.exe (lub jakis inny) swoim plikiem, to nie
                                      pomoze zaden system recovery, trzeba robic reinstall. Chyba ze lubisz bawic sie
                                      w konsole odzyskiwania, ale szybciej ci pojdzie reinstall. Ma to swoja dobra
                                      stone, gdyz reinstall usuwa Service Packs. Reinstal nie powoduje skasowania
                                      wszystkiego na komputerze, tylko naprawia to co zepsute. Ale!

                                      Przed reinstalka warto sie pozbyc wszystkiego swinstwa z komputera, gduz robaki
                                      lub spyware NIE ZOSTANA USUNIETE. Przede wszystkim usun wszystkie ciasteczka i
                                      plikiu tymczasowe z twojej przegladarki, smieci z kosza itp. Trzeba tez
                                      koniecznie przed reinstalem sprawdzic rejestr, gdyz robale i spyware wpisuja
                                      sie do rejestru. Usuniesz z pliku systemowego, a on ma swoja wlasna kopie
                                      bezpieczenstwa zapisana gdzies na twoim twardzielu, ktora sie uruchomi, jak
                                      podstawowego pliku zabraknie... Teraz te paskudztwa sa takie sprytne, ze ich
                                      kopia bezpieczenstwa sie zapisuje np. jako pliki zip. Kroki:

                                      1. Jesli masz Pande Antyvirus a na komputerze wirusa, to niestety ten program
                                      sam stal sie celem atakow i moze miec podmienione pliki, ktore udaja Pande.
                                      Odinstaluj go, a potem mysisz recznie wyciac do konca katalogi
                                      Windows/system32/activescan oraz Programy/Panda, czyli nazwa, pod jaka
                                      instalowales.

                                      2. Uruchom jakiegos dobrego czysciciela rejestru, np. Registry Medic. To nie
                                      jest freeware, ale masz okres trial do zalatwienia sie z problemem. W rejestrze
                                      poszukaj wszystkich odnosnikow do Pandy i je wytnij, a przy okazji wytniesz na
                                      pewno mnostwo smieci. Dzieki czemu komputer bedzie pracowal szybciej (nawiasem
                                      mowiac, dysponuje kluczykiem do RM wink.

                                      Edytory rejestru:
                                      Registry Medic:
                                      www.iomatic.com/
                                      Winuscon:
                                      Ten jest darmowy. Przydaje sie do zmieniania ustawien systemowych i ma w
                                      Accessories bardzo przyjemne konsole, m.in. do rejestru. Pelno rozmaitych
                                      goodies. W zakladce Accessories masz edytor rejestru. Poklikaj na Hot_Keys_ az
                                      znajdziesz SOFTWARE i zobacz co tam jest. Wytnij niepotrzebne, typu resztki po
                                      odinstalowanych programach.
                                      www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_description/0,fid,23092,00.asp
                                      Win Patrol:
                                      Wersja darmowa z zupelnosci wystarcza zeby sie pozbyc niepotrzebnych rzeczy z
                                      funkcji autostart. Nie tylko robali czy spyware, ale tez programow
                                      uruchamianych w tle i spowalniajacych komputer. Bardzo dobry. Warto zachowac na
                                      stale.
                                      www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_description/0,fid,22728,00.asp

                                      3. Lub zrob online scan przeciwko spyware. Free online scan:
                                      www.stop-sign.com/se/se046b.php?
                                      n=s_gw_pl_anti_attack&kw=gw_pl_trojan&pg=%26se_spin&ver=online


                                      4. Zainstaluj dowolny inny program antywirusowy inny niz Panda, gdyz jesli
                                      posiadasz Pande ORAZ jakies robale na komputerze, to znaczy, ze sama Panda
                                      mogla zostac zarazona. Dowolny antyvir, dobry jest np. darmowy Avast! Antyvir,
                                      ktory mozna sciagnac z sieci. Po zainstalowaniu zrób update bazy wirusow a
                                      nastepnie gruntowny skan. (trzeba zmienic opcje na skanowanie absolutnie
                                      wszystkich plikow, nie tylko systemowych). UWAGA: To trwa bardzo dlugo.
                                      Nalepiej w tym czasie nie otwierac zadnych okienek bo uzywanie pliku zapobiega
                                      przed dostepem do niego przez program antywirusowy. Zaopatrz sie w ksiazke...
                                      Obawiam sie, ze zdazysz ja cala przeczytac, ale jesli zachowasz cierpliwosc, to
                                      swinstwa zostana wyciete. Niestety, zepsute fiszki nie zostana zreperowane,
                                      dlatego zrob sobie na koniec dla pewnosci reinstall Windows. Jesli zdecydujesz
                                      sie na Avast na stale, to ten program ma wbudowana funkcie robienia snapshots
                                      plikow systemowych. W przyszlosci jesli sie zdarzy problem, to reinstall nie
                                      bedzie potrzebny. Taka sama funkcje ma systemowy Windows Recovery. Po
                                      reinstalacji Windosow oraz ponownym obejrzeniu rejestru i autostartu, usunieciu
                                      wszystkich plikow tymczasowych (temporaries) i ciasteczek (cookies) - zrob
                                      sobie ladna i czysta kopie bezpieczenstwa systemu.
                                      www.avast.com/
                                      ... i boj sie, potencjalny kliencie....


                                      3/4 swinstw spowalniajacych komputer i polaczenie z internetem to obecnie
                                      produkty nie hakerow, a rozmaitych Dzialow Marketingu. Chodzi o to, zebys cos
                                      kupil. Cokolwiek. Jak sie zarazi pare milionow uzytkownikow, to sposrod nich
                                      znajdzie sie pare tysiecy klientow...sad

                                      A potem pluja na hakerow ze to ich wina....


                                      • Gość: drf next front line................................. IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 01.12.04, 02:49

                                        masz racje ...The attackers targeted a yet-to-be patched flaw in Microsoft
                                        Internet Explorer.

                                        ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
                                        The Threats To Come Nov. 30, 2004



                                        More Stories on:
                                        Security
                                        Viruses and Patches

                                        informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=54201336

                                        You're busy protecting your applications and systems against today's attacks,
                                        but you need to think about how you'll protect them against tomorrow's threats
                                        as well.
                                        By George V. Hulme



                                        As security pros protect their applications and networks from today's most
                                        common attacks, hackers are preparing to wage new wars. As new technologies
                                        such as Web services, radio-frequency identification, and smart phones loaded
                                        with complex operating systems become prevalent, new attack techniques against
                                        business-technology systems will follow.
                                        Hey, it's nothing personal--it's just business. The days of the hacker
                                        interested in intruding upon networks, cracking systems, and writing viruses
                                        and worms for the joy of the challenge or the mischievous thrill are turning
                                        into the days of the hacker as profit-motivated mercenary. The profit to be
                                        made through identity theft, corporate espionage, or using hacker skills to
                                        attack business competitors will continue to rise (see Extortion Online).

                                        And so must your vigilance. "It's common for security professionals to continue
                                        to focus on fighting their most previous battles," says Pete Lindstrom,
                                        research director with Spire Security. "But it's important to prepare for the
                                        next front line."

                                        Here's a look at some of the new front lines you'll be defending:

                                        Complex Web Attacks

                                        Last month one of the most complex attacks to strike the Internet targeted
                                        unsuspecting Web surfers who visited certain Web pages. Attackers infiltrated
                                        an Internet marketing company's server and redirected Web surfers who visited
                                        sites displaying banner ads transmitted via the infected ad network to sites
                                        containing malicious code. The attackers targeted a yet-to-be patched flaw in
                                        Microsoft Internet Explorer. The attackers also used an OpenSSL flaw in open-
                                        source Apache Web servers as part of the attack. Earlier this year, hackers
                                        attacked Web surfers via another Internet Explorer flaw by infecting Web sites
                                        and attaching malicious code to JPG image files.

                                        Security experts predict attackers will continue to devise multipronged attacks
                                        like this, which exploit several security weaknesses in software as well as
                                        weaknesses brought by Internet companies, to spread their malicious code as
                                        quickly and to as many people as possible (see Hackers Take Aim At Ad-Server
                                        Networks.

                                        Web-Service Attacks

                                        As more companies deploy Web services, security experts predict hackers will
                                        find weaknesses in both Web-services security standards and companies'
                                        implementation of these relatively new standards. Expect attackers to attempt
                                        to tamper with Web-services transaction data, deploy transactions that could
                                        contain potentially malicious payloads, and launch denial-of-service attacks
                                        (see Motorola Secures Web Services).

                                        Spyware Threats

                                        Spyware is one of the fastest-growing Internet threats (see Tiny, Evil Things).
                                        Unlike worms, viruses, and denial-of-service attacks, which are obvious when
                                        they strike, the crafters of spyware don't want their work to be discovered.
                                        They'll create more clandestine versions of spyware apps, such as adware,
                                        Trojan horses, and keystroke loggers that could take weeks or longer for
                                        antivirus companies to discover.

                                        Cell-Phone/Mobile-Device Attacks

                                        So far, attacks against cell phones have been what's called "proof-of-concept"
                                        attacks. Virus authors have written applications such as the Cabir virus, which
                                        spread via Bluetooth, and the Skulls Trojan, which disguised itself as a cell-
                                        phone wallpaper or ring tone but actually disabled some cell-phone
                                        functionality and turned icons on the screen into images of skulls (see Worm Is
                                        First To Target Mobile Phones).

                                        RFID Vulnerabilities

                                        Expect hackers to exploit weaknesses in RFID tags to attempt to wreck havoc on
                                        supply-chain systems by changing details stored on the tags, including pricing
                                        and the actual product. Hackers are also likely to attempt to attack the back-
                                        end systems that store and share RFID inventory information (see RFID's
                                        Security Challenge).

                                        .................................

                                        8U2!

                                        dzieki za dobre linki...smile))
                                        • Gość: patience Jeden z nich bym zmienila na House call IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 01.12.04, 03:00
                                          Tymczasem sprawdzalam obna skanery online i ten mi sie wydaje duzo lepszy.
                                          Mniej instalowania przede wszystkim, tylko malutki silniczek i dalej update
                                          robali:

                                          housecall.trendmicro.com/

                                          8uzIsmile

                                          • drf virtualne bakterie? 02.12.04, 02:25

                                            "If airport security worked like antivirus security ... terrorists would rule
                                            the skies." You can't say it any more clearly, folks...wink))

                                            .............................................................

                                            Airport security experts would blame terrorist acts on everything except
                                            security guards. They'd blame pilots for letting a terrorist board an aircraft
                                            under their control... And they'd blame passengers for not watching out for
                                            their own safety...

                                            vmyths.com/rant.cfm?id=247&page=4
                                            Viruses - A virus is a small piece of software that piggybacks on real
                                            programs. For example, a virus might attach itself to a program such as a
                                            spreadsheet program. Each time the spreadsheet program runs, the virus runs,
                                            too, and it has the chance to reproduce (by attaching to other programs) or
                                            wreak havoc.

                                            E-mail viruses - An e-mail virus moves around in e-mail messages, and usually
                                            replicates itself by automatically mailing itself to dozens of people in the
                                            victim's e-mail address book.

                                            Worms - A worm is a small piece of software that uses computer networks and
                                            security holes to replicate itself. A copy of the worm scans the network for
                                            another machine that has a specific security hole. It copies itself to the new
                                            machine using the security hole, and then starts replicating from there, as
                                            well.

                                            Trojan horses - A Trojan horse is simply a computer program. The program claims
                                            to do one thing (it may claim to be a game) but instead does damage when you
                                            run it (it may erase your hard disk). Trojan horses have no way to replicate
                                            automatically. ....

                                            ................

                                            Code Red
                                            Worms use up computer time and network bandwidth when they are replicating, and
                                            they often have some sort of evil intent. A worm called Code Red made huge
                                            headlines in 2001. Experts predicted that this worm could clog the Internet so
                                            effectively that things would completely grind to a halt.
                                            The Code Red worm slowed down Internet traffic when it began to replicate
                                            itself, but not nearly as badly as predicted. Each copy of the worm scanned the
                                            Internet for Windows NT or Windows 2000 servers that do not have the Microsoft
                                            security patch installed. Each time it found an unsecured server, the worm
                                            copied itself to that server. The new copy then scanned for other servers to
                                            infect. Depending on the number of unsecured servers, a worm could conceivably
                                            create hundreds of thousands of copies.

                                            The Code Red worm was designed to do three things:

                                            Replicate itself for the first 20 days of each month
                                            Replace Web pages on infected servers with a page that declares "Hacked by
                                            Chinese"
                                            Launch a concerted attack on the White House Web server in an attempt to
                                            overwhelm it
                                            The most common version of Code Red is a variation, typically referred to as a
                                            mutated strain, of the original Ida Code Red that replicated itself on July 19,
                                            2001. According to the National Infrastructure Protection Center:


                                            The Ida Code Red Worm, which was first reported by eEye Digital Security, is
                                            taking advantage of known vulnerabilities in the Microsoft IIS Internet Server
                                            Application Program Interface (ISAPI) service. Un-patched systems are
                                            susceptible to a "buffer overflow" in the Idq.dll, which permits the attacker
                                            to run embedded code on the affected system. This memory resident worm, once
                                            active on a system, first attempts to spread itself by creating a sequence of
                                            random IP addresses to infect unprotected web servers. Each worm thread will
                                            then inspect the infected computer's time clock. The NIPC has determined that
                                            the trigger time for the DOS execution of the Ida Code Red Worm is at 0:00
                                            hours, GMT on July 20, 2001. This is 8:00 PM, EST.
                                            Upon successful infection, the worm would wait for the appointed hour and
                                            connect to the www.whitehouse.gov domain. This attack would consist of the
                                            infected systems simultaneously sending 100 connections to port 80 of
                                            www.whitehouse.gov (198.137.240.91).

                                            The U.S. government changed the IP address of www.whitehouse.gov to circumvent
                                            that particular threat from the worm and issued a general warning about the
                                            worm, advising users of Windows NT or Windows 2000 Web servers to make sure
                                            they have installed the security patch.

                                            computer.howstuffworks.com/virus4.htm
                                            www.spywarezapper.com/
                                            www.cert.org/other_sources/viruses.html
                                            ............................................

                                            www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/Browse.aspx?MODE=T<R=&TYPE=6&DATE=

                                            ..................................................

                                            BAT.Batalia3 01 Dec 2004 Bat/flm (McAfee), BAT/SMF.266 (NOD), BAT/SBVM.268
                                            (Norman), BAT.Silly.B.gen (Symantec), BAT.SMF.a (Kaspersky), Bat/SMF


                                            www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/Browse.aspx?MODE=D<R=&TYPE=&DATE=15

                                            ...........................

                                            crying((
                                            • Gość: bakterie? dobre! virtualny katar kapitalizmu IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 02.12.04, 07:55
                                              "One of the most common programming techniques is the 'Trojan Horse' meme,
                                              which bundles less attractive memes with more attractive ones. Using repetition
                                              to implant memes into your mind until they become familiar and part of your
                                              programming, and cognitive dissonance (creating paradoxical/mentally
                                              uncomfortable situations that lead to reprogramming that relieves stress) are
                                              two other widely used techniques."

                                              "Successfully programming your mind to believe that you prefer certain brands,
                                              advertising agencies are among the most brazen and calculating of the mind
                                              virus instigators," believes Brodie. "What kind of soft drink do you buy? The
                                              ones that sell the most cost twice as much as the unadvertised store brands.
                                              The extra money goes into television advertising, sending out the spores of
                                              ever more penetrating mind viruses that literally take control of your mind and
                                              make you push your shopping cart over to their shelf."
                                              ...
                                              Positioning models were some of the first to explore the linguistic foundations
                                              that create memorable buzzwords, phrases and copy-writing. They were also
                                              influenced by military models: Trout and Ries' book Marketing Warfare (1986) is
                                              based approvingly on Karl von Clausewitz' treatise On War. Positioning shifted
                                              marketing strategies from superlatives to comparatives, and is part of the
                                              wider communications sciences perspectives that memetics is intrinsically a
                                              part of.

                                              However in an environment of line extension failures and increasing market
                                              segmentation, cutting edge marketers are realizing that current marketing
                                              techniques and conceptual models are inadequate. Don Beck's colleague
                                              Christopher Cowan explains: "Marketers are now recognizing that there are
                                              deeper forces at work: that people exist in cognitive 'spiral spaces' rather
                                              than the flat-land of traditional demographic and psychographic indicators.
                                              We're going to see the rise of memetic and other profiling techniques to cope
                                              with fragmented markets and new media-distribution technologies."
                                              www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id641/pg1/

                                              www.google.pl/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=fractals+viruses+marketing

                                              Simple Recursive-Meme Spread Model
                                              Description: This is an extremely simple Python script (www.python.org) that
                                              models the spread of a recursive meme. It answers: “How long does it take to
                                              reach 1000 people?” You can set the contact and “conversion” rates. At 2/day +
                                              1/20 chance, 3-4 mo.’s
                                              Version: 0.0 | Filesize: 24.15 Kb
                                              Added on: 14-Aug-2002 | Downloads: 161
                                              Homepage | Rate resource | Details
                                              www.memes.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=MostPopular



                                              Szalenstwo Gatesa...wink



                                              • drf KORPORACJE TOTALNE 04.12.04, 00:04
                                                wielkie korporacje kieruja sie dzisiaj zasada : cel uswieca srodki
                                                modele idealne korporacji to 3cia Rzesza , ZSSR ...
                                                program partii/korporacji to software programujacy dzialania ludzkie w celu
                                                zniszczenia przeciwnikow korporacji/programow konkurencyjnych przy pomocy
                                                reedukacji, cenzury,czy likwidacji...egzekutywa?

                                                partia ma zawsze racje bo zmienia program jak Dos3.1 na Dos3.2
                                                system operacyjny MLS/marxizmLeninizmStalinizm na
                                                MLC/marxizmLeninizmChruszczowizm etc...

                                                analogie mozna mnozyc i dzielic wink))
      • Gość: Go0d AdVice Re: Dab Bartek. Prosze nie mordowac Aquanetu... IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 30.11.04, 03:14
        ada08 napisała:

        > Uważam tak: albo Administracja zrezygnuje z zasady blokowania długich wątków
        > (na wszystkich forach) , albo będzie blokowała wszystkie długie wątki ( na
        > wszystkich forach).


        forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=299&w=17971895&a=18138286
        Re: w trosce o serwery i rozwoj intelektualny...
        forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=299&w=17971895&a=18138286
    • xtrmntr precz z aquanetem! to matnia syjonistow, masonow 26.11.04, 23:23
      cyklistow i innych watpliwych indywiduum!
      • zupagrzybowa BEZ WODNEJ SIECI NIE MA ZYCIA !!! 27.11.04, 00:48
        h2o.law.harvard.edu/index.jsp
        • gini Re:Byl Aquanet teraz bedzie Bartek . 27.11.04, 00:52
          Podlejcie go linkiem z aquaneta i po zawodach.
          • zupagrzybowa Re:Byl Aquanet teraz bedzie Bartek . 27.11.04, 01:10
            W miejscowości Kotwasice znajduje się legendarny dąb "Bartek". Wiek jego
            szacowany jest na 600 do 1200 lat. Wysokość drzewa 30 m, obwód pnia 985cm,
            rozpiętość korony 20 na 40 m (800 m2), pierśnica (średnica drzewa) 314 cm.
            Legendy podają, że odpoczywał pod nim Jan III Sobieski wracając spod Wiednia.
            Obok "Bartka" znajduje się aleja złożona z 55 wiekowych drzew

            onephoto.net/info.php3?id=25559
            forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=299&w=18004362
            • Gość: . :::::::::::::::::AQUANETS::::::::::::::::::::::: IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 27.11.04, 19:03
              www.google.se/search?q=AQUANET+gazeta&num=100&hl=en&lr=&start=0&sa=N
              1 - 100 of about 369 for AQUANET gazeta.
              forum.gazeta.pl/forum/ 72,2.html?f=13&w=741459&s=5

              Gazeta Osiedla Warszawskiego w Poznaniu, ... Na przyszły rok poznańskie
              wodociągi,
              które teraz nazywają się Aquanet, zapowiadają wymianę instalacji ...
              www.republika.pl/poznan_osiedle_ warszawskie/owaradaosiedla.htm

              Aquanet informuje o przebarwieniach wody
              ... Aquanet informuje o ... Agora SA - wydawca portalu Gazeta.pl nie ponosi
              odpowiedzialności
              za treść wypowiedzi zamieszczanych przez użytkowników Forum. ...
              miasta.gazeta.pl/poznan/1,36001,2389183.html

              ... Czyja to woda? Prawdopodobnie PKP, ale po naszej interwencji wypompował ją
              Aquanet
              Ten tekst nie jest już publikowany w portalu Gazeta.pl. ...
              miasta.gazeta.pl/poznan/1,35999,1889264.html
              www.google.se/search?num=100&hl=en&q=AQUANET+&btnG=Search
              Results 1 - 100 of about 118,000 for AQUANET
              LIMASSOL, Cyprus (AP)
              • Gość: patience Re aquanetart IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 27.11.04, 22:35
                Aquanet
                Beginner's FAQ

                This FAQ has been compiled for the benefit of watercolour students who are at
                the beginning or in the early stages of their adventure into the wonderful world
                of watercolour. It has its roots in the accumulated wisdom of numerous Aquanet
                list members who have freely and generously shared their experiences with the
                rest of us. We hope that it will be of real benefit to those starting out on
                this challenging and exhilarating journey to master the art of painting in
                watercolours.

                Throughout the FAQ you will see references to various books, brands, sites, and
                suppliers. These are not intended to be the best or only source of information
                or equipment. There are many other sources that could have been included had
                time and space permitted. The demonstration links sprinkled throughout the FAQ
                are thanks to the watercolour course at the Steve Elliot site. If you wish to
                view work by members of the Aquanet list visit our Aquanet Members Web Site and
                Gallery. As well as members' paintings and links to their own websites you'll
                find various other goodies there.

                watercolor.net/Aquanet/aquanet.htm
                www.aquanetart.com/

              • zupagrzybowa Dive Into......AQUAnETS ! 29.11.04, 22:37
                www.spasticink.com/aquanet.jpg
                www.consultimex.com/nl/auquanet_info.html
                www.seaworld.co.jp/~aquanet/
                www.aquanet.com/comm/et: a hypertext tool to hold your knofolks.htm


                Draft of: August 28, 1991 10:21 am 6Aquanet: a hypertext tool to hold your
                knowledge in place6graphic elements are items such as lines, circles, squares,
                text labels, background colors, etc. that are drawn onto the display (scaled to
                fit into the allotted region). In Figure 2B, the vertical and horizontal black
                lines and the characters “R:” are examples of graphic elements.Slot value items
                reserve an area into which the value of a named slot will be rendered. For
                primi-tive valued slots, the value of the named slot is printed in this area
                (see the bottom illustration in Figure 2A). For entity-valued slots, the
                graphic appearance of the slot’s value is recursively ren-dered (after the
                necessary scaling) into the reserved area. In Figure 2B, the three dashed boxes
                containing the bracketed slot names are slot value items. Figure 2C shows the
                rendering of an instantiated Argument relation. In this instantiation, two of
                the Argument’s slots are filled with Statement basic objects and one is filled
                with another Argument relation.The graphical appearance mechanism just
                described is most appropriate for relations in which the layout of the relation
                follows a specifiable convention. Many relations have no such convention. For
                these cases, Aquanet allows the user to arbitrarily position objects on the
                display. The region occupied by the relation that contains these objects is
                then adjusted to be the bounding box just big enough to hold all of the
                contained objects. Figure 3 illustrates the operation of these adjust-able
                relations. Such relations are used to construct standard network diagrams such
                as the brows-ers found in NoteCards and gIBIS.Composing a 2-dimensional
                graphical appearance for a complex knowledge structure out of the graphical
                appearances of its component objects raises many challenging design issues. To
                avoid some of the very difficult layout mechanisms that would be required for a
                general solution, we chose to employ two simplifying mechanisms in our first
                implementation. First, Aquanet struc-tures are arranged in a 21/2dimensional
                space which is then rendered onto the 2 dimensional space of the display
                screen. Where the graphical appearances of objects overlap, one of the objects
                is Figure 2: Knowledge structures and graphic appearancesA: The graphic
                appearance (top) and an actual rendering (bottom) of a Statement basic object.[
                Text ]R:[Conclusion][Grounds][Rationale]Aquanet isgoodR:Aquanet isflashyAquanet
                isgoodR:R:Aquanet isflashyAquanet isgoodR:Aquanetuses colorABCD B: The graphic
                appearance of an Argument relation.C: An actual rendering of an Argument
                relation where two slots are filled by State-ments and the third is filled by
                another Argument relation. This is an example of inclusion composition.D: A
                rendering of two Argument relations that share a Statement object (“Aquanet is
                flashy”wink. This is an example of chaining composition.

                forum.gazeta.pl/forum/73,46481,1540823.html?f=13&w=18004870&a=18073037&rep=1

                AquaNet
                The best tool Available for the Design, Analysis, and Management of Pressurized
                Pipe Networks

                www.blackholeinc.com/catalog/software/Software/VerticalSolutions/AquaNet.shtml

                www.aquanet.hr/
                누구나 3시간 정도면 간단히 할 수 있는 [하이드로테라리움]의 제작법과 아쿠아테라리움에 사용되는 식물이
                나 물고기들을 상세히 설명하고 있다.

                www.sharewarejunction.com/download-1368-2.htm

                www.aquantv.com/
                aquanet overdose

                www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=2624471&Mytoken=20041119204858


                www.aq-products.com/disc2_frm.htm
                "When God created world he used a sieve. Looking towards East, he used the good
                and rich sieved earth, to create KOS island. He throw to his backside, the
                rocks and the bit of earth remained in the sieve.
                This is how KALYMNOS island was created."

                www.all-about.gr/Aquanet/
                wink
        • drf Re: BEZ WODNEJ SIECI NIE MA ZYCIA !!! 02.12.04, 02:43
          MEMRI Nov. 18, 2004



          Egyptian Progressive:'Why Can't We [Arabs] See Things as the Rest of
          the World Sees Them?'

          The progressive Egyptian intellectual Dr. Amr Isma'il whose articles
          are regularly published on the secular Arab website www.rezgar.com ,
          wrote an article condemning the Arabs' lack of self-criticism and the
          Islamists' abuse of the term "democracy." The following are excerpts
          from the article, which appeared on the progressive Arabic website
          www.elaph.com sad1)


          'Why Do We Talk by Means of Bullets, and Hasten to Make Sweeping
          Accusations of Unbelief?'

          "Why can't we see things as the rest of the world sees them? Why do we
          always feel that someone is conspiring against us, and that he is the
          cause of our problems and our cultural and economic backwardness?...
          Why are we not able to criticize ourselves and [why do] we view anyone
          who tries to do so as an enemy of the nation and of its principles, and
          other things of this kind that make some people afraid to think?...

          "Why do we talk among ourselves by means of bullets, bombs, and car
          bombs, and when we disagree we hasten to accuse [our interlocutor] of
          unbelief and of being dragged after the West and the East? Why don't we
          recognize that nobody among us has the answer to all the questions and
          whoever pretends to have the absolute truth is nothing but a pretender?
          Have we heard that in any respectable country the parties and political
          streams talk by means of bullets, as sometimes happens between the
          various factions in Gaza and as is happening now in Iraq?..."


          'We Kill, Blow Up Cars, and Slit Throats in the Name of Allah, Yet
          Protest When Others Depict Muslims as Terrorists'

          "Why are we the only nations in the world that still use religion,
          Islam, and the name of Allah in everything - in politics, economics,
          science, art, and literature. We kill in the name of Allah, blow up
          cars in the name of Allah, and slit throats in the name of Allah and
          Islam, and then we protest when others depict the Muslims as
          terrorists. We indiscriminately kill doctors who went to provide
          medical care to Afghans, and then we protest when the world describes
          these acts as acts of terror. We blow up embassies and trains [and
          consequently] children, women, and citizens with no connection to our
          cause are killed, and then we protest when the world describes these
          extremists, who view themselves as Muslims, as terrorists.

          "We do not ask ourselves why no other religious group perpetrates these
          acts of atrocity, and when a terrorist country like Israel does so, it
          does not say it is killing in the name of the Lord or in the name of
          Allah, but claims it is doing so out of self-defense. Why Allah is
          [held responsible] for our bad deeds and for our desire for revenge...
          Why don't we act like [ Israel ] and say that these acts are for
          self-defense or for defense of the homeland, without bringing Allah and
          Islam into it? Why don't we ever ask ourselves what are the roots of
          extremist thinking and why don't we try to deal with it? When other
          countries demand that we deal with these roots and reconsider them, we
          scream that they are intervening in our internal affairs and that they
          are the enemies of Islam. Why don't we ask ourselves whether anyone had
          demanded that we reconsider our curricula before we blew up the [World]
          Trade towers and killed thousands, and before we blew up the trains in
          Madrid and killed hundreds, and before we kidnapped hostages and
          slaughtered them on the TV screens, so that the entire world would see
          our ugly face?"


          'Democracy is the Best Regime, and has Brought Progress and Prosperity
          to Those Countries that Have Adopted It'

          "Why can our brain not understand that democracy has proven itself to
          be the best regime and that it has brought progress and prosperity to
          those countries that have adopted it? Why can our brain not understand
          that democracy is not just the election ballots, but is an entire
          framework, the most important [aspect] of which is freedom of choice,
          in religion, in belief, in attire, and in the freedom to express
          political and cultural opinions, even if they differ from what is
          accepted, as long as they do not incite to violence. Why don't we
          understand that democracy is complete equality between people,
          regardless of sex, color, or religion...

          "We have reached a crossroads. If we want Islam as a political
          solution, not as a religion ... we must be strong and admit honestly
          that Islam - according to the belief of groups of political Islam that
          follow bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri's organization - stands in utter
          contradiction to democracy in its true meaning... Let all the political
          Islamic groups, and first and foremost the 'Muslim Brotherhood,' cease
          their policy of concealing [their real opinions] and show their true
          faces [and reveal] that they are trying [to bring] an Islamic rule that
          at best will be no different from Iran, and at worst, [no different]
          from the Taliban...

          "However, if we want a democracy, we cannot avoid agreeing that
          religion must not [be mixed up] with politics, which is the expression
          of the people. Since most of our peoples are Muslims, they will not
          legislate laws that contradict the principles and spirit of Islam, and
          they do not need parties that claim to speak in the name of religion,
          [while in actual fact] they are appropriating it in the name of their
          political and mundane interests.

          "Democracy has only one meaning: No party or political trend has [the
          right] to claim that it absolutely and everlastingly represents the
          people. Governing is a ball that we pass between ourselves...
          Citizenship, and its attendant rights and obligations, belongs to all
          those who live in the homeland, regardless of sex, color, or religion.
          The most basic civil right is the right to vote and the right to
          present candidacy to any public office, including the presidential
          office, whether man or woman, Muslim or non-Muslim, as long as they
          uphold the constitution and pledge not to change it, except through the
          means of change determined in the constitution itself, and to which the
          people have agreed.

          "This is democracy. If we want a different regime, let us call it by
          any other name except democracy. Otherwise we will be using the tools
          of democracy in order to destroy it, just as those who conceal [their
          true opinions] in our world - and these are, regretfully, many."

          Endnote:
          (1) www.elaph.com/elaphweb/AsdaElaph/2004/10/19110.htm , October
          31, 2004 .


    • Gość: . Ignorant to miłośnik śmiecianych wątków. IP: 216.127.68.* 27.11.04, 22:45
      Czy można sie dziwić?
      Ja sie już długo zastanawiałem, co ten spamujący smieciany wątek tu robi.
      • Gość: Tysprawda Re: Ignorant to miłośnik śmiecianych wątków. IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 27.11.04, 23:24
        www.rfc-ignorant.org/
        Mozna sie dziwic... ze tak dlugo sie zastanawiales...wink

        www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/
        • Gość: patience Re: Ignorant to miłośnik śmiecianych wątków. IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 28.11.04, 00:14
          rewelacyjna strona, doddalam ja do bookmarks na wypadek gdybym znowu musiala
          komus tlumaczyc co to jest islamizm. Dzieki

          PS.

          Duzo rzeczy mi nie dziala, zgubilam jedna przegladarke i nie dostalam dzisiaj
          zadnej poczty, nawet spamu. To nie mam pojecia czy wszyscy mnie maja gdzies czy
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          • Gość: drf PLANETARNA DEMOKRACJA IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 29.11.04, 02:41
            krok za krokiem padaja na swiecie dyktatury...
            "Drugą dominującą dziś tendencją jest dążenie świata do demokracji. Demokracja
            stała się hasłem dnia, ambicją, panującym wzorcem. Dzisiaj nawet partie tak
            kołtuńskie i szowinistyczne jak ta Żyrinowskiego przybierają nazwę liberalno-
            demokratycznych. Kiedy podróżowałem po świecie 20-30 lat temu, dyktatury
            panowały powszechnie. Dyktatury wojskowe, policyjne, jednopartyjne rządziły w
            Ameryce Łacińskiej, w Afryce, w Azji, w znacznej części Europy. Dzisiaj ten typ
            dyktatur jest już rzadkością, wyjątkiem, rażącym anachronizmem. Nikt już więcej
            nie dąży do ustanowienia takiej dyktatury. Ich czas minął, widzimy to i
            czujemy. Tam natomiast, gdzie demokracja stała się faktem, panującą formą
            ustrojową, tam rychło ujawniła się ważna okoliczność, a mianowicie - związek
            demokracji z kulturą. Demokracja jest tym bardziej krucha, niewydolna i
            pozorna, im społeczeństwo jest na niższym poziomie kultury. Warunkiem silnej
            demokracji jest wysoki poziom kultury społeczeństwa. Dlatego też mówić, że jest
            się orędownikiem demokracji, a jednocześnie obcinać wydatki na oświatę, naukę i
            kulturę, to ogłosić niedorzeczność określaną w logice terminem contradictio in
            adiecto - sprzecznością samą w sobie. Co więcej, rola nauki i kultury będzie
            coraz bardziej rosnąć, ponieważ - w miarę rozwoju - zwiększa się zależność
            człowieka i jakości jego cywilizacji od techniki, a tym samym od stanu nauki i
            zasobów umysłowych społeczeństwa. To jest teraz kryterium dzielące
            społeczeństwa rozwinięte od zacofanych: nie ilość wytopionej stali, ale liczba
            studentów i wyższych uczelni. "

            www.kapuscinski.hg.pl/index.php?id=nagrody_us_wyklad
            www.uazone.net/go/gallery.cgi?gallery=Crimea98&ac=list
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            of enforceable world law--a democratic federal world government--to deal with
            world problems."
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            "The time that my journey takes is long and the way of it long.
            I came out on the chariot of the first gleem of light, and
            pursued my voyage through the wilderness of worlds leaving
            my track on many a star and planet.
            It is the most distant course that comes nearest to thyself,
            and that training is the most intricate which leads to the utter
            simplicity of a tune.
            The traveller has to knock at every alien door to come to his
            own, and one has to wander through all the outer worlds to
            reach the innermost shirine at the end".

            Rabindranath Tagore, Gitanjali, No. 12

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    • sanatorium_psychiatryczne pejs.w.zupie.cebulowej ..kapitan specjalista..;) 28.11.04, 00:25
      www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/#docs...................

      www.upn.gov.sk/download/StB%20KE_KS.pdf
      wink))

      • pejs.w.zupie.cebulowej prosze pana froida, to niestety byla prawda 29.11.04, 23:11
        pani giwi tez widocznie bardzo odporna na nia.
        • zupagrzybowa Specsłużby prlu robią Polakom wodę z mózgu...! 29.11.04, 23:49
          ... Czy był pan pracownikiem specsłużb PRL? Aleksander
          Żagiel: - A czy ja na takiego wyglądam? ...
          wink

          Wiatry dmuchaja Żagle wink

          ....................................

          Komunistyczny aparat bezpieczeństwa odegrał ogromną rolę w dziejach Europy
          Środkowo-Wschodniej. Był narzędziem sprawowania kontroli nad społeczeństwem
          oraz głównym organem represji politycznych. Jego ofiarami stały się miliony
          osób, a skutki jego działań są odczuwane do dziś. Badania nad komunistycznym
          aparatem bezpieczeństwa są jednym z najistotniejszych kierunków poszukiwań w
          zakresie historii najnowszej.

          Tematyka konferencji obejmuje dzieje komunistycznego aparatu bezpieczeństwa w
          krajach okupowanych przez Związek Sowiecki (Estonia, Litwa, Łotwa) oraz w
          europejskich państwach bloku sowieckiego (Bułgaria, Czechosłowacja, NRD,
          Polska, Rumunia, Węgry).

          Konferencja służyć ma trzem głównym celom. Pierwszym jest podsumowanie stanu
          badań nad dziejami komunistycznego aparatu bezpieczeństwa i wskazanie
          zasadniczych kierunków przyszłych projektów naukowych. Drugim będzie nawiązanie
          współpracy pomiędzy instytucjami i osobami dokumentującymi dzieje
          komunistycznego aparatu bezpieczeństwa. Trzecim zaś popularyzacja wiedzy o jego
          działalności w europejskiej opinii publicznej.

          Organizatorami konferencji są: Instytut Pamięci Narodowej (Polska), Instytut
          Studiów Politycznych Polskiej Akademii Nauk, Urząd Pełnomocnika Rządu
          Federalnego ds. Dokumentów Służby Bezpieczeństwa byłej NRD (Niemcy), Fundacja
          Badań Dyktatury SED (Niemcy), Centrum Badań nad Historią Najnowszą (Niemcy),
          Instytut Historii Najnowszej Akademii Nauk Republiki Czeskiej, Urząd
          Dokumentacji i Badania Zbrodni Komunizmu (Republika Czeska) i Instytut Pamięci
          Narodu (Słowacja).

          Program konferencji obejmuje pięć sekcji tematycznych:

          „Miejsce komunistycznego aparatu bezpieczeństwa w strukturze władzy” (relacje
          aparatu bezpieczeństwa z partią komunistyczną, administracją państwową,
          wojskiem, milicją, rola służby bezpieczeństwa w państwie).

          „Portret zbiorowy komunistycznego aparatu bezpieczeństwa” (pochodzenie
          społeczne, wykształcenie, drogi kariery, przynależność do partii politycznych,
          płeć, wzory kulturowe).

          „Działalność komunistycznego aparatu bezpieczeństwa państw Europy Środkowo-
          Wschodniej poza obszarem bloku sowieckiego” (szpiegostwo wojskowe i
          gospodarcze, inwigilacja środowisk emigracyjnych, tajne operacje poza blokiem
          wschodnim – porwania, zabójstwa, rola komunistycznych służb specjalnych w
          krajach trzeciego świata).

          „Współpraca struktur komunistycznego aparatu bezpieczeństwa państw bloku
          sowieckiego” (rola ZSRR, wzajemna kontrola, współpraca dwustronna i
          wielostronna).

          „Główne kierunki działania komunistycznego aparatu bezpieczeństwa” (działania
          skierowane przeciwko podziemiu zbrojnemu, opozycji, kościołom, mniejszościom
          narodowym, ochrona przemysłu, kontrwywiad).

          Organizatorzy przewidują, że podczas konferencji zostanie wygłoszonych około 30
          referatów. Obrady będą prowadzone w języku angielskim, niemieckim i polskim z
          tłumaczeniem symultanicznym. Referaty zostaną opublikowane w 2006 r.

          Konferencji towarzyszyć będą dyskusje panelowe, spotkania ze świadkami
          historii, wystawy i przeglądy filmów fabularnych i dokumentalnych poświęconych
          dziejom komunistycznego aparatu bezpieczeństwa.

          Podczas konferencji zaprezentowana zostanie także książka „Handbook of the
          Communist Security Apparatus in East Central Europe 1944/1945–1989”. Będzie ona
          zawierać podstawowe dane o działalności komunistycznych służb bezpieczeństwa w
          jedenastu krajach regionu.

          Wszystkich zainteresowanych dziejami komunistycznego aparatu bezpieczeństwa
          zapraszamy do udziału w konferencji – zarówno w charakterze referentów, jak i
          uczestników dyskusji.
          Autorom referatów organizatorzy pokryją koszty pobytu (zakwaterowanie, posiłki)
          oraz zwrócą koszty podróży (do wysokości 400 EUR). Dla pozostałych
          zarejestrowanych uczestników konferencji organizatorzy zarezerwują miejsca
          hotelowe.

          Zgłoszenia udziału w konferencji (na załączonym formularz zgłoszeniowy w
          formacie Word) prosimy nadsyłać do końca października 2004 r. Opłata
          konferencyjna wynosi 30 EUR. Każdy zarejestrowany uczestnik konferencji otrzyma
          broszurę z abstraktami referatów, materiały konferencyjne, trzy lunche oraz
          zaproszenie na bankiet towarzyszący konferencji. W uzasadnionych przypadkach
          organizatorzy przewidują możliwość zwolnienia uczestników z opłaty
          konferencyjnej. Z opłaty konferencyjnej zwolnieni są także autorzy referatów.
          Prosimy o wpłacenie opłaty konferencyjnej do 15 marca 2005 r. Opłata
          konferencyjna nie ulega zwrotowi w przypadku rezygnacji z udziału w konferencji
          po 15 marca 2005 r. Dokładna informacja o sposobie płatności zostanie podana na
          stronie internetowej www.ipn.gov.pl/conference2005, która zostanie
          uruchomiona we wrześniu 2004 r. Będzie tam można znaleźć aktualne informacje o
          konferencji.

          Uczestnicy, którzy potrzebują polskiej wizy wjazdowej, otrzymają od Instytutu
          Pamięci Narodowej list rekomendacyjny, który będą mogli przedstawić w polskim
          konsulacie w swoim kraju.

          www.upn.gov.sk/download/StB%20KE_KS.pdf
          wink
    • cera_leppera <<--++_NIE MA INTERNETU BEZ AQUANETU_++-->> 29.11.04, 23:06
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      • drf CHINY ..................INDIE /1 30.11.04, 20:42
        New York Review of Books

        Passage to China
        By 1.
        The intellectual links between China and India, stretching over two thousand
        years, have had far-reaching effects on the history of both countries, yet they
        are hardly remembered today. What little notice they get tends to come from
        writers interested in religious history, particularly the history of Buddhism,
        which began its spread from India to China in the first century. In China
        Buddhism became a powerful force until it was largely displaced by Confucianism
        and Taoism approximately a thousand years later. But religion is only one part
        of the much bigger story of Sino-Indian connections during the first
        millennium. A broader understanding of these relations is greatly needed, not
        only for us to appreciate more fully the history of a third of the world's
        population, but also because the connections between the two countries are
        important for political and social issues today.

        Certainly religion has been a major source of contact between China and India,
        and Buddhism was central to the movement of people and ideas between the two
        countries. But the wider influence of Buddhism was not confined to religion.
        Its secular impact stretched into science, mathematics, literature,
        linguistics, architecture, medicine, and music. We know from the elaborate
        accounts left by a number of Chinese visitors to India , such as Faxian in the
        fifth century and Xuanzang and Yi Jing in the seventh, The richness and variety
        of early intellectual relations between China and India have long been
        obscured. This neglect is now reinforced by the contemporary tendency to
        classify the world's population into distinct "civilizations" defined largely
        by religion (for example Samuel Huntington's partitioning of the world into
        such categories as "Western civilization," "Islamic civilization," and "Hindu
        civilization"). There is, as a result, a widespread inclination to understand
        people mainly through their religious beliefs, even if this misses much that is
        important about them. The limitations of this perspective have already done
        significant harm to our understanding of other aspects of the global history of
        ideas. Many are now predisposed to see the history of Muslims as
        quintessentially Islamic history, ignoring the flowering of science,
        mathematics, and literature that was made possible by Muslim intellectuals,
        particularly between the eighth and the thirteenth centuries. One result of
        such a narrow emphasis on religion is that a disaffected Arab activist today is
        encouraged to take pride only in the purity of Islam, rather than in the
        diversity and richness of Arab history. In India too, there are frequent
        attempts to portray the broad civilization of India as "Hindu civilization"?to
        use the phrase favored both by theorists like Samuel Huntington and by Hindu
        political activists.

        Second, there is an odd and distracting contrast between the ways in which
        Western and non-Western ideas and scholarship are currently understood. In
        interpreting non-Western works, many commentators tend to ascribe a much
        greater importance to religion than is merited, neglecting the works' secular
        interests. Few assume that, say, Isaac Newton's scientific work must be
        understood as primarily Christian (even though he did have Christian beliefs);
        nor do most of us take it for granted that his contributions to scientific
        knowledge must somehow be interpreted in the light of his deep interest in
        mysticism (important as mystical speculations were to him, perhaps even
        motivating some of his scientific work). In contrast, when it comes to non-
        Western cultures, religious reductionism tends to be a powerful influence.
        Scholars often presume that none of the broadly conceived intellectual work of
        Buddhist scholars, or of followers of Tantric practices, could be "properly
        understood" except in the special light of their religious beliefs and customs.

        2.
        As it happens, relations between China and India almost certainly began with
        trade, not with Buddhism. Some two thousand years ago the consumption habits of
        Indians, particularly of rich Indians, were radically influenced by innovations
        from China. A treatise on economics and politics by the great Sanskrit scholar
        Kautilya, first written in the fourth century BCE, though revised a few
        centuries later, gives a special place to "silk and silk-cloth from the land of
        China" among "precious articles" and "objects of value." In the ancient epic
        Mahabharata there are references to Chinese fabric or silk ( cinamsuka ) being
        given as presents, and there are similar references in the ancient Laws of
        Manu .

        The exotic nature of Chinese products was captured in many Sanskrit literary
        works in the early part of the first millennium, as in the fifth-century play
        Sakuntala by Kalidasa (perhaps the greatest poet and dramatist in classical
        Sanskrit literature). When King Dusyanta sees, in the middle of a hunting
        expedition, the stunning hermit-girl Sakuntala and is overwhelmed by her
        beauty, he explains his passion by comparing himself to the way a banner made
        of Chinese silk flutters in the wind: "My body goes forward,/But my reluctant
        mind runs back/Like Chinese silk on a banner/Trembling against the wind." In
        the play Harsacarita by Bana, written in the seventh century, the beautiful
        Rajyasri is portrayed at her wedding as gorgeously dressed in elegant Chinese
        silk. During the same period there are also plentiful references in the
        Sanskrit literature to other Chinese products that made their way into India,
        among them camphor ( cinaka ), vermilion ( cinapista ), and high-quality
        leather ( cinasi ), as well as delicious pears ( cinarajaputra ) and peaches (
        cinani ).

        While China was enriching the material world of India two thousand years ago,
        India was exporting Buddhism to China at least since the first century AD, when
        two Indian monks, Dharmaraksa and Kasyapa Matanga, arrived in China at the
        invitation of Emperor Mingdi of the Han dynasty. From then on until the
        eleventh century, more and more Indian scholars and monks came to China .
        Hundreds of scholars and translators produced Chinese versions of thousands of
        Sanskrit documents, most of them Buddhist works. Translations were going on
        with astonishing rapidity. Although the flow of translated work came to an end
        in the eleventh century, more than two hundred further Sanskrit volumes were
        translated between 982 and 1011 AD.

        The first Chinese scholar to write an elaborate account of his visit to India
        was Faxian, a Buddhist scholar from western China who went in search of
        Sanskrit texts, intending to make them available in Chinese. After an arduous
        journey through the northern route to India via Khotan (which had a strong
        Buddhist presence), he reached India in 401 CE. Ten years later, Faxian
        returned by sea, sailing from the mouth of the Ganges (not far from present-day
        Calcutta ), and going on to visit Buddhist Sri Lanka and to see Hindu Java.
        Faxian spent his time in India traveling widely and collecting documents (which
        he would later translate into Chinese). His Record of Buddhist Kingdoms is a
        highly illuminating account of India and Sri Lanka . Faxian's years in
        Pataliputra (or Patna ) were devoted to studying Sanskrit language and
        literature in addition to religious texts, but, as will be seen, he was also
        greatly interested in contemporary Indian arrangements for health care.

        The most famous visitor to India from China was Xuanzang, who traveled there in
        the seventh century. A formidable scholar, he collected Sanskrit texts
        (translating many of them after his return to China), and traveled throughout
        India for sixteen years, including the years he spent in Nalanda, a famous
        institution of higher education not far from Patna. At Nala
        • drf Re: CHINY ..................INDIE /2 30.11.04, 20:48

          The most famous visitor to India from China was Xuanzang, who traveled there in
          the seventh century. A formidable scholar, he collected Sanskrit texts
          (translating many of them after his return to China), and traveled throughout
          India for sixteen years, including the years he spent in Nalanda, a famous
          institution of higher education not far from Patna. At Nalanda, in addition to
          Buddhism, Xuanzang studied medicine, philosophy, logic, mathematics, astronomy,
          and grammar. On his return to China he was greeted by the emperor with much
          pomp. 3.

          Yi Jing's translation of Buddhist works included texts by practitioners of
          Tantrism, whose esoteric traditions placed a strong emphasis on meditation.
          Tantrism became a major force in China in the seventh and eighth centuries, and
          since many Tantric scholars had a strong interest in mathematics (perhaps
          connected, at least initially, with the Tantric fascination with numbers),
          Tantric mathematicians influenced Chinese mathematics as well.

          Joseph Needham notes that "the most important Tantrist" was Yi Xing (672 to
          717), "the greatest Chinese astronomer and mathematician of his time." Indian
          astronomers who were living in China in the eighth century were particularly
          occupied with calendrical studies, and made use of developments in trigonometry
          that had already emerged in India (and that went far beyond the original Greek
          roots of Indian trigonometry). This was also around the time when Indian
          astronomy and mathematics, including trig-onometry, were influencing the
          mathematics and the sciences of the Arab world, through the translation into
          Arabic of Aryabhata, Varahamihira, and Brahmagupta, among others. [4]

          Chinese records show that several Indian astronomers and mathematicians held
          high positions in the Astronomical Bureau at the Chinese capital during this
          period. Not only did one of them, Gautama, became president of the Board of
          Astronomy in China , he also produced the great Chinese compendium of
          astronomy, Kaiyvan Zhanjing , an eighth-century scientific classic. He adapted
          a number of Indian astronomical works for publication in Chinese, among them
          the Jiuzhi li , which draws on a particular planetary calendar in India and is
          clearly based on a classical Sanskrit text, produced around 550 CE by the
          mathematician Varahamihira. This work is mainly an algorithmic guide to
          computation, estimating, for example, the duration of eclipses based on the
          diameter of the moon and other relevant parameters. The techniques involved
          drew on methods established by Aryabhata in the late fifth century, and then
          further developed by his followers in India , including Varahamihira and
          Brahmagupta.

          Yang Jingfeng, an eighth-century Chinese astronomer, described the mixed
          background of official Chinese astronomy:

          Those who wish to know the positions of the five planets adopt Indian
          calendrical methods.... So we have the three clans of Indian calendar experts,
          Chiayeh [Kasyapa], Chhüthan [Gautama], and Chümolo [Kumara], all of whom hold
          office at the Bureau of Astronomy. But now most use is made of the calendrical
          methods of Master Chhüthan, together with his "Great Art," in the work which is
          carried out for the government. The Indian astronomers, such as Gautama or
          Kasyapa or Kumara, would not have gone to China except for the connections that
          were made possible by Buddhism, but their work can hardly be seen primarily as
          contributions to Buddhism.

          4.
          The literature of cultures and civilizations includes much discussion of
          China 's alleged insularity and its suspicion of ideas that have come from
          elsewhere. This view has also been invoked in recent years to try to explain
          Chinese resistance to democratic politics. Such simple interpretations,
          however, cannot explain why China so readily embraced the market economy at
          home and abroad following the economic reforms of 1979, while its leaders
          firmly resisted political democracy. But it is also true that China has not, in
          fact, been as intellectually insular as is frequently assumed.

          Here China 's relations with India are of particular importance. As it happens,
          India is the only country in the outside world to which scholars from ancient
          China went for their education and training; we have records of more than two
          hundred distinguished Chinese scholars who spent extensive periods of time in
          India in the second half of the first millennium. The Chinese primarily sought
          a knowledge of Sanskrit and of Buddhist literature, but they were interested in
          much else as well. Some Indian influences are evident, as with the use of key
          terms and concepts from Sanskrit such as ch'an or zen derived from dhyana , or
          meditation, as well as the themes of Chinese operas that drew on Sanskrit
          stories (such as The Heavenly Girl Scattering Flowers ). The movement of
          knowledge between China and India went, of course, in both directions. Joseph
          Needham attempted to provide a list of mathematical ideas that "radiated from
          China ," particularly to India , and he has argued that many more ideas went
          from China to India than moved in the opposite direction: " India was the more
          receptive of the two cultures." [9] It seems clear that an earlier record of
          use would have been much more likely to have been lost in India than in China .
          5.

          The transfer of ideas and skills in mathematics and science remains central to
          the contemporary commercial world whether for the development of information
          technology or of modern industrial methods. What may perhaps be less clear is
          how nations learn from one another both in enlarging the scope of public
          communication and in improving public health care. As it happens, both were
          important in the intellectual relations between China and India in the first
          millennium and remain central even today.

          As a religion, Buddhism began with at least two specific characteristics that
          were quite unusual, its agnosticism and its commitment to broad discussion of
          public issues. Some of the earliest open public meetings on record, aimed
          specifically at settling disputes over religious beliefs as well as other
          matters, took place in India in elaborately organized Buddhist "councils," in
          which adherents of different points of view argued their differences. The first
          of these large councils was held in Rajagriha shortly after Gautama Buddha's
          death 2,500 years ago. The largest of the councils, the third, was held in the
          capital city of Patna , under the patronage of Emperor Ashoka in the third
          century BCE. Ashoka also tried to codify and circulate what must have been
          among the earliest formulations of rules for public discussion?a kind of
          ancient version of Robert's Rules of Order . He demanded, for
          example, "restraint in regard to speech, so that there should be no extolling
          of one's own sect or disparaging of other sects on inappropriate occasions, and
          it should be moderate even in appropriate occasions." Even when engaged in
          arguing, "other sects should be duly honored in every way on all occasions."

          Insofar as reasoned public discussion is central to democracy (as John Stuart
          Mill, John Rawls, and Jürgen Habermas, among many others, have argued), the
          origins of democracy can indeed be traced in part to the tradition of public
          discussion that received much encouragement from the emphasis on dialogue in
          Buddhism in both India and China (and also in Japan, Korea, and elsewhere). It
          is also significant that nearly every attempt at early printing in China ,
          Korea , and Japan was undertaken by Buddhists. Diamond Sutra is almost entirely
          a religious document, the boldly inscribed dedication of this ninth-century
          book, "for universal free distribution," announces a commitment to public
          education.

          John Kieschnick has noted that "one of the reasons for the important p
          • drf Re: CHINY ..................INDIE /3 30.11.04, 20:50

            John Kieschnick has noted that "one of the reasons for the important place of
            books in the Chinese Buddhist tradition is the belief that one can gain merit
            by copying or printing Buddhist scriptures," and he has argued that "the
            origins of this belief can be traced to India ." The development of printing,
            of course, had a powerful effect on the development of democracy, but even in
            the short run, it opened new possibilities for public communication and had
            enormous consequences for social and political life in China . Among other
            things, it also influenced neo-Confucian education, and as Theodore de Bary has
            noted, "women's education achieved a new level of importance with the rise
            of...learning [during the Song dynasty] and its neo-Confucian extensions in the
            Ming, marked by the great spread of printing, literacy, and schooling." 6.

            The connections between India and China in public health care are both
            significant and little-known. After Fax-ian arrived in India in 401 AD, he took
            considerable interest in contemporary health arrangements. He was particularly
            impressed by the civic facilities for medical care in fifth-century Patna:

            All the poor and destitute in the country...and all who are diseased, go to
            these houses, and are provided with every kind of help, and doctors examine
            their diseases. They get the food and medicines which their cases require, and
            are made to feel at ease; and when they are better, they go away of themselves.
            Whether or not this description was too flattering of the clinics in fifth-
            century Patna (which seems very likely), what is striking is Faxian's desire to
            learn from the provisions for public health in the country he visited for a
            decade.

            Two and half centuries later, Yi Jing also became interested in health care,
            and he devoted to it three chapters of his book on India. He was more impressed
            with Indian health practice than with Indian medical knowledge. While giving
            India credit for some medical treatments, mainly aimed at lessening pain and
            discomfort (e.g., "ghee, oil, honey, or syrups give one relief from cold"), he
            concluded, "In the healing arts of acupuncture and cautery and the skill of
            feeling the pulse, China has never been surpassed [by India]; the medicine for
            prolonging life is only found in China." On the other hand, he wrote, there was
            much to learn from India about health care: "The Indians use fine white cloth
            for straining water and in China fine silk should be used," and "in China,
            people of the present time eat fish and vegetables mostly uncooked; no Indians
            do this." While Yi Jing returned to China pleased with his country of origin
            (he even asked rhetorically: "Is there anyone, in the five parts of India, who
            does not admire China?"), he still made a point of evaluating what China could
            learn from India.

            7.
            Public health is a subject about which one country can learn from another, and
            it should be clear that India today has much to learn from China. Indeed, life
            expectancy has been longer in China than in India for many decades. However,
            the history of progress in extending life expectancy in the two countries tells
            a more interesting story. Shortly after the revolution, Maoist China made an
            early start in providing widespread health care, and there was nothing
            comparable in India at the time. By 1979, when Deng Xiaoping's economic reforms
            were first introduced, Chinese on average lived fourteen years longer than
            Indians.

            Then, after the economic reforms of 1979, the Chinese economy surged ahead,
            growing much faster than India's. Despite China's much faster economic growth,
            however, the average rate of increase in life expectancy in India has, since
            1979, been about three times as fast as that in China. China's life expectancy
            is now about seventy-one years, while India's is sixty-four years; the life-
            expectancy gap in favor of China, which was fourteen years in 1979 (at the time
            of the Chinese reforms), has now been halved to seven years.

            Indeed, China's life expectancy of seventy-one years is now lower than that in
            some parts of India, notably in the state of Kerala, which, with its 30 million
            people, is larger than many countries; Kerala has been particularly successful
            in combining Indian-style multiparty democracy (including public debates and
            widespread participation of citizens in public life) with improvements in
            health through state initiatives of the type that China undertook after the
            Revolution. [16] The fall in the fertility rate of Kerala has also been
            substantially faster than in China , despite China 's coercive birth-control
            policies. At the time of the Chinese reforms in 1979, life expectancy in Kerala
            was sightly lower than in China . However between 1995 and 2000 (the last
            period for which firm figures for life expectancy in India are available),
            Kerala's life expectancy of seventy-four years was already significantly higher
            than China 's last firm figure of seventy-one years in 2000. Moreover, since
            the 1979 economic reforms, the infant mortality rate in China has declined
            extremely slowly, whereas it has continued to fall very rapidly in Kerala. At
            the time of the Chinese reforms in 1979 Kerala had roughly the same infant
            mortality rate as China?thirty-seven per thousand. Its present rate is ten per
            thousand, a third of China's thirty per thousand (which has not changed much
            over the last decade).

            Two factors, both of which bear on the issue of democracy, help to explain the
            slackening of Chinese progress in prolonging life, notwithstanding the positive
            effects of China's extremely rapid economic growth. First, the reforms of 1979
            largely eliminated free public health insurance, and most citizens had to buy
            private health insurance (except when it was provided by the employer, which
            happens only in a small number of cases). This withdrawal of a highly valued
            public service met with little political resistance ?as it undoubtedly would
            have in any multiparty democracy.

            Second, democracy and political freedom are not only valuable in themselves;
            they also make a direct contribution to public policy (including health care)
            by bringing failures of social policy under public scrutiny. So while India has
            much to learn from China about economic policy and also about health care,
            India's experience with public communication and democracy could still be
            instructive for China. It is worth recalling that the tradition of irreverence
            and defiance of authority that came with Buddhism from India to China was
            singled out for particularly strong criticism by the Chinese in the early
            denunciations of Buddhism.

            Fu-yi, a powerful Confucian leader, submitted in the seventh century the
            following complaint about Buddhists to the Tang emperor. It has, in fact, some
            similarity with the recent attacks on the Falun Gong:

            Buddhism infiltrated into China from Central Asia, [in] a strange and barbarous
            form, and as such, it was then less dangerous. But since the Han period the
            Indian texts began to be translated into Chinese. Their publicity began to
            adversely affect the faith of the Princes and filial piety began to degenerate.
            The people began to shave their heads and refused to bow their heads to the
            Princes and their ancestors. Fu-yi proposed not only a ban on Buddhist
            preaching but a new way of dealing with the "tens of thousands" of activists
            rampaging in China. "I request you to get them married," Fu-yi advised the Tang
            emperor, and "then bring up [their] children to fill the ranks of your army."
            The emperor, we learn, refused to use this approach to eliminating Buddhist
            defiance.

            With stunning success, China has become a leader of the world economy, and from
            this India?like many other countries?has been learning a great deal,
            particularly in recent years. But
            • drf Re: CHINY ..................INDIE /4 30.11.04, 20:58
              With stunning success, China has become a leader of the world economy, and from
              this India?like many other countries?has been learning a great deal,
              particularly in recent years. But the achievements of democratic participation
              in India, including Kerala, suggest that China, for its part, may also have
              something to learn from India. Indeed, the history of China 's attempts to
              overcome its insularity?especially during the second half of the first
              millennium?has continuing interest and practical usefulness for the world
              today. Notes

              China , Vol. 2 (Cambridge University Press, 1956), p. 427.

              jya , for what we now call "sine." Arab mathematicians in the eighth century
              transliterated the Sanskrit word jya into the proximate sound of jiba and then
              later changed it to jaib (with the same consonants as jiba ), which is a good
              Arabic word, meaning a bay or a cove, and it was this word that was later
              translated by Gherardo of Cremona (circa 1150) into its equivalent Latin word
              for a bay or a cove, viz., sinus , from which the modern term "sine" is
              derived. See Howard Eves, An Introduction to the History of Mathematics
              (Saunders, sixth edition, 1990), p. 237. Aryabhata's jya was translated into
              Chinese as ming and was used in such tables as yue jianliang ming ,
              literally "sine of lunar intervals." See Jean-Claude Martzloff, A History of
              Chinese Mathematics (Springer, 1997), p. 100.

              pradhan mantri , or principal adviser), came much later, via Malaya .

              The Impact of Buddhism on Chinese Material Culture, p. 166.

              The New York Review , December 20, 1990; "Missing Women," British Medical
              Journal , Vol. 304 (March 7, 1992); and "Missing Women Revisited," British
              Medical Journal , Vol. 327 (December 6, 2003). They also discuss the economic,
              political, and social lessons from Kerala's experience, including the reach of
              radical but democratic politics and the role of education and the agency of
              women.

              University of Chicago Law Review , Vol. 63 (Summer 1996).

              Statistical Yearbook 2003 ( Beijing : China Statistics Press, 2003), Table 4-
              17, p. 118. The Chinese big cities, in particular Shanghai and Beijing,
              outmatch the state of Kerala, but most Chinese provinces have life expectancy
              figures far lower than Kerala's.

              Hunger and Public Action (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1989). Large famines, which
              continued to occur in British India right up to the end (the Bengal famine of
              1943 was just four years before India's independence), disappeared abruptly
              with the establishment of a multiparty democracy in India. In contrast, China
              had the largest famine in recorded history during 1958?1961, when nearly 30
              million people, it is estimated, died.


              Peter Stein


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              • Gość: . Don?t ask if you like Europe ? IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 01.12.04, 11:29
                Don?t ask if you like Europe ?
                Luncheon address at the Heritage Foundation, Washington DC ,
                November 22, 2004 .
                By Dr Carl-Johan Westholm , former CEO of the Swedish Federation of Private
                Enterprises (Företagarna) and the Swedish Federation of Trade (Svensk Handel):


                Warm thanks for the opportunity to speak to you about a subject that engages or
                puzzles most of us: Europe .


                I especially appreciate being here at the Heritage Foundation, whose leadership
                both in the USA and the rest of the world, has inspired so many to work for a
                greater atmosphere of freedom. To breathe freely makes the difference between
                hope and despair in the life of societies and individual human beings.


                How should we interpret the ongoing diplomatic skirmishes between US and EU? Is
                there an Atlantic Divide developing into an Atlantic Drift? Permit me to
                simplify by talking about Europe and EU as the same thing, and as a homogenous
                part of the world, which of course is not the whole truth.


                How can we better understand the day-to-day media news about Europe and EU?
                Let us look at dreams about Europe , at the ideas , and at the most popular key
                words .

                Who is dreaming about Europe ? And what is Europe ?


                The big united Germany , with its 83 million people, makes 1.3 percent of the
                world population. EU with 25 member states has about 450 million inhabitants,
                or 7.2 percent of the world population. USA has less: 292 million inhabitants,
                or 4.6 percent.


                China with its 1 300 millions has 21 per cent of the world population. When non-
                Chinese companies come to China , in order to sell, it often ends up with a new
                factory in China . European and American businessmen are dreaming more of China
                than of Europe . The exception is former Eastern Europe , where the labour
                costs are low.


                When the Chinese leaders check the world, they are not that interested in what
                is going on in Europe . They admire America . USA is the dream. It is also
                there they often want their sons and daughters to go, to study and to work and
                even sometimes settle.


                If the European Union were a state in the USA it would belong to the poorest
                group of states. France , Italy , Great Britain and Germany have lower GDP per
                capita than all but four of the states in the United States . In fact, GDP per
                capita is lower in the vast majority of the EU-countries (EU 15) than in most
                of the individual American states. This puts Europeans at a level of prosperity
                on par with states such as Arkansas , Mississippi and West Virginia . Only the
                miniscule country of Luxembourg has higher per capita GDP than the average
                state in the USA . This is a result of a study by two Swedish economists (
                Robert Gidehag and Fredrik Bergström : EU versus USA , Timbro 2004).


                ?The European Dream? does not exist, not even as catch word. ?Peace in our
                time? was Chamberlain?s notorious words after Munich 1938 ? and the longing for
                peace is the nearest you come a European dream after two world wars, which were
                two European civil wars during a time when Europe still called itself ?the
                world?.


                To make Europe a peaceful place was called ?the European Idea?. The Coal and
                Steel Union should prevent France and Germany to go to war again. This pre
                runner to EU was a mix of a trade union and an industrial cartel, with the best
                of intentions.


                There is no such expression as the British Idea, or the French Idea, or the
                Swedish. There is not either an American Idea.


                There is an American Dream : millions of men and women dream of better lives,
                to succeed in freedom and with their own means. American politicians talk about
                the American Dream. This is a reality, in the lives of individuals and the
                nation.


                Europeans have their dreams too, probably the same pursuit of individual
                happiness. But European politicians talk never about the European Dream.


                The European Idea , on the contrary, is the catchword for every European
                politician who wants to look like a statesman. The idea is not individual, it
                is collectivist, of ?an ever closer union among the peoples of Europe ?, as was
                said in the Rome treaty.


                The European Idea is to foster a feeling among all people in Europe that they
                are not only, for example, Frenchmen, Germans, Italians or Swedes but also
                Europeans. This massive engagement is an elite project from above, among most
                leading politicians, businessmen, media and bureaucrats in Europe . This is a
                traditional European method. Russia was not created from the grass roots, the
                different people of the Baltic states had no strong idea of their national
                identities before some intellectuals began educating them. Italy has still many
                different languages, hard to understand even for many Italians.


                It is hard to believe that this collectivist bias in the European Idea has no
                significance. It has, and the individualist credo in the American Dream has it
                also ? but for different reasons and with different consequences.



                Few seem to dream about Europe . In Brussels , and in the political circles in
                the capitals of Europe , they talk the more. In the beginning was the Word, and
                the Word was with Europe , and the Word was Europe . For some people, it seems
                that any activity is OK, as far as it can be said to be European. For the real
                European enthusiasts, their beliefs seem to be of a secular religious
                character. Even corruption seems for some people to be of a milder type, if it
                is European. I do not overstate ? this phenomenon is visible among people who
                think that a geographic entity is more important than what is going on there.


                Fortunately, this attitude is not dominant among most Europeans, except
                unfortunately among some dominant Europeans. The European Union is the grandest
                live-show experiment in public-choice theory ever seen. The people who are
                dedicated, determined and European by their hearts and wallets are attracted by
                Brussels . The people who are not fond of Brussel?s bureaucracy and political
                interventionism, they hesitate to be in Brussels . It is difficult to see how
                this mechanism of selection would produce less of politicization on the
                European supra national level.


                But what about the key words ? The first slogan was ?integration?. The meaning
                was sometimes economic, sometimes political. When ?the European project? (also
                an inside terminology) was young, the economic aspects were underlined: less
                customs and regulations, more and freer trade between member countries. The
                European economic integration has been beneficial not only for Europe but for
                the whole world. The Common Agricultural Policy is an exception. Fortunately,
                there is no Common Industrial Policy and no Common Commercial Policy. Common
                freedom is better than common policy.


                What was once the European Economic Community (EEC) lost one ?E? and became The
                European Community (EC). The new catch word was ?harmonization?. Different
                rules in different countries should become the same for the whole area. The
                integration shifted character, from the market to the political arena. But
                still, you talked about integration ? and who could be against harmonization.
                Harmony sounds good in music, doesn?t it?


                I do not need to repeat for this audience the importance of tax competition,
                which is the opposite of tax harmonization. If you really want to harmonize not
                only taxes but the economy, you have to recall Gosplan and all the harmony that
                is on the surface of a state-owned and state-planned economy.


                By this, I do not mean that EU is Gosplan. I do not say that they are of the
                same category. But I do say that this talk of harmonization in politics, in
                Europe or wherever, is nothing but rhetorical humbug. It leads the minds of
                people in a collectivist direction, pretend
                • Gość: .. Don?t ask if you like Europe ? 2 IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 01.12.04, 11:32
                  By this, I do not mean that EU is Gosplan. I do not say that they are of the
                  same category. But I do say that this talk of harmonization in politics, in
                  Europe or wherever, is nothing but rhetorical humbug. It leads the minds of
                  people in a collectivist direction, pretending to be just common sense, and
                  politically unavoidable.



                  The first key word was integration, the second one was harmonization. What is
                  the third one?

                  ?World power?.



                  One new argument, and of growing use, is to emphasize that it is unhealthy that
                  there is only one world power, the United States, and that Europe therefore
                  must counter balance it.



                  Of course, there is a political left and right dimension on Europe . The left
                  in Europe has become more positive to EU, the right more negative ? except in
                  Sweden and Norway , where most people on the right still see EU as the chance
                  to become more continental with lower taxes etc and the leftist parties fear
                  the same. The European dimension has split the social democratic parties in
                  Scandinavia for decades, and also among non-socialist parties, you do not find
                  complete harmony (excuse me).



                  US administrations have traditionally been positive to what they also used to
                  call the European integration. The present American administration wants Turkey
                  to become a member of EU, for various reasons. In cultural terms, Russia seems
                  to have more of a European heritage than Turkey , but a Russian membership
                  would definitively change EU ? maybe so that the supranational tendencies of EU
                  would be limited, by obvious reasons.



                  Anyhow, it is interesting to observe the discussions of EU and Turkey .
                  Everything is focusing on Turkey , it is presupposed that whatever will happen,
                  EU would be good for Turkey . But imagine that the political development in EU
                  as well as Turkey will mean more of interventionism and corruption with tax
                  payers? money. In that case, two bad guys will support one another. The
                  opposite would be the case if, on the other hand, the market, not
                  collectivistic solutions, will be used more and more in Turkey as well as in
                  EU.



                  Everybody who wants to improve Europe and EU should realise that the
                  improvement is not isolated from your own values, from the increasing
                  globalisation process and, paradoxically, the increasing roles of national
                  governments on this field.



                  World trade expands with the double speed of economic growth. What happens in
                  one country becomes more and more important for people in other countries. The
                  power of each national government to do good things is more and more
                  restricted, but the power to do bad things has often wider repercussions than
                  ever. To influence government policies in other countries has become more and
                  more vital for a functioning world economy and for progress for freedom and
                  prosperity in the whole world.



                  Government officials often meet diplomats, but are the slaves of public
                  opinions, which is far better than being the servants to diplomats.



                  Globalisation of the development and distribution of ideas is a fact, which I
                  think is horribly undervalued by the proponents of globalisation. This is one
                  paradox. The other paradox is that national governments today have greater
                  options than ever to lead the opinion, not only in their own countries.



                  Take the American presidential campaign. What was said and done there was
                  reported in media all over the world. In a world with intense media presence
                  and coverage, the mandate for leadership is global.



                  A conclusion is that think tanks, being with F A Hayek?s words, ?second hand
                  dealers of ideas?, have a new potential as bridge builders between public
                  opinions in different countries and continents.



                  The history of EU is a history of a fight between different ideas. The first
                  fight was between peace and war in Europe , and the establishment of the
                  European Economic Community gave peace a better chance. But the hot political
                  idea in the 1950´s, in a Europe which longed for a peaceful development, was
                  not an innocent baby. It was a mature, planning engineer, with bold ambitions
                  and Utopia as daily breakfast. Those were the days - ?dirigisme? is a French
                  word but not a French concept.



                  The new member countries of EU have their own experiences of totalitarianism.
                  It will be fascinating to see how this will co-exist with the daily working
                  practice of west-European - and Washingtonian ? politics.



                  There are 8 000 lobbyist in Brussels , most of them trying to get advantages
                  for their clients on other companies? or peoples? expense. A few of the
                  lobbyists combat discrimination against their own group. Scarcely no lobbyist
                  is paid to promote the idea that every citizen in the union shall be treated
                  equally. The EU Commission, the national governments in Europe and all
                  officials in Brussels have looked at this as an unavoidable and thereby natural
                  and legitimate way of working; the word is ?dynamic process?.



                  The first success in Western Europe fifty years ago was peace. The second still
                  ongoing fight is between those who want to liberalize and those who want to
                  politicize Europe . But so absurd is the situation, that the peace-argument has
                  constantly been used as an argument for more politics. History shows that too
                  much politics stimulates conflicts within a society. It leads to demands from
                  different groups for protection ? trade barriers, immigration obstacles etc ?
                  against the outside world.



                  Europeans who do not want more of politics and bureaucracy in Brussels are
                  called ? in media and of course by European supra nationalists ? ?Euro-
                  sceptics? and ?anti-Europeans?. You in the US can be lucky that politicians who
                  do not want to give more power to Washington are not described as America-
                  sceptics or anti-Americans.



                  A world government would be a potential monster, with the power to integrate,
                  harmonize and limit liberty. Fortunately, to be against a world government is
                  not said to be anti-world, or world-sceptic.



                  The proposed Constitution for EU confirms the politicized character of the
                  European project. The proposals are all more or less about how to regulate
                  decision making, about how to practice power, not about how to limit power. The
                  classical definition of a constitution, however, is to give the sphere for
                  individual decision making a safe place - to protect individual freedom and
                  restrict state power.



                  You can interpret the proposed constitution to be like an ordinary West-
                  European constitution, where there are more words than deeds. You can also see
                  it as paving the way for the United States of Europe. What will be the outcome?



                  Winston Churchill is said to be the first who coined publicly the expression
                  the United States of Europe. He supported the idea, and supposed that the
                  United Kingdom should not be a member. The British Isles were not a part of the
                  political continent.



                  There is another declaration by Winston Churchill which is more appropriate for
                  Europe than this well known one which I just referred to. During WW2, this
                  political and military leader of the free Europe said the following about
                  something more important than politics and military forces. I have not found
                  the remark in any of the books of quotations I have, but instead listened to
                  the following from a tape I bought some years ago from the War Cabinet Museum
                  in London . Winston Churchill said:



                  ?The empire of the future is the empire of ideas.?



                  Therefore, it is wrong to regret an American empire, as long as it serves the
                  case of freedom. It is wrong to ask for a European world power, if its motive
                  is to balance the only strong supporter of freedom.



                  Should the American empire lose its feeling for f
                  • Gość: ... Don?t ask if you like Europe ? 3 IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 01.12.04, 11:34
                    Should the American empire lose its feeling for freedom, then may its power
                    vanish. May instead Europe or wherever there are men and women with the right
                    moral stand and stamina prevail and strengthen in their convictions and
                    resources.



                    The empire of ideas is decisive. If the geographical entity is your first
                    political idea, this will also be your last political idea.



                    Benjamin Franklin, who lived in many periods in London and Paris , knew this
                    better than anybody. A patriot, in all respects, he was asked if it was not
                    hard to be outside America for so many years. Benjamin Franklin remarked: ?
                    Where liberty is, there is my country?.



                    Therefore, don?t ask if you like Europe . Ask instead what Europe you like. Try
                    then to support your friends with the same ideas as you have, wherever your
                    friends are. ---With repeated thanks for being here, just now.









                    Peter Stein

    • rycho7 chetnie bym Cie poparl Helgo 30.11.04, 21:40
      Gość portalu: patience napisał(a):

      > Aquanet towarzyszył Aktualnościom od samego ich powstania.

      Nigdy nie czytalem Aquanteu bo byl duży i gruby.

      > Ograniczenia nakładane na ilość postów w wątku
      > mogą mieć sens w przypadku wątków towarzyskich lub ad hoc, ale nie w przypadku

      Sadze, ze rozumujesz Helgo jak spod buta Towarzyszy z Wydzialu Propagandy
      Agory. Po co skakalas ta motorowka admiralicji przez plot i oczadzialas sie
      styropianem. Ja nie widze sensu ograniczen ilosciowych w stosunku do zadnych
      watkow. Zawsze bylismy z innych swiatow.
      • Gość: patience Re: Przydaloby sie... IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 01.12.04, 00:12
        > Sadze, ze rozumujesz Helgo jak spod buta Towarzyszy z Wydzialu Propagandy
        > Agory.

        Bo to prawda, siedze pod ich butem...sad I tylko popiskuje:
        forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=299&w=17971895&a=18138286

        Niemniej dziekuje za wole poparcia, bo Sceptyk mi noz w plecy wsadza:
        forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=299&w=17971895&a=18092008
        • rycho7 co to za forum? 02.12.04, 23:06
          O forum ale nie forum o forum?
    • Gość: AquaMatrix keywords here are and remain: IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 02.12.04, 10:26
      "keywords here are and remain: experiential and evolutionary"
      Dr. Douglas C. Engelbart


      Doug Engelbart: Let's assume that the vendor world has to be driven from
      profits and market share: when you find the right hill you're going to climb,
      it can help you climb better and better towards cheaper and better product.
      But, hell, it's not going to be what helps you find the right hill. What you
      have to have is real experimental working groups. This is going to take a new
      kind of institution. So we ended up formulating
      • drf Hypertext Terms..........Talmud 04.12.04, 00:50
        www.w3.org/Terms.html

        hypertext Last modified: Wednesday, August 20, 2003





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        A special type of database system, invented by Ted Nelson in the 1960s, in
        which objects (text, pictures, music, programs, and so on) can be creatively
        linked to each other. When you select an object, you can see all the other
        objects that are linked to it. You can move from one object to another even
        though they might have very different forms. For example, while reading a
        document about Mozart, you might click on the phrase Violin Concerto in A
        Major, which could display the written score or perhaps even invoke a recording
        of the concerto. Clicking on the name Mozart might cause various illustrations
        of Mozart to appear on the screen. The icons that you select to view associated
        objects are called Hypertext links or buttons.
        Hypertext systems are particularly useful for organizing and browsing through
        large databases that consist of disparate types of information. There are
        several Hypertext systems available for Apple Macintosh computers and PCs that
        enable you to develop your own databases. Such systems are often called
        authoring systems . HyperCard software from Apple Computer is the most famous.

        www.webopedia.com/TERM/H/hypertext.html
        www.eastgate.com/HypertextNow/
        www.cyberartsweb.org/cpace/
        ..................


        History
        Foreshadowing hypertext was a simple technique used in various reference works
        (dictionaries, encyclopedias, etc.), consisting of setting a term in small
        capital letters, as an indication that an entry or article existed for that
        term (within the same reference work). In addition to such manual cross-
        references, there were experiments with various methods for arranging layers of
        annotations around a document. The most famous example is the Talmud.

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertext
        wink))

    • antykagan Re: Dab Bartek. Prosze nie mordowac Aquanetu... 03.12.04, 01:54
      Aquanet to wyjatkowy bełkot i zasmiecanie forum przez kilka osób. Może piszą
      szyfrem, może mają wizję po jakichś prochach, ale nie widzę powodu, żeby tak
      zaśmiecac forum gazety. Niech sobie założą prywatne fora.
      Polemiki nie podejmuję. To moja opinia.
      • zupagrzybowa Re: Dab Bartek. Prosze nie mordowac Aquanetu... 04.12.04, 01:18
        antykagan napisał:

        > Aquanet to wyjatkowy bełkot i zasmiecanie forum przez kilka osób. Może piszą
        > szyfrem, może mają wizję po jakichś prochach, ale nie widzę powodu, żeby tak
        > zaśmiecac forum gazety. Niech sobie założą prywatne fora.
        > Polemiki nie podejmuję. To moja opinia.

        he he i ty to mowisz?...kagan wink))

        czystosc ideologiczna ? kajdanku podstepu ?

        wink)))
        • drf MindMapping & BrainStorming 05.12.04, 01:26
          How to Mind Map
          Use just key words, or wherever possible images.
          Start from the center of the page and work out.
          Make the center a clear and strong visual image that depicts the general theme
          of the map.
          Create sub-centers for sub-themes.
          Put key words on lines. This reinforces structure of notes.
          Print rather than write in script. It makes them more readable and memorable.
          Lower case is more visually distinctive (and better remembered) than upper
          case.
          Use color to depict themes, associations and to make things stand out.
          Anything that stands out on the page will stand out in your mind.
          Think three-dimensionally.
          Use arrows, icons or other visual aids to show links between different
          elements.
          Don't get stuck in one area. If you dry up in one area go to another branch.
          Put ideas down as they occur, wherever they fit. Don't judge or hold back.
          Break boundaries. If you run out of space, don't start a new sheet; paste more
          paper onto the map. (Break the 8x11 mentality.)
          Be creative. Creativity aids memory.
          Get involved. Have fun.

          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_mapping
          www.livejournal.com/community/weblogsociology/1788.html
          www.systems-thinking.de/
          www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?MindMap
          Mind maps are often used in BrainStorming.


          .........................................

          Antyantykagan wink

          drf
          • Gość: patience Re: MindMapping & BrainStorming IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 05.12.04, 01:58
            no to zrob center.

            Robie cos w rodzaju wiki, tylko ze pliki nie sa w bazie danych, bo to
            przeszkadza w wizualizacji. Pliki bedzie mozna ukladac w grupy w sposob bardzo
            balaganiarski, a to wszystko bedzie mozna przerabiac na mindmape, a z kolei
            mindmape bedzie mozna edytowac przez zwyczajny browser. Aktualnie parsuje buga
            w linijce 16 i nie wiem dlaczego to jest bug bo dobrze napisalam? Ale sie nie
            wyswietla.

            No to CO ma byc cEnterED?

            Zrob obrazek wykresik?

            PS. Odpowiedzialam na maila, tylko ze do nowej skrzynki, bo do starej nie da
            rady.

            sciskam, 8u5!
            • Gość: d2 H20: MindMappingBrainStorming IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 05.12.04, 23:41
              praca w tokuwink
              8v7!
              • Gość: patience Re: H20: MindMappingBrainStorming IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 06.12.04, 01:51
                > praca w tokuwink
                > 8v7!


                9o0O6 !
                U mnie też!

                PS.A czy ta 8U5! jest z wystarczająco intensywnym przekonaniem?
                wink
                • Gość: drf DreamsMindMappingBrainStorming IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 08.12.04, 00:47
                  www.webcalc.net/calc/0467.php
                  powoli krok za krokiem

                  fuzzymap.snowseed.com/
                  ps: 8v7! to wiecej niz 8U5! wink

                  czego umysl nie rozgryzie to czas przetrawi wink
                  • Gość: patience Re: DreamsMindMappingBrainStorming IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 10.12.04, 22:50
                    uch uch
                    wodowanie w nowszej skrzynce.
                    ps. a 6v7! to jeszcze wiecej!
                    wink
                    • drf DMMBS& Babel/InfocalipseCard/snowcrash 11.12.04, 00:28
                      he he....wink jestem w Babilonie ale wracam niedlugo

                      872i!....(.)

                      glossolalia....

                      Glossolalia is fabricated, meaningless speech.

                      According to Dr. William T. Samarin, professor of anthropology and linguistics
                      at the University of Toronto,

                      glossolalia consists of strings of meaningless syllables made up of sounds
                      taken from those familiar to the speaker and put together more or less
                      haphazardly .... Glossolalia is language-like because the speaker unconsciously
                      wants it to be language-like. Yet in spite of superficial similarities,
                      glossolalia fundamentally is not language [Nickell, 108].

                      When spoken by schizophrenics, glossolalia are recognized as gibberish. In
                      charismatic Christian communities glossolalia is sacred and referred to
                      as "speaking in tongues" or having "the gift of tongues." In Acts of the
                      Apostles, tongues of fire are described as alighting on the Apostles, filling
                      them with the Holy Spirit. Allegedly, this allowed the Apostles to speak in
                      their own language but be understood by foreigners from several nations.
                      Glossolalics, on the other hand, speak in a foreign language and are understood
                      by nobody.

                      Glossolalics behave in various ways, depending upon the social expectations of
                      their community. Some go into convulsions or lose consciousness; others are
                      less dramatic. Some seem to go into a trance; some claim to have amnesia of
                      their speaking in tongues. All believe they are possessed by the Holy Spirit
                      and the gibberish they utter is meaningful. However, only one with faith and
                      the gift of interpretation is capable of figuring out the meaning of the
                      meaningless utterances. Of course, this belief gives the interpreter unchecked
                      leeway in "translating" the meaningless utterances. Nicholas Spanos
                      notes: "Typically, the interpretation supports the central tenets of the
                      religious community" [Spanos, 147].

                      Uttering gibberish that is interpreted as profound mystical insight by holy men
                      is an ancient practice. In Greece, even the priest of Apollo, god of light,
                      engaged in prophetic babbling. The ancient Israelites did it. So did the
                      Jansenists, the Quakers, the Methodists, and the Shakers.

                      skepdic.com/glossol.html
                      xenoglossy

                      Xenoglossy is the alleged speaking or writing in a language entirely unknown to
                      the speaker.The probability of this happening is about zero.

                      automatic writing (trance writing)
                      Automatic writing is writing allegedly directed by a spirit or by the
                      unconscious mind. It is sometimes called "trance" writing because it is done
                      quickly and without judgment, writing whatever comes to mind, "without
                      consciousness," as if in a trance. It is believed that this allows one to tap
                      into the subconscious mind, where "the true self" dwells. Uninhibited by the
                      conscious mind, deep and mystical thoughts can be accessed. Trance writing is
                      also used by some psychotherapists who think it is a quick way to release
                      repressed memories. There is no scientific evidence that trance writing has any
                      therapeutic value.

                      skepdic.com/autowrite.html
                      www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0008/ET08-6131.html

                      The Tungus tribesmen of Siberia say that when the shaman goes into his trance
                      and raves incoherent syllables, he learns the entire language of Nature."



                      "The Language of Nature."

                      "Yes, sir. The Sukuma people of Africa say that the language is kinaturu,
                      the tongue of the ancestors of all magicians, who are thought to have
                      descended from one particular tribe."

                      "What causes it?"

                      "If mystical explanations are ruled out, then it seems that glossolalia
                      comes from structures buried deep within the brain, common to all people."

                      - _Snow Crash_ by Neal Stephenson


                      fusionanomaly.net/snowcrash.html


                      • Gość: 0h0 (.)-CoD )\/..(. IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 14.12.04, 12:30
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