>>> I R A K <<<

IP: *.inter.net.il 11.09.01, 22:04
10 lat temu Saddam Hussein przyrzekal "Matke Wojen". Ojciec Bush zaczal a syn
Bush zostaje pomstony... To tylko moze zrobicz krwawy szef panstwa.
Ben Ladden jest za maly na taka opracje.
    • civic_vtec Re: >>> I R A K <<< 11.09.01, 22:09
      Moze Ty Mosze masz racje, ale to tylko spekulacja.
      Chyba jestes pierwszy tutaj z ta mysla?
      • Gość: Mosze >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.inter.net.il 11.09.01, 22:11
        Tak, zapomialem napisac...(to moja prywatna mysl)
        • Gość: MOSZE Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.inter.net.il 12.09.01, 06:45
          Gość portalu: Mosze napisał(a):

          > Tak, zapomialem napisac...(to moja prywatna mysl)

          Zrozumiec wroga potrzeba rozmawiac jego jezykiem...tak tez zrozumiesz jego
          mentalnosc...

          Kiedy Saddam wkroczyl do Kuweitu on powiedzial "SZARF" po arb. "HONOR" ja od razu
          powiedzialem ze idzie na wojne. Tylko czlowiek co dba o swoj honor, mowi tak to
          znaczy ze bedzie walczyl do konca o ...swoj honor !!!
          ON tez powiedzial "UM AL-HURUB" t.z. "MATKA WOJEN". Niestety mialem racje.
          Patrzcie caly swiat placze a w Bagdadzie robia parady.
          Prezydent Bush powiedzial do narodu: "Chocbym nawet szedl ciemna dolina,
          (ostatnia droga) Zla sie nie ulekne, bos Ty ze mna..."
          • Gość: Mosze >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.red.bezeqint.net 13.02.03, 06:56
            11:59:30
      • Gość: paul Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.tucson1.az.home.com 11.09.01, 22:12
        Nie jest.Ameryka juz tez tak spekuluje...(CNN)
        • Gość: Pac Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.warszawa.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl 11.09.01, 22:15
          Traktowanie państw arabskich w sposób demokratyczny nie sprawdziło się.
          Skurczybyki mają własną historie bardzo starą, tylko o tym zapomnieliśmy.
          Nastąpił czas pogardy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • m. Re: >>> I R A K <<< 11.09.01, 22:20
      Jednym uchem slucham telewizji. Ben Ladden jest stary ale stworzyl strukture,
      ktora sama dziala. Ben Laddena wskazal ambasador Palestyny.
      Izrael nie jest juz sam. Ale co dalej nastapi?
      • m. Re: >>> I R A K <<<ps.. 11.09.01, 22:23
        wykasowalam czesc swojej wypowiedzi i poszlo przez pomylke.
        Chyba wszyscy zrozumieli, co to teroryzm - dlatego Izrael nie jest sam.
        O Iraku nikt z polskich specow chyba nie wspomnial jeszcze ale ci panowie
        wiedza, co moga mowic a czego nie nalezy.
    • Gość: maurycy Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.jeleniag.sdi.tpnet.pl 11.09.01, 22:27
      Zgadzam się z tobą Mosze w 100%. To mi pachnie Hussainem na 100 km.
      • civic_vtec Re: >>> I R A K <<<___Maurycy 11.09.01, 22:33
        Te 100km to od WTC czy od Bagdadu. Do Jeleniej Gory zapach jeszcze nie doszedl,
        bo dalej wink
      • Gość: lokis Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.pl 11.09.01, 23:31
        W mojej opinii "trop arabski" (najbardziej w tej chwili prawdopodobny) nie
        prowadzi ani do szajki bin Ladena, ani do reżimu Husajna, ani do Talibów - tzn do
        żadnego z tych ugrupowań z osobna.

        Zachód nie rozumie, że istnienie państwa Izrael jest przez Arabów postrzegane
        jako kolejny epizod w dziejach Wypraw Krzyżowych. A ściślej mówiąc Zachód to
        rozumie, ale nie pojmuje implikacji. Ciągle sądzimy, że tylko ludzie Zachodu
        posiadają silną świadomość historyczną, z której wywodzą swoją tożsamość. A
        przecież cały Islam przepojony jest kontekstem historycznym - Mahomet żył w
        określonym czasie, daty i fakty są dokładnie znane. Islam od samego początku
        patrzył wstecz, ku zaraniu swojej ery i tam właśnie znajdował probież do oceny
        teraźniejszości.

        Z Wypraw Krzyżowych wynikła dla Arabów lekcja, którą sobie dobrze zapamiętali: w
        konfrontacji z Zachodem muszą utrzymywać jedność, inaczej przegrywają. Co nie
        przeszkadza im korzystać z militarnej potęgi Zachodu w sytuacjach, gdy wewnętrzne
        tarcia wśród państw arabskich zagrażają tej jedności. Arabia Saudyjska w wojnie o
        Kuwejt udzieliła wszelkiego poparcia koalicji państw zachodnich. Alianci
        rozgnietli armię Husajna jak pluskwę, jednak do Bagdadu nie weszli... Dlaczego ?
        Bo dwór saudyjski powiedział: dosyć.

        Istnienie ponadpaństwowego ośrodka koordynującego arabskie działania wobec krajów
        uważanych tam za wrogie Islamowi traktuję jako fakt, chociaż ten fakt przez
        nikogo nie został potwierdzony oficjalnie. I nie chodzi mi wyłącznie o działania
        terrorystyczne. Być może pierwszą udaną akcją tego ośrodka było sprowokowanie w
        połowie lat siedemdziesiątych kryzysu paliwowego i - w jego następstwie -
        gospodarczego na skalę światową ?

        Wiem, że brzmi to jak kolejna teoria spiskowa, ale po dzisiejszych wydarzeniach
        nie można wątpić w istnienie JAKIEGOŚ spisku. Przecież do zamachów nikt się nie
        przyznał, i pewnie już się nie przyzna. Realizacja czyjegoś planu nie została
        jeszcze zakończona, a zamachy wcale nie były nadrzędnym celem tego planu. Kiedy
        terroryści coś wysadzają i mówią: "to my !", chodzi im o zwrócenie uwagi na
        siebie i na swoją sprawę. Kiedy wysadzają i milczą, chcą uwagę świata odwrócić.
        Pytanie tylko - od jakiego regionu ?
        • m. Re: >>> I R A K <<< 11.09.01, 23:38
          podziwiam zimna krew i zdolnosc do analizy tematu.
        • Gość: fnoll brawo lokis! IP: *.ds.uj.edu.pl 11.09.01, 23:44
          wreszcie jakis rozsadny post smile

          szkoda, ze w starciach wielkich tego swiata gina zwykli
          ludzie, jak mrowki, jak trybiki - gdy jedno monstrum
          uderza w drugie
        • Gość: Vist ___Wielka_ropa____________________________________Środkowej___ Azji___ IP: *.wroclaw.sdi.tpnet.pl 12.10.01, 16:49
          Gość portalu: lokis napisał(a):

          > Przecież do zamachów nikt się nie przyznał, i pewnie już się nie przyzna.
          > Realizacja czyjegoś planu nie została jeszcze zakończona,
          > a zamachy wcale nie były nadrzędnym celem tego planu.

          > Kiedy terroryści coś wysadzają i mówią: "to my !",

          > chodzi im o zwrócenie uwagi na siebie i na swoją sprawę.
          > Kiedy wysadzają i milczą, chcą uwagę świata odwrócić.
          > Pytanie tylko - od jakiego regionu ?

          Albo od czego ?

          Teraz już chyba wiemy.

          Od wielkich rurociągów planowanych w Afganistanie.

          Największej od dawna ropy Środkowej Azji.


          pzdr

          Vist___________________________/
          • Gość: lokis Re: Wielka ropa IP: *.pl 14.10.01, 17:35
            Masz rację, sprawa z ropą wprowadza tutaj całkiem "nową" jakość. Media wolą
            udawać, że ta sprawa nie istnieje - nie chcą się narażać przeciętnemu
            konsumentowi informacji, który w mediach nie szuka prawdy, lecz potwierdzenia
            swoich dobrze ugruntowanych przekonań. Zresztą, "nowa" jakość jest nowa tylko w
            cudzysłowiu, bo przecież ten ponury kontekst wojen uświadomiono sobie już dawno
            temu. Jak pisał poeta:

            Wiedz, że to bujda, granda zwykła,
            Gdy ci wołają: "Broń na ramię!",
            Że im gdzieś nafta z ziemi sikła
            I obrodziła dolarami;

            (pełny tekst: http://www.biblioteka.edu.pl/bc/literatura/tuwim/prosty.html)

            A jednak - nie potrafię uwierzyć w tę z pozoru najbardziej oczywistą implikację
            zatajonych faktów. Nie wierzę w amerykański spisek, mający na celu zdobycie
            kontroli nad nowymi zasobami ropy. Niby wszystko się zgadza: już wiele razy CIA
            posuwała się do prowokacji, ginęli ludzie, władzę przejmował jakiś uległy wobec
            USA generał, a eksploatację cennych zasobów - jakaś amerykańska firma. Tylko że
            tym razem zginęły tysiące amerykanów, a cały świat zachodni zamarł z
            przerażenia.

            Przeciw teorii wewnętrznej prowokacji najbardziej według mnie przemawia jeden
            szczegół: nie sposób jest uwierzyć, że ewentualni inspiratorzy zamachu mogli
            należeć do amerykańskiego establishmentu, skoro jego wykonawcami byli islamscy
            fundamentaliści... Chyba, że uznamy cały islamski fundamentalizm za
            autoprowokację USA, ale to są już zbyt daleko idące fantasmagorie.

            Cóż więc wynika z tego - przecież nieprzypadkowego - zbiegu okoliczności ? W
            moim rozumieniu, wniosek może być tylko jeden: inspiratorzy terroryzmu prowadzą
            wyjątkowo przebiegłą grę, której celem jest skompromitowanie USA (a być może
            całego NATO). Bo za kilka lat, gdy amerykańskie koncerny zainwestują miliardy w
            afgańską ropę, USA będą zmuszone do utrzymywania stałej obecności militarnej w
            tym regionie.

            Kto wtedy da wiarę w antyterrorystyczną motywację tego zaangażowania ? USA będą
            tłumić kolejne ruchawki przy coraz mniejszym aplauzie światowej opinii
            publicznej. Wygląda na to, że jednak szykuje się kolejny Wietnam...
      • Gość: emilian Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.efekt.pl 12.09.01, 08:06
        Gość portalu: maurycy napisał(a):

        > Zgadzam się z tobą Mosze w 100%. To mi pachnie Hussainem na 100 km.

        Ja bym raczej podejrzewal kibicow Widzewa.

        • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: 194.90.236.* 12.09.01, 12:05
          Gość portalu: emilian napisał(a):

          > Gość portalu: maurycy napisał(a):
          >
          > > Zgadzam się z tobą Mosze w 100%. To mi pachnie Hussainem na 100 km.
          >
          > Ja bym raczej podejrzewal kibicow Widzewa.
          >

          Nie rozumie co masz na mysli ??
          Teraz wladze palestynskie zabrali filmy zagranicznych agencji, ktore
          zrobily i pokazali zdjecia jak "ciesza" sie w arabskich miejscowosciach
          od tragedji w Ameryce.
          • Gość: civic Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: 10.240.68.* / *.adtranz.se 12.09.01, 14:53
            Gość portalu: Mosze napisał(a):

            > Nie rozumie co masz na mysli ??

            Mosze, on nie ma nic na mysli. On nie mysli

            > Teraz wladze palestynskie zabrali filmy zagranicznych agencji, ktore
            > zrobily i pokazali zdjecia jak "ciesza" sie w arabskich miejscowosciach
            > od tragedji w Ameryce.

            Za pozno. Swiat juz widzial to co bylo do zobaczenia
          • Gość: emilian Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.efekt.pl 12.09.01, 14:58
            Gość portalu: Mosze napisał(a):

            > Nie rozumie co masz na mysli ??
            > Teraz wladze palestynskie zabrali filmy zagranicznych agencji, ktore
            > zrobily i pokazali zdjecia jak "ciesza" sie w arabskich miejscowosciach
            > od tragedji w Ameryce.

            Mosze, ty tez bys sie cieszyl jakbys byl Palestynczykiem i mieszkal w strefie
            Gazy. Co nie znaczy ze ci uradowani ludzi sa winowajcami tego zdazenia. Oni
            pewnie nie wiedza ze Twoi rodacy juz tankuja czolgi i mysliwce zeby im nie bylo
            za wesolo.



            Tak samo pewnie cieszyli sie wiezniowie obozow koncentracyjnych gdy alianci
            bombardowali niemieckie masta.

            • civic_vtec Re: >>> I R A K <<<_____do emiliana 12.09.01, 15:49
              Czy miejsce na trybunie stadionu ligowego zapewnia Ci odpowiedni widok na cala
              akcje? Swiat to nie stadion pilkarski.

              Umiejetnosc czytania i pisania juz posiadles, brawo. Teraz czas na nauke
              zrozumienia przeczytanego tekstu, a potem na umiejetnosc formulowania mysli. Po
              drodze moze nauczysz sie myslec i nie bedziesz mieszal faktow i pojec.
              Powodzenia!
              • Gość: emilian Re: >>> I R A K <<<_____do emiliana IP: *.efekt.pl 13.09.01, 08:49
                civic_vtec napisał(a):

                > Czy miejsce na trybunie stadionu ligowego zapewnia Ci odpowiedni widok na cala
                > akcje? Swiat to nie stadion pilkarski.
                >
                > Umiejetnosc czytania i pisania ....

                Jezeli juz sobie ulzyles to chyba czas najwyzszy otrzec juz "piane z pyska".
                Mialem odpowiedziec na twoj wyszukany post, istny majstersztyk, juz wczoraj ale
                nie bylo ku temu warunkow technicznych. Wiec:
                1. Nie znam sie na pilce noznej ani na stosunkach panujacych wsrod tzw. kibicow,
                ale obserwujac twoje oburzenie sadze ze twoj stosunek do zespolu Widzewa jest
                bardzo emocjonalny.

                2. Gdybym wiedzial ze wywolam az takie emocje to zamiast Widzewa (pierwsze co mi
                przyszlo do glowy) napisalbym np. Zwiazek Hodowcow Golebia Pocztowego.

                3. Moj post, ktory wywolal u ciebie tyle niezdrowych uczuc, byl odpowiedzia na
                nijakiego maurycego. Przypomne moze ze Mosze opisal i bardzo ciekawa teorie
                wedlog ktorej to Hussain jest odpowiedzialny za niedawna akcje terrorystyczna w
                NY. Pomimo ze w poscie Mosze''go zabrzmialo to w pewien sposob prawdopodobnie
                (przynajmniej dla takiego laika jak ja) to zadne oficjalne zrodla raczej nie
                wspominaja o takiej mozliwosci (przynajmniej do wczoraj). No ale oczywiscie
                musial sie wyrwac przed szereg i oswiadczyc ze
                ..."Zgadzam się z tobą Mosze w 100%. To mi pachnie Hussainem na 100 km."...
                tak jakby znali sie z Hussainem jak "dwa lyse konie".
                Tak mnie to zirytowalo(podobnie jak ciebie szarganie dobrego imienia Widzewa) ze
                postanowilem dac odpowiedz.
                • civic_vtec Re: >>> I R A K <<<_____do emiliana 13.09.01, 09:42
                  Dziekuje za Twoje wyjasnienie. Ja tez nie palam miloscia do zadnego klubu
                  pilkarskiego, a tzw. kibicom zyczylbym (...) wbrew chrzescijanskim nakazom
                  milosci do blizniego. Moj atak wynikal z tonu Twojego postu, gdzie na pierwszy
                  plan wyszly animozje miedzy "milosnikami" footbolu. Przynajmniej tak do
                  odczytalem.

                  Po "pianie na pysku" dawno juz sladu nie ma. Za druga czesc mojego postu
                  przepraszam. Widze, ze myslec potrafisz, a sztuke przelewania mysli na papier
                  tez opanowales.

                  Pozdrawiam zyczac Tobie, sobie i wszystkim na tym forum opanowania emocji jakim
                  podlegamy po ostatnich wydarzeniach.

                  vtec
                  • civic_vtec Re: >>> I R A K <<<_____do emiliana, raz jeszcze 13.09.01, 09:52
                    Napisalem poprzedni post po przeczytaniu Twojego wyjasnienia.
                    Pozniej znalazlem post wczesniejszy - o Misiu Uszatku i jego pochodzeniu.

                    Teraz wiem, ze moja pierwsza, intuicyjna reakcja na ciebie byla wlasciwa.

                    vtec
                    • Gość: emilian Re: >>> I R A K <<<_____do emiliana, raz jeszcze IP: *.efekt.pl 13.09.01, 15:58
                      civic_vtec napisał(a):

                      > Teraz wiem, ze moja pierwsza, intuicyjna reakcja na ciebie byla wlasciwa.

                      No nie przesadzajmy. Ktos sobie zrobil jaja z ta lista, ktos mu uwierzyl i tak
                      dalej poszlo. Jezeli piszesz to "powaznie" to, wybacz, ale przydalo by ci sie
                      troche relaksu. Zaczynasz sie czepiac zartow. A nawet nie odrozniasz ich od
                      rzeczywistosci.
            • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.inter.net.il 12.09.01, 18:06
              Gość portalu: emilian napisał(a):
              >
              > Mosze, ty tez bys sie cieszyl jakbys byl Palestynczykiem i mieszkal w strefie
              > Gazy. Co nie znaczy ze ci uradowani ludzi sa winowajcami tego zdazenia. Oni
              > pewnie nie wiedza ze Twoi rodacy juz tankuja czolgi i mysliwce zeby im nie bylo
              >
              > za wesolo.
              >
              > Tak samo pewnie cieszyli sie wiezniowie obozow koncentracyjnych gdy alianci
              > bombardowali niemieckie masta.
              >
              To nie jest tak. W naszej wierze jest wzbronione nawet jak zwyciezyles wroga to
              nie wolno sie cieszyc. Jak Talibany rozbili pomniki u siebie i swiat milczal to
              tez Zydzi winni. Ty nie rozumiesz ta mentalnosc. Patrzysz przez oczy Europejczyka.
              Jak Jan Palach podpalil sie przeciw Rosjanom on nie ladowal na siebie TNT i
              wysadzal jeszcze innych.
              Tutaj jest inna mentalnosc tylko sila i krew.
              • Gość: emilian Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.efekt.pl 13.09.01, 08:09
                Gość portalu: Mosze napisał(a):

                > To nie jest tak. W naszej wierze jest wzbronione nawet jak zwyciezyles wroga to
                > nie wolno sie cieszyc. ...

                Mialem na mysli zwyczajny ogoludzki odruch a nie konkretnie wasza wiare. Poza tym
                nasza wiara (tak samo jak pewnie wasza) nie pochwala nienawisci a mimo to ludzie
                nienawidza. Tak samo twoje slowa jakoby wiara wzbraniala wam cieszyc sie z kleski
                wroga sa dla mnie jedynie wyrazeniem jakiejs idei zachowan, nijak nie majacych
                sie do rzeczywistych ludzkich uczuc, niezaleznie od narodu, kultury, czy
                szerokosci geograficznej.

                Pozdrawiam
                • Gość: AB Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: 194.181.74.* 13.09.01, 09:07
                  Mosze, Ty świetnie mówić po Polsku
                  Gdzie Ty mieszkać, w Polska, Israel, Irak a może w Swojej Ojczyzna - USA.
                  Ja ciebie pozdrawiać !
                  • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.barak.net.il 13.09.01, 09:20
                    Moj Drogi, Mieszkam w Tel-Awiwie, to jest Swieta Ziemia... smile))
                    Pozdrawiam,
                    Mosze
    • jacek#jw Re: A dlaczego nie Pakistan? 13.09.01, 09:32
      Gość portalu: Mosze napisał(a):

      > 10 lat temu Saddam Hussein przyrzekal "Matke Wojen". Ojciec Bush zaczal a syn
      > Bush zostaje pomstony... To tylko moze zrobicz krwawy szef panstwa.
      > Ben Ladden jest za maly na taka opracje.

      Posiadający techniczne i praktyczne możliwości wyprodukowania bomby A. Świat nie
      kręci się tylko wokół Izraela i Bliskiego Wschodu.
      PS.
      To też tylko czyste spekulacje.
      • Gość: Mosze ))) I R A K ((( IP: *.inter.net.il 13.09.01, 18:26
        jacek#jw napisał(a):

        > Gość portalu: Mosze napisał(a):
        >
        > > 10 lat temu Saddam Hussein przyrzekal "Matke Wojen". Ojciec Bush zaczal a
        > syn
        > > Bush zostaje pomstony... To tylko moze zrobicz krwawy szef panstwa.
        > > Ben Ladden jest za maly na taka opracje.
        >
        > Posiadający techniczne i praktyczne możliwości wyprodukowania bomby A. Świat ni
        > e
        > kręci się tylko wokół Izraela i Bliskiego Wschodu.
        > PS.
        > To też tylko czyste spekulacje.

        Pakistan ma swoje klopoty z India. Wszystkie jego "Armaty" sa skierowane do Indii.
        ... ale tez myslec potrzeba, kto wie nieraz ida inne wiatry..
        • jacek#jw Re: ))) I R A K ((( 14.09.01, 08:30
          Gość portalu: Mosze napisał(a):

          >
          > Pakistan ma swoje klopoty z India. Wszystkie jego "Armaty" sa skierowane do Ind
          > ii.
          > ... ale tez myslec potrzeba, kto wie nieraz ida inne wiatry..

          Konflikt z Indiami jest nie mniej grożny niż te, w które uwikłany jest Izrael.
          Związki Pakistanu z Talibami są oczywiste. Nie da się ze sprawy Izraelskiej
          zrobić światowej krucjaty przeciw terroryzmowi arabskiemu. Trzeba widzieć całość
          problemu.
          • Gość: jad Re: ))) I R A K ((( IP: *.silvershark.com.pl 14.09.01, 08:41
            niewesolo jest sad
    • Gość: Mosze >>> I R A K <<< No. 2 ?? IP: *.inter.net.il 10.10.01, 07:13
      ???
      • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< No. 2 ?? IP: *.inter.net.il 10.10.01, 07:22
        Irak wzywa kraje islamskie do potępienia nalotów na Afganistan

        (PAP) (10-10-01 06:12)

        10.10.Dauha (PAP/Reuters,ITAR-TASS) - Iracki minister spraw zagranicznych Nadżi
        Sabri wezwał we wtorek kraje islamskie do potępienia amerykańskich nalotów na
        Afganistan. Ostrzegł też, że kolejnym celem USA może stać się Irak.

        Sabri przemawiał w stolicy Kataru - Dausze, gdzie w środę odbędzie się
        nadzwyczajne posiedzenie skupiającej 56 państw Organizacji Konferencji
        Islamskiej. Jego głównym tematem ma być operacja przeciwko Afganistanowi.

        Obserwatorzy spodziewają się jednak, że większość uczestników posiedzenia
        zajmie niekonfrontacyjne stanowisko i ograniczy się do wyrażenia solidarności z
        ludnością cywilną rejonów, na które spadły amerykańskie rakiety i bomby.

        Ministrowie prawdopodobnie dadzą też wyraz zaniepokojeniu, że operacja
        militarna Stanów Zjednoczonych przeciwko międzynarodowym terrorystom może objąć
        inne kraje islamskie. (PAP)

        • jacek#jw Re: >>> I R A K <<< No. 2 ?? 14.10.01, 19:15
          Cześć Mosze.
          Jak tam Twój optymizm. Powoli następuje polaryzacja stanowisk według kluczu
          islam - chrześcijaństwo. To klucz do wojny. Może należy zacząć głosić tezę, że
          terroryzm islamski musi być zwalczany przez państwa islamskie.
          Pozdr / Jacek
          • Gość: WOJO!!!! Re: >>> I R A K <<< slad Antraxu prowadzi do Iraku !!! IP: 213.8.144.* 15.10.01, 06:22
            Teraz jest Antrax gdyby mogli poczestowaliby nas atomowka , tylko ,ze
            Izrael im przeszkodzil !
            • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< slad Antraxu prowadzi do Iraku !!! IP: *.inter.net.il 15.10.01, 07:43
              Gość portalu: WOJO!!!! napisał(a):

              > Teraz jest Antrax gdyby mogli poczestowaliby nas atomowka , tylko ,ze
              > Izrael im przeszkodzil !

              Saddam ma tez gazy: Sarin, Tabun i najgorszy VX...
              • Gość: Sala Re: >>> I R A K <<< slad An IP: *.toya.net.pl 08.08.02, 15:51
                Poza tym : dysponuje bronia biologiczna. Najprawdopodonbniej waglik.
                Poza tym : nie mozna wykluczyc posiadania bomby atomowej przez Husajna.
          • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< No. 2 ?? IP: *.inter.net.il 15.10.01, 07:41
            jacek#jw napisał(a):

            > Cześć Mosze.
            > Jak tam Twój optymizm. Powoli następuje polaryzacja stanowisk według kluczu
            > islam - chrześcijaństwo. To klucz do wojny. Może należy zacząć głosić tezę, że
            > terroryzm islamski musi być zwalczany przez państwa islamskie.
            > Pozdr / Jacek

            To jest niemozliwe. Wszystkie panstwa islamskie maja krwawy rezym. Oni nie wiedza
            co to demokracja i wybory. Pisalem nie raz ze tam tylko "ogniem i mieczem".
            Tam kazdy szef panstwa boi sie swojego cienia...Oni boja sie ze motloch zdobyje
            ulice i bedze przewrot. W kilku panstwach byly krwawe demonstracje i duzo ludzi
            zginelo od kul policji... (Nigerja, Palestyna, Pakistan)
            Ja mysle ze pociag wyjechal juz z stacji i nie mozna zatrzymac juz.....
            sad(
            Mosze
            • jacek#jw Re: >>> I R A K <<< No. 2 ?? 15.10.01, 17:02
              Mosze,
              Sądzę, że mniej więcej to jest tak. Gdyby Izrael spacyfikował Autonomię, to
              największy protest wyszedłby z zachodniej Europy. Państwa Arabskie i Irak nie
              protestowałyby zbyt mocno. Z dwóch powodów. Po pierwsze takie działanie wpisuje
              się w ogólne metody działania tych państw i po drugie Palestyńczycy
              wykorzystywani są jako karta przetargowa w stosunkach z Izraelem, USA czy UE i
              nie są przedmiotem rzeczywistego poparcia (po pacyfikacji w dalszym ciągu można
              grać kartą palestyńską). Podobnie jest z interwencją USA w Afganistanie.
              Państwa muzułmańskie tak naprawdę nie popierają Talibów. Stąd przyzwolenie na
              akcję USA, przyzwolenie, które jest wrogie. Na to wszystko nakładają się
              różnice między obu światami, wystąpienia ludności, protesty, próby opisania co
              tak naprawdę się dzieje. Piszesz, że nie ma tam demokracji, pociąg już
              wyjechał. Brak demokracji nie oznacza terroru. Państwa mogą być rządzone przez
              królów i szejków, być muzułmańskie, a mimo to przeciwstawiać się terroryzmowi.
              Odstawienie tych państw na boczny tor jest bardzo groźne. Sądzę, że dla nich o
              wiele bardziej zrozumiały jest odwet, niż interwencja w celach pokojowych.
              Królowie i szejkowie nigdy nie pogodzą się z obalaniem ich i osadzaniem na
              tronie przez USA, NATO, czy kogokolwiek. Pociąg nie wyjechał, on jedzie bez
              przerwy (no może dawniej to była karawana). Skoro trwa to setki lat, to
              dlaczego nie miało by to trwać przez kolejne wieki. Ludziom, rządzonym przez
              szejków nie jest źle i może potrafią oni zrozumieć (podobnie jak my), że
              konfrontacja zbrojna to upadek ich świata. Nawet Irak musi brać pod uwagę
              realność swoich mrzonek i reakcję swoich muzułmańskich sąsiadów na to co robi.
              Dostrzeżenie wspólnych interesów politycznych i wykorzystanie tego uważam za
              niezbędne, o ile nie chcemy się cofnąć w rozwoju o parę tysiącleci.
    • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.inter.net.il 27.11.01, 18:15
      Czy ma ktos wiadomosci, dlaczego w Iraku jest stan pogotowia od 4.9.2001r
      Pzdr,
      Mosze
      • Gość: Dr.FröJD Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 27.11.01, 20:43
        JaSne To Moje UroDziny...
    • Gość: Mosze Janes !! 13.2.2002 IP: *.inter.net.il 13.02.02, 20:29

      13 February 2002
      America and Israel closer together

      As more voices in the Bush administration are calling for a move against Iraq’s
      President Saddam Hussein as the next step in the ‘war against terrorism’, the
      American and Israeli armed forces are making plans for joint operations in the
      Middle East.

      If indeed the Americans are now about to launch an air attack, possibly with
      ground forces, to topple Saddam, the Iraqi dictator is likely to retaliate
      against Israel.

      Experts believe that once Saddam feels he is about to lose the battle he might
      retaliate by using chemical and biological weapons aboard ballistic missiles or
      hard-to-hit low-flying bombers.

      • Gość: Sala Re : Ten watek IP: *.toya.net.pl 08.08.02, 15:48
        Wyobrazcie sobie, ze wczoraj dowiedzialam sie o trwajacym w Stanach
        Zjednoczonych sledztwie na temat roznego rodzaju watkow antyamerykanskich,
        prohusejnowskich, ekstremistycznych grozbach wychodzacych najprawdopodobniej
        jednego z polskich portali internetowych.
        Co wy na to? Moze spotkaliscie sie z tym na jakims portalu?
        Pozdrawiam
        Sala
    • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: 5.2.1R1D* / 62.90.175.* 22.04.02, 15:33
      debka.com/body_index.html
    • Gość: U Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.gis.net 22.04.02, 18:31
      Nie zapominajmy,ze Kuwejt jest czescia Iraku.Jesli nie.to jak wyglada sprawa Zach.Brzegu?
      Pytam,bo chce wiedziec.
    • Gość: MoSzE >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.red.bezeqint.net 17.07.02, 20:00
      23:58
      • Gość: © >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 17.07.02, 23:19
        Gość portalu: MoSzE napisał(a):

        ) 23:58



        Below are some of the many inspiring messages
        we have received with the Pizza orders.

        Please note these are messages that people out there have sent to the soldiers
        and do not represent the opinions or views of PizzaIDF.org or isralVisit.co.il.




        Thank you, soldiers, for defending Israel! You are always in my prayers. Enjoy
        the ice cream!
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        Amazing! Before the 'intifada' I never gave a thought to visiting Israel. Now
        I'm looking up flight schedules from the US and sending food to the IDF. To
        prepare, I bought Judaism for Dummies and will soon buy a Torah (and read it).
        And I don't even believe in God.
        Your performance brings honor to all Jews. Thank you.
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        I wish I could send Mama's chicken soup but this is as good as it gets. I am
        74 years old from Argentina and each one of you is my grandchild.
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -


        We are all for you. Thank you for your sacrifice. Our thoughts and prayers are
        with you always.
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        Thank you for all you are doing for our home land and all the Jewish people.
        Please keep up the GREAT work. All our best,
        Chicago, IL USA
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        Thabk you, each and everyone, for protecting our people. As chetzi olim, (we
        live half of each year in Ra'anana and half in the U.S.) you all are
        constantly in our thoughts and prayers. May Hashem, speedily, grant us peace.
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        Hello friends!
        My name is Marcus and I'm a German police inspector and section leader. I hope
        your duty is right now not all too dangerous or too boring. I have been in
        Israel for three times and it is a wonderful country. You're doing an
        important job!
        May God, the Lord, bless you and protect you!
        Bon appetite!
        P.S.
        If the pizza was already cold, let me hear.
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        When the moon hits your eye, like a big pizza pie.
        That's like destroying Arafat's little compound in Ramallah!
        Go get 'em, boys!
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        In this time of trouble for the state of Israel remember that there are a lot
        of us back in the United States that support you. My God bless you all and
        bring you the hard earned peace you have worked so hard for.
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        Dear IDF soldiers:
        You are fighting for us, and we know it. We are doing all we can to support
        you by raising money, giving money, and educating our three children.
        Thank you for your dedication and sacrifice.
        This food is just a small token of our appreciation. My three children
        especially wanted you to have this.
        All the best, and please stay safe.
        Boca Raton, Florida
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        From JCC summer camp kids.
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        May God bless you and the State of Israel!
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        I hope you enjoy the pizza. My thoughts and prayers are with you. I wish you
        the best of health. God bless
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        You stand as the only barrier protecting our people from another Holocaust.
        Your achievements biblical in proportion. I only wish I was able to do more
        (my term of service was limited to SAREL). Sorry to bore you, you know why
        your there, you know why you must do as must.... I wish you could understand
        how proud you make us feel in the gallut. Without you we are small, Without
        out you we are lost, Without you we are alone more than you know. Please
        accept my humble gift.
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        G-d Bless you all
        You are in our thoughts and prayers in Virginia USA
        Shalom shalom
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        Being the strongest in spirit, you are the pride and hope of the Jews
        worlwide! You are in our thoughts, in our hearts. Thank you for your courage
        and bravery. You're not alone! Stay safe, stay alive...
        Your 'brother' from Chicago.
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        We love you and pray for your safety. Thank you for protecting our precious
        land.
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        Shalom Haverim,
        I wish I could deliver this myself, but I am a little too far away.
        Enjoy the pizza guys, and remember....you are in our thoughts and in our
        hearts. So be careful out there, stay alive, and don't eat the pizza too fast.
        =)
        B'Tayavon!
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        Thank you for defending the people and state of Israel.
        New York
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        I was in Tel Aviv today and it was hot. I was really in the mood for some ice
        cream when I got home.
        I thought you guys might be hot also and might also be in the mood for some
        ice cream.
        Hope you will all go home safely.
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        This pizza is for the HOT Israeli soldiers!!!!!
        Enjoy it and be strong!
        Chicago, IL
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        In honor of Nicola, my niece, 14th birthday on July 4th, enjoy!
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        Thank you for guarding our homeland. We pray every day for your safety and
        peace in Israel. Please know that everyone we know supports Israel
        unconditionally.
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        Dear Brave Soldiers;
        Keep up the the life-risking difficult work for Eretz Israel and for us here
        in the diaspora! We love and cherish you! From San Francisco, CA
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        We Jews in Los Angeles thank you for your courage and dedication to our holy
        land. We are praying for your safety.
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        We appreciate the hard work that all of you are doing. Enjoy.
        from: Isreal Action Committee, Congregation Beth El, Fairfield, CT. USA
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        %d«est Wishes from Los Angeles on the Independence Day of the USA, where we
        learned long ago that freedom isn't free, that heroes like you make us free
        and keep us free.
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        Stay Strong-May Hashem watch over you.
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        Thank you for your dedication to the people and State of israel.
        May HaShem watch over you!
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        Hang in there guys! You're doing a great job and we love you! - American Jews
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -

        For the first time since 1972, the United States is at war during it's Jully
        4th Independence Day.
    • Gość: code© >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 18.07.02, 01:24


      Below are some of the many inspiring messages
      we have received with the Pizza orders.

      Please note these are messages that people out there have sent to the soldiers
      and do not represent the opinions or views of PizzaIDF.org or isralVisit.co.il.




      Thank you, soldiers, for defending Israel! You are always in my prayers. Enjoy
      the ice cream!
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Amazing! Before the 'intifada' I never gave a thought to visiting Israel. Now
      I'm looking up flight schedules from the US and sending food to the IDF. To
      prepare, I bought Judaism for Dummies and will soon buy a Torah (and read it).
      And I don't even believe in God.
      Your performance brings honor to all Jews. Thank you.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      I wish I could send Mama's chicken soup but this is as good as it gets. I am
      74 years old from Argentina and each one of you is my grandchild.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -


      We are all for you. Thank you for your sacrifice. Our thoughts and prayers are
      with you always.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Thank you for all you are doing for our home land and all the Jewish people.
      Please keep up the GREAT work. All our best,
      Chicago, IL USA
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Thabk you, each and everyone, for protecting our people. As chetzi olim, (we
      live half of each year in Ra'anana and half in the U.S.) you all are
      constantly in our thoughts and prayers. May Hashem, speedily, grant us peace.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Hello friends!
      My name is Marcus and I'm a German police inspector and section leader. I hope
      your duty is right now not all too dangerous or too boring. I have been in
      Israel for three times and it is a wonderful country. You're doing an
      important job!
      May God, the Lord, bless you and protect you!
      Bon appetite!
      P.S.
      If the pizza was already cold, let me hear.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      When the moon hits your eye, like a big pizza pie.
      That's like destroying Arafat's little compound in Ramallah!
      Go get 'em, boys!
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      In this time of trouble for the state of Israel remember that there are a lot
      of us back in the United States that support you. My God bless you all and
      bring you the hard earned peace you have worked so hard for.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Dear IDF soldiers:
      You are fighting for us, and we know it. We are doing all we can to support
      you by raising money, giving money, and educating our three children.
      Thank you for your dedication and sacrifice.
      This food is just a small token of our appreciation. My three children
      especially wanted you to have this.
      All the best, and please stay safe.
      Boca Raton, Florida
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      From JCC summer camp kids.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      May God bless you and the State of Israel!
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      I hope you enjoy the pizza. My thoughts and prayers are with you. I wish you
      the best of health. God bless
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      You stand as the only barrier protecting our people from another Holocaust.
      Your achievements biblical in proportion. I only wish I was able to do more
      (my term of service was limited to SAREL). Sorry to bore you, you know why
      your there, you know why you must do as must.... I wish you could understand
      how proud you make us feel in the gallut. Without you we are small, Without
      out you we are lost, Without you we are alone more than you know. Please
      accept my humble gift.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      G-d Bless you all
      You are in our thoughts and prayers in Virginia USA
      Shalom shalom
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Being the strongest in spirit, you are the pride and hope of the Jews
      worlwide! You are in our thoughts, in our hearts. Thank you for your courage
      and bravery. You're not alone! Stay safe, stay alive...
      Your 'brother' from Chicago.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      We love you and pray for your safety. Thank you for protecting our precious
      land.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Shalom Haverim,
      I wish I could deliver this myself, but I am a little too far away.
      Enjoy the pizza guys, and remember....you are in our thoughts and in our
      hearts. So be careful out there, stay alive, and don't eat the pizza too fast.
      =)
      B'Tayavon!
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Thank you for defending the people and state of Israel.
      New York
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      I was in Tel Aviv today and it was hot. I was really in the mood for some ice
      cream when I got home.
      I thought you guys might be hot also and might also be in the mood for some
      ice cream.
      Hope you will all go home safely.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      This pizza is for the HOT Israeli soldiers!!!!!
      Enjoy it and be strong!
      Chicago, IL
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      In honor of Nicola, my niece, 14th birthday on July 4th, enjoy!
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Thank you for guarding our homeland. We pray every day for your safety and
      peace in Israel. Please know that everyone we know supports Israel
      unconditionally.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Dear Brave Soldiers;
      Keep up the the life-risking difficult work for Eretz Israel and for us here
      in the diaspora! We love and cherish you! From San Francisco, CA
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      We Jews in Los Angeles thank you for your courage and dedication to our holy
      land. We are praying for your safety.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      We appreciate the hard work that all of you are doing. Enjoy.
      from: Isreal Action Committee, Congregation Beth El, Fairfield, CT. USA
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      %d«est Wishes from Los Angeles on the Independence Day of the USA, where we
      learned long ago that freedom isn't free, that heroes like you make us free
      and keep us free.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Stay Strong-May Hashem watch over you.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Thank you for your dedication to the people and State of israel.
      May HaShem watch over you!
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Hang in there guys! You're doing a great job and we love you! - American Jews
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      For the first time since 1972, the United States is at war during it's Jully
      4th Independence Day.
      In a time of war, it is the time to celebrate
    • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< Immunization >>> IP: 5.2.1R* / *.barak.net.il 08.08.02, 14:46
      US Preparations for Iraq Offensive
      From DEBKA-Net-Weekly August 2
      5 August: In total hush, the US has embarked on advance preparations deep
      inside Iraq for the coming offensive against Baghdad. In northern Iraq, these
      preparations are in the form of crash engineering projects.
      According to DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military sources, US army engineers and
      equipment are working round the clock in the Kurdish regions of northern Iraq
      to throw up a series of six to eight small airfields that will cater to the
      main body of American and Turkish forces when they cross over into Iraq. The
      new fields, some of which are no more than widened landing strips, will also
      serve the fighter planes and helicopters providing a vanguard of special forces
      with air cover. The airfields are strung along three strategic axes.
      Axis 1 , or the western axis, starts in the northern Kurdish city of Zako and
      stretches southwest along the Iraqi border with Syria to the city of Sinjar,
      west of the oil city of Mosul.
      Axis 2 , or the central axis, stretches from Zako south to the Kurdish-
      controlled city of Irbil, located between the two main Iraqi oil cities of the
      north – Mosul and Kirkuk. The airfields now under construction are points on
      the axis.
      Axis 3, or the eastern axis, stretches from Irbil to Sulimaniyeh, the Kurdish
      power and government hub in northern Iraq.
      DEBKA-Net-Weekly ’s military experts report that work on the air bases is
      almost finished and the facilities are practically ready for limited use by US
      or Turkish warplanes and helicopters. They are going up under the noses of
      Iraqi armored divisions deployed along the Lesser Zab and Greater Zab rivers.
      Although the American engineers pose as personnel working for Kurdish
      construction contracting firms, Iraqi air and ground reconnaissance units
      almost certainly know what’s up, but have so far made no move to interfere with
      the work.
      This segment comes from the exclusive wrap-up of American preparations for the
      war in Iraq carried in the latest issue of DEBKA-Net-Weekly No. 71, published
      on August 2. The complete version is available only to DNW subscribers. To
      place
    • Gość: Sala Re: >>> I R A K <<< <-> IP: *.toya.net.pl 08.08.02, 15:55
      Amerykanskie FBI prowadzi sledztwo na temat puszczania pogrozek pod adresem
      Busha i ekstremistycznych wypowiedzi w stylu Al-Quedy.
      Najprawdopodobniej, jak twierdzi FBI, lisy wychodza z polskiego portalu.
      Podejrzany wysyla je tez na roznego rodzaju fora internetowe.
      Spotkaliscie sie z tym?
      jesli tak to psze o kontakt
      Pozdr Sala
    • Gość: Sala Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.toya.net.pl 08.08.02, 16:26
      Mosze czy to ty bo korzystasz z innego IPA?????????????
      Jesli nie to.......
      ......
      ......
      ......
      • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: 5.2.1R1D* / *.red.bezeqint.net 08.08.02, 18:08
        ipipipipipipi wink)))
    • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: 5.2.1R1D* / *.red.bezeqint.net 10.08.02, 22:59

      debka.com/body_index.html
      One Israeli Woman Murdered by Palestinian Terrorists in Mechorah in
      Jordan Rift Valley, East of Nablus, Saturday night
      Two Israelis Very Seriously Injured, Rushed by Helicopter to Hospital
      One Attacker Killed in Ensuing Gun Battle, Second Sought
      Turkey Seizes Critical Bamerni Airport in
      North Iraq – Hurriyet
      Strategic Airfield Now Occupied by Turkish 5,000-Strong Force
      With US Special Forces Troops
      See Earlier DEBKAfile Story Below Released First to
      DEBKA-Net-Weekly Subscribers
      Seizure Assures US-Led Forces Control of Skies over
      Big Northern Iraq Oil Cities: Mosul, Kirkuk
      Read DEBKAfile Military Analysis below
      International Oil Dealers Warn of Irreplaceable Oil
      Market Loss if Saddam Lashes out at
      Saudi Arabian, Kuwait Oilfields
    • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: 5.2.1R1D* / *.red.bezeqint.net 12.08.02, 07:59
      US Iraq Campaign Has Its First Engagement
      DEBKAfileSpecial Military Analysis
      10 August: America’s offensive against Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq has
      begun as an exercise in gradualism rather than a D-Day drama. DEBKAfile ’s
      military sources report that tens of thousands of US, British, French,
      Netherlands, Australian troops may take part in the campaign, openly or
      covertly, but not in massive waves that fling themselves telegenically on
      Baghdad.
      The fact of the matter is that American military concentrations are already
      unobtrusively present in northern and southern Iraq. The US campaign to oust
      Saddam is therefore unfolding already, albeit in salami-fashion, slice by
      slice, under clouds of disinformation and diversionary ruses – like the latest
      statements by President George W. Bush (No date set yet for the offensive) and
      British premier Tony Blair (Plenty of time before the war begins), or the grave
      reservations issuing from the Russian, French and German leaders. The peasoup
      of deception is further thickened by utterances in the last 48 hours from
      Turkish prime minister Bulent Ecevit, King Abdullah of Jordan, President Hosni
      Mubarak of Egypt and the Saudi crown prince Abdullah. They warn Washington that
      attacking Iraq would be a terrible mistake, one which they want no part of.
      DEBKAfile’s military sources attempt here to pierce some of the thickets of
      confusion with a few facts on the ground:
      A. Special US forces entered the Kurdish regions of north Iraq towards the end
      of March nearly four months ago, to set up local Kurdish militias and train
      them for battle.
      B. At around the same time, Turkish special forces went into northern Iraq in
      waves that continued through April, fetching up in Turkmen regions around the
      big oil towns of Mosul and Kirkuk.
      C. Meanwhile, the Americans threw a ring of bases – using existing facilities
      and adding new ones – around Iraq. They have since been pouring into those
      bases US armored ground units, tanks, air, navy and missile forces, as well as
      combat medical units and special contingents for anti-nuclear, biological and
      chemical warfare. According to our sources, the noose around Iraq extends from
      Georgia and Turkey in the north, Israel, Egypt and Jordan to the west, Eritrea
      and Kenya in the southwest, and Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and Bahrain
      to the south.
      Furthermore, a large US armada, including aircraft carriers, has assembled at
      three points: the eastern Mediterranean, the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf.
      D. Since June, American and Turkish construction engineers have been working
      in northern Iraq, building and expanding airfields and air strips to make them
      fit for military use.
      (Details of this operation appear in an earlier report on this page.)
      First US Military Steps
      In the past week, once those preparations were in place, the United States
      carried out two military operations:
      1. Tuesday August 6, at 0800 hours Middle East time, US and British air
      bombers went into action and destroyed the Iraqi air command and control center
      at al-Nukhaib in the desert between Iraq and Saudi Arabia. The center contained
      advanced fiber optic networks recently installed by Chinese companies. DEBKA-
      Net-Weekly’s military sources say the raid made military history. For the first
      time, the US air force used new precision-guided bombs capable of locating and
      destroying fiber optic systems. The existence of such weaponry was hitherto
      unknown.
      Following the destruction of the facility, about 260 miles (415 kilometers),
      southwest of Baghdad, waves of US warplanes swept in from the Prince Sultan air
      base in Saudi Arabia and from US aircraft carriers in the Gulf and flew over
      the Iraqi capital.
      The Iraqi air force and anti-aircraft system held their fire on orders from
      above. This deep air penetration told the Americans that the early warning
      radar system protecting Baghdad and its environs from intrusion by enemy
      aircraft and missiles was inactive.
      2. Two days later, on Wednesday night, August 8, Turkey executed its first
      major military assault inside Iraq. DEBKAfile’s military sources learn from
      Turkish and Kurdish informants that helicopters under US, British and Turkish
      warplane escort flew Turkish commandos to an operation for seizing the critical
      Bamerni airport in northern Iraq. This airport, just outside the Kurdish
      region, lies 50 miles north of the big Iraqi oil cities of the north, Kirkuk
      and Mosul. With the Turkish commandos was a group of US special forces officers
      and men. Bamerni airport was captured after a brief battle in which a unit of
      Iraqi armored defenders was destroyed, opening the airport for giant American
      and Turkish transports to deliver engineering units, heavy machinery and
      electronic support equipment, which were put to work at once on enlarging the
      field and widening its landing strips.
      The American unit, reinforced, went on to capture two small Iraqi military
      airfields nearby.

      The Turkish expeditionary force in northern Iraq now numbers some 5,000 men, in
      addition to Turkish air force contingents.
      DEBKAfile’s military experts explain that with Bamerni airport and the two
      additional airfields the Americans have acquired full control of the skies
      over the two oil cities of Mosul and Kirkuk, as well as over the Syrian-Iraqi
      railroad, which they can now cut off by aerial bombardment. A prime strategic
      asset, this railroad is Saddam’s back door for taking delivery of his illegal
      overseas arms purchases, which are ferried from Syrian ports to Baghdad by the
      Syrian-Iraqi railway. On the return journey, the same railway carries illegal
      Iraqi oil exports, over and above the quantities allowed under UN sanctions,
      out to market. The Iraqi war effort and the Syrian treasury depend heavily on
      the revenues accruing from these smuggled oil sales.
      The battle over this airfield was in fact the first important face-to-face
      engagement between a US-led invasion force and Iraqi troops. It was carried out
      seven hours before the Iraqi ruler delivered his televised speech to the
      nation, on the 14th anniversary of the bloody eight-year Iraq-Iran war. In that
      speech, Saddam threatened American troops going to war against Iraq that they
      would return home in coffins.
      Next Steps
      Just before the Saddam address, US spy satellites and planes detected unusual
      movements by elite Republic Guard units in the capital. They appeared to be
      digging positions below ground on the banks of the Tigris. Some military
      commentators were convinced the Iraqi ruler had decided to bury himself and his
      key associates in fortified bunker-type positions. He was said to be counting
      on American reluctance to engage in urban warfare in Iraqi towns for fear of
      large-scale-casualties that would force them to withdraw.
      DEBKAfile’s military experts see little sign of this tactic – aside from the
      initial report. In fact, the bulk of the Iraqi army is concentrated in three
      regions outside Baghdad - the Kurdish regions of the north, the H-3 and al
      Baghdadi air bases opposite the Jordanian border in the center, and along the
      Saudi and Kuwaiti frontiers, in the south.
      In the north, the Iraqi armored divisions, which are massed opposite the
      Turkish border along the Little and Big Zeb Rivers, show now sign of movement
      in response to US-Turkish activity.
      Iraqi concentrations in the center and south have been augmented somewhat but
      not substantially.
      Iraq’s military passivity in the face of US-led advances and strikes is
      beginning to worry the American, Turkish and Israeli high commands. They
      suspect that Saddam is playing the same fog-of-war game as Washington, so as to
      put them to sleep and then catch them unawares.
      Such sudden action could take the form of an
    • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: 5.2.1R1D* / *.red.bezeqint.net 12.08.02, 08:00
      US Preparations for Iraq Offensive
      From DEBKA-Net-Weekly August 2
      5 August: In total hush, the US has embarked on advance preparations deep
      inside Iraq for the coming offensive against Baghdad. In northern Iraq, these
      preparations are in the form of crash engineering projects.
      According to DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military sources, US army engineers and
      equipment are working round the clock in the Kurdish regions of northern Iraq
      to throw up a series of six to eight small airfields that will cater to the
      main body of American and Turkish forces when they cross over into Iraq. The
      new fields, some of which are no more than widened landing strips, will also
      serve the fighter planes and helicopters providing a vanguard of special forces
      with air cover. The airfields are strung along three strategic axes.
      Axis 1, or the western axis, starts in the northern Kurdish city of Zako and
      stretches southwest along the Iraqi border with Syria to the city of Sinjar,
      west of the oil city of Mosul.
      Axis 2, or the central axis, stretches from Zako south to the Kurdish-
      controlled city of Irbil, located between the two main Iraqi oil cities of the
      north – Mosul and Kirkuk. The airfields now under construction are points on
      the axis.
      Axis 3, or the eastern axis, stretches from Irbil to Sulimaniyeh, the Kurdish
      power and government hub in northern Iraq.
      DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military experts report that work on the air bases is almost
      finished and the facilities are practically ready for limited use by US or
      Turkish warplanes and helicopters. They are going up under the noses of Iraqi
      armored divisions deployed along the Lesser Zab and Greater Zab rivers.
      Although the American engineers pose as personnel working for Kurdish
      construction contracting firms, Iraqi air and ground reconnaissance units
      almost certainly know what’s up, but have so far made no move to interfere with
      the work.
      This segment comes from the exclusive wrap-up of American preparations for the
      war in Iraq carried in the latest issue of DEBKA-Net-Weekly No. 71, published
      on August 2. The complete version is available only to DNW subscribers. To
      place your order, click HERE.
    • Gość: Mosze >>> I R A K <<< ... --- ... IP: 5.2.1R1D* / *.red.bezeqint.net 16.08.02, 08:14
      More US Troops in Jordan for Iraq Offensive
      12 August: Notwithstanding official denials, the 4,000 US troops who began
      landing in Aqaba Monday, August 12, will be transferred to the northeast
      Jordanian desert region bordering on Iraq. Officially, they have come for a
      three-week joint exercise with the Jordanian army. But DEBKAfile’smilitary
      sources report that the American increment supplements the US force already
      stationed in Jordan, raising the total to close to 8,000 US troops.
      King Abdullah and Jordanian ministers have been consistent in denying the
      presence of American troops on their soil. They insist that Jordanian bases
      will not serve as jumping off points for an assault against Iraq. These denials
      were repeated by the Jordanian king, when he called on Saudi crown prince
      Abdullah in Jedda Monday, August 12.
      From DEBKA-Net-Weekly Issue 71, August 2
      On this central front, the American war plan calls for a US force, built around
      a backbone of armored and special forces, to push into western Iraq and seize
      the strategic group of air bases - H-3 northwest, H-3 northeast, H-3 main base
      and the H-3 landing strip, which consists of a stretch of highway running from
      western Iraq across the border into central Jordan. US and Jordanian forces
      will also capture H-2, northeast of the Iraqi city of Ar Rutbah.
      As in the south, here too small units of US special forces have gone into
      action – this time with Jordanian special forces – for strikes at Iraqi command
      centers, transportation routes and military and supply convoys, thereby
      preparing the ground in this sector too for the main thrust.
      On this front, the United States will have the use of units stationed for some
      months in Jordan. According to DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military sources, they are
      stationed in two bases in close proximity to one another on the kingdom’s
      eastern border with Iraq and at the Jordanian air base of Ruwayshid, while a
      smaller contingent is located further north at the air base in Wadi al-Murbah.
      Formerly an airstrip serving light planes and helicopters tracking smugglers
      and minor Iraqi incursions, US army engineers have converted this base into a
      major air installation.
      ______________________________________
      US Iraq Campaign Has Its First Engagement
      DEBKAfileSpecial Military Analysis
      10 August: America’s offensive against Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq has
      begun as an exercise in gradualism rather than a D-Day drama. DEBKAfile’s
      military sources report that tens of thousands of US, British, French,
      Netherlands, Australian troops may take part in the campaign, openly or
      covertly, but not in massive waves that fling themselves telegenically on
      Baghdad.
      The fact of the matter is that American military concentrations are already
      unobtrusively present in northern and southern Iraq. The US campaign to oust
      Saddam is therefore unfolding already, albeit in salami-fashion, slice by
      slice, under clouds of disinformation and diversionary ruses – like the latest
      statements by President George W. Bush (No date set yet for the offensive) and
      British premier Tony Blair (Plenty of time before the war begins), or the grave
      reservations issuing from the Russian, French and German leaders. The peasoup
      of deception is further thickened by utterances in the last 48 hours from
      Turkish prime minister Bulent Ecevit, King Abdullah of Jordan, President Hosni
      Mubarak of Egypt and the Saudi crown prince Abdullah. They warn Washington that
      attacking Iraq would be a terrible mistake, one which they want no part of.
      DEBKAfile ’s military sources attempt here to pierce some of the thickets of
      confusion with a few facts on the ground:
      A. Special US forces entered the Kurdish regions of north Iraq towards the end
      of March nearly four months ago, to set up local Kurdish militias and train
      them for battle.
      B. At around the same time, Turkish special forces went into northern Iraq in
      waves that continued through April, fetching up in Turkmen regions around the
      big oil towns of Mosul and Kirkuk.
      C. Meanwhile, the Americans threw a ring of bases – using existing facilities
      and adding new ones – around Iraq. They have since been pouring into those
      bases US armored ground units, tanks, air, navy and missile forces, as well as
      combat medical units and special contingents for anti-nuclear, biological and
      chemical warfare. According to our sources, the noose around Iraq extends from
      Georgia and Turkey in the north, Israel, Egypt and Jordan to the west, Eritrea
      and Kenya in the southwest, and Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and Bahrain
      to the south.
      Furthermore, a large US armada, including aircraft carriers, has assembled at
      three points: the eastern Mediterranean, the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf.
      D. Since June, American and Turkish construction engineers have been working
      in northern Iraq, building and expanding airfields and air strips to make them
      fit for military use.
      First US Military Steps
      In the past week, once those preparations were in place, the United States
      carried out two military operations:
      1. Tuesday August 6, at 0800 hours Middle East time, US and British air
      bombers went into action and destroyed the Iraqi air command and control center
      at al-Nukhaib in the desert between Iraq and Saudi Arabia. The center contained
      advanced fiber optic networks recently installed by Chinese companies. DEBKA-
      Net-Weekly’s military sources say the raid made military history. For the first
      time, the US air force used new precision-guided bombs capable of locating and
      destroying fiber optic systems. The existence of such weaponry was hitherto
      unknown.
      Following the destruction of the facility, about 260 miles (415 kilometers),
      southwest of Baghdad, waves of US warplanes swept in from the Prince Sultan air
      base in Saudi Arabia and from US aircraft carriers in the Gulf and flew over
      the Iraqi capital.
      The Iraqi air force and anti-aircraft system held their fire on orders from
      above. This deep air penetration told the Americans that the early warning
      radar system protecting Baghdad and its environs from intrusion by enemy
      aircraft and missiles was inactive.
      2. Two days later, on Wednesday night, August 8, Turkey executed its first
      major military assault inside Iraq. DEBKAfile’s military sources learn from
      Turkish and Kurdish informants that helicopters under US, British and Turkish
      warplane escort flew Turkish commandos to an operation for seizing the critical
      Bamerni airport in northern Iraq. This airport, just outside the Kurdish
      region, lies 50 miles north of the big Iraqi oil cities of the north, Kirkuk
      and Mosul. With the Turkish commandos was a group of US special forces officers
      and men. Bamerni airport was captured after a brief battle in which a unit of
      Iraqi armored defenders was destroyed, opening the airport for giant American
      and Turkish transports to deliver engineering units, heavy machinery and
      electronic support equipment, which were put to work at once on enlarging the
      field and widening its landing strips.
      The American unit, reinforced, went on to capture two small Iraqi military
      airfields nearby.

      The Turkish expeditionary force in northern Iraq now numbers some 5,000 men, in
      addition to Turkish air force contingents.
      DEBKAfile’s military experts explain that with Bamerni airport and the two
      additional airfields the Americans have acquired full control of the skies
      over the two oil cities of Mosul and Kirkuk, as well as over the Syrian-Iraqi
      railroad, which they can now cut off by aerial bombardment. A prime strategic
      asset, this railroad is Saddam’s back door for taking delivery of his illegal
      overseas arms purchases, which are ferried from Syrian ports to Baghdad by the
      Syrian-Iraqi railway.
    • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: 5.2.1R1D* / *.red.bezeqint.net 16.08.02, 18:08
      Israel Urges U.S. to Attack Iraq
      Aug 16, 08:45 AM EST

      JERUSALEM (AP) - Israel is urging U.S. officials not to delay a military strike
      against Iraq's Saddam Hussein, an aide to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said
      Friday.

      Israeli intelligence officials have gathered evidence that Iraq is speeding up
      efforts to produce biological and chemical weapons, said Sharon aide Ranaan
      Gissin.

      "Any postponement of an attack on Iraq at this stage will serve no purpose,"
      Gissin told The Associated Press. "It will only give him (Saddam) more of an
      opportunity to accelerate his program of weapons of mass destruction."

      The United States has been considering a military campaign against Iraq to
      remove Saddam from power, listing him as one of the world's main terrorist
      regimes. However, there is considerable world opposition to a U.S. strike.

      As evidence of Iraq's weapons building activities, Israel points to an order
      Saddam gave to Iraq's Atomic Energy Commission last week to speed up its work,
      Gissin said.

      "Saddam's going to be able to reach a point where these weapons will be
      operational," he said.

      Gissin said Israel was not seeking to dictate the timing of a U.S. military
      campaign but said that, faced with the threat of one, Saddam was fast
      developing weapons.

      While the Israeli government backs U.S. action against Iraq, there is also
      concern in Israel that in response, Iraq would launch missile attacks against
      Tel Aviv and other cities in Israel.

      During the 1991 Gulf War, in which U.S.-led forces pushed back an Iraqi
      invasion of neighboring Kuwait, Iraq hit Israel with 39 Scud missiles - none of
      them with chemical or biological warheads - causing few casualties but
      extensive damage.

      In the 1991 conflict, the United States worried it would lose Arab support if
      Israel retaliated for the strikes, and under heavy pressure Israel reluctantly
      agreed to hold back. However, Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer
      said Israel would defend itself against any new attacks.

      In an interview published Friday, Ben-Eliezer told the daily Yediot Ahronot
      that Israel would surely become a target during such a conflict and would
      consider retaliation in coordination with U.S. forces.

      "We will be one of the main targets," he told the newspaper. "What I told the
      Americans, and I repeat it: 'Don't expect us to continue to live with the
      process of restraint. If they hit us, we reserve the right of response.'"

      Iraq has few chemical and biological weapons, Ben-Eliezer said. "We are taking
      this into account and we are prepared. But we are so far away from this right
      now that all this hysteria is simply unnecessary," he said.

      A survey in the daily Maariv newspaper showed 57 percent of Israelis were in
      support of an American battle to wipe out Saddam's leadership, though about the
      same percent of people questioned believed Iraq would attack Israel. The survey
      found that 28 percent of them thought Iraq would use chemical or biological
      weapons against Israel.

      The poll, which surveyed 590 adult Israelis and quoted a 4 percent margin of
      error, found 23 percent were in favor of using nuclear weapons against Iraq to
      retaliate for such an attack.

      Meanwhile at a demonstration in the southern Gaza Strip on Thursday, about 200
      Palestinians called on Iraq to strike Israel.





      Copyright 2002 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be
      published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
      • _helga Re: >>> I R A K <<< 16.08.02, 18:30
        No taksad Zgadzam sie z toba Mosze. Matka Wojen.
        • Gość: Sala Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: *.pai.net.pl 16.08.02, 23:40
          Dzieki Mosze za info.
          Prosze o wiecej wiesci z frontu.
          Czy w Eretz wprowadzono juz obowiazkowe szczepionki dla mieszkancow?
          Mam nadzieje, ze tak.
          Calusy Sala
          • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: 5.2.1R1D* / *.red.bezeqint.net 17.08.02, 07:50
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            > Dzieki Mosze za info.
            > Prosze o wiecej wiesci z frontu.
            > Czy w Eretz wprowadzono juz obowiazkowe szczepionki dla mieszkancow?
            > Mam nadzieje, ze tak.
            > Calusy Sala

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    • Gość: Mosze Re: >>> I R A K <<< IP: 5.2.1R* / 62.90.241.* 20.08.02, 10:11
      daily.webshots.com/content/ap/current/h32276106.html
      Iraq Lab Said Linked to al-Qaida
      Aug 19, 09:41 PM EST

      CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) - Arab terrorists linked to al-Qaida may have tested
      biological weapons at a small facility in northern Iraq known to American
      intelligence, a U.S. official said Monday.

      U.S. intelligence agencies had reason to suspect that the facility, in a part
      of northern Iraq not controlled by President Saddam Hussein's government, was a
      kind of laboratory for chemical and biological weapons activity that included
      testing on barnyard animals and at least one man, the official said, speaking
      on condition of anonymity.

      U.S. officials believe the terrorists tested a biological toxin known as ricin,
      a deadly poison made from the castor bean plant.

      The Pentagon has reviewed possibly taking military action because any time
      there is intelligence about production of weapons of mass destruction all
      options are considered, including military, a U.S. counterterror official said
      in Washington.

      The Bush administration considered a covert military operation against the
      facility in Kurdish-controlled Iraq, but President Bush did not approve
      military action, ABC News' "World News Tonight" reported Monday.

      Citing unidentified intelligence officials, ABC News said that as U.S.
      surveillance of the weapons facility intensified, Bush administration officials
      concluded it was too small and crude to be worth risking American lives and the
      outcry among allies that might follow any U.S. action inside Iraq.

      At the White House, a spokesman for Bush's National Security Council refused
      comment.

      "As a matter of policy, we don't discuss whether something was or was not
      briefed to the president," spokesman Michael Anton said in Washington. "We
      don't discuss military targeting - whether something is, was or might be a
      military target."

      The official who privately discussed U.S. knowledge of the facility said it was
      operated recently by a small number of people connected to terrorists in Ansar
      al-Islam, an Arab organization with links to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terror
      network. The official would not say whether the facility was still in
      operation.

      U.S. intelligence agencies have no evidence that Saddam is linked to the
      operation, the official said.

      The revelations put the Bush White House in an uncomfortable position, with the
      president promising to almost every audience he addresses - to much applause -
      that his administration will "hunt the killers down one by one" and prevent
      America's enemies from acquiring weapons of mass destruction.

      "With the spread of chemical and biological and nuclear weapons, along with
      ballistic missile technology, freedom's enemies could attain catastrophic
      power. And there's no doubt that they would use that power to attack us and to
      attack the values we uphold," Bush told a group of conservative leaders from
      the International Democrat Union at a White House dinner in June.

      "We will oppose the new totalitarians with all our power. We will hunt them
      down one by one and bring them to justice."





      Copyright 2002 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be
      published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.



    • Gość: © ************** >>> I R A K <<<*************** IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 20.08.02, 16:21
      czy moze uda sie Rosji obalic Sadama ?
      • Gość: Mosze Re: ************** >>> I R A K < IP: 194.90.236.* 20.08.02, 17:34
        Gość portalu: © napisał(a):

        > czy moze uda sie Rosji obalic Sadama ?


        InsziAllaH !!!
        • Gość: Sala Re: ************** >>> I R A K < IP: *.toya.net.pl 22.08.02, 20:13
          Ciekawe kiedy bedzie atak......??????????????
          Bo wedlug mnie bedzie.........
          Prowokacyjnie to skomentowal The New York Times
          "Gdyby Bush tego teraz nie zrobil to, to....to....okazalby sie najwiekszym
          mieczakiem od czasow, od czasow, no wlasnie....od czasow swojego ojca".
          Co na debce?
          • korporacja Re: ************** >>> I R A K < 22.08.02, 20:20
            ABU NIDAL’S NEMESIS
            DEBKAfile Exclusive Report - II
            Serving Americans, al Qaeda et al.
            20 August: After 12 years of obscurity in Libya, Abu Nidal surfaced in late
            1997, taking up residence in Cairo with a small band of trusted partisans.
            What was Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak thinking of when he opened the door
            to this notorious purveyor of death? Thereby hangs an extraordinary tale,
            which DEBKAfile reveals here for the first time.
            Faced with virulent threats from extremist Islamic terror groups, Egyptian
            political and security leaders persuaded their opposite numbers in Washington
            that groups like Osama Bin Laden’s al Qaeda and Dr. Ayman al Zuwahri’s
            Egyptian Jihad Islami could only be penetrated and fought by terrorists of the
            same ilk. Therefore, they proposed hiring arch terrorist Abu Nidal to
            extinguish the two rising fundamentalist menaces. DEBKAfile’sWashington
            sources recall that the Clinton administration agreed to go along with the
            project - albeit passively - after some agonizing in the National Security
            Council headed by Samuel Berger over the morality of hiring a wanted terrorist
            to fight Bin Laden.
            For two years, Egyptian intelligence employed Abu Nidal and his organization
            to track down, penetrate and destroy al Qaeda and Jihad Islami cells in Yemen,
            Sudan, Albania, Kosovo and Egypt. Washington asserted control from afar.
            Our sources report that in 1998, Abu Nidal’s men were among the American and
            Egyptian special forces purging bases in Tirana and other Albanian towns of al
            Qaeda units, to prepare the ground for NATO landings in Kosovo. There were
            also unconfirmed claims in Middle East circles that his men had turned up also
            in Chechnya.
            The Americans and Egyptians put a stop to the Abu Nidal project in mid-2000
            after picking up signs that he was at his old tricks of peddling information
            on his own client to the opposition, grassing to al Qaeda on American and
            Egyptian secret tactics in their efforts to combat the Islamic extremists.
            Before he could be nabbed, the terrorist had slipped out of Cairo – heading
            first for Tehran, then Baghdad.
            Clinton called off the investigation against him before the CIA had a chance
            to establish exactly what secrets Abu Nidal had sold to Osama Bin Laden. This
            omission is viewed in retrospect by many counter-terror experts as an error
            that left the Bin Laden-Zuwahri duo free to go ahead with their plan to launch
            the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington.
            The Iranians wanted no truck with the runaway, having acquired their own
            master terrorist, the Lebanese Imad Mughniyeh. Saddam Hussein welcomed him
            with open arms, eager to exploit this source of information to find out
            exactly how much the Americans and Egyptians knew - or didn’t know - about al
            Qaeda. The Iraqi leader needed this information before deciding how far he
            could prudently play ball with Bin Laden’s network without laying himself open
            to American retaliation. Abu Nidal must have given Saddam what he wanted,
            because not long after he reached Baghdad, in July or August 2001, al Qaeda
            fighters began arriving in the pro-Iraqi fundamentalist Kurdish towns of Biyar
            and Tawil in the Shoman district of northern Iraq. Iraqi military instructors
            trained them there in the use of bombs and devices containing chemical and
            biological agents and possibly also in the handling of nuclear devices.
            DEBKAfile ’s intelligence sources say that at the end of their courses, the al
            Qaeda trainees left Iraq via Syria and Lebanon. Some made for Afghanistan and
            Pakistan, others for countries in East and Central Europe, or even the United
            States. Those camps have been taking in fresh intakes ever since.
            This week, American ABC and CNN TV stations reported the discovery of a
            chemical weapons program run by al Qaeda members in northern Iraq, plus the
            fact that Washington had been planning a covert operation against it, which
            the President called off late last week.
            According to DEBKAfile ;s intelligence and counter-terror sources, those
            facilities have been there since summer 2001and between 150 and 250 al Qaeda
            trainees have passed through them. This joint Iraq-al Qaeda WMD training
            project was first exposed by DEBKA-Net-Weekly Issue No. 54 on March 22, 2002.
            The Bush administration held off acting on the information partly to wait for
            its verification beyond doubt, but mostly for fear of letting the cat out of
            the bag on Abu Nidal’s role in the Bin Laden-Baghdad connection and how Saddam
            Hussein used that role to dig out Washington’s hapless involvement.
            But this constraint may have been superseded, providing the Iraqi ruler, who
            is perfectly aware of the approaching US threat to his regime, with a pressing
            need shut Abu Nidal’s mouth. He saw the US president under mounting pressure
            from critics of the coming offensive against Iraq to come up with proof of a
            direct link between Saddam and terrorists as justification for the offensive.
            Under this pressure, he feared Bush would jump in one of two ways: He could
            have sent a covert American force to secret northern Iraqi training bases to
            snatch al Qaeda trainees with their Iraqi WMD instructors red-handed.
            Alternatively, American special forces might have abducted Abu Nidal and
            brought him to America with his damning testimony against Saddam.
            Both options boded grave danger to the Iraqi ruler, but neither is any longer
            available to Washington.
            Tipped off to their potential as President Bush’s cassus belli against
            Baghdad, the al Qaeda and Iraqi birds have flown Biyar and Tawil, while Abu
            Nidal’s mouth was permanently shut five days ago by four bullets.
            By disposing of one terrorist, Saddam Hussein issued a graphic warning to
            another – Yasser Arafat – as to the fate awaiting collaborators with
            Washington - whether Abu Iyad in 1991 or Abu Nidal in 2002.
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