Herodot w V wieku pne wogle Zydow nie zauwazyl

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    • latarnick Re: Herodot w V wieku pne wogle Zydow nie zauwazy 09.05.08, 11:41
      brak odpowiedzi!.. czego sie boicie?
      • zettrzy Re: Herodot w V wieku pne wogle Zydow nie zauwazy 24.06.08, 18:44
        odpowiedzi? na jakie pytanie?
        nie tylko Herodot nie zauwazyl Zydow, Homer np. tez, wiec w czym
        problem?
        • redykolek Re: Herodot w V wieku pne wogle Zydow nie zauwazy 26.06.08, 17:35
          Przypuszczam, iż Latarnick chciał nam zasugerować, że powstanie
          narodu żydowskiego było skutkiem czyjegoś spisku. Tylko zapomniał
          wspomnieć czyjego. Jakichś starożytnych masonów? Albo może pierwsi
          chrześcijanie sfabrykowali wszystkie (pseudo)informacje na ich temat?
          • latarnick Re: Herodot w V wieku pne wogle Zydow nie zauwazy 04.07.08, 11:46
            naigrywasz sie z pierwszych chrzescijan, a przeciez przewazali wsrod
            nich Zydzi, ktorzy zamiast do Masady udali sie do Rzymu
            • redykolek Re: Herodot w V wieku pne wogle Zydow nie zauwazy 04.07.08, 17:45
              Jeśli z kogoś się naigrywam, to na pewno nie z pierwszych
              chrześcijan. A ludów w Imperium Perskim w czasach Herodota było całe
              mnóstwo. W tym wiele nie opisanych przez tego historyka.
        • scand Re: Herodot w V wieku pne wogle Zydow nie zauwazy 03.07.08, 13:07
          W sumie to ciekawe jakie narody zauważył Homer ?
          Greków napewno :), Trojan, chyba równiez Fenicjan (?) , czy kogoś
          jeszcze ?
          • latarnick Re: Herodot w V wieku pne wogle Zydow nie zauwazy 04.07.08, 11:41
            prosze nie zmieniac tematu, Homer to literatura, a Herodot to
            pierwszy powazny historyk... tak powazny ze nawet zauwazyl u boku
            floty Fenicjan Syryjczykow z Palestyny uzbrojonych w oszczepy
            • zettrzy Re: Herodot w V wieku pne wogle Zydow nie zauwazy 12.07.08, 16:10
              Homer to literatura, a Herodot to
              > pierwszy powazny historyk... tak

              no pacz, a zawodowi historycy uwazaja jednego i drugiego za
              literatow, ktorych dziela stanowia nieswiadomy dokument ich czasow

              nieswiadomy, bo obaj panowie mieli na celu przekazanie takiej czy
              innej wersji zdarzen, podczas gdy tak naprawde my odczytujemy z ich
              dziel zupelnie co innego, i wcale nie uwazamy ze obaj przedstawiali
              twarde zyciowe fakty; natomiast, zyjac i piszac w swoich czasach,
              nieswiadomie zostawili nam autentyczny obraz, ze sie tak wyraze,
              krajobrazu duchowego owych epok
              • latarnick Re: Herodot w V wieku pne wogle Zydow nie zauwazy 13.07.08, 04:56
                Herodot to bardziej rzetelny i budzacy zaufanie historyk niz ci
                wspolczesni nam historycy, ktorzy do tej pory nie uporali sie z II
                Wojna Swiatowa, nie mowiac juz o "obaleniu" t.zw. komunizmu
                • zettrzy Re: Herodot w V wieku pne wogle Zydow nie zauwazy 15.07.08, 02:26
                  latarnick napisał:

                  > Herodot to bardziej rzetelny i budzacy zaufanie historyk

                  no to czemu sie go kwalifikuje jako "antropologa", "etnografa", etc?
                  Herodot nie byl historykiem w takim sensie w jakim byl historykiem
                  Tukidydes albo Ksenofont, wiec nie ma sie co spierac ze czarne to
                  biale a gora lezy na dole

                  dlaczego zas o czyms nie napisal - kto go wie, moze napisal ale
                  fragment sie nie zachowal?

                  zreszta o Chinczykach tez nie pisal, a przeciez byli i mieli sie nie
                  najgorzej
                  • absztyfikant Re: Herodot w V wieku pne wogle Zydow nie zauwazy 09.09.08, 16:30
                    Jozef Flawiusz zauwazyl:P
                    • latarnick Re: Herodot w V wieku pne wogle Zydow nie zauwazy 13.11.08, 08:35
                      Jozef Flawiusz zauwazyl kaplana egipskiego Manetho, a ten zauwazyl
                      exodus tredowatych z Egiptu pod przywodctwem jednego faceta okolo
                      tego czasu kiedy Herodot podrozowal po Egipcie
                      one-faith-of-god.org/new_testament/apocrypha/josephus_apion_1/josephus_apion_1_012
                      0.htm
                      • latarnick o tu sie zaczyna opowiesc kaplana Manetho 13.11.08, 08:41
                        wg Jozefa F (oryginal nie przetrwal do naszych czasow)

                        "The people of the Jews being leprous and scabby, and subject to
                        certain other kinds of distempers, in the days of Bocchoris, king of
                        Egypt, they fled to the temples, and got their food there by
                        begging: and as the numbers were very great that were fallen under
                        these diseases, there arose a scarcity in Egypt...

                        one-faith-of-god.org/new_testament/apocrypha/josephus_apion_1/josephus_apion_1_013
                        0.htm

    • sigrid.storrada Re: Herodot w V wieku pne wogle Zydow nie zauwazy 13.10.08, 19:19
      To dość proste; Herodot opisał tylko te "narody", z którymi Grecy mieli wiele
      kontaktów. Z Żydami nie wiele kontaktów nie mieli, więc...
    • latarnick Exodus wg kaplana Manetho - za Jozefem Flawiuszem 19.08.09, 11:26
      Wg egipskiego kaplana Manetho EXODUS mial miejsce w czasach
      Herodota. Opis Manetho wyprowadzenia Zydow z Egiptu przez Mojzesza i
      zalozenia Jerozolimy przetrwal do naszych czasow jedynie w dziele
      Jozefa Flawiusza (angielski tytul: "Against Apion"):

      "The people of the Jews being leprous and scabby, and subject to
      certain other kinds of distempers, in the days of Bocchoris, king of
      Egypt, they fled to the temples, and got their food there by
      begging: and as the numbers were very great that were fallen under
      these diseases, there arose a scarcity in Egypt. Hereupon Bocchoris,
      the king of Egypt, sent some to consult the oracle of [Jupiter]
      Hammon about his scarcity. The god's answer was this, that he must
      purge his temples of impure and impious men, by expelling them out
      of those temples into desert places; but as to the scabby and
      leprous people, he must drown them, and purge his temples, the sun
      having an indignation at these men being suffered to live; and by
      this means the land will bring forth its fruits. Upon Bocchoris's
      having received these oracles, he called for their priests, and the
      attendants upon their altars, and ordered them to make a collection
      of the impure people, and to deliver them to the soldiers, to carry
      them away into the desert; but to take the leprous people, and wrap
      them in sheets of lead, and let them down into the sea. Hereupon the
      scabby and leprous people were drowned, and the rest were gotten
      together, and sent into desert places, in order to be exposed to
      destruction. In this case they assembled themselves together, and
      took counsel what they should do, and determined that, as the night
      was coming on, they should kindle fires and lamps, and keep watch;
      that they also should fast the next night, and propitiate the gods,
      in order to obtain deliverance from them. That on the next day there
      was one Moses, who advised them that they should venture upon a
      journey, and go along one road till they should come to places fit
      for habitation: that he charged them to have no kind regards for any
      man, nor give good counsel to any, but always to advise them for the
      worst; and to overturn all those temples and altars of the gods they
      should meet with: that the rest commended what he had said with one
      consent, and did what they had resolved on, and so traveled over the
      desert. But that the difficulties of the journey being over, they
      came to a country inhabited, and that there they abused the men, and
      plundered and burnt their temples; and then came into that land
      which is called Judea, and there they built a city, and dwelt
      therein, and that their city was named Hierosyla, from this their
      robbing of the temples; but that still, upon the success they had
      afterwards, they in time changed its denomination, that it might not
      be a reproach to them, and called the city Hierosolyma, and
      themselves Hierosolymites."

      http://thriceholy.net/Texts/Apion.html






      • latarnick prosze dyskutowac ze mna 28.08.09, 14:27
        trzeba przetlumaczyc na polski czy co?

        Upon Bocchoris's
        having received these oracles, he called for their priests, and the
        attendants upon their altars, and ordered them to make a collection
        of the impure people, and to deliver them to the soldiers, to carry
        them away into the desert; but to take the leprous people, and wrap
        them in sheets of lead, and let them down into the sea. Hereupon the
        scabby and leprous people were drowned, and the rest were gotten
        together, and sent into desert places, in order to be exposed to
        destruction. In this case they assembled themselves together, and
        took counsel what they should do, and determined that, as the night
        was coming on, they should kindle fires and lamps, and keep watch;
        that they also should fast the next night, and propitiate the gods,
        in order to obtain deliverance from them. That on the next day there
        was one Moses, who advised them that they should venture upon a
        journey, and go along one road till they should come to places fit
        for habitation
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