Gość: marek75 Re: audi to... IP: *.bialystok.pl / 10.0.1.* 26.12.02, 18:25 cze to taka maszyna z 4 kolkami z boku i 4 kolkami z przodu - calkiem dobra niemiecka maszyna Link Zgłoś
Gość: Marek Re: audi to... IP: *.atlanta.ga.us 26.12.02, 18:28 Gość portalu: marek75 napisał(a): > calkiem dobra niemiecka maszyna Oj, tu juz weszlismy na sliski temat... O jakosci Audi w ostatnim czasie slyszalem wiele zlego, o ile pamietam A6 zostalo wybrane na najbardziej zawodny samochod luksusowy. Do tego Audi TT mialo zwyczaj odlatywania przy wiekszych predkosciach. Link Zgłoś
Gość: 130rapid Re: audi to... IP: *.visp.energis.pl 26.12.02, 18:50 Po łacinie "słuchaj". ;-) Link Zgłoś
Gość: Piotr Re: audi to... IP: *.luminet.pl / 10.0.0.* 26.12.02, 19:11 Na zachodzie bardzo prestizowa marka, symbol luksusu i zamoznosci a u nas synonim dresu i przestepczej dzialalnosci (niestety). Link Zgłoś
Gość: Joasia Re: audi to... IP: *.dip.t-dialin.net 26.12.02, 20:22 Gość portalu: Piotr napisał(a): > Na zachodzie bardzo prestizowa marka, symbol luksusu i zamoznosci Tym to chcialo by Audi byc ale prestizowe marki to nadal BMW, Mercedes i Porsche a Audi to nic tylko "taki lepszy VW" Link Zgłoś
Gość: jr Re: audi to... IP: *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 26.12.02, 20:10 August Horch (1868 - 1951) founded A Horch & Cie in Germany on 14 November, 1899. They started in Cologne, before moving to Saxony and then Zwickau. Their first car (with an engine that gave less than 5hp1) was produced in 1901, and shares in the company were issued in 1902. However by 1909, Horch was at odds with the shareholders, and by 1910 he left and (after losing the legal rights to his company name) set up Audiwerk as a separate company. Horch is German for 'hark', so he chose the Latin word Audi, which has a similar meaning. Horch (the company) meanwhile was taken over by Dr Moritz Strauss, who signed Paul Daimler as a designer, and set about making their eight-cylinder engines synonymous with reliability and luxury. In 1911, Herr Horch won the International Alpine Run in an Audi. This was a highly prestigious racing event. A full Audi team was entered in 1912, 1913 and 1914 and won on every occasion. In 1921, Audi produced the first German left- hand drive production car, and in 1923 they introduced four-wheel hydraulic braking. Horst himself designed their torpedo-like bodywork, which increased top speeds markedly. JS Rasmussen - who also owned DKW cars3 - acquired a majority holding of the Audi company in August 1928, and began producing DKW cars in their plant. Effectively, DKW had taken over Audi. Rasmussen decreed that Audi's design ethos should change to concentrate on small, light cars and that their first design should be ready in six weeks; remarkably, it was. This design introduced front-wheel drive in 1931 - it would be the 1970s before this became standard in other marques - and was one of the most successful German cars of the period, selling 250,000 units. This left DKW free to concentrate on motorbikes, becoming the leading global brand by 1928. Elsewhere in the German automobile world, Wanderer sold its motorbikes arm to NSU4 in 1929 (in order to concentrate on its faltering car business) and signed Ferdinand Porsche's design consultancy. NSU only re-enter this story much later, but Porsche and Wanderer would soon become very important to Audi. The Depression hit Germany particularly hard, and many firms found themselves struggling. In 1932, Audi, Horch, Wanderer and DKW combined to form the Auto Union (AU). They adopted four rings as their logo, one for each of the founder companies. All four companies were based in Saxony, and together they could cover the whole motor-vehicle market from motorbikes to luxury cars. Audi concentrated on the sports side, Horch on producing luxury vehicles, Wanderer (whose auto division had been bought in a hostile take over) on small to medium cars, and DKW on small cars. DKW was the main brand, producing around 80% of the conglomerate's cars, and only narrowly being beaten by VW (Volkswagen) to producing Hitler's 'people's car'. From 1940 onwards, the company switched exclusively to the production of military vehicles. Auto Union, along with many other German industrial companies, took advantage of the German government's policy of using prisoners as slave labour. These slave labourers were worked to death. On 17 August, 1948, with its assets (including the hidden cars and its factories) seized without compensation and dismantled by the Soviet occupying authorities as war reparations, Auto Union AG was deleted from the commercial register. AKW and Audi later had their works managers executed by the Russians. Barely a year later, on 3 September, 1949, Auto Union GmbH was established by former directors of the old company, using aid from the Bavarian government and the Marshall Plan. The Audi and DKW brands were retained, but Horch and Wanderer fell by the wayside. The new company was based in Ingolstadt (in West Germany). Going back to the DKW designs, production of vans and motorbikes recommenced. By 1950, and for the next 11 years, AU was outsourcing road-car production to Rhein-metall-Borsig AG in Dusseldorf. The DKW Meisterklasse F89P was their first post-war passenger car. At the instigation of leading entrepreneur Friedrich Karl Flick, Daimler-Benz AG acquired the majority of shares in Auto Union GmbH on 24 April, 1958. They subsequently purchased the remaining shares. From this date until the end of 1965, Auto Union was a subsidiary of the Stuttgart-based Daimler Group. Once again at the instigation of leading industrialist Friedrich Karl Flick, Volkswagenwerk AG acquired the majority of shares (50.3%) in Auto Union GmbH in December 1964. The DKW F9 had been one of VWs biggest post-war competitors. The Ingolstadt-based company became a fully owned VW subsidiary from the end of 1966. It was only at this point that their dogged insistence on clunky old 2- stroke engine technology (a hangover from the DKW motorbike days) was abandoned, on the insistence of VW, in favour of a more efficient design. In 1965, a car was released under the Audi name, using an engine developed under Daimler. In 1968, the Audi 100 was launched. This car, and subsequent developments of it, became a major success and was largely responsible for the survival of the Audi name. Up until this point, spare capacity at the Audi plant had been taken up by the production of VW Beetles; now, Audi were working flat out just to keep up with demand for their own-brand product. The DKW name was slowly dropped. In March 1969, NSU Motorenwerke AG (remember them?), which had just been taken over by VW, and the Ingolstadt-based Auto Union GmbH merged to form Audi NSU Auto Union AG, which had its head office in Neckarsulm. This remained a subsidiary of VW, but the Audi name was being used as part of the company title for the first time since 1932, 37 years previously. NSU had built the lowest- ever-drag motorbike (capable of 400km/hour on a 100cc engine) and was once the world's largest motorbike manufacturer. They had also developed the rotary piston engine in 1959. In 1971, the first advert to feature the slogan 'Vorsprung durch Technik' - 'The Technological Edge' - appeared. This was to advertise the 1972 Audi 80, which became Audi's biggest hit to date. Its engine was adopted wholesale by the VW group. By now, five-cylinder engines had been developed for use across the Audi range, offering a compromise between efficiency and power. 1974 saw the release of the Audi 50, a return to the small-car market and progenitor of the lower-spec VW Polo. In 1980 the Audi Quattro was launched. This was the first four-wheel drive (4- WD) system for use in a high-performance car; previously, 4-WD had been used in commercial vehicles and off-roaders only. In 1981, the Quattro won three times. In 1982 it took the Constructors title and second place in the Drivers. Hannu Mikkola reversed that in 1983 by taking the Drivers title in a Quattro but being runner-up in the Constructors championship. In 1984, the Audi Quattro and Stig Blomqvist won World Rally Constructors and Drivers Championships. With effect from 1 January, 1985, Audi NSU Auto Union AG was renamed AUDI AG. At the same time the company moved its head office from Neckarsulm to Ingolstadt. It remained part of the VW-Audi Group, but the Auto Union name disappeared forever. Link Zgłoś
Gość: lesio Re: audi to... IP: *.luminet.pl / 10.0.0.* 27.12.02, 15:02 Gość portalu: jr napisał(a): ) August Horch (1868 - 1951) founded A Horch & Cie in Germany on 14 November, ) 1899. They started in Cologne, before moving to Saxony and then Zwickau. Their ) first car (with an engine that gave less than 5hp1) was produced in 1901, and ) shares in the company were issued in 1902. However by 1909, Horch was at odds ) with the shareholders, and by 1910 he left and (after losing the legal rights ) to his company name) set up Audiwerk as a separate company. Horch is German ) for 'hark', so he chose the Latin word Audi, which has a similar meaning. ) ) Horch (the company) meanwhile was taken over by Dr Moritz Strauss, who signed ) Paul Daimler as a designer, and set about making their eight-cylinder engines ) synonymous with reliability and luxury. ) ) In 1911, Herr Horch won the International Alpine Run in an Audi. This was a ) highly prestigious racing event. A full Audi team was entered in 1912, 1913 and ) ) 1914 and won on every occasion. In 1921, Audi produced the first German left- ) hand drive production car, and in 1923 they introduced four-wheel hydraulic ) braking. Horst himself designed their torpedo-like bodywork, which increased ) top speeds markedly. ) ) JS Rasmussen - who also owned DKW cars3 - acquired a majority holding of the ) Audi company in August 1928, and began producing DKW cars in their plant. ) Effectively, DKW had taken over Audi. Rasmussen decreed that Audi's design ) ethos should change to concentrate on small, light cars and that their first ) design should be ready in six weeks; remarkably, it was. This design introduced ) ) front-wheel drive in 1931 - it would be the 1970s before this became standard ) in other marques - and was one of the most successful German cars of the ) period, selling 250,000 units. ) ) This left DKW free to concentrate on motorbikes, becoming the leading global ) brand by 1928. ) ) Elsewhere in the German automobile world, Wanderer sold its motorbikes arm to ) NSU4 in 1929 (in order to concentrate on its faltering car business) and signed ) ) Ferdinand Porsche's design consultancy. NSU only re-enter this story much ) later, but Porsche and Wanderer would soon become very important to Audi. ) ) The Depression hit Germany particularly hard, and many firms found themselves ) struggling. In 1932, Audi, Horch, Wanderer and DKW combined to form the Auto ) Union (AU). They adopted four rings as their logo, one for each of the founder ) companies. All four companies were based in Saxony, and together they could ) cover the whole motor-vehicle market from motorbikes to luxury cars. Audi ) concentrated on the sports side, Horch on producing luxury vehicles, Wanderer ) (whose auto division had been bought in a hostile take over) on small to medium ) ) cars, and DKW on small cars. DKW was the main brand, producing around 80% of ) the conglomerate's cars, and only narrowly being beaten by VW (Volkswagen) to ) producing Hitler's 'people's car'. ) ) From 1940 onwards, the company switched exclusively to the production of ) military vehicles. Auto Union, along with many other German industrial ) companies, took advantage of the German government's policy of using prisoners ) as slave labour. These slave labourers were worked to death. On 17 August, ) 1948, with its assets (including the hidden cars and its factories) seized ) without compensation and dismantled by the Soviet occupying authorities as war ) reparations, Auto Union AG was deleted from the commercial register. AKW and ) Audi later had their works managers executed by the Russians. ) ) Barely a year later, on 3 September, 1949, Auto Union GmbH was established by ) former directors of the old company, using aid from the Bavarian government and ) ) the Marshall Plan. The Audi and DKW brands were retained, but Horch and ) Wanderer fell by the wayside. The new company was based in Ingolstadt (in West ) Germany). Going back to the DKW designs, production of vans and motorbikes ) recommenced. By 1950, and for the next 11 years, AU was outsourcing road-car ) production to Rhein-metall-Borsig AG in Dusseldorf. The DKW Meisterklasse F89P ) was their first post-war passenger car. ) ) At the instigation of leading entrepreneur Friedrich Karl Flick, Daimler- Benz ) AG acquired the majority of shares in Auto Union GmbH on 24 April, 1958. They ) subsequently purchased the remaining shares. From this date until the end of ) 1965, Auto Union was a subsidiary of the Stuttgart-based Daimler Group. ) ) Once again at the instigation of leading industrialist Friedrich Karl Flick, ) Volkswagenwerk AG acquired the majority of shares (50.3%) in Auto Union GmbH in ) ) December 1964. The DKW F9 had been one of VWs biggest post-war competitors. The ) ) Ingolstadt-based company became a fully owned VW subsidiary from the end of ) 1966. It was only at this point that their dogged insistence on clunky old 2- ) stroke engine technology (a hangover from the DKW motorbike days) was ) abandoned, on the insistence of VW, in favour of a more efficient design. ) ) In 1965, a car was released under the Audi name, using an engine developed ) under Daimler. In 1968, the Audi 100 was launched. This car, and subsequent ) developments of it, became a major success and was largely responsible for the ) survival of the Audi name. Up until this point, spare capacity at the Audi ) plant had been taken up by the production of VW Beetles; now, Audi were working ) ) flat out just to keep up with demand for their own-brand product. The DKW name ) was slowly dropped. ) ) In March 1969, NSU Motorenwerke AG (remember them?), which had just been taken ) over by VW, and the Ingolstadt-based Auto Union GmbH merged to form Audi NSU ) Auto Union AG, which had its head office in Neckarsulm. This remained a ) subsidiary of VW, but the Audi name was being used as part of the company title ) ) for the first time since 1932, 37 years previously. NSU had built the lowest- ) ever-drag motorbike (capable of 400km/hour on a 100cc engine) and was once the ) world's largest motorbike manufacturer. They had also developed the rotary ) piston engine in 1959. ) ) In 1971, the first advert to feature the slogan 'Vorsprung durch Technik' - ) 'The Technological Edge' - appeared. This was to advertise the 1972 Audi 80, ) which became Audi's biggest hit to date. Its engine was adopted wholesale by ) the VW group. By now, five-cylinder engines had been developed for use across ) the Audi range, offering a compromise between efficiency and power. ) ) 1974 saw the release of the Audi 50, a return to the small-car market and ) progenitor of the lower-spec VW Polo. ) ) In 1980 the Audi Quattro was launched. This was the first four-wheel drive (4- ) WD) system for use in a high-performance car; previously, 4-WD had been used in ) ) commercial vehicles and off-roaders only. In 1981, the Quattro won three times. ) ) In 1982 it took the Constructors title and second place in the Drivers. Hannu ) Mikkola reversed that in 1983 by taking the Drivers title in a Quattro but ) being runner-up in the Constructors championship. ) ) In 1984, the Audi Quattro and Stig Blomqvist won World Rally Constructors and ) Drivers Championships. ) ) With effect from 1 January, 1985, Audi NSU Auto Union AG was renamed AUDI AG. ) At the same time the company moved its head office from Neckarsulm to ) Ingolstadt. It remained part of the VW-Audi Group, but the Auto Union name ) disappeared forever. Co u diabła chcesz jr przez to powiedzieć? Link Zgłoś
Gość: jr Re: audi to... IP: *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 27.12.02, 21:00 > > Co u diabła chcesz jr przez to powiedzieć? A co u diabla chcialbys abym powiedzial na watek zatytulowany: "audi to..." Wydawalo mi sie ze zarys historyczny tejze firmy jest jak najbardziej na miescu. Czy uwazasz ze napisanie ze Audi jest samochodem prestizowym lub nim nie jest albo ze jest to 'lepszy VW' jest bardziej konstrukcyjne? A moze sam bys sie czyms popisal i napisal cos ciekawego, zapraszam. Link Zgłoś
Gość: jr Re: audi to... IP: *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 27.12.02, 21:08 Gość portalu: jr napisał(a): Przepraszam, mialo byc konstruktywne a nie konstrukcyjne. Link Zgłoś
Gość: Janek Re: audi to... IP: *.dip.t-dialin.net 26.12.02, 22:46 Dla Audi fanow. 1.Planowane inwestycje w latach 2002-2007 11,4 mld.euro (80 % w RFN) 2.Siostra Lamborgini sprzedala w tym roku juz 430 samochodow. 3.Udzial Audi A8 w grupie sam.S-Klasse wzrosnie w RFN z 16 na 21 % a MB spadnie z 53 % do 37%. 4.Samochody,ktore by najchetniej Niemcy mieli,to wprawdzie dalej MB - 18%,VW - 15%,ale potem BMW,AUDI,Opel i Porsche.( mimo ze wszyscy wiedza,ze japonce najbardziej niezawodne) 4.Rekordowy rok 2001 ze sprzedanymi 725.000 samochodami i zyskiem 1,322mld.euro ma zostac w 2002 przekroczony. 5.Udzial Audi w ogolnej sprzedazy sam.w RFN jest w 2002 najwyzszy od 20 lat i wynosi 7,4 %. 6.W czasie styczen-pazdziernik Audi sprzedalo w USA 63 658 sam.tyle samo co w rekordowym 2001 roku a w listopadzie sprzedaz wzrosla o ponad 14 %. AUDI - nieduza firma,a daje sobie swietnie rady na dzisiejszym trudnym rynku samochodowym. Link Zgłoś
Gość: Michal Re: audi to...chcialoby dorownac Mesiowi IP: *.telia.com 27.12.02, 11:08 Joasiu! szwecja juz tak zbiedniala ,ze ludziom sie tez wydaje jak sie dochrapal Audi A- 6 to juz ma luxus.Na Merce ich tak juz nie stac jak dawniej,BMW jest duzo ale malo jest najnowszych najwiecej jest importowanych dwoletnich.Pzdr.Michal Link Zgłoś
greenblack Re: Audi to... 27.12.02, 11:39 + quattro(Torsen w większości modeli) + wnętrza o bardzo wysokiej jakości + nieliczne na rynku w pełni aluminiowe samochody - A2 i A8 + FSI technika z przyszłością, ale nie tak świetlaną, jak zakładano + Tiptronic i przede wszystkim Multitronic - automaty szybsze niż ręczne + DSG - prawdziwa rewolucja w skrzyniach biegów - chyba przyszłość - TDI - technika bez przyszłości - pseudoquattro dla ubogich(Haldex w A3, TT) - A3 i przede wszystkim A2 - rozmienianie się na drobne i kłopoty z jakością tych modeli - W12 - wymysł Piecha - dwa "posklejane" VR6 z Golfa+wałki wyrównoważające mające w założeniu stanowić konkurencję dla klasycznych V12 - deprecjonowanie marki przez Volkswagena - konkurencja ze strony Phaetona (można jeszcze ścierpieć) i zabranie Audi SUVa - Volkswagen Touareg - paradoks dziejów w firmie, która wynalazła quattro. Pozdrawiam Link Zgłoś
dreaded88 Nie biadaj tak - będzie i SUV 28.12.02, 16:52 greenblack napisał: > - deprecjonowanie marki przez Volkswagena - konkurencja ze strony Phaetona > (można jeszcze ścierpieć) i zabranie Audi SUVa - Volkswagen Touareg - paradoks > dziejów w firmie, która wynalazła quattro. Zdaje się że pod nazwą Magellan, koło 2005, brat bliźniak Touarega. Link Zgłoś
Gość: opoka Re: audi to... IP: *.pulawy.sdi.tpnet.pl 27.12.02, 13:29 przyjemna bryczka 2.0 avant PW Link Zgłoś