jak to jest z ta pokrzywa?

28.01.11, 14:38
dziewczyny, wiem ze niejedna z Was pila herbatke z pokrzywy w trakcie karmienia, i wydaje mi sie ze ktoras tez ja pila w ciazy.

na niektorych stronach znalazlam informacje ze nie nalezy pic tego wywaru w ciazy i podczas karmienia. w ciazy moze nawet doprowadzic do poronienia.

co wiecie na ten temat?

w tej ciazy jeden raz poczulam ochote na te herbatke i bardzo mi smakowala. wypilam ja wioczorem ... i w nocy sie obudzilam i nie moglam zasnac do rana, rzecz niespotykana u mnie, moze to miec zwiazek z herbatka czy to zwykly przypadek?

    • froobek Re: jak to jest z ta pokrzywa? 28.01.11, 15:44
      Wiem, że pokrzywa to najbardziej ciążowe z ciążowych ziół, szczerze mówiąc nie picie jej w ciąży uważam za lekko nierozsądne wink
      Potem wyciągnę książki i się powołam OK?
    • froobek Re: jak to jest z ta pokrzywa? 28.01.11, 15:59
      1. Susan S. Weed, Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year, Ash Tree Publishing, Woodstock, New York, 1986, strony 20-21
      Do picia przez całą ciążę, mnóstwo zalet, przede wszystkim obecność właściwie wszystkich witamin i minerałów.

      2. Aviva Jill Romm, The Natural Pregnancy Book. Herbs, Nutrition and Other Holistic Choices, Celestial Arts, Berkeley, Toronto 2003, strona 90
      Pregnancy herb par excellence. Wzmacnia nerki, zmniejsza ryzyko krwawienia przy porodzie, zapobiega anemii. Nalezy pic codziennie.

      3. Joel M. evans, Robin aronson, The Whole Pregnancy Handbook. an Obstetricians Guide to Integrating Conventional and Alternative Medicine Before, During and After Pregnancy, Gotham Books 2005, w wielu miejscach
      Pomaga utrzymać równowagę w gospodarce płynami, zapobiega opuchliznom.
      Uwaga, na stronie 180 następująca informacja: w zasadzie ciężarne powinny unikać moczopędnych środków, ale pokrzywa jest tak łagodna, że może być stosowana.

      4. Jestem przekonana, ze pokrzywę zaleca tez Preeti Agrawal, tylko nie mam teraz jej książki.

      5. Po piąte zapytać babcię smile
      • terpuka Re: jak to jest z ta pokrzywa? 28.01.11, 16:37
        froobek dzięki za info smile
        kupiłam pokrzywę 1,5 rocznej córce, bo rumianek jej się znudził a nie chce jej dawać tych rozpuszczalnych herbatek dla dzieci
        ale widzę, że chyba będę jej podpijać bo jestem w 5 mcu ciąży smile
        • andalu Re: jak to jest z ta pokrzywa? 28.01.11, 17:44
          dzieki froobek smile

          no wlasnie tak mi sie wydawalo ze powinna byc godna polecenia, ale czemu w takim razie strasza na niektorych stronach ze moze wywolac poronienie?
        • froobek Re: jak to jest z ta pokrzywa? 28.01.11, 18:18
          Akurat wstrzymałabym się z dawaniem dziecku w tym wieku pokrzywy ze względu na działanie moczopędne. Córeczka nie moczy Ci przez to częściej ubrania? Każda wpadka frustruje dziecko...
    • agnieszka_z-d Re: jak to jest z ta pokrzywa? 29.01.11, 10:43
      Pij pokrzywę z cytrynę, a unikniesz suplementacji żelazna w ciąży lub przynajmniej znacznie ją opóźnisz. W pierwszej ciąży nie piłam i brałam żelazo już chyba w 5 miesiącu.
      Teraz piłam pokrzywę z cytrynką sztuk dwie codziennie i suplementować żelazo musiałam dopiero od 8 miesiąca.
    • molly_bloom Re: jak to jest z ta pokrzywa? 29.01.11, 12:04
      ja piję w ciąży i karmiąc, i Młody też dostaje
      mam taką mieszankę: pokrzywa, rumianek, dzika róża, porzeczka, bławatek - dobrze robi na stany zapalne dróg moczowych, niedobory żelaza, brak odporności
      no i jest smaczna smile
      • aldakra Re: jak to jest z ta pokrzywa? 29.01.11, 13:23
        a wy gdzieś kupiłyście gotową mieszankę? mnie by bardziej coś z owocem pasowało do picia smile
        bo ja mam tylko z zielarskiego sklepu zwykłą pokrzywę....i tak średnio mi smakuje, spróbuję z cytryną.
        • molly_bloom Re: jak to jest z ta pokrzywa? 29.01.11, 18:24
          ja kupiłam w Produktach Benedyktyńskich
          czasem kupuję tam też oddzielnie różne zioła i suszone owoce i mieszam sama, ale akurat taka mieszanka jest gotowa
          nazywa się "Herbatka pokrzywowa"
          www.benedicite.pl/index.php?option=75&action=product_show&cat_id=10&product_id=28&mode=2
    • fizula Re: jak to jest z ta pokrzywa? 30.01.11, 00:51
      Tak sobie lubią postraszyć, to straszą.
      Faktem jest, że dawniej i jedzono pokrzywę jako warzywo normalnie i pito. Teraz się do tego wraca, bo odkrywa się jak wiele witamin i minerałów ma to zioło.
      Ja niemal w każdej ciąży piłam i jadam (surówka) pokrzywę. Podczas karmienia również.
    • eszkal Re: jak to jest z ta pokrzywa? 31.01.11, 15:00
      Piłam i w ciąży i przy KP. Teraz w kolejnej ciąży też planuję.
      Czytałam, że jeszcze bardziej niż herbatka polecany jest sok z młodych majowych pokrzyw. Poprzednio nie udało mi się zmobilizować ale może tej wiosny. smile
      • andalu Re: jak to jest z ta pokrzywa? 31.01.11, 16:42
        dzieki za odpowiedzi, tylko co kurcze powiecie na tego linka?

        www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id86.html
        zamieszczam fragment:

        However, it has come to my attention recently that there seems to be a new threat that has grown in our country, from a new source of diuretics which I was not fully aware of until now. It has come to my attention that there seems to be a large number of pregnant women who are using herbs which have diuretic properties during the course of their pregnancies. The herbs which I have become aware of so far are nettle, dandelion, alfalfa, bilberry, and celery. Some of these herbs are found in pregnancy teas, some in liver cleansers, some in iron preparations, and some are used for other reasons. Some women seem to be actually intentionally using these herbs for their diuretic properties--in an attempt to lessen the swelling (edema) that they may be experiencing in their ankles, or in an attempt to lower their rising blood pressures!

        There are some who would argue that the herbal diuretics have such a different action in their diuretic activity than prescription diuretics do that they aren't as harmful and harsh as prescription diuretics are, and that therefore they are ok to use during pregnancy.

        There are some who would argue that these herbs with diuretic properties also provide vitamins which are essential to the good health of the liver and kidneys and various functions of the pregnant body, and that therefore they are good to use in pregnancy.

        There are some who would argue that the benefits of the vitamins in these herbs outweigh the possible risks connected to the diuretic properties of these herbs.

        There are even some who would argue that a little bit of a diuretic action can't possibly harm the pregnant woman, and especially those who have some edema.

        I think that it is quite possible that at some level, herbal diuretics may be less harsh to the body generally than prescription diuretics are. But in some ways, I also don't understand this point. By definition, a diuretic is any substance (regardless of its source) which forces the kidneys to excrete more fluid than they ordinarily would want to excrete on their own. I can see that possibly an herbal diuretic might not cause the person to excrete some nutrients as prescription diuretics do. But my concern is that all diuretics, regardless of how user-friendly they might be, cause the kidneys to excrete more fluid out of the system than they really want to, which lowers the blood volume, which can compromise the health of the pregnancy, and which can trigger a host of complications.

        I have no doubt that these herbs are high in vitamins which are very beneficial to the pregnant body, and which could be very healthy for the liver or kidneys, or could be a good iron source for the blood. But that is not the problem. As long as they have the potential of causing the mother's blood volume to drop, they are potentially lethal to either the mother or baby or both, because a fall in the blood volume can cause a creeping BP and/or pre-eclampsia/HELLP and/or IUGR and/or premature labor and/or low birth weight and/or placental abruption and/or a host of other problems.

        What I am very dismayed to discover, however, is the strong assertion by some herbalists that surely a little bit of diuretic action by some herbs can't possibly harm a pregnant woman, and that it can't possibly be harmful for the mom to lose a little of that "extra fluid" that she's carrying around, especially for those mothers who might be a little uncomfortable due to some swelling in her ankles or legs, or those with blood pressures that are creeping up. It is clear to me that those who believe this assertion don't understand what the pregnant body is trying to do, regarding its blood volume, in order to remain healthy. A pregnant woman who is experiencing edema does not have any extra fluid to lose. If she has physiological edema, it's a sign of good health, and she will need that extra fluid for labor. If she has pathological edema, it's a sign that her blood volume is already too low and heading for pre-eclampsia, so lowering it even more with any kind of diuretic could be literally life-threatening.

        It is vitally important for everyone who cares for pregnant women, or who creates supplements or teas for pregnant women, or who sells any form of herbs to pregnant women, to understand that one of the most important functions of the pregnant body is to increase the mother's blood volume by 40-60% over the course of her pregnancy--and more than that if there is more than one baby. That extra blood volume is vital for the healthy implantation and function of the placenta, and for the healthy function of the liver and kidneys, and for the adequate nutrition of the baby, the placenta, and the uterus.

        If the blood volume is too low for pregnancy, when it does not increase by 40-60%, due to inadequate nutrition, or due to the use of diuretics (herbal or prescription), the kidneys secrete a substance called renin. Renin is a substance that the kidneys secrete at any time that the blood volume is below normal, whether a person is pregnant or not. The action of renin on the body is to constrict the capillaries, for the purpose of sending most of the blood supply, inadequate as it is, to the vital internal organs, to preserve the life of the body. In pregnancy, this renin response by the kidneys to a lower-than-normal blood volume causes the mother's blood pressure to rise. Making the blood volume drop even more by giving the mother diuretics (either herbal or prescription), makes her kidneys secrete more renin, which makes her blood pressure rise even higher.

        To say that in another way--diuretics in any form can force the kidneys to lower the mother's blood volume by removing more fluid from her blood and losing it in the form of urine. A lower blood volume triggers the secretion of renin, which causes a rise in blood pressure. Thus, in normal pregnancy the use of diuretics from any source can cause a rise in blood pressure and the beginnings of the pre-eclampsia/HELLP process.

        Pathological swelling (edema) in pregnancy is also caused by an inadequate blood volume, and it is also made worse by the use of diuretics, regardless of the source of those diuretics. Much of the swelling/edema in pregnancy is normal, or physiological--caused by the hormones of pregnancy and the weight of the baby limiting the return of the blood flow from the legs to the heart. But when the mother is on an inadequate diet, or on diuretics, the loss of fluids from the blood can also cause pathological swelling/edema.
        • andalu Re: jak to jest z ta pokrzywa? 31.01.11, 16:45
          This pathological edema is caused by another response by the kidneys which is triggered when the blood volume is too low. This second response is an effort by the kidneys to conserve fluid by sending less fluid to be expelled with the urine. The kidneys send this conserved fluid back to the blood stream, in an attempt to increase the blood volume to more normal levels. If there is not enough osmotic pressure in the blood to hold this conserved fluid in the blood stream, osmotic pressure normally created by the presence of albumin and salt in the blood, this conserved fluid will not stay in the blood stream. Instead, it will move out of the capillaries into the tissues in the ankles, legs, fingers, and face. This is what causes the pathological swelling/edema in pregnancy. The use of diuretics to try to force the fluid out of the tissues, and to force the kidneys to lose this fluid in the urine, only makes the blood volume fall even more, which eventually causes even more swelling/edema as the kidneys try to compensate by conserving more fluid.

          It is vitally important for pregnant women to understand, and for those who care for them and supply them with herbs and supplements to understand, that there is a huge difference between the edema and hypertension of non-pregnant people with heart disease, kidney disease, and circulatory disease; and the edema and hypertension of normal, otherwise-healthy pregnant women. The edema and hypertension of the diseased body is caused by an abnormally expanded blood volume, and that condition must be treated with various therapies which help the body deal with that expanded blood volume--therapies which may include diuretics. The normal pregnant body that is developing pathological edema or hypertension is suffering from an abnormally contracted blood volume, and the only way to turn that condition around is to assist the body in its efforts to expand that blood volume. Using diuretics counteracts the pregnant body's efforts to increase the blood volume. Helping the pregnant mother to eat more calories, more salt, and more protein is the therapy which will help her body expand its blood volume to the level that is needed for sustaining a healthy pregnancy.

          One of the great tragedies of this situation is that many of the mothers using and seeing the effects of these diuretic herbs may have been working very hard to follow the Brewer Diet--a nutritional plan that they expected would keep their blood volume expanded, a nutritional plan that they expected to help them prevent the PIH, pathological edema, pre-eclampsia, HELLP, IUGR, premature labor, placental abruption, and/or low birth weight babies that can result from an abnormally contracted blood volume in pregnancy. They may have been also taking these herbs to help feed and sustain their livers, which is actually another goal of the Brewer diet and philosophy. Little did they know that by taking herbal diuretics they were actually undoing some of their diligent nutritional work with which they'd intended to keep their blood volume expanded and healthy.

          So I appeal to the herbalist community to take up the challenge of warning all pregnant women to take care to not use any herbs that have diuretic properties. I urge them to remove herbs such as nettles, dandelion, alfalfa, bilberry, and celery from their pregnancy teas and their pregnancy supplements. I plead with them to find other non-diuretic herbs with equally nutritious qualities, for their iron supplements. I appeal to them to post warnings on their websites, alerting pregnant women to the hazards of using various liver-cleanse or kidney-nurturing supplements if they contain dandelion, nettle, alfalfa, bilberry, or celery, or any other herb with diuretic properties. Let us all work together and assist each woman to have as healthy a pregnancy as possible, by helping each woman to grow as healthy a blood volume as possible.

          (Joy Jones, April 9, 2008)

          (pogrubienia sa ode mnie)
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