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    Where would u look for a job in Katowice?

    IP: *.adsl.inetia.pl 21.09.09, 18:32
    ... or in the area...

    Hi guys,

    Where should I look for a job in this lovely city????

    I do not want to teach (been there, did not like it :-).
    I am great with computers and sales (both trade and retail) have
    worked for few years in Poland and then few in UK (always had a
    contact with sales, marketing, negotitions, etc).
    I'd say I am quite fluent in english, have no problems communicating.
    Trouble is that I do not know which of the companies might
    look for an employee with excellent English (proud to say even my
    accent is really good:-) and again which of the ones that would,
    would be a good employers to work for. Your help in that matter is
    truly appreciated (even an idea - who deals with export or import,
    etc).
    At the moment I am responsible for customer
    relations and sales locally (this really means south of Poland - from
    Wroclaw to Cracow), with similar activities regarding our customers
    from east and south Europe (Ukraine, Czech Republic and other
    countries).
    Since February I am also responsible for purchasing and contacts with
    our suppliers from China and Germany. With every month I have more
    and more tasks and responsibilities but no raise in my wages :-( That
    is why I really would be interested in a new workplace! I wish to use
    as much English in my job as possible as I do not want to lose
    contact with "live" language.
    Would Cracow be a better place to look for such a job? (but I live in
    Katowice... :-(
    If you can not recommend a company can you recommend a professional
    job agency?

    Sorry for long post, hope you can give me some ideas!
    My gg no is: 2468760 - just in case :-)
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        • Gość: job seeker Re: Where would u look for a job in Katowice? IP: *.adsl.inetia.pl 21.09.09, 20:42
          Because everyone in Poland is looking for a job "in polish" in shops,
          banks, restaurants, trade companies, etc.... etc.... and me, well... I
          am in Poland but I would very much like to work in English speaking environment and for that I do not have an idea.
          To be honest writing my post in English was the first one (I thought...
          one can never know...)

          So... back to main subject - any ideas???? How 2 find such a job???
        • pepsi-cola Why ask why? 21.09.09, 21:05
          Gość portalu: WDR napisał(a):

          "Why don't you write (in) polish? You are polish,"

          W przypadku gdybys Ty szukal(a) pracy w jezyku angielskim
          zyczliwie podpowiem, ze "polish" w angielskim pisze sie
          duza litera. I po napisaniu popros kogos o sprawdzenie.
            • Gość: job seeker Does any one need an English speaking person... IP: *.adsl.inetia.pl 21.09.09, 21:33
              ... in this country???

              As much as I like all "English speaking" countries I will pass on
              moving to one of them (+ I have to be in Poland now - will let u know
              when it changes :)

              Regarding good salary - I am a reasonable man... as long as I can pay
              my bills, get my food, get my holidays from time 2 time I'm happy :)

              So, back to main question... where should I look, please... suggest
              somethin' or I'll die... food in my fridge is running short... winter
              is coming....

              Give me a name :-)

              Ps. Been to Addeco in Katowice...

              Hello, I am looking for a job (in English).
              All ladies went red.. and.. well that's it :-(
                • Gość: job seeker Let's talk cash... IP: *.adsl.inetia.pl 21.09.09, 23:36
                  Gość portalu: WDR napisał(a):

                  > I suggest to try within Customer Service structures in
                  International Paper in
                  > Cracow. There's fluent English required becasue your job is to work
                  close (via
                  > phone) with US (mostly) customers. However, as far as I know they
                  might have
                  > problems with too much people employed. Main disadvantage late
                  shift work (to
                  > fit US time-zones).


                  From your description it dose not sound as an "important" job or the
                  one with responsibilities... this means that I will not get better
                  money - but I will definitely have a look (even an interview does not
                  cost). Thanks!

                  Let me ask you guys different question (maybe there is no point in
                  looking in first place).

                  My current situation:

                  Luckily I do not work with a target above me (our product is way to
                  specific for that), but that is what I do:

                  - find new customers, convince them that product is The Best
                  - take care of existing customers
                  - make sure that people who are paying for product and the ones that
                  are suggesting the product (in their projects) are happy with us
                  - prepare offers
                  - travel (with small, shitty company car) from K-ce to Cracow, to
                  Wroclaw, Opole, etc.
                  - make sure all our clients from abroad have all the informations
                  they need and products on time (via e-mail or phone)
                  - translate all documents (from or to English)that company gets or
                  sends
                  - make sure our suppliers from Germany or Chine are not "f...ing up"
                  anything
                  - negotiate prices with suppliers
                  - negotiate prices wit customers
                  - check on late payments
                  - be on the (available) phone 24/7
                  - explain to your boss/owner that our suppliers in China don't employ
                  "engineers" in polish meaning of this word -> so it is not easy to
                  check on quality over the phone with the other side hardly speaking
                  English... and me just talking to them and sending new technical
                  diagrams will not really help (read: it is not my fault that they f.
                  up if I can not go there, even once in a while).

                  How much should I earn? (in a normal or good company that I am
                  currently looking for). I can do all that (and more with proper
                  retail experience from UK - but... I have this strange feeling at the
                  back of my head...that I am not a bit underpaid but A LOT!)

                  Please, how much (according to you) should be transferred to my
                  account every month (be realistic). By the way company is doing
                  great!!!
                  • Gość: WDR Re: Let's talk cash... IP: *.chello.pl 22.09.09, 00:45
                    Your experience looks really nice, but u this case your salary would depend
                    mostly on how large company you work for. On one hand, you're orchestra-man -
                    doing everything small company would need from salesman/procurement officer,
                    but... on the other hand, such small company usually can't afford to pay well.
                    Big company deales wit way more sophisticated purchasing/sales processes you
                    havent't probably experienced in small enterprise, which means that you're not
                    that much worth for it - so, don't expect innourmous salary. In my opinion,,
                    with your experienc, in middle-size company in Cracow you'd get circa 4-6 000PLN
                    taxable salary (not on manaerial possition).
                    • Gość: job seeker Re: Let's talk cash... IP: *.adsl.inetia.pl 22.09.09, 04:51
                      Gość portalu: WDR napisał(a):

                      > Your experience looks really nice, but u this case your salary
                      would depend
                      > mostly on how large company you work for. On one hand, you're
                      orchestra-man -
                      > doing everything small company would need from salesman/procurement
                      officer,
                      > but... on the other hand, such small company usually can't afford
                      to pay well.
                      > Big company deales wit way more sophisticated purchasing/sales
                      processes you
                      > havent't probably experienced in small enterprise, which means that
                      you're not
                      > that much worth for it - so, don't expect innourmous salary. In my
                      opinion,,
                      > with your experienc, in middle-size company in Cracow you'd get
                      circa 4-6 000PL

                      Ok, I do accept that and you're not far off.
                      Company (with few regional branches and factory) employs approx. 150
                      people. And you are right about buying/selling process it is not that sophisticated (but dues the job). On the other hand... "Big company
                      with more advanced purchasing/selling process" It is just a process
                      and a way of doing things... not a value of and employee in it
                      self... (created to help and improve quality of work) If "their"
                      people are using it, it means it can be learned :-)

                      Going back to experience.
                      I have an additional 5 years of experience in a similar company (as
                      regional manager) and additional 6 years, in a UK equivalent to one
                      of our DIY networks of shops "from Zero to Hero" :-) (from a sales
                      assistant to branch manager). Again I was paid to run to whole show -
                      purchasing, selling, displays, suppliers, customers, etc.

                      And, yes, looking at your propositions I am underpaid :-( This means
                      I need to keep looking... my new job "is out there..." :-)

                      Cheers!
          • Gość: ani_be_ani_me Re: Why ask why? IP: *.zone5.bethere.co.uk 21.09.09, 21:37
            Ale po co sie czepiac; autor watku tez troche bykow walnal przeciez.

            south Europe z malej, english z malej, can not osobno (to
            teoretycznie dopuszczalne ale w praktyce kto tak pisze?), zdanie
            zaczete od 'with every month' itd. ale czy to taki problem?

            Raz, ze bledy nie razace (jesli juz cos ma razic, to raczej polska
            konstrukcja wypowiedzi), a dwa ze on napisal post a nie podanie o
            prace.

            Sam chetnie bym sie dowiedzial jak to teraz wyglada, bo wlasnie w
            Katowicach i okolicach kiedys szukalem pracy gdzie chcialem
            wykorzystac moj angielski (z ta roznica ze po powrocie z USA i bylo
            to pare lat temu, przed wejsciem do Unii) i niestety kompletnie
            bezskutecznie.
            Az zal chwytal gdy odchodzilem z kwitkiem a zaraz pozniej slyszalem
            w mediach, ze brakuje ludzi z jezykami. Albo w banku panienke, ktora
            produkowala sie tak zalosnym angielskim, ze nie wiem czemu czy nie
            powinna miec zakazu rozmowy przez telefon.
            Oczywiscie kadry w tymze banku z usmiechem: "Nie, nie przyjmujemy
            ludzi bez doswiadczenia.. My juz mamy swoich specjalistow. Ale
            prosze zostawic CV".
            Jak tu nie wyc do ksiezyca? :)
            • Gość: job seeker Seems like a hard job :-) 2 find a job :-) IP: *.adsl.inetia.pl 21.09.09, 21:50
              gość portalu: ani_be_ani_me napisał(a):

              > Sam chetnie bym sie dowiedzial jak to teraz wyglada, bo wlasnie w
              > Katowicach i okolicach kiedys szukalem pracy gdzie chcialem
              > wykorzystac moj angielski (z ta roznica ze po powrocie z USA i bylo
              > to pare lat temu, przed wejsciem do Unii) i niestety kompletnie
              > bezskutecznie.
              > Az zal chwytal gdy odchodzilem z kwitkiem a zaraz pozniej slyszalem
              > w mediach, ze brakuje ludzi z jezykami. Albo w banku panienke,
              ktora
              > produkowala sie tak zalosnym angielskim, ze nie wiem czemu czy nie
              > powinna miec zakazu rozmowy przez telefon.

              > Jak tu nie wyc do ksiezyca? :)


              My point exactly... :-(

              I know I could go to any English school and they would be thrilled to
              hire me but as I do not have a proper education as an English teacher
              (no to mention I don't want to do it) I will not ask someone to pay
              me for teaching - it would not be fair.
            • pepsi-cola My suggestion for tomorrow 21.09.09, 21:56

              Absolutnie nie czepiam sie. Moja sugestia co do pisowni
              angielskiej byla zyczliwa.

              Kochani, slabo widze przyjecie do pracy w Polsce tylko
              na podstawie znajomosci jezyka. Znajomosc jezyka obcego
              to tylko temat do konwersacji miedzy pracodawca a potencjalnym
              pracownikiem. Nigdy nic z tego nie wynika.

              To Jobseeker: The best of luck, my friend. My suggestion
              for tomorrow: www.lotto.pl/

              Regards,
              p. cola
              • Gość: ani_be_ani_me Re: My suggestion for tomorrow IP: *.zone5.bethere.co.uk 21.09.09, 22:05
                > Absolutnie nie czepiam sie. Moja sugestia co do pisowni
                > angielskiej byla zyczliwa.

                Spoko. Nadinterpretacja. Sorki :-)

                > Kochani, slabo widze przyjecie do pracy w Polsce tylko
                > na podstawie znajomosci jezyka. Znajomosc jezyka obcego
                > to tylko temat do konwersacji miedzy pracodawca a potencjalnym
                > pracownikiem. Nigdy nic z tego nie wynika.

                Napisal jakie ma doswiadczenie...
                Nie takie nic, ale czy wystarczy?
                (nie znam odpowiedzi na to pytanie)

                tak czy owak powodzenia
              • Gość: job seeker Re: My suggestion for tomorrow IP: *.adsl.inetia.pl 21.09.09, 22:19
                pepsi-cola napisała:

                > Kochani, slabo widze przyjecie do pracy w Polsce tylko
                > na podstawie znajomosci jezyka. Znajomosc jezyka obcego
                > to tylko temat do konwersacji miedzy pracodawca a potencjalnym
                > pracownikiem. Nigdy nic z tego nie wynika.

                First of all if you would be kind enough as to read (carefully) my
                first post you would find that my ability to communicate in English is
                not The Only Thing I know or Can Do (I do not suppose you expect me to
                publish my full CV here??? card no with pin as well??? - no probs :-)
                I do have an experience (quite big I would say) but I can not find any
                ads about job like this... and well... I don't recognize name of
                companies... I thought you might suggest ("try here or there they are
                trading with China or UK or something").
                Secondly, I thought that writing in English might not be such a bad
                idea...(this part will be clear in few days :-)
                And as my last point... looking through some posts on this forum... at
                least I know for whom I do NOT want to work ;-)

                Anyway, thanks :-)

                Ps. If you are a head hunter: Looking for experienced sales person? Is
                your company expanding to UK? Or maybe you need someone to check on
                you suppliers in China and talk to your customers in USA... let me
                know (I might be the guy you are looking for) :-)
                gg no: 2468760
          • Gość: WDR Re: Why ask why? IP: *.chello.pl 21.09.09, 23:04
            Wow! Ale mi dogadałeś(-aś). Doskonale o tym wiem. Jak byś pracował(a) w "English
            enviroment", wiedział(a)byś, że nikt na takie rzeczy nie zwraca uwagi. Poza tym
            autor wątku też "english" w pierwszym poście napisał z małej litery i jakoś się
            nie czepiłeś(-aś).
            • Gość: job seeker Re: Why ask why? IP: *.adsl.inetia.pl 21.09.09, 23:17
              Guys, guys... "english or English"... seriously id does not matter!
              If you would only know how "they" write and talk you would be proud
              of your language knowledge :-) Trust me on this one!

              Gość portalu: WDR napisał(a):

              > Wow! Ale mi dogadałeś(-aś). Doskonale o tym wiem. Jak byś
              pracował(a) w "Englis
              > h
              > enviroment", wiedział(a)byś, że nikt na takie rzeczy nie zwraca
              uwagi.


              Exactly...
              Not to mention that when I check my e-mails nowadays (half from China
              half from other places), all in something that looks like English...
              I really star to consider myself as native speaker (check though
              google posts of British and Irish citizens trying to find a job in
              Poland - I'd say twice as many mistakes :-) + I don't think they will
              find anything (don't speak Polish and most of them are ex actors,
              witers, etc... with polish girlfriends).

              Well... 2morrow another day of searching (right after I get back from
              Wroclaw)...

              G. Night everyone!
      • Gość: ani_be_ani_me Re: Where would u look for a job in Katowice? IP: *.zone5.bethere.co.uk 21.09.09, 21:58
        Take S1, follow signs "Lotnisko-Pyrzowice". Once you get there-
        board an aircraft. Make sure you take your excellent English with
        you :)
        2 hours later you will have landed in the place were jobs are
        plentiful.

        Just kidding.

        In the first place - good times are over. Forget the world of
        available jobs' surpluse.
        Secondly - hey, did yoo really think someone would let you in
        without a valid ticket? :-)
        • Gość: job seeker Re: Where would u look for a job in Katowice? IP: *.adsl.inetia.pl 21.09.09, 22:24
          Gość portalu: ani_be_ani_me napisał(a):

          > In the first place - good times are over. Forget the world of
          > available jobs' surpluse.
          > Secondly - hey, did yoo really think someone would let you in
          > without a valid ticket? :-)

          Well I did not expected companies fighting over a chance of interview
          with me (and I still don't). I am not asking who is recruiting, where
          are vacancies, etc....

          I am only asking about the names of companies that would have a use
          for a person like me (do not worry about the rest - I can take care
          of it :-) but I need to know where to look first or how, as I wrote
          Addeco is not really this kind of agency....

          Don't tell me there is not a single company doing business in English
          or having English speaking customers/suppliers.

          And about this ticket... trust me I do not need a free ride :-)
        • pepsi-cola Catch-22 21.09.09, 22:25

          Szukanie pracy z jezykiem to "Catch-22". Powinno sie co
          najmniej jeden obcy znac dobrze aby zaczac szukac pracy.
          Takie sa powszechne wymagania. Jezeli sie nie zna zadnego
          to to nie ma sie szansy na rozmowie. Jezeli sie zna jest
          podobnie:)

          My deepest sympathy, Katowice is an awful place to live
          (environmentally). I thought nobody lives in Katowice.
          Apparently I was mistaken.
            • Gość: job seeker Re: Catch-22 IP: *.adsl.inetia.pl 21.09.09, 22:41
              pepsi-cola napisała:

              >
              > Just a thought: www.google.com and "International
              > Companies in Katowice".
              >
              > Good night
              > p.cola

              Let's put it this way... KFC is an international company... but I
              really do not wish to serve chicken wings (even in English) :-)

              But... I will give it a shot - why not? :-) THX.

              Let me know if you come up with anything else.
          • Gość: job seeker Re: Catch-22 IP: *.adsl.inetia.pl 21.09.09, 22:38
            pepsi-cola napisała:

            > My deepest sympathy, Katowice is an awful place to live
            > (environmentally). I thought nobody lives in Katowice.
            > Apparently I was mistaken.

            Oh yes, you were my fizzy friend :-). There is quite few of us and it
            is really not that bad... (since we are in Poland: of course it could
            be way better!!!).
            But seriously... we are lucky to have a proper motorway (A4 - it took
            me only 11h of driving to get to Snoghoj in Denmark few weeks ago -
            and I was not going over speed limits), it is quite close to
            Slovakia, Czech Republic, Germany (Austria and Italy are quite close
            to), airport is not to bad...

            Now I need to find a decent workplace and I'm settled :-)

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