Mitomani Don i Slawek zblaznili sie kolejny raz...

IP: *.vic.bigpond.net.au 13.01.02, 09:05
Don: "W watku masoneria [Kagan] jasno ukazal,ze nie ma pojecia co to jest!
Wiedzial, ze dzwoni ale nie wiedzial w ktorym kosciele.
Wniosek:blazen, nieuk, mitoman, oszust."

Kgan: zajrzyj Donie do ksiazki Graham'a Hancock'a “The Sign & the Seal”.
Tam jest na koncu biblografia, mozesz sobie wiec poszerzyc nieco wiedze...
Patrz tez moj post p.t. MASONI na tym watku!

Slawek R: Nie tylko w tym watku;wystepujac na forum pod nazwa "ijkel12"
staral sie udowodnic ze Zydzi Aszkenazyjscy pochodza z legendarnego krolestwa
Chazarow, co jest calkowita glupota. Na moje sprostowanie nie dal
odpowiedzi,czego i tak nie oczekiwalem.
K: Bo NIE szukales mej odpowiedzi, opartej na ksiazce Arthur'a Koestlera
(tego od "Ciemnosci w poludnie") p.t. The THIRTEENTH TRIBE (13te plemie).
I poczytaj chocby Encyclopaedia Britannica, bo krolestwo Chazarow jest
faktem historycznym, a NIE legenda...
Patrz tez moj post p.t. CHAZARZY na tym watku!
Kagan
p.s. polecam tez: mywebpage.netscape.com/rsintaus/Poland01.html
K.
    • Gość: Kagan MASONI IP: *.vic.bigpond.net.au 13.01.02, 09:08
      Graham Hancock “The Sign & the Seal” London: Arrow, 1997, pp. 166-7

      (166 Holy Ark and Holy Grail)

      (…) The favour that Bruce showed towards the Templars in Scotland, and the fact
      that many knights escaped arrest in England (because of a delay in implementing
      the papal bull there), made it possible for the order to go underground in
      British Isles - in other words to survive in a secret and hidden form rather
      than
      to be completely destroyed. For hundreds of years it has been rumoured that
      this
      secret survival took the form of Freemasonry - a view supported by a specific
      Masonic tradition that the oldest Scottish lodge (Kilwinning) was found by King
      Robert the Bruce after the battle of Bannockburn `for the reception of those
      Knights Templar who had fled France'. In the eighteenth century Andrew Ramsay,
      a
      prominent Scots Mason and historian, added credibility to tradition with a
      considerable body of work on the connections between Freemasonry and the
      Templars. And at around the same time Baron Carl von Hund, a leading German
      Mason, declared that 'Freemasonry originated in Knight Templary, that, in
      consequence, every Mason is a Templar.'

      That such forthright statements should have been made in eighteenth century
      (rather than in any earlier century) is not surprising: this was the period in
      which Freemasons finally' out of the closet' and began to talk about themselves
      and their history. Subsequently, as the new spirit of openness encouraged
      further
      research, it became clear that `Knight Templarism' was and always had been an
      important force within the Masonic system. This research, together with much
      material not previously uncovered, has recently been incorporated into a
      detailed
      and authoritative study, which itemises many ways in which Freemasonry was
      shaped
      and influenced by fugitive Templars.

      It is not my intention here to participate at all in what is undoubtedly a
      heated, convoluted and highly specialised debate. The point I wish to make is
      simply that the Masonic system did inherit many of the most central traditions
      of
      the Order of the…

      (A Secret and Never-Ending Quest 167)

      …Temple of Solomon, and that this inheritance was first passed on in the
      British
      Isles in the years 1307-14 by Templars who had survived papal persecution
      because
      of the specially favourable conditions then prevailing in Scotland.

      Nor, as I have already noted, was Scotland the only country in which the
      Templars
      were left unscathed. In Portugal they were tried but found to be free of guilt,
      and thus neither tortured nor imprisoned. Of course, as a good Catholic, the
      Portuguese monarch (Dennis I) could not afford to ignore papal instructions
      completely: accordingly lip service was paid to these instructions and the
      Templars were officially dissolved in 1312. Just six years later, however, they
      were reborn under a new name: the Militia of Jesus Christ (also known as the
      Knights of Christ or, more simply, as the Order of Christ).

      This transformation of one order into another enabled the Portuguese Templars
      not
      only to survive the fires of the Inquisition during the years 1307 to 1314 but
      also to emerge phoenix-like from the ashes in 13 18 - after which date they
      seem
      to have carried on with business very much as usual. All Templar properties and
      funds in Portugal were transferred intact to the Order of Christ, as were all
      personnel. Moreover, on 14 March 1319, the newly formed entity received the
      approval and confirmation of Pope John XXII (Clement meanwhile having died).

      In summary, therefore, despite the harshness of the suppression in France and
      elsewhere, the Portuguese Order of Christ, and British (and especially
      Scottish)
      Freemasonry, were the means by which Templar traditions were preserved and
      carried forward into the distant future - perhaps right up to modem times.
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    • Gość: Kagan CHAZARZY. IP: *.vic.bigpond.net.au 13.01.02, 09:11
      Glowne zrodlo: Arthur Koestler "The 13th Tribe" (13te plemie).
      London: Picador (Pan Books), 1977.

      `Antysemityzm’ – na ogol blednie rozumiany jako “wrogosc i nienawisc do Zydow”
      (Encyklopedia Powszechna PWN, 1959), jako ze oparty jest na blednym zalozeniu,
      ze
      Zydzi, i tylko Zydzi sa semitami (faktem jest, ze po pierwsze olbrzymia
      wiekszosc
      obecnie zyjacyh Zydow nie jest semickiego pokolenia, i po drugie, ze najwiecej
      semitow mozna spotkac obecnie wsrod Arabow i Abisynczykow). W PRL antysemityzm
      byl w niektorych okresach okreslany jako “nie tylko ruch zntyzydowski, lecz w
      niemniejszym stopniu – antywolnosciowy, antypostepowy, antydemokratyczny i
      antysocjalistyczny“ (Encyklopedia Powszechna PWN, 1959). Jednakze wedlug
      ksiazki
      Arthur’a Koestler’a The 13th Tribe (13te plemie): “jest faktem, ze olbrzymia
      wiekszosc Zydow, ktora przezyla Holocaust, jest pochodzenia
      wschodnioeuropejskiego, a wiec glownie chazarskiego (tureckiego). Oznacza to,
      ze
      ich przodkowie przybyli nie znad Jordanu, ale znad Wolgi, nie z Kanaanu, ale z
      Kaukazu, ktory jest uwazany za kolebke rasy aryjskiej; i ze genetycznie sa oni
      bardziej zblizeni do Hunow, Uigurow czy tez plemion wegierskich niz do potomkow
      Abrahama, Izaaka i Jakuba. Jesli to jest prawda, to
      termin “antysemityzm”nalezaloby uznac za pozbawiony jakiegokolwiek znaczenia”.

      `Aryjczyk’ – dawniej osoba poslugujaca sie jezykiem indoeuropejskim
      (indogermanskim). Do jezykow indoeuropejskich zalicza sie jezyki: indoiranskie
      (m. in. perski, afganski i hindi, a z wymarlych gl. sanskryt i jezyk awestyjski
      uzywany przez Zaratusztre), baltyckie, slowianskie, germanskie, romanskie i
      celtyckie tudziez jezyki albanski, grecki i ormianski. Hitlerowcy okreslali
      mianem aryjczyka osobe nalezaca do tzw. rasy szlachetnej, w odroznieniu od osob
      nalezacych do tzw. rasy zydowskiej. Por. Encyklopedia Powszechna PWN, 1959.

      `Rasizm - doktryna głosząca, że ludzie dzielą się na rasy nie tylko ze względu
      na
      cechy somatyczne (budowa ciała, kolor skóry, kształt czaszki), ale i
      psychiczne.
      Rasy są nierównej wartości, "wyższe" i "niższe". Mieszanie ras prowadzi do
      degeneracji ludzkości, upadku cywilizacji i kultur. Wedlug tego przekonania
      konieczna jest troska o czystość rasową i stosowanie segregacji rasowej’.
      (Onet:Wiem)

      `Syjonizm – ideologia i ruch zydowski o swiatowym zasiegu majace chrakter
      nacjonalistyczny … wywodzi sie z biblijnych koncepcji “narodu wybranego”
      i “powrotu do Syjonu”’.(Slownik wiedzy obywatelskiej, 1970)

      Na zakonczenie pozwole sobie przedstawic pare cytatow (w jezyku angielskim,
      wedlug oryginalu) z ksiazki Arthur’a Koestler’a The 13th Tribe (13te plemie),
      London 1977:
      `…the fact [is] that the large majority of surviving [the Holocaust] Jews in
      the world is of Eastern European – and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar [i.e.
      Arian or non-Semitic LK] origin. If so, this would mean that their ancestors
      came not from the Jordan, but from the Volga, not from Canaan but from the
      Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that
      genetically they are more than closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar
      tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Should this turn out to be
      the case, then the term “anti-Semitism: would become void of meaning…’ (s. 16)
      `To sum up, the Jews of our day have no cultural tradition in common, merely
      certain habits and behaviour-patterns, derived from the traumatic experience of
      the ghetto, and from a religion which the majority does not practice or believe
      in, but which nevertheless confers on them a pseudo-national status’ (s. 198)
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    • Gość: Hipoteza Re: Mitomani Don i Slawek zblaznili sie kolejny raz... IP: *.244.86.103.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net 18.01.02, 15:37
      Jestem Hipoteza przedstawiona przez Kagana na podstawie publikacji, ktore
      medrzec Kagan uwaza za fakty historyczne. Jako hipoteza nie zgadzam sie byc
      faktem historycznym Panie Kaganie. Czy Pan to rozumie? Nie, nie, gdyz to co
      Pan przeczytal to staje sie dla Pana faktem, niech Pan wiec jeszcze wiecej
      poczyta to na pewno zmieni Pan fakty, czyli widzi Pan do czego prowadzi Panska
      wnioskowanie i Panska logika.

      PS Polecam studia nad faktami i hipotezami.
      • Gość: Don Re: Mitomani Don i Slawek zblaznili sie kolejny raz... IP: *.uc.nombres.ttd.es 18.01.02, 15:54


        Kagan ! na plocie drewnianym ktos napisal "dupa" ktos inny przejechal po
        napisie reka i wbil sobie drzazge,ze zdziwieniem stwierdzil:to nieprawda w
        dupie nie ma drzazg ! Moral :nie wszystko co napisano to prawda.
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