British citizen searched in Lublin

11.07.05, 13:42
Security officials in Poland searched the premises of a British citizen of
Pakistani origin in connection with the terrorist bombings in London.



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    • usenetposts Re: British citizen searched in Lublin 11.07.05, 14:53
      Good idea.

      They should do that.

      They can search my house whenever they like. An Englishman's home may be his
      castle, but accountability is what its all about.
      • asdf401 Re: British citizen searched in Lublin 11.07.05, 22:45
        I am surprised it got so much attention in major english media. Lublin is ...not
        to offend anybody....... a one horse town.
        • usenetposts Re: British citizen searched in Lublin 16.07.05, 20:02
          I think it didn't make the BBC.

          Poland may be getting tipped off by our authorities about everything we know
          about the terrorists, after all, Poland's next.

          Spain and Britain have already been hit.

          But they will need to think twice before they play games in this country.
          Polish people don't muck around when it comes to defending their country. They
          will end up cancelling the pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina if they start to play
          around here, because there won't be anything to look at.

          This country held back the Ottoman Empire, broke the Soviet Empire, may well
          yet break the EU Empire, and isn't going to bow to Bin Laden and his holy towel
          either.

          And you know what? That's one of the things I like about this place.
          • asdf401 Re: British citizen searched in Lublin 19.07.05, 11:06
            I still think Denmark and Italy would be more endengered and you probably
            overestimate polish options after the possible attack.
            Peace
          • bartis_ervin Re: British citizen searched in Lublin 24.07.05, 17:03

            I guess you are right that in decisive moments through Polish laways had
            something to say. This tells us a lot about the character of this nation.

            But you reference to Mecca being destroyed is not really fair. Even if it is a
            joke...
            Mecca has nothing to do with this. An attack on Mecca would be just like an
            attack on Vatican. And imagine what Muslims would do if something would happen
            to the "black rock"...

            What is going on now is not a clash between religions or cultures. What can be
            talked into it (and it maybe right) that it is a clash between the rich and the
            poor. All we have now is a conflict (is not even war in the strict sense)
            between a group of people and some nations. They don't want to destroy "our way
            of life" they just want their part of the world left alone. I guess this is
            totally fair to ask. But of course, I condemn all attacks on civilians
            regardless who is the perpetrator, but I am very symphatetic towards the Muslim
            culture (I used to work with Muslims and at times I still work with Muslims).

            The future will be a nightmare with bombings all the time if the "coalition of
            the willing" won't figure out any other solution besides bombing some countries
            to the ground. The answer to the violence will be just more violence.
            The "fight against terrorism" is also a plague just like terrorism. In the name
            of this "fight" one innocent person was just shot in London and soon there won't
            be anybody left in Chechnya...

            Ervin
            • usenetposts Re: British citizen searched in Lublin 27.07.05, 02:02
              bartis_ervin napisał:

              >
              > I guess you are right that in decisive moments through Polish laways had
              > something to say. This tells us a lot about the character of this nation.
              >
              > But you reference to Mecca being destroyed is not really fair. Even if it is a
              > joke...
              > Mecca has nothing to do with this. An attack on Mecca would be just like an
              > attack on Vatican. And imagine what Muslims would do if something would happen
              > to the "black rock"...

              The best way to stop that happening is for them to keep their radicals in check.

              If it's okay for them to let their extremists run riot, then let them not think
              we don't have extremists that we could let run riot on them if we wanted to,
              because we do have them, and it is just a question of giving them access to
              tools.

              What's good for the goose has got to be good for the gander.

              >
              > What is going on now is not a clash between religions or cultures. What can be
              > talked into it (and it maybe right) that it is a clash between the rich and th
              > e
              > poor.

              In fact it is not a clash between rich and poor because Bin Laden is
              exceptionally rich, and he and his oil rich people are attacking us and not sub-
              sahara Africa. And they did it in such a way as to interrupt Gleneagles where
              at last something was being done for the poor.


              >All we have now is a conflict (is not even war in the strict sense)
              > between a group of people and some nations. They don't want to destroy "our
              way
              > of life" they just want their part of the world left alone.

              You are a little naive, if you don't mind me saying so.

              Are they, like, Greta Garbo?

              Why do you think they want to be left alone, Bartis?

              Was 9/11 about being left alone? We were not in these countries then.

              Wakey wakey.


              >I guess this is
              > totally fair to ask. But of course, I condemn all attacks on civilians
              > regardless who is the perpetrator, but I am very symphatetic towards the
              Muslim
              > culture (I used to work with Muslims and at times I still work with Muslims).

              You seem to have bought into a fair amount of their propaganda. Ask them to
              show you a copy of the Koran without Jihad in it. Ask them to say to you "I
              renounce Jihad, and say that Jihad is of the devil", and see how liberal these
              Islamic people with the smiling faces you know really are when you scratch the
              surface.

              It's part of their algorithm, Bartis.

              You do not know Islamic thought just because you've drunk coffee with them.

              >
              > The future will be a nightmare with bombings all the time if the "coalition of
              > the willing" won't figure out any other solution besides bombing some
              countries
              > to the ground. The answer to the violence will be just more violence.
              > The "fight against terrorism" is also a plague just like terrorism. In the
              name
              > of this "fight" one innocent person was just shot in London and soon there
              won'
              > t
              > be anybody left in Chechnya...
              >
              > Ervin

              The Chechen people will all be in London with Dame Vera Lynn like their
              terrorist spokesman is, who should be sent to Putin now as a protest against
              the bombings of London. And they'll be in Poland, who also sided with Chechnya
              because of their dislike of Russia, but they got on the wrong bus that time.
              • bartis_ervin Re: British citizen searched in Lublin 27.07.05, 07:10

                In Hungarian first you write the family name and then the given name, so please
                call me Ervinsmile my mistakesmile

                I guess we just have different views on this.
                One thing is sure: the present strategy (?) of the coalition is not working.
                That's clear.

                I would like to remind you that Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq, Egypt, Sudan were
                became independent just recently... and even since then the big powers did not
                fail in putting their hands on some of the countries: how Musharaf ended up as
                president, what happened in Iran, teh Saudis and so on. We were there before 9/11.

                You cannot really think that now, the Westerners are exporting human rights and
                democracy to Middle East? Where were they when Kurds were being slaughtered in
                '88-'89? The world just stood by and nobody cared. Nobody thought of outsteding
                Saddam.

                The Americans gave a huge gift for extremists with attacking and staying in
                Iraq. The extremists never had such a huge "capital".

                After reading Koran I can say that "Jihad" is not what the extremists call
                Jihad. I talked with Muslims, especially in Romania, and none of them seemed
                keen on any Jihad...
                But even if it would be how you wrote, I guess you wouldn't be liberal when
                somebody would attack rules of your religion. And in the way that Muslim
                religion is attacked. Soon it is a criminal act to be Muslim. That's what
                Western idea of human rights is about?

                And I am sure that you know what is the difference between a legally elected
                President, for e.g. Mashadov, and somebody like Basayev.

                And still Mecca and Vatican has nothing to do in all this story..
                • usenetposts Re: British citizen searched in Lublin 29.07.05, 01:04
                  bartis_ervin napisał:

                  >
                  > In Hungarian first you write the family name and then the given name, so
                  please
                  > call me Ervinsmile my mistakesmile

                  Sorry. Elnezest & Bocsanat.

                  >
                  > I guess we just have different views on this.
                  > One thing is sure: the present strategy (?) of the coalition is not working.
                  > That's clear.
                  >

                  It falls between two stools, that's for sure.

                  > I would like to remind you that Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq, Egypt, Sudan were
                  > became independent just recently... and even since then the big powers did not
                  > fail in putting their hands on some of the countries: how Musharaf ended up as
                  > president, what happened in Iran, teh Saudis and so on. We were there before
                  9/
                  > 11.
                  >

                  Yes, we had been there, true enough, but we did what we could to reverse the
                  damage of imperial days, and to give them back their independence.


                  > You cannot really think that now, the Westerners are exporting human rights
                  and
                  > democracy to Middle East? Where were they when Kurds were being slaughtered in
                  > '88-'89? The world just stood by and nobody cared. Nobody thought of
                  outsteding
                  > Saddam.

                  I'm sure that failure was one of the things that haunted the Bush family and
                  made GWB more determined not to let him live to fight another day this time.
                  Not live free, anyway, and he may well yet face a capital sentence - other than
                  the one where his Swiss banker tells him how many millions he's got left on his
                  account, that is.

                  >
                  > The Americans gave a huge gift for extremists with attacking and staying in
                  > Iraq. The extremists never had such a huge "capital".
                  >

                  So how do you explain the millions of Bin Laden?

                  > After reading Koran I can say that "Jihad" is not what the extremists call
                  > Jihad. I talked with Muslims, especially in Romania, and none of them seemed
                  > keen on any Jihad...

                  That's because they know what the first rule about Fight Club is.

                  You gotta credit them with that.

                  They know the first and they know the second rule of Jihad club.



                  > But even if it would be how you wrote, I guess you wouldn't be liberal when
                  > somebody would attack rules of your religion. And in the way that Muslim
                  > religion is attacked. Soon it is a criminal act to be Muslim. That's what
                  > Western idea of human rights is about?

                  The rules of my religion come under fire the entire time, Ervin. Kalvinisti
                  vagyok.


                  >
                  > And I am sure that you know what is the difference between a legally elected
                  > President, for e.g. Mashadov, and somebody like Basayev.
                  >
                  > And still Mecca and Vatican has nothing to do in all this story..

                  They don't directly, but they do indirectly.
                  • bartis_ervin Re: British citizen searched in Lublin 29.07.05, 08:40
                    "> The Americans gave a huge gift for extremists with attacking and staying in
                    > Iraq. The extremists never had such a huge "capital".
                    >

                    So how do you explain the millions of Bin Laden?"

                    Probably I wasn't clear enough... By "capital" I meant excuse and reason for
                    extremists to say "You see? Here they are again, conquering our land!" and by
                    this recruiting more and more people and brainwashing them, and doing the most
                    horrible things.

                    Of course I also understand that US and allies cannot withdraw in 2 seconds, but
                    they still don't have a plan.
                    The history proves that no statebuilding mission was succesful: e.g. Cambodia,
                    Haiti, East Timor, Kosovo. Iraq is a lot worse then all these countries. What
                    you can do is only fail.

                    Ervin
    • portulaco Re: British citizen searched in Lublin 19.07.05, 11:41
      The most sad in this terrorism is the fact that any of us can be a victim, no
      exceptions.

      Lack of inteligence that what it is, nothing more. I went twice to London, it's
      a beautiful and multi-cultural city.

      Poland and Portugal for instance don't have the impact in public opinion as NY,
      Madrid and London.

      We never know what this terrorist pigs will do next, when and where and I
      really don't know how it's possible to defeat them.

      They call us the crusades... we will call them the infidels.



      • za_morzem Re: British citizen searched in Lublin 20.07.05, 02:03
        he is not an english man but pakistani with british passport.
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