what do you think of this?

28.07.05, 12:30
www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1537400,00.html
Bomb suspect 'became a militant' in prison

Background details emerge of refugee pair who grew up in Britain, amid alarm
at scapegoating of asylum seekers.

Bomb suspect 'became a militant' in prison

Background details emerge of refugee pair who grew up in Britain, amid alarm
at scapegoating of asylum seekers

Alan Travis and Audrey Gillan
Thursday July 28, 2005
The Guardian

Muktar Said-Ibrahim, the suspected bomber still on the run is believed to
have been radicalised during his 2½ years in young offenders' institutions in
south-east England.
Ibrahim was jailed for five years in 1996 at Wood Green crown court in north
London for his role in a teenage gang which robbed people in the Welwyn
Garden City and Stevenage areas of Hertfordshire. It is believed he
was "bounced around" from one institution to another - Feltham in west
London, Aylesbury, Bedford, Huntercombe near Henley-on-Thames, and Wood Hill
at Milton Keynes....

(Read the rest in the link)

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Now why would you do that? You escape a worn torn country and rage in one
that gave you refuge? You live off benefits - go to jail - recieve a British
passport and then attempt to kill others? In the name of what?
All I can say - is that mass psychosis seems to be to blame...


(ps: Uncle hope you don't mind me putting this type of subject on your board,
hope you don't feel news is off the agenda here?smile)
    • bluteau Re: what do you think of this? 28.07.05, 12:44
      All I can say is: how convenient for him. Once again society in general and the
      prison system will be blamed.
      Well, I suppose at least a little heat will be taken off of the Muslim community
      as a whole (I hope).
    • bartis_ervin Re: what do you think of this? 28.07.05, 13:09

      I agree with the British Refugee Council.
      The fact that this person was a refugee has nothing to do with what he is
      suspected to have done. He could have also been born in UK.. And it is always
      easy to pick on refugees and asylum seekers.

      The Refugee Covention foresees the obligations of states to offer asylum when
      the individual has "well-founded fear of persecution on account of race,
      religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political
      opinion".
      The Western states cannot demand N. Korea, Sudan and other countries to respect
      the international law, while they do not fulfill their obligations.

      Not letting Muslims in "fortress Europe" simply won't solve anything.
      And for people who think that UK is under a heavy burden because of asylum
      seekers and refugees, here are just a few numbers.
      UK: 5 refugees and asylum seekers/1000 inhabintants,
      Liberia: 124 refugees and IDPs (internally displaced persons)/1000 inhabitants
      Armenia: 105 refugees/1000 inhabitants
      Afghanistan: 68 IDPs/1000 inhabitants
    • usenetposts Re: what do you think of this? 29.07.05, 00:00
      chochise napisał:

      > www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1537400,00.html
      > Bomb suspect 'became a militant' in prison
      >
      > Background details emerge of refugee pair who grew up in Britain, amid alarm
      > at scapegoating of asylum seekers.
      >
      > Bomb suspect 'became a militant' in prison
      >
      > Background details emerge of refugee pair who grew up in Britain, amid alarm
      > at scapegoating of asylum seekers
      >
      > Alan Travis and Audrey Gillan
      > Thursday July 28, 2005
      > The Guardian
      >
      > Muktar Said-Ibrahim, the suspected bomber still on the run is believed to
      > have been radicalised during his 2½ years in young offenders' institutio
      > ns in
      > south-east England.
      > Ibrahim was jailed for five years in 1996 at Wood Green crown court in north
      > London for his role in a teenage gang which robbed people in the Welwyn
      > Garden City and Stevenage areas of Hertfordshire. It is believed he
      > was "bounced around" from one institution to another - Feltham in west
      > London, Aylesbury, Bedford, Huntercombe near Henley-on-Thames, and Wood Hill
      > at Milton Keynes....
      >
      > (Read the rest in the link)
      >
      > ---
      > Now why would you do that? You escape a worn torn country and rage in one
      > that gave you refuge? You live off benefits - go to jail - recieve a British
      > passport and then attempt to kill others? In the name of what?
      > All I can say - is that mass psychosis seems to be to blame...
      >
      >
      > (ps: Uncle hope you don't mind me putting this type of subject on your board,
      > hope you don't feel news is off the agenda here?smile)

      It's perfectly okay, Chocise.

      I'm afraid I sometimes think that there is a great deal of truth in the Russian
      saying "nie delaj dobra, nie poluczysz zla" - which means don't do someone a
      good turn, and they can't do you a bad one.

      We have done a great deal for the developing world, more than most other
      countries. Even when the London bombs went off it was during the Gleneagles
      meeting when Britain had got the issue of debt relief on the agenda finally -
      and these people tried to disrupt that humanitarian project.

      There is no excuse for robbing people in Stevenage and Welwyn Garden City.
      These are new towns, built up after the war as part of the New towns
      initiative, and their job was to be part of a brave new world, outside the
      London greenbelt, with things like free parking, zero unemployment, brilliant
      rail connexions to London, etc, and since everyone coming there was from
      somewhere else, everyone was supposed to feel included and not left out.

      We were trying to build Jerusalem in England's green and pleasant land, but it
      looks like we built the Gaza strip instead.
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