Where is Uncle Davey again?

03.11.05, 20:11
I am somewhat disappointed that after almost 3 months of being a member of
your forum, I didn't receive any e-mails from you in regards to Frieda (the
unhappy camper/ nuisance/troll) and now perhaps even the future of your
forum.Are you going to be back in business or that's the end of it? I was
hoping to find some explanation today and what I see is that the forum has
been suspended altogether.Any thoughts on that?
I have provided two e-mail addresses. They all work fine, Uncle Davey.

Thanks,
Kylie
    • nasza_maggie Re: Where is Uncle Davey again? 04.11.05, 13:17
      oh dear. it seems he's very busy sad
    • usenetposts Re: Where is Uncle Davey again? 04.11.05, 22:58
      I thought I had answered all your questions. The reason I tolerate Frieda is
      that she has really been through the mill. But I don't have her permission to
      talk about exactly in what way with other people, so you're gonna have to trust
      me on it.

      The site was suspended I dare say because I made a spoof page on it
      of Learny Flunk's reptile pages and the real Learny Flunk, who is a dire enemy of
      mine, must have got mad and gotten into my control panel. There he placed a
      file linking to a suspended page which exists in the upgraded cpanel software
      which even my ISP didn't know about.

      Of course, I don't have any proof that Flunk did this, but if it wasn't him it
      will be another of the militant chelonianists he hangs around with, who are
      just looking for any excuse to close my site.

      Anyway, Brother Jason, my ISP, worked very hard this evening to get me back on
      line again.

      Sorry for the inconvenience.
      • kylie1 Re: Where is Uncle Davey again? 05.11.05, 00:10
        A reply? So soon?

        >The reason I tolerate Frieda is
        that she has really been through the mill. But I don't have her permission to
        talk about exactly in what way with other people, so you're gonna have to trust
        me on it.


        The question I would like to ask YOU is if she has YOUR permission to insult
        others? Isn't she familiar with the forum etiquette? Maybe something to ask
        her? That goes for Maggies forum and many other self respected forums. Is her
        personal life supposed to be an excuse for the insults whenever she has a bad
        hair day? If that's all allowed and she gets a pat on her shoulder for all
        this, then I would really question the integrity of your forum.

        Kylie




        • nasza_maggie Re: Where is Uncle Davey again? 05.11.05, 00:38
          hang on, what ARE you guys talking about?smile
          • usenetposts Re: Where is Uncle Davey again? 05.11.05, 02:00
            nasza_maggie napisała:

            > hang on, what ARE you guys talking about?smile

            Kylie is protesting about my lax moderatorial policy, in her view, here:

            www.usenetposts.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1
            It's not on topic, but she's asked the question and I've answered it.
            • usenetposts Re: Where is Uncle Davey again? 05.11.05, 02:14
              And then I could add to my earlier answer to you, Maggie, that I don't know
              what Kylie had in mind mentioning your name. I dare say that she was holding
              you up as a much better moderator than I am.

              But it's horses for courses. Forum moderators are not all supposed to be clones
              of each other.
        • usenetposts Re: Where is Uncle Davey again? 05.11.05, 01:41
          kylie1 napisała:

          > A reply? So soon?
          >
          > >The reason I tolerate Frieda is
          > that she has really been through the mill. But I don't have her permission to
          > talk about exactly in what way with other people, so you're gonna have to
          trust
          >
          > me on it.
          >
          >
          > The question I would like to ask YOU is if she has YOUR permission to insult
          > others? Isn't she familiar with the forum etiquette? Maybe something to ask
          > her? That goes for Maggies forum and many other self respected forums. Is her
          >
          > personal life supposed to be an excuse for the insults whenever she has a bad
          > hair day? If that's all allowed and she gets a pat on her shoulder for all
          > this, then I would really question the integrity of your forum.
          >
          > Kylie
          >

          When you say "you question the integrity of my forum" what you are really
          saying, since forums as such have no personality, is that you question MY
          integrity.

          You are of course welcome to question my integrity. I am all aboot openness and
          accountability.

          My answer is quite simply this - I keep censorship to an absolute minimum. You
          will notice that on this forum also. There have been a couple of people on here
          that I've been tempted to squelch but I do not think that is an answer to
          anything. You have to be able to counter the arguments of people, or learn to
          ignore them. There is I believe in the software a possibility to ignore people,
          so if one finds one's self without the discipline to leave their posts unopened
          or simply to let it wash over you like water off a duck's back, then you can
          killfile them.

          In any event, I am not taking sides between my forum guests. They have to fight
          their own battles. That is the way I personally run forums.

          I will censor in extremis, for filthiness and for anti-semitism, blasphemy,
          illegal slander, incitement to racial hatred, things like that. But not because
          some rather distressed lady from New York has discovered a way to yank a lady
          from Canada's chain. The lady from Canada has to develop her own chain-yank
          defence mechanisms.

          Much as I enjoy your participations everywhere, I am not departing from my
          moderatorial principles, which in the case of the forum you are discussing are
          laid out very clearly in my home page and in the forum itself.

          If we are talking about integrity, the word you used, to my mind the key to
          integrity is to keep your word and do what you say you are going to do. I never
          promised that I was going to netnanny that forum, quite the opposite, I said
          that I would keep censorship to a minimum, and my integrity means doing exactly
          that. All I have trimmed so far is pornographers' forum trawling and pointless
          posts from bots.

          At the end of the day as far as www.usenetposts.com/forum is concerned,
          the only law is what I have described above. After all, that forum is my
          property, although the intellectual property rights to anything posted on it
          remain with the poster. As far as this forum is concerned, there are the rules
          of Agora SA to adhere to, and basically that might mean in theory that I might
          have to censor something here that I would not do in my own place, just to stop
          the whole group getting taken down. But it hasn't happened yet.

          And another thing, Kylie, if you think that you are getting it in the neck on
          there, then please note the kind of abuse I have taken in some parts of that,
          being called a liar and all sorts, and the items are still up and will be up
          for ever. I don't make an exception to my rules for my own benefit either.

          I think that ought to answer the point about integrity.

          With regard to the point about private e-mail, I don't remember promising to
          engage in side e-mail correspondences with anybody. I might do that, or I might
          not. I certainly am not going to hurry back from clients 200 miles away in the
          dark on a busy Friday night road to do it out of a sense of duty, though,
          kindly note, so your sarcasm about my speed of reply is not really called for.
          • kylie1 Re: Where is Uncle Davey again? 05.11.05, 03:49
            "Frieda, you might wanna play nicer with Kylie, as she is obviously not a
            veterean flamewar participant like some of us around here, mentioning no names.
            Just a thought, I would take it as a favour."

            If that's not sarcastic, I don't know what is.
            You must be the only Christian forum I know that allows insults. You run it any
            way you want, Dave. I think you forgot to mention that the most important
            guideline for netiquette anywhere in the world aside from all the rest is to be
            polite and respectful to other people.

            "But not because some rather distressed lady from New York has discovered a way
            to yank a lady from Canada's chain. The lady from Canada has to develop her own
            chain-yank defence mechanisms".

            Well, your position on that certainly shows a lot of integrity right
            there. "The poor distressed lady from the Big Apple" is OK to insult someone
            in Canada out of the blue and your advice to me is: "go and develop some
            defence mechanism in yourself". I can't believe I am reading this. You really
            want me to stoop that low, Dave? The last thing I want is a flame war. I am not
            a computer addict and that doesn't do a thing for me.

            "With regard to the point about private e-mail, I don't remember promising to
            engage in side e-mail correspondences with anybody".

            I thought your board features private messages and board messages for a reason.
            Are they just decorating the place?

            Kylie





            • usenetposts Re: Where is Uncle Davey again? 05.11.05, 12:10
              kylie1 napisała:

              > "Frieda, you might wanna play nicer with Kylie, as she is obviously not a
              > veterean flamewar participant like some of us around here, mentioning no
              names.
              >
              > Just a thought, I would take it as a favour."
              >
              > If that's not sarcastic, I don't know what is.

              Then you don't know much. I was asking her to play niuce, and that is all I can
              do. I'm not gonna force her. Period.


              > You must be the only Christian forum I know that allows insults.

              !!!!
              You are kidding me.

              You will not find a single Usenet Christian group that is free from MUCH WORSE
              than anything on my Board. That is a real safe haven in comparison with such
              places as free.christians, alt.religion.baptist, alt.christnet.chistian-life,
              and on and on and on.

              At the end of the day, Christian != control freak. Many Christians are control
              freaks but that cause and effect relationship may be working in the opposite
              way to what one might expect.


              > You run it any
              >
              > way you want, Dave. I think you forgot to mention that the most important
              > guideline for netiquette anywhere in the world aside from all the rest is to
              be
              >
              > polite and respectful to other people.
              >

              You have had politeness and respect from all the others except one person, and
              you ought to ignore her. Instead of which you start off a thread devoted to her.
              Where's your understanding of basically psychology? Or are you just yanking MY
              chain? Because that's what it's starting to look like.

              > "But not because some rather distressed lady from New York has discovered a
              way
              >
              > to yank a lady from Canada's chain. The lady from Canada has to develop her
              own
              >
              > chain-yank defence mechanisms".
              >
              > Well, your position on that certainly shows a lot of integrity right
              > there. "The poor distressed lady from the Big Apple" is OK to insult someone
              > in Canada out of the blue and your advice to me is: "go and develop some
              > defence mechanism in yourself". I can't believe I am reading this. You really
              > want me to stoop that low, Dave? The last thing I want is a flame war. I am
              not
              >
              > a computer addict and that doesn't do a thing for me.
              >

              You say that.

              I'm not sure it wouldn't do you some good though, actually. You do seem to have
              a very low tolerance for a bit of rough and tumble, and a bit of verbal
              fisticuffs in the relatively safe world of the online flamewar might be a bit
              like an immunisation with a dead vaccine against the sort of rubbish people can
              throw at you in everyday life.


              > "With regard to the point about private e-mail, I don't remember promising to
              > engage in side e-mail correspondences with anybody".
              >
              > I thought your board features private messages and board messages for a
              reason.
              >
              > Are they just decorating the place?

              I have answered every single private message I found addressed to me on that
              Board.

              I have not answered unsolicited private mails with huge 1 MB attachments that
              have blocked my box and stopped me working when I am in the field and only have
              a mobile connexion.

              I am not looking for pen pals here, I write for a public consumption, and never
              claimed any different.

              The private message function on the BB allows participants to send each other
              messages if they want to, or to bring something to the attention of the
              moderator. They are not a guarantee that the mod. is going to want to be
              backchanneling all the time, and I don't.

              And even when you go from forum to forum questioning my integrity in off-topic
              places, it doesn't make me want to cave in and give you the attention you so
              desparately seem to want from me.
              • nasza_maggie Re: Where is Uncle Davey again? 05.11.05, 14:07
                oh guys...stop... please? smile
                • usenetposts Re: Where is Uncle Davey again? 05.11.05, 17:51
                  I'm sorry Mags, and the other readers, but it's not very nice to have one's
                  integrity questioned.

                  I ought not to rise to it, you are right.
              • kylie1 Re: Where is Uncle Davey again? 06.11.05, 04:27
                > I'm not sure it wouldn't do you some good though, actually

                I like to decide for myself what's good for me, Dave.

                >Or are you just yanking MY chain?

                No, Dave. I did that because there was no response from you via e-mail. Along
                with other technical problems your board's having, it's not surprising that
                your e-mail service is not up to par either.Now,as for your assessment of my
                psychology skills, it's pretty hard to predict who is a sandwich short of a
                picnic.

                > like an immunisation with a dead vaccine against the sort of rubbish people
                can throw at you in everyday life.

                Well, I must be blessed, Dave. I don't really have people yanking my chain
                very often. That's not to say I am a push over. I simply don't hang around
                people that are weird. I also pick forums that are clean and nice to be around.
                Being a safe heaven is not such a bad thing, you know.

                > The private message function on the BB allows participants to send each other
                > messages if they want to

                That's what I thought....

                >They are not a guarantee ...

                Obviously not.

                > And even when you go from forum to forum questioning my integrity in off-
                topic
                > places, it doesn't make me want to cave in and give you the attention you so
                > desparately seem to want from me.

                AND WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT, Dave??????

                When Maggie asked both of us what was going on, I sent her an e-mail explaining
                why this was happening.In a nutshell...I repeat...NUTSHELL!!! If that's what
                you had in mind, perhaps she can send that email to you so you can see for
                yourself what EXACTLY WAS IN IT. There was not a statement that suggests what
                you have just implied. If that's what she is telling you, then I would question
                her integrity as well because that was a message sent to her and should have
                stayed confidential between her and I. I don't think she would have done it.
                What you are saying is an absolute garbage, Dave. I have a lot of respect for
                Maggie and I don't suppose she would do something like that. The only reason I
                sent her the message was to explain in a nutshell... I repeat... NUTSHELL,
                Dave...what you and I were talking about in regards to your your other forum.

                If you think you can pin that on me and start questioning MY integrity Dave,
                then you're giving me a lot to think about. I have never done that and I
                suppose you will have to take my word for it.

                Maggie, would you please, send Dave the message to clear it all up once and for
                all. Thanks.

                K.



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