Political Correctness

15.11.05, 15:38
Just read this on a UK forum. It is brilliant!

Nelson: Order the signal, Hardy
Hardy: Aye sir
Nelson: Hold on that's not what I dictated to the signal officer; What's the
meaning of this?
Hardy: Sorry Sir, what's amiss?
Nelson: England expects every person to do his duty, regardless of race,
gender, sexual orientation, religion or disability.What gobbledygook is this?
Hardy: Admiralty policy, I'm afraid sir. We're an equal opportunities employer
now. We had the devil's own job getting England past the censors, lest it be
considered racist.
Nelson: Gadzooks. Hand me my pipe and tobacco.
Hardy: Sorry Sir. All naval vessels have been designated smokefree working
environments.
Nelson: In that case, break open the rum ration. Let us splice the main brace
to steel the men before battle.
Hardy: The rum ration has been abolished. Its part of the Governments policy
on binge drinking.
Nelson: Good heavens Hardy. I suppose we'd better get on with it. Full speed
ahead then.
Hardy: I think you'll find that there's a 4 knot speed limit in this stretch
of water, don't want to get a ticket Sir.
Nelson: Damn it man! We are on the eve of the greatest sea battle in history.
We must advance with all dispatch. Report from the crow's nest please.
Hardy: That won't be possible, sir.
Nelson: What?
Hardy: Health and safety have closed the crows’ nest sir. They said that the
rope ladder doesn’t meet regulations. They wont let anyone up there until
proper scaffolding can be erected.
Nelson: Then get the ships carpenter without delay.
Hardy: He's busy knocking up a wheelchair access to the focsle Admiral.
Nelson: Wheelchair access? I've never heard anything so absurd.
Hardy: Health and safety again sir. We have to provide a barrier-free
environment for the differently abled.
Nelson: Differently abled? I've only got one arm and one gammy eye and I
refuse even to hear mention of the word. I didn't rise to the rank of admiral
by playing the disability card.
Hardy: Actually sir you did. The Royal Navy is under-represented in the areas
of visual impairment and limb deficiency; you've been recruited through a
process of positive discrimination.
Nelson: Whatever next? Give me full sail, the salt spray beckons!
Hardy: A couple of problems there too Sir. Health and Safety won't allow the
crew up the rigging without hard hats. And they don’t want anyone breathing in
too much salt – haven’t you seen the adverts?
Nelson: I've never heard such infamy! Break out the cannon and tell the Men to
standby to engage the enemy.
Hardy: The men are a bit worried about shooting at anyone Admiral - their
Union isn't too happy about it either.
Nelson: What? This is mutiny.
Hardy: It's not that Sir. It’s just that they’re afraid of being charged with
murder if they actually kill anyone. There are a couple of legal-aid lawyers
on board watching everyone like hawks.
Nelson: Then how are we to sink the Frenchies and the Spanish?
Hardy: Actually sir, we're not.
Nelson: We're not?
Hardy: No sir. The Frenchies and the Spanish are our European partners now.
According to the Common Fisheries Policy we shouldn’t even be in this stretch
of water. We could get hit with a claim for compensation.
Nelson: But you must hate a Frenchman as you hate the devil.
Hardy: I wouldn't let the ship's diversity coordinator hear you saying that
sir. You'll be up on disciplinary.
Nelson: You must consider every man an enemy who speaks ill of your King.
Hardy: Not any more sir. We must be inclusive in this multicultural age. Now
put on your Kevlar vest; it's the rules. It could save your life
Nelson: Don't tell me - health and safety. Whatever happened to rum, sodomy
and the lash?
Hardy: As I explained Sir, rum is off the menu and there’s a ban on corporal
punishment.
Nelson: What about sodomy?
Hardy: I believe that is now legal sir.
Nelson: Well in that case... kiss me Hardy
    • usenetposts Re: Political Correctness 16.11.05, 10:55
      Yeah, it pretty much underlines how handicapped we are by this PC-ism. We have
      got real battles to fight to stop our way of life going down the tubes, and
      nobody has the guts to even frame the problems in straight-talking language any
      more.

      Let's just hope Poland learns from the west's mistakes and holds out.

      And that's why, at the end of the day, I'm happy with the election result here.
      • ianek70 Re: Political Correctness 29.11.05, 16:36
        usenetposts napisał:

        > Yeah, it pretty much underlines how handicapped we are by this PC-ism. We
        have
        > got real battles to fight to stop our way of life going down the tubes, and
        > nobody has the guts to even frame the problems in straight-talking language
        any
        >
        > more.
        >
        > Let's just hope Poland learns from the west's mistakes and holds out.

        The expression PC is only ever used by Tories, bigots and other mad right-
        wingers, and usually to sarcastically justify some bigoted bollocks:
        "Well, it may not be 'fashionable' or 'politically correct', Sir Reginald, but
        I do think all poor/black/catholic/fat people should be shot."
        "Well, of course, thanks to these politically correct folks, we can't even say
        that..." and then of course they say what they supposedly can't say any more.
        Obviously it's stupid and patronising to employ someone just because he's a
        certain shape or colour, and it's impractical to train wheelchair-users as
        front-line troops, but why offend people just because it's traditional?
        In Poland, they tell racist jokes on the telly that died out in the UK in the
        70s. There's no point banning them, just wait until folk realise how pathetic
        they are. A couple of years ago, an African student in PL tried to sue the
        publishers of those little books of jokes about Jews, Scots, Blacks, Arabs etc.
        He explained they were offensive, and the judge said, "Yes? And?" But the
        moment you tell a joke about the Pope or use the word "polaczki" they all get
        outraged.
        Whenever someone tells me a Scottish joke and expects me to laugh, I tell him a
        Polish joke and expect him to piss off.
        In Poland teenage nazis paint swastikas on walls. It's easy to write 'white
        power' on a bus shelter if there's no non-whites within 100 miles of you.
        There was a poster campaign in the West of Scotland a couple of years ago.
        "Sectarian jokes can have you in stitches," was one slogan, with a picture of a
        man, face in stitches after being slashed or bottled. Dry humour, clear
        message. Be careful who you offend. "Sectarian jokes? Dead funny." A picture of
        a grave.
        • russh Re: Political Correctness 29.11.05, 21:54
          My experience Ian is that PC has been invented by idiotic left-wingers who have
          the balls to be realistic, and stick their head in the time warp of socialism,
          only to find out that if they ever manage to get it out, the worlds not about
          appeasing every faction / minority that ever existed, but about creating a
          society that everyone can live in together, through common sense and wealth
          creation, as opposed to nannyism and state creation.
          • ianek70 Re: Political Correctness 01.12.05, 21:40
            russh napisał:

            > My experience Ian is that PC has been invented by idiotic left-wingers who
            have
            > the balls to be realistic, and stick their head in the time warp of socialism,
            > only to find out that if they ever manage to get it out, the worlds not about
            > appeasing every faction / minority that ever existed,

            That's true as well, but it's like the Spitting Image puppet of Kinnock in the
            80s, who loved all minorities because all voters are members of some minority
            or other, but forgot that minorities, being people, have different opinions.

            > but about creating a
            > society that everyone can live in together, through common sense and wealth
            > creation, as opposed to nannyism and state creation.

            People will never agree where you draw the line between helping and
            interfering. If by state creation you mean inventing states, then I'm against,
            if you mean the state creating something and thereby giving taxpayers something
            for their taxes or giving voters what they promised them, then I say "Yeah!
            Cool!"
            • varsovian Re: Political Correctness 02.12.05, 14:42
              There is a place for PC, but the supreme being or beings or lack thereof may or
              may not know where.
              PC isn't just the reserve of idiotic left-wingers. Look at the US - famously
              devoid of left-wingers. I could say that much of it actually came from female
              American Jewish intellectuals, but that would be so un-PC.
              • ianek70 PC in PL 05.12.05, 13:56
                varsovian napisał:

                > PC isn't just the reserve of idiotic left-wingers. Look at the US - famously
                > devoid of left-wingers. I could say that much of it actually came from
                female
                > American Jewish intellectuals, but that would be so un-PC.

                Well, this is un-PC PL, so it's safe to say that you think female American
                Jewish intellectuals are a bunch of poofs, or to point out that most of them
                have Jewish surnames, and let people draw their own bizarre conclusions.
                • nasza_maggie Re: PC in PL 05.12.05, 14:17
                  ianek70 napisał:


                  >
                  > Well, this is un-PC PL, so it's safe to say that you think female American
                  > Jewish intellectuals are a bunch of poofs, or to point out that most of them
                  > have Jewish surnames, and let people draw their own bizarre conclusions.

                  Are you saying that all POles are anti-semitic then?
                  • ianek70 Re: PC in PL 05.12.05, 15:22
                    nasza_maggie napisała:

                    > ianek70 napisał:
                    >
                    >
                    > >
                    > > Well, this is un-PC PL, so it's safe to say that you think female America
                    > n
                    > > Jewish intellectuals are a bunch of poofs, or to point out that most of t
                    > hem
                    > > have Jewish surnames, and let people draw their own bizarre conclusions.
                    >
                    > Are you saying that all POles are anti-semitic then?

                    No, but you know there are people in Poland who, instead of criticizing someone
                    in a sensible or logical way, will simply say: "Ah, but you know his
                    grandfather's surname was Finkelstein," and then nod in a way they think looks
                    wise, but is in fact very very stupid.
                    Of course these people are a small minority, but they are a very loud and
                    irritating minority.
                    A few years ago, during elections in Scotland, there was a minor scandal about
                    a leaflet printed by the candidate of one of the parties. This scandalous
                    leaflet dared to mention the full name of the main rival candidate, including
                    her middle name, which was Theresa.
                    The reason for the scandal was the fact that everyone in Scotland knows that a
                    woman whose middle name is Theresa must be a Catholic. Scotland is a very
                    secular country, most people are sick of religious conflict and most know that
                    having a Catholic name or Irish surname just means your grandparents were
                    Catholics.
                    But even if 95% of folk don't give a shit any more, the votes of the 5% who do
                    are important, and in the East (this was Lothian) these will mostly be Prods.
                    This gives your candidate a 4% advantage.
                    It works the same way in Poland. If someone calls Kwaśniewski Stoltzman or
                    whatever, most normal people don't care, but the abnormal can vote, too.
                    • usenetposts Re: PC in PL 06.12.05, 20:54
                      ianek70 napisał:

                      > nasza_maggie napisała:
                      >
                      > > ianek70 napisał:
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Well, this is un-PC PL, so it's safe to say that you think female A
                      > merica
                      > > n
                      > > > Jewish intellectuals are a bunch of poofs, or to point out that mos
                      > t of t
                      > > hem
                      > > > have Jewish surnames, and let people draw their own bizarre conclus
                      > ions.
                      > >
                      > > Are you saying that all POles are anti-semitic then?
                      >
                      > No, but you know there are people in Poland who, instead of criticizing
                      someone
                      >
                      > in a sensible or logical way, will simply say: "Ah, but you know his
                      > grandfather's surname was Finkelstein," and then nod in a way they think
                      looks
                      > wise, but is in fact very very stupid.
                      > Of course these people are a small minority, but they are a very loud and
                      > irritating minority.
                      > A few years ago, during elections in Scotland, there was a minor scandal
                      about
                      > a leaflet printed by the candidate of one of the parties. This scandalous
                      > leaflet dared to mention the full name of the main rival candidate, including
                      > her middle name, which was Theresa.
                      > The reason for the scandal was the fact that everyone in Scotland knows that
                      a
                      > woman whose middle name is Theresa must be a Catholic. Scotland is a very
                      > secular country, most people are sick of religious conflict and most know
                      that
                      > having a Catholic name or Irish surname just means your grandparents were
                      > Catholics.
                      > But even if 95% of folk don't give a shit any more, the votes of the 5% who
                      do
                      > are important, and in the East (this was Lothian) these will mostly be Prods.

                      How nice of you. You wrote out the word "Catholic" in full, but Protestants
                      only deserve to be called "Prods". I suppose I should be thankful you at least
                      gave us a capital letter.
                      • ianek70 Good Point 07.12.05, 11:48
                        usenetposts napisał:

                        > How nice of you. You wrote out the word "Catholic" in full, but Protestants
                        > only deserve to be called "Prods". I suppose I should be thankful you at
                        least
                        > gave us a capital letter.

                        No offence intended.
                        I suppose that's a good example of the whole PC sensitivity-to-others thing. In
                        Scotland, folk who worry about these things consider me a Prod because of my
                        surname, the school I went to and the church my grandparents went to. So for
                        me, the word Prod is meaningless, and for most real Protestants it's less
                        insulting than the various names that exist for Catholics.
                        Therefore, I (like most people, I think) only use the Catholic words with
                        friends (Catholics/Protestants/believers/non-believers) who know I'm joking and
                        don't get emotional one way or the other. I would never, for example, use them
                        in the pub.
                        But I don't even think about the P-word, in the same way as I could jokingly
                        use the word "honky", for example, because I'm white and the word loses its
                        negative connotations when coming from me. I never say the N-word, or anything
                        offensive to blacks, though. In the same way, if a white Scot calls me "Jock"
                        or "whitey" it obviously isn't meant to be offensive, and doesn't bother me, if
                        somebody else uses these words, it is, and it does.
                        In the summer, I was in Paisley at a mate's house, and his mobile rang while he
                        was in the kitchen. "Who is it?" he inquired.
                        The name flashing was "Tubby Fenian".
                        So, I know a lot of stout people, half the folk I know are left-footers, but
                        which of the differently-slender Catholics are close enough friends that he
                        could call them "Tubby Fenian"? I guessed straight away.
                        • varsovian Re: Good Point 07.12.05, 12:04
                          Personally, I think PROD is a highly sexy term.
                          • usenetposts Re: Good Point 09.12.05, 12:37
                            varsovian napisał:

                            > Personally, I think PROD is a highly sexy term.

                            Protestantism is a very sexy religion in comparison to Roman catholicism, if
                            you happen to be a priest.

                            As in, you're actually allowed to have it.

                            As long as you're married to the person on the receiving end, that is.

                            It's better than pork, as the old joke goes.
                        • usenetposts Re: Good Point 09.12.05, 12:38
                          ianek70 napisał:

                          > usenetposts napisał:
                          >
                          > > How nice of you. You wrote out the word "Catholic" in full, but Protestan
                          > ts
                          > > only deserve to be called "Prods". I suppose I should be thankful you at
                          > least
                          > > gave us a capital letter.
                          >
                          > No offence intended.

                          None taken.

                          I was just pulling your leg.
                          • ianek70 Re: Good Point 09.12.05, 13:23
                            usenetposts napisał:

                            > ianek70 napisał:

                            > > No offence intended.
                            >
                            > None taken.
                            >
                            > I was just pulling your leg.
                            >

                            I'm sure the "Frog towel-heads" you wrote about recently feel the same smile
                            • usenetposts Re: Good Point 10.12.05, 01:38
                              ianek70 napisał:

                              > usenetposts napisał:
                              >
                              > > ianek70 napisał:
                              >
                              > > > No offence intended.
                              > >
                              > > None taken.
                              > >
                              > > I was just pulling your leg.
                              > >
                              >
                              > I'm sure the "Frog towel-heads" you wrote about recently feel the same smile

                              Well, I expect they're laughing all the way to the bank with the 5 million EUR
                              of money out of the Polish budget, graciously handed to them as a reward for
                              behaving like scum by Mr Barroso.

                              That's why Barroso should be impeached from President of Europe and Mr Sarkozy
                              placed in his stead.

                              Or Michael Portillo.
                              • kylie1 Re: Good Point 10.12.05, 01:44
                                I like the term "towel heads". My father-in-law calls them rag heads smile
                              • russh Re: Good Point 10.12.05, 05:21
                                It was said before - the EU presidents, by the very nature that they are chosen,
                                are not the men for the job.

                                Portillo - like him, although I thought that Chris Patten would have been a
                                great EU president, but the French put paid to him. I also like Gianfranci Fini
                                in Italy. Sarkozy; maybe, but he's French!

                                Wasn't it 50 million Euros? Definite impeachment.
                                • usenetposts Re: Good Point 10.12.05, 23:50
                                  russh napisał:

                                  > It was said before - the EU presidents, by the very nature that they are
                                  chosen
                                  > ,
                                  > are not the men for the job.
                                  >
                                  > Portillo - like him, although I thought that Chris Patten would have been a
                                  > great EU president, but the French put paid to him.

                                  Yeah. I also think Patten is a good option.

                                  Although I think he was a little too much on the wet side of the party.

                                  > I also like Gianfranci Fini
                                  > in Italy. Sarkozy; maybe, but he's French!

                                  True. But he obviously has other bits mixed in. Sarkozy doesn't look like a
                                  French name, it's got a "K" in it. If he were a real Frenchy it would be
                                  Sar'quoisiseieux or some nonsense like that.

                                  If you'll excuse the Sarquastisisme.


                                  > Wasn't it 50 million Euros? Definite impeachment.

                                  I thought it was 55, but I'm an accountant, so I don't have a head for figures;
                                  they're too much like work.

                                  Indeed he should be impeached. The EU probably has a peach mountain, time to
                                  put it to good use.
    • russh This is what I mean by pc crazy in the UK 07.12.05, 13:28
      A mother accused her daughter's school of discriminating against Christians
      yesterday after the teenager was suspended for refusing to take off a crucifix
      necklace.


      Sam Morris, 16, was sent home from Sinfin Community School in Derby for breaking
      a school policy that bans jewellery.
      Last night her mother, Debra, said that Sikh children were allowed to wear a
      steel bracelet, known as a kara, for religious reasons and said her daughter had
      every right to express her faith.
      Education officials were unrepentant, however, and said that Sikhs are required
      by religion to wear items of jewellery, whereas Christians are not.
      Mrs Morris, 37, said: "Sam has worn this necklace for more than three years. No
      one has told her to take it off before, and she doesn't want to remove it.
      "She thinks it's very unfair when other people are allowed to wear religious
      symbols. It just ends up creating a divide between the pupils.
      "Everyone is being told that they should be living in unity, but this rule is
      not right. Sam has just as much right to celebrate her own religion."
      She said her daughter believed in God but did not regularly attend church.
      Miss Morris, who is studying for GCSEs, was told on Thursday by the deputy
      headmaster to remove the necklace. When she refused, she was sent home for the
      day and told not to return until she agrees not to wear it.
      Mrs Saunders, from Sinfin, said she allowed her daughter back to the 1,070-pupil
      comprehensive yesterday, minus the crucifix, because she did not want her to
      miss lessons.
      She said: "Sam needs to get her GCSEs so she can go on to college. Although I'm
      still furious, in the long run her future is more important. But I'm still angry."
      She said she will raise the matter with school governors.
      Howard Jones, the deputy head who sent Miss Morris home, said the one-day
      suspension was a "last resort" after a 30-minute conversation failed to persuade
      her to take it off.
      He said: "There was a long period of persuasion with her and she was given time.
      It was only at the end of that that I reluctantly had to exclude her for a day.
      I met her mother today and readmitted her daughter."
      He said the school policy was "even-handed and fair".
      He added: "As a Christian I don't have to wear a crucifix but Sikhs don't have
      that option and we have to be understanding. We live in a multi-faith society."
      Derby city council urged any school imposing such regulations to look carefully
      at individual circumstances before issuing a total ban.
      A spokesman said: "It is lawful to ban crucifixes while allowing other religious
      symbols, but whether it is desirable is another matter.
      "For some people wearing a crucifix could be a deeply religious gesture, which
      is why personal needs should be taken into account."
      • varsovian Re: This is what I mean by pc crazy in the UK 07.12.05, 13:44
        Oh I wish this one could be totally true, I do.
        But it isn't, and I'll tell you why -
        (i) the girl wore the necklace on public display ... outside her
        blouse/sweatshirt. This contravenes health and safety. No laughing matter.
        Schools don't allow dangly earrings for the same reason.
        (ii) the dispute stopped once she agreed to wear it down her blouse - a place
        few teachers would fear to tread ...
        (iii) the media is on the lookout for stories like this to inflame the current
        feelings of the indigenous population (who have been hard done by on a number
        of fronts and who have specialised in aiming at their own tootsies and blaming
        others).
        Usually, the story is "I've got a bloody stupid haircut and the effing school
        suspended me. Not fair!"
        • ianek70 Re: This is what I mean by pc crazy in the UK 07.12.05, 14:00
          varsovian napisał:

          > Oh I wish this one could be totally true, I do.
          > But it isn't, and I'll tell you why -
          > (i) the girl wore the necklace on public display ... outside her
          > blouse/sweatshirt. This contravenes health and safety. No laughing matter.
          > Schools don't allow dangly earrings for the same reason.
          > (ii) the dispute stopped once she agreed to wear it down her blouse - a place
          > few teachers would fear to tread ...
          > (iii) the media is on the lookout for stories like this

          That's probably true, so rather than dwell on teenagers' cleavages...
          Apparently, Sikhs' long hair isn't covered by the (theoretically OK but in
          reality obviously impractical and counterproductive) ban on religious symbols
          in French schools because it is a cultural and not a religious demand.
          • varsovian Re: This is what I mean by pc crazy in the UK 07.12.05, 15:02
            Sikh hair was a cause celebre back in the early 1970s when a young Sikh refused
            to wear a motorbike helmet and eventually won the right not to wear it.
            The problem with the foulard in France is where do you draw the line and,
            unfortunately, the Muslim religious nutcases have decided to go hell for
            leather in terms of provocation and their rejection of western culture. I feel
            sorry for the French as their state secularism has worked more or less OK with
            European and other immigrants for a long time and now they're faced with loons
            who actively pursue alienation.
          • russh Re: This is what I mean by pc crazy in the UK 07.12.05, 15:36
            It's true that the media is looking for stories like this one, but it is also
            true that the 'PC brigade', whoever they are (and I'm sure that they are not
            from the minorities that they are trying to appease), are creating a situation
            of great unrest. The feelings among many ordinary, non-racist,
            non-just-about-everything people are starting to boil. Unless something is done
            to stop this idiocy that seems to have started in the EU commission, but has now
            been taken over with a vengeance by the UK arm, I am fearful that there will be
            real blood on the streets.

            The pity will be that for the most part, most people do get on with their lives
            very well without being nannied, notwithstanding their race, colour or creed.
        • russh Re: This is what I mean by pc crazy in the UK 07.12.05, 15:14
          Are you sure that you are confusing this one with the story below? The info I
          have on the British story is different than your version. See link
          us.rediff.com/news/2005/dec/07cross.htm?q=np&file=.htm

          Texas student allowed to wear Christian crucifix
          DALLAS - A North Texas high school student whose family practices a Christian
          religion won the right Wednesday to wear her crucifix necklace in full view
          after appealing to the district superintendent.

          Waxahachie High School freshman Rebecca Moreno, suspended for wearing the
          jewelry, had been forced to wear it hidden under her blouse in order to return
          to class.

          In a letter to Moreno, 15, and her family, Waxahachie public school
          Superintendent Bobby Parker said that the district's policy protects all faiths.

          He also said he would recommend that the school board review the district's
          dress code to make sure religious expression or free speech is not restricted.

          "While the Christian faith may not be the majority religion in our community,
          our board policies protect all faiths," Parker wrote the Moreno family.

          Michael Linz, an attorney hired by the American Civil Liberties Union in Dallas
          to represent the family, praised the decision.

          "The superintendent's opinion is what I had hoped for," Linz told The Dallas
          Morning News for its Wednesday editions.

          The teen was twice suspended from Waxahachie High for wearing the crucifix, a
          cross depicting the execution of the Christian god, because school officials
          said she violated school policy.

          The policy classifies jewelry that features the crucifix, swastika and
          drug-oriented symbols as potentially disruptive to the educational environment.

          Last week, school officials softened their position and let Rebecca was to
          return classes if she agreed to wear the crucifix inside her clothing.
          • varsovian Re: This is what I mean by pc crazy in the UK 07.12.05, 16:00
            I didn't know the US story - I watched an English telly interview with the
            young lady. She looked fairly straight down the line - just had that sort of
            decent youthful extremism which is not a bad thing. She said she felt
            Christian and wanted to show it.
      • nasza_maggie Re: This is what I mean by pc crazy in the UK 07.12.05, 15:58
        uk.messages.news.yahoo.com/Domestic/threadview?bn=UK-NEWS-DOM-regions&tid=1909&mid=1909&tof=1&m=tm&rt=2

        hmmmm.....
        • ianek70 All religions should be treated equally 07.12.05, 16:11
          Like in China.
          • varsovian Re: All religions should be treated equally 07.12.05, 16:40
            Positive discrimination.
            My wife - Polish, minority in West Yorkshire - sought financial help with
            teaching studies in the UK under a scheme to encourage ethnic minorities to
            become teachers. Application denied, as she wasn't the right sort of ethnic
            minority. To my knowledge, they also denied Kazachs - who also happened to be
            Muslim too.
            For the record, the qualifying minorities were: Indian sub-continent, Afro-
            Carribean (not African) and Chinese.
            • russh Re: All religions should be treated equally 07.12.05, 18:55
              I can understand positive discrimination, even though I may not agree in its use
              with the particular example you have given (in the sense that I believe that
              education in the UK does not NEED ethnic minority teachers). There is a shortage
              of teachers I believe, so there should be an general incentive to prospective
              entrants to the profession (not just to ethnic minorities); namely pay them
              better, train them better, and give them the tools to do their job properly.

              I think I am currently in the minority in thinking that selective positive
              discrimination is required in order to help eliminate certain traditional social
              injustices (e.g. women in politics), or where there are obvious needs (e.g.
              ensuring that the handicapped have a chance of employment). I do not think it
              should be made on racial or religious grounds, as I think that there is adequate
              legislation, if used properly, to keep discrimination of this type to a minimum.

              My feeling is that it has become a lifetime's work for some people, to the
              absolute detriment of UK society as a whole, and instead of aiding multicultural
              harmony, is destroying it. The country's traditional values, and in fact it's
              traditions, are being taken away. The 'indigenous' (if there are any) English
              people are beginning, rightfully, to revolt.
          • chomskybornagain1 Re: All religions should be treated equally 07.12.05, 17:12
            kept under the government's foot you mean?
            • gosicajeje Re: All religions should be treated equally 07.12.05, 22:26
              Btw, Chomskybornagain - you probably don't realize that but Chomsky (the real
              Chomsky) is still alive and wellsmile
            • ianek70 Re: All religions should be treated equally 08.12.05, 19:28
              chomskybornagain1 napisał:

              > kept under the government's foot you mean?

              It's only common sense.
              They'll appreciate the next world better if we make them miserable in this one.
              • ianek70 But on the other hand... 10.12.05, 15:10
                ianek70 napisał:

                > chomskybornagain1 napisał:
                >
                > > kept under the government's foot you mean?
                >
                > It's only common sense.

                Actually, privatising religious persecution might make it more cost-effective.
                But there should still be some form of regulatory procedure to ensure it's done
                fairly.
                • ianek70 Although... 21.12.05, 15:03
                  news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=297&id=407872005

                  Hmmm...
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