irony

23.11.05, 18:24
do you think Poles get it?smile)

Sarcasm is an everyday occurance - without the humour, that issmile)
    • waldek1610 Re: irony 24.11.05, 09:14
      If Poles lived on the island, spending afternoods sipping tea with their
      pinkies in the air, and if they were generaly left alone do subjicate wild
      tribes overseas.....then they would have a humour too.....


      PS. Sarcasm is the natural response to abuse, just as apaty is the response to
      access of pain.
      • ianek70 Re: irony 25.11.05, 09:50
        waldek1610 napisał:

        > If Poles lived on the island, spending afternoods sipping tea with their
        > pinkies in the air, and if they were generaly left alone do subjicate wild
        > tribes overseas.....then they would have a humour too.....
        >
        >
        > PS. Sarcasm is the natural response to abuse, just as apaty is the response
        to
        > access of pain.

        Oh, that's a clever response.
        • usenetposts Re: irony 25.11.05, 11:17
          ianek70 napisał:

          > waldek1610 napisał:
          >
          > > If Poles lived on the island, spending afternoods sipping tea with their
          > > pinkies in the air, and if they were generaly left alone do subjicate wil
          > d
          > > tribes overseas.....then they would have a humour too.....
          > >
          > >
          > > PS. Sarcasm is the natural response to abuse, just as apaty is the respon
          > se
          > to
          > > access of pain.
          >
          > Oh, that's a clever response.

          Heh heh. Very "a propos".
          • waldek1610 Re: irony 25.11.05, 11:31
            I guess..Thank's sir!

            There's a reason for everything, you can only imagine where would our Poland be
            know if our forefathers were not stupid enough to settle in the center of
            Europe. Propably now the official language of USA and half of Africa would be
            polish. With all respects..
            • usenetposts Re: irony 25.11.05, 11:41
              There's nothing controversial in what you just said. Geography is a major
              factor in determining the development of nations. Especially the human
              geography of what nations you are between.

              Poland did very well even to survive, bearing in mind that they are between
              Germany and Russia. Some nations in that situation, of which the Basques, the
              Sikhs and the Kurds spring to mind, have never even managed to achieve a nation
              status. Each of these three would have been a nation, but they were sandwiched
              between more powerful nations.

              Britain's pre-eminence in empire building for several centuries of the last
              millennium, of which the fact that we are most able on a group like this in
              English is one of the most lasting benefits, was due to our location vis a vis
              the ocean, but this would not have helped us if we had carried on trying to be
              involved in the European power struggle, which was all that Henry VIII was
              interested in. Thankfully, his daughter Elizabeth I had more of a world vision.
              Had that not been the case, we would be all speaking Spanish now.

              Theh theh theh theh theh theh theh. Boutros Boutros Ghali.
              • waldek1610 Re: irony 25.11.05, 12:00
                usenetposts napisał:

                > Poland did very well even to survive, bearing in mind that they are between
                > Germany and Russia.

                Ok, but Germany shares Poland's central european location, it too was always
                stuck between always strong France, and alternately strong Russia and Poland.
                It's unfortunate that Poles were expanding eastward, I think we suppose to
                subjcate Germans before they did us...As you know Poland ruled Russia from 1610-
                13 but there was no resolve to stay there. This way Poland would spread from
                Szczecin to Kamczatka..

                Britain was in fact very fortunate to have a uniquely advantagous location, but
                you didn't manage to keep your colonies but some prestige remains..
                • ianek70 Re: irony 25.11.05, 12:09
                  The reason the Slavs came to Europe in the first place was that the Mighty
                  Mongols said, "Bugger off, these are our steppes now."
                  • waldek1610 Re: irony 25.11.05, 12:35
                    ianek70 napisał:

                    > The reason the Slavs came to Europe in the first place was that the Mighty
                    > Mongols said, "Bugger off, these are our steppes now."

                    Maybe...but Germanic tribes, Celts and Vikings all came form Asia as far as I'm
                    concerned.
    • russh Re: irony 25.11.05, 10:50
      Dave, one for you.

      Who was it that said 'sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of
      vulgarity'?

      Always loved the phrase, never known who to attribute it to.

      Re the original question, judging by the number of Poles I meet who love Monty
      Pythons and Fawlty Towers, they get it.
    • ianek70 Re: irony 25.11.05, 12:47
      nasza_maggie napisała:

      > do you think Poles get it?smile)

      Well, an interesting example of irony is this post, wherein a boy asks a
      reasonably intelligent question, then gives a link to a forum where he is
      routinely ridiculed and insulted...
      forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=29887&w=32233751&a=32510242
      smile
      • ianek70 Bugger, I got that one wrong as well 25.11.05, 12:51
        should've been

        forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html/f=517&w=32512163

        Apologies to some of those concerned...
        • ianek70 And now, ironically, it doesn't work :-( 25.11.05, 12:54
          It was meant to be a link to waldek1610's question about integrity on the
          English Only forum.
          Oh, well, it wasn't that interesting anyway.
          • russh Re: And now, ironically, it doesn't work :-( 25.11.05, 13:23
            Try this one.

            forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=517&w=32512163
      • waldek1610 "insults and ridicule"- price of the genius..... 26.11.05, 07:14
        What is realy ironic is that, one of the most "ridiculed and insulted" people
        were certain mrCopernicus, Darwin, Manet, even Chopin (in his early days) it
        just happens that whey were all geniuses...

        You see people do not ridicule stupid people, as you trying to imply. "Insults
        and ridicule" are also the fare of acomplished statemen and powerful folks;
        George Bush and Lech Walesa just to name the few. Call it the price of the
        genius.

        Consider me big-headed if you want, but you brought up the idea first.
        That...my friend is really ironic!
        • russh Re: "insults and ridicule"- price of the genius.. 26.11.05, 10:18
          Not bad Waldek.

          You's learning.
        • ianek70 Re: "insults and ridicule"- price of the genius.. 26.11.05, 14:56
          waldek1610 napisał:

          > What is realy ironic is that, one of the most "ridiculed and insulted" people
          > were certain mrCopernicus,
          Darwin, Manet, even Chopin (in his early days) it
          > just happens that whey were all geniuses...

          That's not actually irony, that's just a case of people being ahead of their
          time, either in terms of scientific knowledge or artistic creativity.
          Maybe they laughed at Chopin, but they laughed at Ich Troje as well, so is
          Wiśniewski a genius?

          > You see people do not ridicule stupid people, as you trying to imply.

          I'm not trying to imply you're stupid, just that you don't know what you're
          talking about. It's not the same.

          "Insults
          > and ridicule" are also the fare of acomplished statemen and powerful folks;
          > George Bush

          So you see, not just geniuses...

          > Consider me big-headed if you want

          OK, thanks. I will.
          • waldek1610 Re: "insults and ridicule"- price of the genius.. 27.11.05, 07:18
            Ianek, if you want to quote me, quote my entire sentences...don't trim and
            alter my posts, to suite your purpose.

            In other words; "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch"....



            PS. Mr. Wisniewski might not be a genius, thats for certain. I would put him in
            the "influential people" group, but he still makes money and has a large
            following. Even if you consider those folks not the brightest in the world,
            this guy suites their musical tastes and speaks for them, regardles how simple
            and unrefined you find them.
            • ianek70 Re: "insults and ridicule"- price of the genius.. 27.11.05, 10:49
              waldek1610 napisał:

              > Ianek, if you want to quote me, quote my entire sentences...don't trim and
              > alter my posts, to suite your purpose.

              I'll use quotes as long or as short as is relevant.

              > In other words; "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch"....

              In your last post you were a genius on a par with George Bush, and now you're
              merely a large furry quadruped? Make up your mind.
              • waldek1610 Re: "insults and ridicule"- price of the genius.. 27.11.05, 11:26
                ianek70 napisał:

                > I'll use quotes as long or as short as is relevant.


                Great idea, this way when Iranian president says; "We have no intention of
                attacing US"... you can throw out just one word "no", and there you go!
                Everybody thinks that Iran is about to attack the US....

                > > In other words; "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch"..
                > ..
                >
                > In your last post you were a genius on a par with George Bush, and now you're
                > merely a large furry quadruped? Make up your mind.

                Not funny. I need to explain again, the "big dogs" is synonimous with "the best
                in their game" For example the "big dogs" of world politics woul be; the USA,
                China, EU or Russia, thus the "big dogs" of international footbal are; Brasil,
                Argentina or Italy...
                • ianek70 Re: "insults and ridicule"- price of the genius.. 27.11.05, 12:24
                  waldek1610 napisał:

                  > ianek70 napisał:
                  >
                  > > I'll use quotes as long or as short as is relevant.
                  >
                  >
                  > Great idea, this way when Iranian president says; "We have no intention of
                  > attacing US"... you can throw out just one word "no", and there you go!
                  > Everybody thinks that Iran is about to attack the US....

                  So, to comment on one sentence or statement I have to quote your entire post?
                  Life's too short.
                  I didn't edit your statement to change the meaning, as in your example about
                  Iran. But even in that case, "We have intention of attacking US" would be just
                  as ungrammatical as, for example, "price of the genius", so the world wouldn't
                  lose any sleep over it.

                  > Not funny. I need to explain again, the "big dogs" is synonimous with "the
                  best
                  >
                  > in their game" For example the "big dogs" of world politics woul be; the USA,
                  > China, EU or Russia, thus the "big dogs" of international footbal are;
                  Brasil,
                  > Argentina or Italy...

                  No, you don't have to explain again. Can you see the word "irony" written near
                  the top of the screen?
      • usenetposts Re: irony 27.11.05, 03:27
        ianek70 napisał:

        > nasza_maggie napisała:
        >
        > > do you think Poles get it?smile)
        >
        > Well, an interesting example of irony is this post, wherein a boy asks a
        > reasonably intelligent question, then gives a link to a forum where he is
        > routinely ridiculed and insulted...
        > forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=29887&w=32233751&a=32510242
        > smile

        Heh heh heh heh. Well spotted.
        • waldek1610 Pole's sense of .....irony 27.11.05, 07:38
          usenetposts napisał:

          > ianek70 napisał:
          >
          > > nasza_maggie napisała:
          > >
          > > > do you think Poles get it?smile)

          > Heh heh heh heh. Well spotted.
          >

          You both guy should know better. Polish people sense of humour is in fact more
          based on irony, largely due to polish- psyche which in turn is rotted in geo-
          political circuimstances. That's why poles never simply engage in "smal talk"
          as british and americans do... nor joke about simple things.

          Poles' sence of humour was the means of beating the tought times, and therefore
          most polish jokes are situational, meant to ridicule people with power...
          (meaning foreign occupiers and authority). British on the other hand tend to
          make play of words, hence you got pure humour...

          To me, to come out(as Nasza Maggie did) and say that; "Poles don't just get",
          that..."don't have a sense of humor just pure irony" it is just outright silly,
          and the sign of lack of education in that area.

          People do things for a reason, you might think that "rusian czapka" looks silly
          unless you go to Moscow or Siberia during winter...then you will learn that
          wearing silly looking hat is in fact very smart....
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