nasza_maggie 23.11.05, 18:24 do you think Poles get it?) Sarcasm is an everyday occurance - without the humour, that is) Odpowiedz Link czytaj wygodnie posty
waldek1610 Re: irony 24.11.05, 09:14 If Poles lived on the island, spending afternoods sipping tea with their pinkies in the air, and if they were generaly left alone do subjicate wild tribes overseas.....then they would have a humour too..... PS. Sarcasm is the natural response to abuse, just as apaty is the response to access of pain. Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: irony 25.11.05, 09:50 waldek1610 napisał: > If Poles lived on the island, spending afternoods sipping tea with their > pinkies in the air, and if they were generaly left alone do subjicate wild > tribes overseas.....then they would have a humour too..... > > > PS. Sarcasm is the natural response to abuse, just as apaty is the response to > access of pain. Oh, that's a clever response. Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: irony 25.11.05, 11:17 ianek70 napisał: > waldek1610 napisał: > > > If Poles lived on the island, spending afternoods sipping tea with their > > pinkies in the air, and if they were generaly left alone do subjicate wil > d > > tribes overseas.....then they would have a humour too..... > > > > > > PS. Sarcasm is the natural response to abuse, just as apaty is the respon > se > to > > access of pain. > > Oh, that's a clever response. Heh heh. Very "a propos". Odpowiedz Link
waldek1610 Re: irony 25.11.05, 11:31 I guess..Thank's sir! There's a reason for everything, you can only imagine where would our Poland be know if our forefathers were not stupid enough to settle in the center of Europe. Propably now the official language of USA and half of Africa would be polish. With all respects.. Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: irony 25.11.05, 11:41 There's nothing controversial in what you just said. Geography is a major factor in determining the development of nations. Especially the human geography of what nations you are between. Poland did very well even to survive, bearing in mind that they are between Germany and Russia. Some nations in that situation, of which the Basques, the Sikhs and the Kurds spring to mind, have never even managed to achieve a nation status. Each of these three would have been a nation, but they were sandwiched between more powerful nations. Britain's pre-eminence in empire building for several centuries of the last millennium, of which the fact that we are most able on a group like this in English is one of the most lasting benefits, was due to our location vis a vis the ocean, but this would not have helped us if we had carried on trying to be involved in the European power struggle, which was all that Henry VIII was interested in. Thankfully, his daughter Elizabeth I had more of a world vision. Had that not been the case, we would be all speaking Spanish now. Theh theh theh theh theh theh theh. Boutros Boutros Ghali. Odpowiedz Link
waldek1610 Re: irony 25.11.05, 12:00 usenetposts napisał: > Poland did very well even to survive, bearing in mind that they are between > Germany and Russia. Ok, but Germany shares Poland's central european location, it too was always stuck between always strong France, and alternately strong Russia and Poland. It's unfortunate that Poles were expanding eastward, I think we suppose to subjcate Germans before they did us...As you know Poland ruled Russia from 1610- 13 but there was no resolve to stay there. This way Poland would spread from Szczecin to Kamczatka.. Britain was in fact very fortunate to have a uniquely advantagous location, but you didn't manage to keep your colonies but some prestige remains.. Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: irony 25.11.05, 12:09 The reason the Slavs came to Europe in the first place was that the Mighty Mongols said, "Bugger off, these are our steppes now." Odpowiedz Link
waldek1610 Re: irony 25.11.05, 12:35 ianek70 napisał: > The reason the Slavs came to Europe in the first place was that the Mighty > Mongols said, "Bugger off, these are our steppes now." Maybe...but Germanic tribes, Celts and Vikings all came form Asia as far as I'm concerned. Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: irony 25.11.05, 10:50 Dave, one for you. Who was it that said 'sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of vulgarity'? Always loved the phrase, never known who to attribute it to. Re the original question, judging by the number of Poles I meet who love Monty Pythons and Fawlty Towers, they get it. Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: irony 25.11.05, 12:47 nasza_maggie napisała: > do you think Poles get it?) Well, an interesting example of irony is this post, wherein a boy asks a reasonably intelligent question, then gives a link to a forum where he is routinely ridiculed and insulted... forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=29887&w=32233751&a=32510242 Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Bugger, I got that one wrong as well 25.11.05, 12:51 should've been forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html/f=517&w=32512163 Apologies to some of those concerned... Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 And now, ironically, it doesn't work :-( 25.11.05, 12:54 It was meant to be a link to waldek1610's question about integrity on the English Only forum. Oh, well, it wasn't that interesting anyway. Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: And now, ironically, it doesn't work :-( 25.11.05, 13:23 Try this one. forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=517&w=32512163 Odpowiedz Link
waldek1610 "insults and ridicule"- price of the genius..... 26.11.05, 07:14 What is realy ironic is that, one of the most "ridiculed and insulted" people were certain mrCopernicus, Darwin, Manet, even Chopin (in his early days) it just happens that whey were all geniuses... You see people do not ridicule stupid people, as you trying to imply. "Insults and ridicule" are also the fare of acomplished statemen and powerful folks; George Bush and Lech Walesa just to name the few. Call it the price of the genius. Consider me big-headed if you want, but you brought up the idea first. That...my friend is really ironic! Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: "insults and ridicule"- price of the genius.. 26.11.05, 10:18 Not bad Waldek. You's learning. Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: "insults and ridicule"- price of the genius.. 26.11.05, 14:56 waldek1610 napisał: > What is realy ironic is that, one of the most "ridiculed and insulted" people > were certain mrCopernicus, Darwin, Manet, even Chopin (in his early days) it > just happens that whey were all geniuses... That's not actually irony, that's just a case of people being ahead of their time, either in terms of scientific knowledge or artistic creativity. Maybe they laughed at Chopin, but they laughed at Ich Troje as well, so is Wiśniewski a genius? > You see people do not ridicule stupid people, as you trying to imply. I'm not trying to imply you're stupid, just that you don't know what you're talking about. It's not the same. "Insults > and ridicule" are also the fare of acomplished statemen and powerful folks; > George Bush So you see, not just geniuses... > Consider me big-headed if you want OK, thanks. I will. Odpowiedz Link
waldek1610 Re: "insults and ridicule"- price of the genius.. 27.11.05, 07:18 Ianek, if you want to quote me, quote my entire sentences...don't trim and alter my posts, to suite your purpose. In other words; "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch".... PS. Mr. Wisniewski might not be a genius, thats for certain. I would put him in the "influential people" group, but he still makes money and has a large following. Even if you consider those folks not the brightest in the world, this guy suites their musical tastes and speaks for them, regardles how simple and unrefined you find them. Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: "insults and ridicule"- price of the genius.. 27.11.05, 10:49 waldek1610 napisał: > Ianek, if you want to quote me, quote my entire sentences...don't trim and > alter my posts, to suite your purpose. I'll use quotes as long or as short as is relevant. > In other words; "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch".... In your last post you were a genius on a par with George Bush, and now you're merely a large furry quadruped? Make up your mind. Odpowiedz Link
waldek1610 Re: "insults and ridicule"- price of the genius.. 27.11.05, 11:26 ianek70 napisał: > I'll use quotes as long or as short as is relevant. Great idea, this way when Iranian president says; "We have no intention of attacing US"... you can throw out just one word "no", and there you go! Everybody thinks that Iran is about to attack the US.... > > In other words; "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch".. > .. > > In your last post you were a genius on a par with George Bush, and now you're > merely a large furry quadruped? Make up your mind. Not funny. I need to explain again, the "big dogs" is synonimous with "the best in their game" For example the "big dogs" of world politics woul be; the USA, China, EU or Russia, thus the "big dogs" of international footbal are; Brasil, Argentina or Italy... Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: "insults and ridicule"- price of the genius.. 27.11.05, 12:24 waldek1610 napisał: > ianek70 napisał: > > > I'll use quotes as long or as short as is relevant. > > > Great idea, this way when Iranian president says; "We have no intention of > attacing US"... you can throw out just one word "no", and there you go! > Everybody thinks that Iran is about to attack the US.... So, to comment on one sentence or statement I have to quote your entire post? Life's too short. I didn't edit your statement to change the meaning, as in your example about Iran. But even in that case, "We have intention of attacking US" would be just as ungrammatical as, for example, "price of the genius", so the world wouldn't lose any sleep over it. > Not funny. I need to explain again, the "big dogs" is synonimous with "the best > > in their game" For example the "big dogs" of world politics woul be; the USA, > China, EU or Russia, thus the "big dogs" of international footbal are; Brasil, > Argentina or Italy... No, you don't have to explain again. Can you see the word "irony" written near the top of the screen? Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: irony 27.11.05, 03:27 ianek70 napisał: > nasza_maggie napisała: > > > do you think Poles get it?) > > Well, an interesting example of irony is this post, wherein a boy asks a > reasonably intelligent question, then gives a link to a forum where he is > routinely ridiculed and insulted... > forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=29887&w=32233751&a=32510242 > Heh heh heh heh. Well spotted. Odpowiedz Link
waldek1610 Pole's sense of .....irony 27.11.05, 07:38 usenetposts napisał: > ianek70 napisał: > > > nasza_maggie napisała: > > > > > do you think Poles get it?) > Heh heh heh heh. Well spotted. > You both guy should know better. Polish people sense of humour is in fact more based on irony, largely due to polish- psyche which in turn is rotted in geo- political circuimstances. That's why poles never simply engage in "smal talk" as british and americans do... nor joke about simple things. Poles' sence of humour was the means of beating the tought times, and therefore most polish jokes are situational, meant to ridicule people with power... (meaning foreign occupiers and authority). British on the other hand tend to make play of words, hence you got pure humour... To me, to come out(as Nasza Maggie did) and say that; "Poles don't just get", that..."don't have a sense of humor just pure irony" it is just outright silly, and the sign of lack of education in that area. People do things for a reason, you might think that "rusian czapka" looks silly unless you go to Moscow or Siberia during winter...then you will learn that wearing silly looking hat is in fact very smart.... Odpowiedz Link