British Commonwealth summit-all present!except USA

28.11.05, 08:10
In last few days we witnessed another British Commonwealth summit, this time
in Malta, all 53 leaders of the countries- the former British collonies From
Australia to Zambia were present, except.....the USA.

This I find funny, because the cause of the absence of Geroge W. Bush is so
simplistic...sort of like; Frederic Chopin's (in his later years) reason for
skipping "masters" Kalkenberger or Mosheles' concerts. You ask Kalke...who's
concert???

Exactly!

    • waldek1610 Ok, I admit I was too tough on our Brit friends... 01.12.05, 06:28
      but, writing this I already reconsidered... because I just remembered British
      holding on tightly to their "rabate" while trying to cut subsidies to its
      poorer EU friend -Poland...
      • usenetposts Re: Ok, I admit I was too tough on our Brit frien 06.12.05, 21:00
        We're holding onto the rebate so that we can aford to employ more of your
        countrymen and teach them the management skills they vainly crave.

        An investment in Britain IS an investment in Poland. You can say the same for
        Ireland to be frank, they should get a grant also.

        I do think that Poland deserves a cut though. Failure to upset and burn any
        cars last month on your part led to the quite correct decision by Burly Barroso
        to give some of your money to the Frogs' towelheads, as they clearly need it
        more than you do.

        If you want the funding, better get some Poles in London and Brussels
        protesting for it.

        You don't just deserve money in this glorious EU, you have to earn it by
        running your mouth off at the media and burning a few vehicles.
        • waldek1610 Re: Ok, I admit I was too tough on our Brit frien 08.12.05, 07:56
          usenetposts napisał:

          > We're holding onto the rebate so that we can aford to employ more of your
          > countrymen and teach them the management skills they vainly crave.
          > An investment in Britain IS an investment in Poland.

          They even have a word for it..it is called hyporicy... I rely hear such
          nonsense. Brits do not have to invest a single british pound in order to employ
          polish workers, even those on the managerial level. They use workers from
          Poland simply because they are cheaper and...very competetive.

          > You can say the same for
          > Ireland to be frank, they should get a grant also.
          >
          > I do think that Poland deserves a cut though. Failure to upset and burn any
          > cars last month on your part led to the quite correct decision by Burly
          Barroso
          >
          > to give some of your money to the Frogs' towelheads, as they clearly need it
          > more than you do.

          Oh I'm sure that the Parisian muslims need subsidising and development much
          more than the dirt poor in the eastern part of Poland... Giving money to France
          by EU parliment; is like treating the light bruises on the french patient,
          while pole who has a stroke is left to die. I'm quite certaing that "old" EU
          members don't care about anything but themselves.

          > If you want the funding, better get some Poles in London and Brussels
          > protesting for it.
          >
          > You don't just deserve money in this glorious EU, you have to earn it by
          > running your mouth off at the media and burning a few vehicles.

          I tend to agree with you. Any coments on the absense of the USA in
          British "Commonwealth" (former collonies)?
          • russh Re: Ok, I admit I was too tough on our Brit frien 08.12.05, 10:34
            What is there to say?
            • varsovian Re: Ok, I admit I was too tough on our Brit frien 08.12.05, 11:01
              I think what he is trying to say is "Don't you mourn the passing of the British
              Empire?"
              If that were his plan, it would be quite funny and would be a sure sign of
              cultural ignorance. I don't know about you, but I don't have a particularly
              positive view on our colonialist history. I tend to treat British history
              rather impassively ... a bit like errr, well, history. It happened - some
              good, some bad, but mostly just money and guns talking.
              Obviously, there are certain events Brits could be proud of - Nelson, Wolfe and
              Wellington (on the battlefield, not domestically) spring to mind - but on the
              whole we don't celebrate them. Perhaps we should, but only occasionally.
              • russh Re: Ok, I admit I was too tough on our Brit frien 08.12.05, 12:05
                100% agreed.

                We learn about our history in school, like every other people. There are things
                that can make us proud of our ancesters, and things that can make us ashamed of
                them; but it was a long time ago! Not my doing! Not yours!

                I think there are things that should be remembered forever - such as the world
                wars. Not to celebrate them, but to commemorate them, and hope that the
                commemoration serves to advise each generation the follies of mankind. The rest,
                learn about them, then leave them in the archive.

                As you say, I think that Waldek fails to understand us.

                • waldek1610 Re: Ok, I admit I was too tough on our Brit frien 09.12.05, 07:21
                  russh napisał:

                  > I think there are things that should be remembered forever - such as the world
                  > wars. Not to celebrate them, but to commemorate them, and hope that the
                  > commemoration serves to advise each generation the follies of mankind. The
                  > rest,learn about them, then leave them in the archive.
                  > As you say, I think that Waldek fails to understand us.

                  You mean I don't understand british culture, just as the the brits dont
                  understand poles? (For expample why do brits sign allience treaty with Poland
                  in 1920'ties and in 1939 when Poland actually needs help Brits say; "we are not
                  willing to die for Gdansk (Danzig)....
              • waldek1610 Re: Ok, I admit I was too tough on our Brit frien 09.12.05, 07:16
                varsovian napisał:

                > I think what he is trying to say is "Don't you mourn the passing of the
                > British Empire?"


                Bingo!
          • usenetposts Re: Ok, I admit I was too tough on our Brit frien 09.12.05, 13:00
            waldek1610 napisał:

            > usenetposts napisał:
            >
            > > We're holding onto the rebate so that we can aford to employ more of your
            >
            > > countrymen and teach them the management skills they vainly crave.
            > > An investment in Britain IS an investment in Poland.
            >
            > They even have a word for it..it is called hyporicy... I rely hear such
            > nonsense. Brits do not have to invest a single british pound in order to
            employ
            >
            > polish workers, even those on the managerial level. They use workers from
            > Poland simply because they are cheaper and...very competetive.

            They are not in fact cheaper than the Moslims working in the UK, it's just
            they're not plotting to bomb our asses off and stab us in the back with a big
            kinjaal while we employ them.

            >
            > > You can say the same for
            > > Ireland to be frank, they should get a grant also.
            > >
            > > I do think that Poland deserves a cut though. Failure to upset and burn a
            > ny
            > > cars last month on your part led to the quite correct decision by Burly
            > Barroso
            > >
            > > to give some of your money to the Frogs' towelheads, as they clearly need
            > it
            > > more than you do.
            >
            > Oh I'm sure that the Parisian muslims need subsidising and development much
            > more than the dirt poor in the eastern part of Poland... Giving money to
            France
            >
            > by EU parliment; is like treating the light bruises on the french patient,
            > while pole who has a stroke is left to die. I'm quite certaing that "old" EU
            > members don't care about anything but themselves.

            Well, France certainly doesn't. If they could be a little less "egoiste" then
            it would make sense for more of us to be that way. As it is, if we were not
            looking out for our interests, the French would be the first to take advantage.

            >
            > > If you want the funding, better get some Poles in London and Brussels
            > > protesting for it.
            > >
            > > You don't just deserve money in this glorious EU, you have to earn it by
            > > running your mouth off at the media and burning a few vehicles.
            >
            > I tend to agree with you. Any coments on the absense of the USA in
            > British "Commonwealth" (former collonies)?

            They don't like to admit that they are former colonies. They don't like
            remembering that. All I can say is, that denial is not a River in Africa, it
            doesn't just disappear in the dry season.

            Obviously they are an ex-colony. It wouldn't hurt them to admit to a closer
            relationship with our crown. Even the president GWB is a blood relative of the
            House of Windsor. But they have their complexes, and even now that they are the
            dominant country, it seems that they still have them.
            • waldek1610 Re: Ok, I admit I was too tough on our Brit frien 10.12.05, 07:55
              usenetposts napisał:


              > > I tend to agree with you. Any coments on the absense of the USA in
              > > British "Commonwealth" (former collonies)?
              >
              > They don't like to admit that they are former colonies.
              > Obviously they are an ex-colony. It wouldn't hurt them to admit to a closer
              > relationship with our crown. Even the president GWB is a blood relative of
              the
              > House of Windsor. But they have their complexes, and even now that they are
              the
              >
              > dominant country, it seems that they still have them.

              The same way Russia still can not forget that Poles took Moscow way back in
              1610-1613...and they new national holiday that replaced November Revolution
              holiday is.....the holiday that commemorates end of polish occupation of
              Russia.....(which is funny, because even poles almost forgot it).

              There's a lot of correlation between Britain-USA and Poland-Russia historical
              ties, in both cases both Britain and Poland were more advanced and powerful in
              the past, now Russia and USA..
              • usenetposts Re: Ok, I admit I was too tough on our Brit frien 11.12.05, 00:09
                waldek1610 napisał:

                > usenetposts napisał:
                >
                >
                > > > I tend to agree with you. Any coments on the absense of the USA in
                > > > British "Commonwealth" (former collonies)?
                > >
                > > They don't like to admit that they are former colonies.
                > > Obviously they are an ex-colony. It wouldn't hurt them to admit to a clos
                > er
                > > relationship with our crown. Even the president GWB is a blood relative o
                > f
                > the
                > > House of Windsor. But they have their complexes, and even now that they a
                > re
                > the
                > >
                > > dominant country, it seems that they still have them.
                >
                > The same way Russia still can not forget that Poles took Moscow way back in
                > 1610-1613...and they new national holiday that replaced November Revolution
                > holiday is.....the holiday that commemorates end of polish occupation of
                > Russia.....(which is funny, because even poles almost forgot it).
                >
                > There's a lot of correlation between Britain-USA and Poland-Russia historical
                > ties, in both cases both Britain and Poland were more advanced and powerful
                in
                > the past, now Russia and USA..


                Yeah, I accept that there's a lot of truth in the analogy, with the proviso of
                course that the UK and the USA have the same language. This generally makes us
                a bit nearer to them that Poland is to Russia. Also the catholic/orthodox
                divide and the fact of them having been the originators of communism and having
                occupied Poland make relations more tense.

                Nevertheless, Poland could benefit by being the EU's bridge into Russia the way
                Britain benefits by being the EU's bridge into the USA.

                But for that to happen, a lot of diplomacy would have to take place first.

                In fact, the Poles and the Russians are too similar to each other to get on,
                and neither will admit how similar the other is.
                • waldek1610 Re: Ok, I admit I was too tough on our Brit frien 11.12.05, 07:14
                  usenetposts napisał:

                  > Nevertheless, Poland could benefit by being the EU's bridge into Russia the
                  > way Britain benefits by being the EU's bridge into the USA.
                  > But for that to happen, a lot of diplomacy would have to take place first.


                  Theoreticaly it seems logical, but Russia under Putin does what it can to
                  bypass Poland, especialy when Poland's international importance rose after it
                  became important voice in NATO and EU.

                  There's ancient rivarly going on between two countries, and Russia is not very
                  found on fact that Poland keeps stepping out in the front of the "slavic"
                  column. We poles are "inconvenient" for russians in their dealings with the
                  west because we can better sense their bad intentions...


                  > In fact, the Poles and the Russians are too similar to each other to get on,
                  > and neither will admit how similar the other is.

                  That similarity..seems to be the problem. We both slavs... and both show
                  leadership...and that's way too much that Russia can ingest. On the
                  civilizational and ideological level Poles are closer much to USA that
                  Russia..the fact that Russian's hate, calling poles "sell-outs"...But why we
                  should follow Russia if nothing good comes out of that land, only trouble and
                  suffering.
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