varsovian 06.12.05, 11:13 Can someone draw up a list of topics that you can't talk about with Poles? Odpowiedz Link czytaj wygodnie posty
nasza_maggie Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 06.12.05, 12:12 'zee germans' )) why do you ask? Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 06.12.05, 14:10 Funny, I'd have thought the same, but; Many of the older folk I've talked to (via my Wifes translation) have surprisingly given a good account of the Germans during the war, and very dispariging or worse about both the Russians and the Jews. I can understand the feelings about the Russians (and this obviously dates back a long time), and have some sympathy in relation to the Jews (not in an anti-semitic way); I cannot understand feelings towards Germany that are not similar to those of the Jews. Have I been meeting the wrong people, or can someone explain? Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 06.12.05, 13:15 Their dead pope, unless you liked him. Basically the religious hypocrisy of most Poles is a taboo, so avoid any discussion of religion. I've to spend a weekend with my girlfriend's family, and I've already been given a list of things not to say or do. 1. Don't express any opinion about the last pope. 2. Don't get drunk. 3. Don't swear, and cut down on my use of the word "dupa". 4. Don't tell any jokes about Poles (I don't do that anyway). 5. Don't say "spadaj, wieśniaku" when some cretinous relative asks about kilts. 6. Don't pretend we're getting married on Tuesday. 7. When her Gran drops by on Sunday and asks about our visit to the Vatican, don't say "Cuchnął pychą i bałwochwalstwem," even though I like this phrase. Apart from that, when Poles start going on about how their country is the most dangerous/corrupt/beautiful/underrated in the world, their history the most tragic or language most difficult, don't bother arguing with them, just say, "Whatever, dude, give me more cake." Odpowiedz Link
nasza_maggie Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 06.12.05, 13:24 exactly. and don't forget to wash your hands when leaving the loo. Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 06.12.05, 14:10 nasza_maggie napisała: > exactly. > and don't forget to wash your hands when leaving the loo. And pull your trousers up. Odpowiedz Link
nasza_maggie Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 06.12.05, 14:13 and do your rozporek up Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 06.12.05, 20:22 nasza_maggie napisała: > and do your rozporek up Zzzzzzzzip! Ahem. Sorry about that. Odpowiedz Link
bob75rob1 Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 08.12.05, 16:56 Very accurate recipe! Although I'm Pole most of these "don't" apply to me as well. Malgosia Odpowiedz Link
waldek1610 you have no clue Ianek....... 09.12.05, 07:56 ianek70 napisał: > Apart from that, when Poles start going on about how their country is the > most dangerous/corrupt/beautiful/underrated in the world, And you think it is not underrated??? You could have a new Manhattan build in Warsaw...and you would still have BBC reporters stand in the front of the shabbiest communist building they could find in Warsaw, and they would "report" from Poland as they always do.....Besides looking at London's and Warsaw's high risers I tend to think polish capital looks more impresive... > their history the most tragic Oh, stop right now. To the contrary poles prefer when foreigners also remember Polish history before partitions...because it seems that for some strange reasons anglo-americans don't want to acknowlege the times when Polish Commonwealth was expansive empire size of 1/3 of the whole Europe...and average polish landed aristocrat was on average 5 times ritcher than english lord... > or language most difficult, don't bother arguing with them, just > say, "Whatever, dude, give me more cake." This very sentence shows ignorance or rather western arrogance that poles loathe. You think that poles are boring because they talk what's important for poles...and you being British couldn't care less, being self centered big- headed self.... Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: you have no clue Ianek....... 09.12.05, 09:52 waldek1610 napisał: > > don't bother arguing with them, just > > say, "Whatever, dude, give me more cake." > > This very sentence shows ignorance or rather western arrogance that poles > loathe. You think that poles are boring because they talk what's important for > poles...and you being British couldn't care less, being self centered big- > headed self.... No it doesn't, Waldo. There are people everywhere who think their country is the pępek świata and, no offence, but these people are very stupid and irritating. Almost as stupid and irritating as people who think they're speaking on behalf of their entire nation, or use bizarre stereotypes as arguments instead of logic, knowledge or experience. Odpowiedz Link
waldek1610 Re: you have no clue Ianek....... 10.12.05, 12:21 ianek70 napisał: > No it doesn't, Waldo. There are people everywhere who think their country is > the pępek świata and, no offence, but these people are very stupid and > irritating. But wait....watching BBC news I get the very same impresion about Brits... > Almost as stupid and irritating as people who think they're speaking on behalf > of their entire nation, Well, name one polish person on this forum who is actually represents polish view ( I don't claim to represent every pole, but at least myself.) On the other hand Maggie who is the pole is desperatelly trying to prove that she is english, because in her book it is "cooler" to be british... > or use bizarre stereotypes as arguments instead of > logic, knowledge or experience. That's what frightens me, your knowlege is based on subjective british sources, according to which "British inteligence has broke Enigma-nazi coding machine"...too bad they did that 10 years after Poles broke this code first.... If you really want to know why think British sources are biased, is because when I open Encyclopedia Brittanica, I find out that Frederic Chopin was French, so was Sklodowska-Curie (they add though that they were "polish born" whatever that means....?) After all they don't say american painters Whisler or Morissot were "french, and american born" although they did to emigrated....this is exactly what makes me think anglo-american sourses are biased and have their preferences.... Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: you have no clue Ianek....... 10.12.05, 13:55 waldek1610 napisał: > ianek70 napisał: > > > No it doesn't, Waldo. There are people everywhere who think their country > is > > the pępek świata and, no offence, but these people are very stupid and > > irritating. > > But wait....watching BBC news I get the very same impresion about Brits... British television is Brito-centric? I wonder why? > Well, name one polish person on this forum who is actually represents polish > view ( I don't claim to represent every pole, but at least myself.) Yes you do, frequently. > > or use bizarre stereotypes as arguments instead of > > logic, knowledge or experience. > > That's what frightens me, your knowlege is based on subjective british sources, My knowledge of what? > according to which "British inteligence has broke Enigma-nazi coding > machine"...too bad they did that 10 years after Poles broke this code first.... Boring. > when I open Encyclopedia Brittanica, I find out that Frederic Chopin was > French, so was Sklodowska-Curie (they add though that they were "polish born" > whatever that means....?) It means they were born in Poland, Waldo. Odpowiedz Link
waldek1610 Re: you have no clue Ianek....... 11.12.05, 08:04 ianek70 napisał: > > when I open Encyclopedia Brittanica, I find out that Frederic Chopin was > > French, so was Sklodowska-Curie (they add though that they were "polish b > orn" > > whatever that means....?) > > It means they were born in Poland, Waldo. But why differenciate? Why can't they just say instead Chopin was a Pole...and spend his last years in France? If somebody is born and grows up in Poland, and leaves his country at the age of 21... he's polish....PERIOD! Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Well....... 11.12.05, 20:17 waldek1610 napisał: > ianek70 napisał: > > > > when I open Encyclopedia Brittanica, I find out that Frederic Chopi > n was > > > French, so was Sklodowska-Curie (they add though that they were "po > lish b > > orn" > > > whatever that means....?) > > > > It means they were born in Poland, Waldo. > > > But why differenciate? Why can't they just say instead Chopin was a Pole...and > spend his last years in France? > If somebody is born and grows up in Poland, and leaves his country at the age > of 21... he's polish....PERIOD! Well, why don't you write to the Encyclopedia Britanica? There was actually a young boy earlier this year found some mistakes in their items about Polish history (fairly obscure ones), he told them and they corrected them. Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 28.03.06, 00:36 ianek wrote: > 7. When her Gran drops by on Sunday and asks about our visit to the Vatican, > don't say "Cuchnął pychą i bałwochwalstwem," even though I like this phrase. > I wish there were a lot more people who could see that. Odpowiedz Link
waldek1610 Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 09.12.05, 07:31 1.You should not ask them why they do not bother to learn english, especialy when you're in Warsaw......Poland. 2. When speaking english anyways, you should avoid using your english "play of the words", just say it clearly without those Shakespearian wiseness.... 3. Poles like to hear what foreigners think about them, so don't be talking about Britain and west all the time, talk about polish issues with them, because they couldn't care less about british labour party... Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 10.12.05, 14:15 waldek1610 napisał: > 1.You should not ask them why they do not bother to learn english, especialy > when you're in Warsaw......Poland. But fortunately in Poland you don't have to ask them "Oi, have you got a work permit?" Odpowiedz Link
waldek1610 Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 12.12.05, 07:32 ianek70 napisał: > waldek1610 napisał: > > > 1.You should not ask them why they do not bother to learn english, especi > aly > > when you're in Warsaw......Poland. > > But fortunately in Poland you don't have to ask them "Oi, have you got a work > permit?" What's that "Oi" for?........ Do pigs work as the Immigration officers in Britain? Odpowiedz Link
varsovian Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 12.12.05, 16:21 Hmmm Now I know what mistakes I've been making all these years I'm even more impressed with those lovely Poles closest to my heart. I mean they even forgive me when I tell them that Mickiewicz is famous only because he comes next to Mickey Mouse in the Encyclopaedia Britannica. Odpowiedz Link
waldek1610 Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 15.12.05, 11:19 varsovian napisał: > Hmmm > Now I know what mistakes I've been making all these years I'm even more > impressed with those lovely Poles closest to my heart. I mean they even > forgive me when I tell them that Mickiewicz is famous only because he comes > next to Mickey Mouse in the Encyclopaedia Britannica. Of course, if doesn't suprise me. You don't bother to read and compare....It's much easiere for you to read Shakespeare for half of the millenium and pretend other countries have neither poets or literature.... Odpowiedz Link
varsovian Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 15.12.05, 11:35 Shakespeare is easier in translation. BTW, I would tend to agree with you in that the English and Welsh, and increasingly the Scots, are on the whole philistines. What used to save the Scots was a superior education system, but they've dumbed down now. Unfortunately, Poland's decided to dumb down its education system as well - the difference being that you don't recognize the disaster in the first few years of experimentation. Something needed to be done to Polish education, but I fear for the future, I really do. Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 15.12.05, 19:33 varsovian napisał: > BTW, I would tend to agree with you in that the English and Welsh, and > increasingly the Scots, are on the whole philistines. What used to save the > Scots was a superior education system, but they've dumbed down now. no yoo is compleetly rong! Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 15.12.05, 22:48 varsovian napisał: > Shakespeare is easier in translation. > > BTW, I would tend to agree with you in that the English and Welsh, and > increasingly the Scots, are on the whole philistines. What used to save the > Scots was a superior education system, but they've dumbed down now. > So true, and horrifying. Dumb down 1st generation. 2nd generation tought by dumbed down 1st generation so becoming even more dumbed and so on; and seemingly to ensure that everyone is a success, or more precisely, that there are no failures! Such a dirty word. Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 16.12.05, 00:30 waldek1610 napisał: > ianek70 napisał: > > > waldek1610 napisał: > > > > > 1.You should not ask them why they do not bother to learn english, > especi > > aly > > > when you're in Warsaw......Poland. > > > > But fortunately in Poland you don't have to ask them "Oi, have you got a > work > > permit?" > > What's that "Oi" for?........ Do pigs work as the Immigration officers in > Britain? Why, you interested? I'm sorry, you're not Indian enough. HM Immigration is an equal opportoonities employer. Odpowiedz Link
easystreet Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 27.03.06, 01:31 You can talk about everything with Poles, and they usually have strong, if not always informed opinions. On the other hand, there is a whole lot you cannot talk about in politically correct societies because what their "free press" doesn't consider newsworthy simply does not "exist". If it ain't in the news, it can't be important. And what IS in the news is repeated ad nauseam, as if their listeners attention span was that of patients with advanced Alzheimers. Earnings/faith/politics? BIG NO NOS, and who cares anyway... One advantage in NOT talking with Poles is this: less griping and compalining about everything under the sun. Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 27.03.06, 07:03 On the other hand, there is a whole lot you cannot > talk about in politically correct societies because what their "free press" > doesn't consider newsworthy simply does not "exist". Where have you got your information from? > And what IS in the news is repeated ad nauseam, as if their listeners attention > > span was that of patients with advanced Alzheimers. It would seem that you read the Tabloids unfortunately. They are sensationalist, and crap; full-stop. Odpowiedz Link
marcus_anglikiem Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 27.03.06, 20:11 there is of course truth in what you say russh; however, i'd like to point out an exception to your judgement of the "gutter press" - in the Daily Mail, surprised as you may be, you will find a lot of good solid logic, common sense and good thinking. you'll also find a certain amount of misguidedness and $^it; it's a 'mixed bag'(you'll also find writers who've 'emigrated' from quality broadsheets) Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 27.03.06, 20:41 Must admit, I was thinking of the Star, Sun & Mirror as the gutter press. Then comes the Mail & Express, as common easy-read papers, then the 'quality' papers, The Times, Telegraph, Guardian etc. Odpowiedz Link
marcus_anglikiem Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 27.03.06, 20:50 so russh, how long have you been in Poland, what d'you do there and how did you end up there? Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 27.03.06, 21:03 2 years. Trying to create a property development company (problems with planning permission), teaching English, & thinking of doing some consultancy (if I can get started). It seemed a good idea at the time - partner / ex-partner is Polish, and plenty of opportunities. Missing very much Italy, where I lived for 13+ years, my UK & Italian mates, my English local and my favorite Italian restaurants (in Italy of course). Odpowiedz Link
marcus_anglikiem Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 27.03.06, 21:11 hmm, i lived in Poland for 2 years too (summer '02 - summer '04). i too taught English - in Swiebodzin (nr Poznan), Slupsk and Koszalin (both on the North coast). Property - there's an idea. i cordially wish you the best of luck. How do you find Polish laws - do you have a legal translator/ English speaking lawyer?(unfortunately i know v. little of law English or Polish). What kind of consultancy? sounds interesting. I also thought of Italy as a place to live (after visiting Rome), but i wouldn't give away my time in Poland for anything. I can honestly say those times from my first visit in summer '00 to my departure in summer '04 were the best times of my entire life! Hey, i know pizza in Italy cannot be replicated elsewhere. but have you found any good Italian joints in Poland? Pozdrawiam Cie Marcus. Odpowiedz Link
easystreet Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 28.03.06, 02:08 Where from you ask? From first-hand experience. Turn on CNN and ponder! Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 28.03.06, 04:33 One of hundreds, is not thousands of TV stations in the Western world. What about the rest? PS - I only watch CNN when I am in a hotel away from home, and here is no other choice. I have never liked it. Odpowiedz Link
easystreet Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 28.03.06, 14:45 What about the rest? Hmm, I can speak from experience about the American media. Two words: Same Crappolismus. One exception is the CBC (Canadian) and public broadcasting. Unfortunately, Polsat is also stooping to the pits in imitating Western garbage. BUT IN POLAND YOU CAN STILL AIR YOUR VIEWS ON THIS FORUM AND SEE THEM ELEVATED TO PRINT FOR GENERAL CONSUMPTION. EVERYWHERE ELSE THERE IS C-E-N-S-O-R-the drowning-S-H-I-P of free voices! Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 28.03.06, 16:49 I agree with you about the Gazeta's forums - they seem to be free of censorship, although I wonder for how long, given the current Governments apparent wish to control the media. I have no experience of American media, so cannot comment. My experience comes from the UK and Italy, where I can say that there are a broad spread of views, and enough forums to ensure that censorship does not exist. As said earlier, forums within English papers' Web sites ares not the preferred route - there are plenty of others, Yahoo & MSN to name just a few. Therefore I cannot agree that outside of Poland there is censorship drowning free voices. I've looked at your 1st post again, and believe it is fundamentally flawed in its argument; 'You can talk about everything with Poles, and they usually have strong, if not always informed opinions. On the other hand, there is a whole lot you cannot talk about in politically correct societies because what their "free press" doesn't consider newsworthy simply does not "exist". If it ain't in the news, it can't be important. ' 'You say that you can talk to Poles about anything, and they usually have strong opinions'. I do not disagree with this (I haven't enough information)., but what are the PC countries you refer to? What can they (the people) not talk about? How are they stopped talking? In each of the countries that I believe you feel are PC'd, there are enough alternatives to ensure inneffective censorship even if it is exercised. BTW - I am a great opponent of PC, and have voiced my opinion many times on this forum. I have lived through its growth, and absolutely despise it. Remember, it is not only about censorship and playing to minorities. An example; my other was deaf, and later blind. She was called a 'hard-of-hearing' and 'visually impaired' person. She was well read and very intelligent, despite her disabilities, and said to me on more than one occasion, 'why don't they call me blind, for that is what I am. They now say I am impaired - it's a lot worse in my books than blind'. Just a small example of the many stupidities in the PC culture. Odpowiedz Link
marcus_anglikiem Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 27.03.06, 20:01 easystreet, i congratulate your sentiments wholeheartedly. well said. pozdrawiam. Odpowiedz Link
marcus_anglikiem Re: What not to talk about with Poles ... 27.03.06, 20:02 ps. i love this waldek/ianek dialogue. they're both great! Odpowiedz Link