Gay "weddings"

20.12.05, 11:41
I'm so pleased for them.

It's a shame they can't extend the same rights to old spinster sisters living
together for decades.
By the way, I have a friend (here in Poland) who isn't going to get married
because she would lose her one-parent benefit. Is it right for the state to
discourage marriage?
    • chochise Re: Gay "weddings" 20.12.05, 11:48
      You mean Elton and David?
      smile
      It's quite funny for them to be getting married in the same place as Charles
      and Camillasmile)
      • varsovian Re: Gay "weddings" 20.12.05, 11:56
        Did they really?
        That is so funny!
        And was I right in hearing they spent GBP 50 000 on canapes?
        • chochise Re: Gay "weddings" 20.12.05, 11:58
          and 3 times as much on flowers....fresh ones, not plasticsmile
          • varsovian Re: Gay "weddings" 20.12.05, 12:07
            I hate plastic flowers, yueeerghhk
    • bartis_ervin Re: Gay "weddings" 20.12.05, 12:24

      You brought up an interesting issue. Probably it is possible to have a heated
      and healthy debate on itsmile I would challenge Marcinkiewicz to a debatesmile

      On the other hand, her one-parent benefit is a form of social assistance. I
      guess we all agree that the more vulnerable groups should get more assistance,
      and single parent households belong to the vulnerable group since there is only
      one source of income. If the single parent gets married then it is presumed that
      there will be two sources of income, which excludes them from the group who
      would receive more assistance.

      Although, if I would have a debate with Marcinkiewicz I would be on the other sidesmile

      Ervin

      Thebartiski.blogspot.com
      • varsovian Re: Gay "weddings" 20.12.05, 12:28
        As an unmarried mother, she gets assistance. Her boyfriend brings home extra
        cash = nice life. Why refuse money if marriage is not important for you? That
        is, if someone is dumb enough to encourage you not to get married by imposing
        fines.
        • russh Re: Gay "weddings" 20.12.05, 13:25
          Was it not the same in the UK until the end of the 80's, where there was the
          dual mortgage tax relief for single partners, that was abolished by Mrs T too
          quickly, and created her final boom and bust cycle.

          Governments need to assist the needy, but it has been, and still is, so easy in
          so many countries to take the system for a ride. It is obvious that many
          benefits / tax reliefs have been very poorly thought out.
          • ianek70 Single Parents 20.12.05, 14:03
            I was in the same situation (please note I've changed the title here).
            When my ex-girlfriend and our daughter lived with me, she got single-parent
            benefit to spend on shoes and chocolate. As an unmarried father I've got
            exactly the same rights and obligations under Polish law as a married one.
            By the way, is it legal to get married in Poland if you're not pregnant? I've
            never seen wedding photos where the bride is unpregnant.
            • varsovian Re: Single Parents 20.12.05, 15:11
              Poles are pleasingly traditional with shotgun weddings, aren't they?
              Mind you, an English friend of mine has just got married for the third time for
              the very same reason - can't give birth without a ring on her finger.
            • usenetposts Re: Single Parents 20.12.05, 16:34
              ianek70 napisał:

              > I was in the same situation (please note I've changed the title here).
              > When my ex-girlfriend and our daughter lived with me, she got single-parent
              > benefit to spend on shoes and chocolate. As an unmarried father I've got
              > exactly the same rights and obligations under Polish law as a married one.
              > By the way, is it legal to get married in Poland if you're not pregnant? I've
              > never seen wedding photos where the bride is unpregnant.

              I went to a wedding in April where one of the colleagues in my firm was geting
              married and I asked his brothers whether by any chance he (a confirmed lifelong
              batchelor, so he had been saying all these years) had gotten his new wife a
              leetle beet szwanger? NO, they all swore blind he hadn't that had nothing to do
              with it. And sure enough, the bouncing three month old baby boy is already to
              be a feature at our Office Christmas Party.

              On the other hand in June I was at this couple's wedding:
              www.usenetposts.com/jmwedding.htm
              and as far as I know, she's still not expecting.
    • ampolion Re: Gay "weddings" 01.01.06, 06:50
      Filth.
      • ianek70 Re: Gay "weddings" 02.01.06, 16:25
        ampolion napisał:

        > Filth.

        On the one hand marriage is a reactionary bourgeouis tradition, on the other
        it's very romantic and involves a big cake.
        Scottish law (and not only) is changing to reflect "modern family life", in
        other words reality which has always existed, but has been legislated against
        by the state, and opposed by pressure from the elite against unmarried
        parenthood, co-habitation and divorce amongst the rest of us (the elite do it
        even more than normal people, but they're above the laws they create for
        others).
        Uncontested divorces are to be made quicker, in other words if you and your
        wife both hate each other then the state won't force you to pretend you're
        still in love. Lifelong partnership becomes the responsibility of the partners,
        so if you want to be with someone, you have to try. A ring and a signature
        isn't enough.
        The state shouldn't tell people how to be together, so why should it tell them
        why to be together? Why force gays to pretend they're not gay?
        Adults can do what they want. In Scotland, 16-year-olds can join the army, or
        get married without their parents' permission. In practice, the average age
        when people get married is about 29.
        There are, however, minority pressure groups opposing reality
        www.theherald.co.uk/news/53489.html
        And in Poland
        www.nie.com.pl/main.php?dzial=akt&id=591
      • russh Re: Gay "weddings" 03.01.06, 07:42
        Why?
      • kylie1 Re: Gay "weddings" 03.01.06, 21:37
        ampolion napisał:

        > Filth.

        You sure said a mouthful, ampolion.

        smile
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