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I see Waldek's gone and got his own forum . . .

07.01.06, 12:45
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I'm happy for him, no really I am.
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        • waldek1610 Re: Davey, you're invited..that if you learn poli 09.01.06, 07:12
          usenetposts napisał:

          > I got bad news for you too, Waldek, you're welcome to be here.
          >
          > I know you'd rather have conflict, but I open my arms in Christian love,
          which
          > is anything but cold and distant.
          >
          > Not homosexual love, I hasten to add.
          >
          > How about a link to JUST ONE of your promising new paintings?

          I said I will post it when I have a collection ready to be shown to the World,
          for now I'm still working on it. Anyways, I would be delighted if you helped me
          find some info on that ill-fated Stanislaus Collection... The one that King
          Stanislav Augustus Poniatowski spend equvalent of bilions of US Dollars, and
          English failed to "deliver" it so now your people can enjoy it.....Is UK
          planing on returning it to Poland anytime soon?
            • waldek1610 Englishman"masters"foreign tounge,learning 500word 09.01.06, 09:11
              bartis_ervin napisał:

              > Waldek, I have checked your forum and it seems not to exist.
              > In case that I don't have the correct link, would you send it?

              It's my pleasure to post that link to my forum again, please feel free to step
              by and say hello!

              forum.gazeta.pl/forum/71,1.html?f=36028

              > On the other hand, I got another bad news for you Waldek: Dave speaks
              > excellentPolish.

              Well, I haven't had a chance to see a sample of his "excelent" polish....all I
              heard is Davey's bragging that he supposedly knows some; "difficult" polish
              words that I don't know myself...as he put it. Unfortunatelly he forgot to
              support his claim by posting something in polish..perheaps on my polish
              language forum?

              Again, in the world there's circulating a unofficial opinion that British folks
              like to bragg about their supposed "mastery" of the foreign languages...The
              problem is that British consider themselves masters only after learning 500
              words in a given language, and no more.

              The way it works, they go abroads, throw few words let's say...in Polish,
              Spanish or Japanesse,and since Englisman soon runs away off vocabulary the rest
              of the conversation is conducted in english, because Pole, Spaniard or
              Japanesse friend of Englishman speaks english anyways...
              • usenetposts Re: Englishman"masters"foreign tounge,learning 50 09.01.06, 11:18
                waldek1610 napisał:

                > bartis_ervin napisał:
                >
                > > Waldek, I have checked your forum and it seems not to exist.
                > > In case that I don't have the correct link, would you send it?
                >
                > It's my pleasure to post that link to my forum again, please feel free to
                step
                > by and say hello!
                >
                > forum.gazeta.pl/forum/71,1.html?f=36028
                >
                > > On the other hand, I got another bad news for you Waldek: Dave speaks
                > > excellentPolish.
                >
                > Well, I haven't had a chance to see a sample of his "excelent" polish....all
                I
                > heard is Davey's bragging that he supposedly knows some; "difficult" polish
                > words that I don't know myself...as he put it. Unfortunatelly he forgot to
                > support his claim by posting something in polish..perheaps on my polish
                > language forum?
                >
                > Again, in the world there's circulating a unofficial opinion that British
                folks
                >
                > like to bragg about their supposed "mastery" of the foreign languages...The
                > problem is that British consider themselves masters only after learning 500
                > words in a given language, and no more.
                >
                > The way it works, they go abroads, throw few words let's say...in Polish,
                > Spanish or Japanesse,and since Englisman soon runs away off vocabulary the
                rest
                >
                > of the conversation is conducted in english, because Pole, Spaniard or
                > Japanesse friend of Englishman speaks english anyways...
                >

                Nie bardzo czuję się przychylny w danym momencie do odpowiedzi na języku
                polskim, ze względu na fakt, że nie jestem foką do bilansowania piłki na pysku
                na żadanie publiczności, aczkolwiek pragnę podkreślić, że na tym forum też
                WOLNO pisać po polsku z tym, że nie ma takiego przymusu.

                Twoje spostrzeżenie, że anglicy źle mówią w innych językach, oparty jest tylko
                na stereotypach. Prawdą jest, że anglicy nie mają tyle do odzyskania poprzez
                nauki innych języków jak swojacy tamtych języków mają do odzyskania poprzez
                naukę angielskiego, ale z tego wynika, że jezeli anglik i tak uczy się innego
                języka, to wtedy to jest z miłosci do fachu po jego stronie a nie z
                konieczności. Oto dlaczego z powsród na prawdę wybitnych językoznawców, których
                osobiście poznałem, bynajmniej nie brakowało anglików i przedstawicieli innych
                anglojęzycznych narodów.

                Pięćset słow jeszcze nie kwalifikuje ucznia do początkujących - tak naprawdę
                pięcset slów to jest tylko degustacją języka, aby dowieść się, czy się chce
                zaczynać poważne jego studium.

                500-2 500 słów, to początkujący
                2 500-10 000, to średnio-zaawansowany
                10 000+ słów, to dopiero zaawansowany.

                I tylko o zaawansowanych fazach warto wzmiankować w życiorysu, tak na prawdę.
                • waldek1610 now that's official; Davey speaks pidgin polish! 09.01.06, 12:07
                  usenetposts napisał:

                  > Nie bardzo czuję się przychylny w danym momencie do odpowiedzi na języku
                  > polskim,

                  You meant; "nie czuje sie zmuszony" or "nie czuje potrzeby", but so far not bad
                  at all....for englishman


                  > ze względu na fakt, że nie jestem foką do bilansowania piłki na pysku
                  > na żadanie publiczności,

                  Native Pole would rather use form "foka do zaglowania piki" ...Besides you
                  confused word;"balansowanie" with "bilansowanie", I'm sure it's due to you
                  office job...

                  > Prawdą jest, że anglicy nie mają tyle do odzyskania poprzez
                  > nauki innych języków jak swojacy tamtych języków mają do odzyskania poprzez
                  > naukę angielskiego,

                  The correct form should be; "do zyskania"(to be gained) and not...
                  odzyskania...So those polish preffixes really got you,Huh? let's see what else
                  you got a hard time with.

                  > Pięćset słow jeszcze nie kwalifikuje ucznia do początkujących - tak naprawdę
                  > pięcset slów to jest tylko degustacją języka, aby dowieść się, czy się chce
                  > zaczynać poważne jego studium.
                  >
                  > 500-2 500 słów, to początkujący
                  > 2 500-10 000, to średnio-zaawansowany
                  > 10 000+ słów, to dopiero zaawansowany.
                  >
                  > I tylko o zaawansowanych fazach warto wzmiankować w życiorysu, tak na prawdę.

                  Pietaszek byc glodny..ha ha (Friday-man be hungry!) Perheaps you meant to
                  say; "w zyciorysie"? So now I'm guessing you understood polish language is more
                  complex than english, with all those tenses and diffrent forms depending on
                  where the word is used in the sentence...

                  Calkiem niezle Davey! But still I had to get even with you for calling my
                  english "pidgin"....Now I know I could always retaliate and be fully excaused
                  rightfully calling your polish likewise..."Lamana polszczyzna".

                  PS. Davey, Anglik tez nie jest swieta krowa i powinien sie uczyc jezykow
                  obcych, bo nigdy nie wiadomo czy juz w tym stuleciu przejdziemy na chinski albo
                  inny jezyk..tak samo jak sto lat temu Francuzi zmuszeni byli nauczyc sie
                  angielskiego, po Swiat nie byl juz; Francuskojezyczny "Francophonic"...

                  Over all pretty good job on your response in polish!!!, but next time don't
                  correct my english if your polish is not perfect either.
                  Waldek
                  • usenetposts Re: now that's official; Davey speaks pidgin poli 09.01.06, 16:23
                    waldek1610 napisał:

                    > usenetposts napisał:
                    >
                    > > Nie bardzo czuję się przychylny w danym momencie do odpowiedzi na języku
                    > > polskim,
                    >
                    > You meant; "nie czuje sie zmuszony" or "nie czuje potrzeby", but so far not
                    bad
                    >
                    > at all....for englishman
                    >
                    >
                    > > ze względu na fakt, że nie jestem foką do bilansowania piłki na pysku
                    > > na żadanie publiczności,
                    >
                    > Native Pole would rather use form "foka do zaglowania piki" ...Besides you
                    > confused word;"balansowanie" with "bilansowanie", I'm sure it's due to you
                    > office job...
                    >
                    > > Prawdą jest, że anglicy nie mają tyle do odzyskania poprzez
                    > > nauki innych języków jak swojacy tamtych języków mają do odzyskania poprz
                    > ez
                    > > naukę angielskiego,
                    >
                    > The correct form should be; "do zyskania"(to be gained) and not...
                    > odzyskania...So those polish preffixes really got you,Huh? let's see what
                    else
                    > you got a hard time with.
                    >
                    > > Pięćset słow jeszcze nie kwalifikuje ucznia do początkujących - tak napra
                    > wdę
                    > > pięcset slów to jest tylko degustacją języka, aby dowieść się, czy się ch
                    > ce
                    > > zaczynać poważne jego studium.
                    > >
                    > > 500-2 500 słów, to początkujący
                    > > 2 500-10 000, to średnio-zaawansowany
                    > > 10 000+ słów, to dopiero zaawansowany.
                    > >
                    > > I tylko o zaawansowanych fazach warto wzmiankować w życiorysu, tak na pra
                    > wdę.
                    >
                    > Pietaszek byc glodny..ha ha (Friday-man be hungry!) Perheaps you meant to
                    > say; "w zyciorysie"? So now I'm guessing you understood polish language is
                    more
                    >
                    > complex than english, with all those tenses and diffrent forms depending on
                    > where the word is used in the sentence...
                    >
                    > Calkiem niezle Davey! But still I had to get even with you for calling my
                    > english "pidgin"....Now I know I could always retaliate and be fully excaused
                    > rightfully calling your polish likewise..."Lamana polszczyzna".
                    >
                    > PS. Davey, Anglik tez nie jest swieta krowa i powinien sie uczyc jezykow
                    > obcych, bo nigdy nie wiadomo czy juz w tym stuleciu przejdziemy na chinski
                    albo
                    >
                    > inny jezyk..tak samo jak sto lat temu Francuzi zmuszeni byli nauczyc sie
                    > angielskiego, po Swiat nie byl juz; Francuskojezyczny "Francophonic"...
                    >
                    > Over all pretty good job on your response in polish!!!, but next time don't
                    > correct my english if your polish is not perfect either.
                    > Waldek
                    >


                    Why ever not? If the only way I can get some sensible input on my Polish, which
                    nobody even bothers to correct when conversing, is to pick holes in your
                    English, it seems well worth it to me.

                    Anyway, if we do have to learn Chinese, it'll be thanks to all the favoured
                    nation status and big breaks that your adopted country gave them over the
                    years. When we British "looked after" them we made damn sure they were too
                    narked up on Opium to get ahead in the international arena. That was until the
                    Boxer Rebellion, of course, but at least we gave it a good innings.
                    • waldek1610 Re: now that's official; Davey speaks pidgin poli 12.01.06, 10:19
                      usenetposts napisał:

                      > if we do have to learn Chinese, it'll be thanks to all the favoured
                      > nation status and big breaks that your adopted country gave them over the
                      > years.

                      I was not the US but the "Corporate America" that give Chinesse
                      workers "oportunity" to make $50.00 to $150.00 US Dollar per month.... But who
                      abused american collonist in 1700's to make them pay taxes without
                      representation? 250 years down the road British don't seem to got rid of their
                      greed...Mr Tony gave as proof of that few weeks ago.


                      When we British "looked after them we made damn sure they were too
                      > narked up on Opium to get ahead in the international arena. That was until
                      the
                      > Boxer Rebellion, of course, but at least we gave it a good innings.

                      Thank God, that it put you on the piece of land seperate from Europe. 27 milles
                      of water was all it took for an average nation take care of its own bussiness
                      and become World Power...after all it was easier for you to beat half naked
                      africans who danced instead of fighting on the battle field. If you relokate
                      Great Britain to central Europe, that would be last time you saw the Great
                      Britain....
                      • ianek70 Re: now that's official; Davey speaks pidgin poli 12.01.06, 12:48
                        waldek1610 napisał:

                        > But who
                        > abused american collonist in 1700's to make them pay taxes without
                        > representation?

                        And who repressed Lithuanian and Ukrainian peasants for centuries?
                        But as has already been pointed out, no normal intelligent person judges others
                        by what their leaders did hundreds of years ago.
              • ianek70 Re: Englishman"masters"foreign tounge,learning 50 09.01.06, 11:22
                waldek1610 napisał:

                > The
                > problem is that British consider themselves masters only after learning 500
                > words in a given language, and no more.
                >
                > The way it works, they go abroads, throw few words let's say...in Polish,
                > Spanish or Japanesse,and since Englisman soon runs away off vocabulary the
                rest
                >
                > of the conversation is conducted in english, because Pole, Spaniard or
                > Japanesse friend of Englishman speaks english anyways...

                And what languages do you use when you're travelling, Waldo?
                Or are you to busy memorising stereotypes about other countries to actually
                visit them?
                  • ianek70 Re: Englishman"masters"foreign tounge,learning 50 09.01.06, 12:33
                    waldek1610 napisał:

                    > Please restate the question, this time using my real name, please! I don't
                    call
                    >
                    > you "Glupi Ianek" after all, do I?

                    No dobra, Panie 1610.
                    Będąc zagranicą, na przykład w Meksyku, Polsce czy Kanadzie, jakimi językami
                    się posługujesz? A jak podróżowałeś służbowo z waszą tam piechotą morską, czy
                    nauczyli Was mówić po arabsku "Hands on your head, muthafucka!", a może "I'll
                    blow your goddamn head off, sonofabitch!" po koreańsku?
                    U nas w Europie sprawy językowe są trochę bardziej złożone...
                    • waldek1610 Re: Englishman"masters"foreign tounge,learning 50 09.01.06, 12:45
                      ianek70 napisał:

                      > waldek1610 napisał:
                      >
                      > > Please restate the question, this time using my real name, please! I don'
                      > t
                      > call
                      > >
                      > > you "Glupi Ianek" after all, do I?
                      >
                      > No dobra, Panie 1610.
                      > Będąc zagranicą, na przykład w Meksyku, Polsce czy Kanadzie, jakimi językami
                      > się posługujesz? A jak podróżowałeś służbowo z waszą tam piechotą morską, czy
                      > nauczyli Was mówić po arabsku "Hands on your head, muthafucka!", a może "I'll
                      > blow your goddamn head off, sonofabitch!" po koreańsku?

                      Ohaio! Wata-shi-wa poran-do-jin desu san. Domo ori-gato. Hai!
                      What's your point, anyways? Tylko dlatego ze wiele ludzi mowi dzisiaj po
                      angielsku na calym swiecie, nie jest powodem dla angielskojezycznych narodow
                      zeby nie uczyli sie obcych jezykow.

                      Potem przyjezdza taki Jankes na swoj "Honey mood" do Paryza bo slyszal ze tam
                      jest romantycznie, i rzada od miejscowych zeby jego obsluzono jakby byl w
                      jakims Disney Landzie a nie w obcym kraju...

                      > U nas w Europie sprawy językowe są trochę bardziej złożone...

                      No tak ciezko jest na tabliczce przy wejsciu do Parlamentu Europejskiego
                      napisac European Parliment w 25 jezykach...
                      • ianek70 Re: Englishman"masters"foreign tounge,learning 50 09.01.06, 13:08
                        waldek1610 napisał:

                        > Ohaio! Wata-shi-wa poran-do-jin desu san. Domo ori-gato. Hai!
                        > What's your point, anyways? Tylko dlatego ze wiele ludzi mowi dzisiaj po
                        > angielsku na calym swiecie, nie jest powodem dla angielskojezycznych narodow
                        > zeby nie uczyli sie obcych jezykow.

                        A czy w Stanach nie uczycie się hiszpańskiego w szkołach?
                        U nas we Szkocji, teraz dzieciaki mają obowiązkowo 2 lata francuskiego i
                        niemieckiego, potem muszą jeden z tych wybierać na dalsze 2 lata.
                        Kiedy ja chodziłem do szkoły, mieliśmy tylko 2 lata francuskiego, potem
                        większość przestała się jakiegokolwiek języka uczyć. To był oczywiście błąd,
                        ale co z tego? Ilu z nich ma teraz do czynienia z Francuzami?

                        > Potem przyjezdza taki Jankes na swoj "Honey mood" do Paryza bo slyszal ze tam
                        > jest romantycznie, i rzada od miejscowych zeby jego obsluzono jakby byl w
                        > jakims Disney Landzie a nie w obcym kraju...

                        A to jest Twoja osobista obserwacja jako Jankes, gringo?

                        > > U nas w Europie sprawy językowe są trochę bardziej złożone...
                        >
                        > No tak ciezko jest na tabliczce przy wejsciu do Parlamentu Europejskiego
                        > napisac European Parliment w 25 jezykach...

                        Tak, wiemy.
                        • waldek1610 Re: Englishman"masters"foreign tounge,learning 50 12.01.06, 10:30
                          ianek70 napisał:

                          > A czy w Stanach nie uczycie się hiszpańskiego w szkołach?
                          > U nas we Szkocji, teraz dzieciaki mają obowiązkowo 2 lata francuskiego i
                          > niemieckiego, potem muszą jeden z tych wybierać na dalsze 2 lata.

                          Hiszpanski jest w USA praktycznie jezykiem niskich sfer spoleczenstwa, bo uzywa
                          sie go glownie zeby powiedziec emigrantowi meksykanskiemu za co jest
                          aresztowany przez policje na drodze, i po to zeby powiedziec Meksykanskim
                          pracownikom jak scinac trawe i jak wyczyscic ubikacje...

                          Jesli chodzi i elity i administracje USA (lokalne i federalne), to beda sie
                          uczyc Hiszpanskiego wtedy gdy Niemcy zaczna sie uczyc albanskiego....
                          • missus.c Waldek, why the racist comments and hypocrisy? 12.01.06, 11:12
                            waldek1610 napisał:


                            > Hiszpanski jest w USA praktycznie jezykiem niskich sfer spoleczenstwa, bo
                            uzywa
                            >
                            > sie go glownie zeby powiedziec emigrantowi meksykanskiemu za co jest
                            > aresztowany przez policje na drodze, i po to zeby powiedziec Meksykanskim
                            > pracownikom jak scinac trawe i jak wyczyscic ubikacje...

                            No it isn't. Spanish is not ONLY used during arrests of Spanish speaking
                            people, or Mexican immigrants. Neither it is ONLY used to tell Mexican
                            employees how to clean toilets.
                            Complete rubbish. Seems you know very little about the country you emigrated'
                            or heh run away to.
                            >
                            > Jesli chodzi i elity i administracje USA (lokalne i federalne), to beda sie
                            > uczyc Hiszpanskiego wtedy gdy Niemcy zaczna sie uczyc albanskiego....
                            >
                            That's rubbish also. As many local administration offices, places of public use
                            etc. have to have Spanish as their second language, in most places this is law.
                            The second biggest tv networks/channels in the US are Spanish speaking.

                            And as for Germans learning Albanian, I don't think it would be a problem for
                            them. Although at the moment, Turkish would probably be first on the list.


                            How funny that you write your racist statements in polish, is it perhaps
                            because you hope the Spanish speaking users of this forum won't understand you?

                            And what do your stereotypical comments have to do with the subject of your
                            private forum where you state:
                            "Let's love ourselves and others"
                            "This is a forum for all those who don't accept for stereotypes...." etc.


                            Hypocrite.
                            • missus.c Re: Waldek, why the racist comments and hypocrisy 12.01.06, 11:21
                              btw

                              a little bit of knowledge you should learn and it seems you have a long way to
                              go:


                              es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipocres%C3%ADa
                              La hipocresía es el acto de fingir que se tienen cualidades, ideas y
                              sentimientos que en realidad no se tienen. La palabra proviene del latín tardío
                              hypocrisis y del griego hypokrisis, que significan acción de desempeñar un
                              papel.

                              El ejemplo clásico de un acto hipócrita es criticar a otro por llevar a cabo
                              una acción que uno mismo también lleva a cabo.


                              en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite
                              Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have morals or virtues that one does not
                              truly possess or practice. The word derives from the late Latin hypocrisis and
                              Greek hupokrisis both meaning play-acting or pretence. The word is arguably
                              derived from hypo- meaning under, + krinein meaning to decide/to dispute. A
                              classic example of a hypocritical act is to denounce another for carrying out
                              some action while carrying out the same action oneself.

                              The term hypocrisy is also commonly used in a way which should be more
                              specifically termed a double standard, bias, or inconsistency. An example would
                              be when one honestly believes that one group of individuals should be held to a
                              different set of morals than another group.

                              Hypocrisy also refers to the act of criticizing others for behavior which one
                              engages in as well, or in other words, not practising what you preach. An
                              example would be a parent who smokes, but admonishes their adolescent child not
                              to smoke. Some people believe that most, if not all people are hypocrites since
                              we constantly criticize what we deem to be bad behavior, even though most
                              people do bad things at some point in their lives.


                              pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipokryta
                              Hipokryzja (od gr. hypokrisis, udawanie, hipokryzja) - zachowanie, lub sposób
                              myślenia i działania charakteryzujący się niespójnością stosowanych zasad
                              moralnych.

                              Hipokryzja może się przejawiać na następujące sposoby:

                              oficjalne głoszenie przestrzegania określonych zasad moralnych i jednoczesne
                              ich "ciche" łamanie, gdy nikt ważny tego nie widzi (np. głoszenie przez
                              polityka, że walczy z korupcją i jednoczesne branie przez tego polityka po
                              cichu łapówek),
                              stosowanie różnych, sprzecznych wzajemnie zasad moralnych przy różnych
                              sytuacjach (np. wymaganie od dzieci, żeby nie piły alkoholu i jednoczesne
                              upijanie się samemu),
                              wymyślanie rozmaitych teorii, które w pokrętny sposób tłumaczą stosowanie
                              różnych norm moralnych przy różnych sytuacjach (np. głoszenie, że zabijanie
                              dzieci wroga w czasie wojny jest dobre dlatego, że wróg ten popełnił wcześniej
                              zbrodnię mordując nasze dzieci),
                              tworzenie obszarów tabu - czyli spraw, o których się nigdy nie rozmawia
                              publicznie; zazwyczaj są to sprawy, które w świadomości wielu ludzi są
                              niemoralne, ale są lub były jednocześnie masowo praktykowane.
                              Hipokryzja jest stałą cechą ludzkich społeczeństw. Wynika ona z jednej strony z
                              konfliktu między indywidualnym interesem poszczególnych osób i normami
                              moralnymi panującymi w danym społeczeństwie, a z drugiej strony z konfliktu
                              między normami obyczajowymi i moralnymi

                            • russh Re: Waldek, why the racist comments and hypocrisy 12.01.06, 11:33
                              He's a very confused man, poor thing.

                              The thing I admired yesterday was Thasis, who had his go (for good or bad), took
                              his flack, and came back with a sensible post where he explained his reasons
                              etc. admitted he went too far, and now hopefully we have a decent new forum
                              contributor.

                              Waldek is too far gone. I wonder if he is actually posting from some psychiatric
                              ward somewhere in the states.
                              • waldek1610 argueing about the point of view...... 12.01.06, 11:51
                                Russh,
                                Do you know what "perspective" means? I'm sure you know.

                                Well, if you believe that someone who lives in on the bottom floor of the
                                highraiser is going to have exactly same view as person living on the 95 th
                                floor you are clearly wrong.
                                So why for some reason you believe that Polish person living in US is going to
                                have same believs as an English person, that a based on hundeds of years of
                                specific experience, different conditioning.

                                Yes I agree you, you find me crazy..because I'm foriegn to you, and I must
                                admit that I would never come up with all the crazy irrational stuff you
                                wrote,, unless of course my folks lived in England for hundreds of years...
                              • missus.c Re: Waldek, why the racist comments and hypocrisy 12.01.06, 11:52
                                > Waldek is too far gone. I wonder if he is actually posting from some
                                psychiatri
                                > c
                                > ward somewhere in the states.


                                Maybe. But he just looks like another frustrated Polonia member in the States
                                who have no idea about Poland, the US or any solid knowledge about anything. A
                                case of confused identity is what this looks like.
                            • waldek1610 Not everything that sounds derogatory is racist... 12.01.06, 11:41
                              ...sometimes it simply reflects the state of reality, the fact is that there's
                              more latinos (14 %) in US than afro-americans...and most of them can't speak
                              english. That's a fact.

                              missus.c napisała:

                              > waldek1610 napisał:
                              >
                              >
                              > > Hiszpanski jest w USA praktycznie jezykiem niskich sfer spoleczenstwa, bo
                              >
                              > uzywa
                              > >
                              > > sie go glownie zeby powiedziec emigrantowi meksykanskiemu za co jest
                              > > aresztowany przez policje na drodze, i po to zeby powiedziec Meksykanskim
                              >
                              > > pracownikom jak scinac trawe i jak wyczyscic ubikacje...
                              >
                              > No it isn't. Spanish is not ONLY used during arrests of Spanish speaking
                              > people, or Mexican immigrants. Neither it is ONLY used to tell Mexican
                              > employees how to clean toilets.
                              > Complete rubbish. Seems you know very little about the country you emigrated'
                              > or heh run away to.


                              I'm not sure where do you live, but based on what you write your knowlege of
                              reality in USA is nonexistant.



                              > > Jesli chodzi i elity i administracje USA (lokalne i federalne), to beda s
                              > ie
                              > > uczyc Hiszpanskiego wtedy gdy Niemcy zaczna sie uczyc albanskiego....
                              > >
                              > That's rubbish also. As many local administration offices, places of public
                              use
                              >
                              > etc. have to have Spanish as their second language, in most places this is
                              law.

                              Sure, so US governement can collect taxes froh mexican emigrants who
                              overwhealmingly don't speak english.... You missing the point, of course US
                              governement and bussinesses employ bilingual spanish and english speakers, but
                              they don't do that in order to establish good contacts with "latino busines
                              owners"...no, they simply help people who can't speak english by hiring second
                              generation mexicans to translate for the new arivals from that country.


                              > The second biggest tv networks/channels in the US are Spanish speaking.
                              >
                              > And as for Germans learning Albanian, I don't think it would be a problem for
                              > them. Although at the moment, Turkish would probably be first on the list.
                              >
                              >
                              > How funny that you write your racist statements in polish, is it perhaps
                              > because you hope the Spanish speaking users of this forum won't understand
                              you?

                              All two of them? I remember post of one Spaniard living in Poland, looking for
                              compatriots in Warsaw, it went unanswered for months..


                              > And what do your stereotypical comments have to do with the subject of your
                              > private forum where you state:
                              > "Let's love ourselves and others"
                              > "This is a forum for all those who don't accept for stereotypes...." etc.
                              >
                              >
                              > Hypocrite.

                              You don't have to ignore problems and pretend everybody is perfect in order to
                              be considered fair and "loving person"...What I said about Mexican population
                              is true, of course there is hope, and exception from the rule.
                                • waldek1610 Re: Not everything that sounds derogatory is raci 12.01.06, 12:06
                                  missus.c napisała:

                                  > derogatory?
                                  > Please don't use words you don't know the meaning of.

                                  Am I talking to some school girl, who thought she can win argument with her
                                  naive politically correct views forced on her in her school? Appearantly....
                                  Not everything that sounds derogatory is racist (nie wszystko co brzmi
                                  negatywnie jest (obrazliwe) rasistowskie.

                                  Just because you reprimend or say negative things about other group doesn't
                                  make you racist, it makes you ....normal person that is not blind that's all.

                                  I know you can't understand that because they tought you in school to believe
                                  you black friends who blame their drug addiction and crimes they committ to
                                  their poverty and suppoused "discrimination"...
                                    • waldek1610 Re: Not everything that sounds derogatory is raci 12.01.06, 12:29
                                      Some people need to be loved some need to be reprimended, remember that.

                                      Oposite to what they teach you in the anglo-saxon schools, nobody has a right
                                      to use their race to excause their laziness and lack of morals. You expect me
                                      to love a rat, a parasite.

                                      How can I love people who avoid work, are burden to society and pretend to be
                                      disanfranchised?

                                      I love those that diserve it, there's no free lov even in the free world..
                                      • russh Re: Not everything that sounds derogatory is raci 12.01.06, 15:15
                                        waldek1610 napisał:

                                        > Some people need to be loved some need to be reprimended, remember that.
                                        >
                                        > Oposite to what they teach you in the anglo-saxon schools, nobody has a right
                                        > to use their race to excause their laziness and lack of morals. You expect me
                                        > to love a rat, a parasite.

                                        You've been to, or know what is taught in Anglo Saxon-schools? I have, and my
                                        children do. Sorry, you are wrong yet again.


                                        >
                                        > How can I love people who avoid work, are burden to society and pretend to be
                                        > disanfranchised?

                                        Who is asking you to?

                                        >
                                        > I love those that diserve it, there's no free lov even in the free world..

                                        I know lots of good people, all of many races and religions. I like many people,
                                        irrespective of their race or religion. I love very few people. What is
                                        deserving of your love Waldek, and how many people do you love? Could you love me?

                                        • waldek1610 Is this how your brain works? 13.01.06, 08:02
                                          russh napisał:

                                          > I know lots of good people, all of many races and religions. I like many
                                          people
                                          > ,
                                          > irrespective of their race or religion. I love very few people. What is
                                          > deserving of your love Waldek, and how many people do you love? Could you
                                          love
                                          > me?

                                          OK, but if you compared Gemany and Poland, which country makes better impresion
                                          on you? You British people build statues to colonists and occupiers, and not
                                          bother to see what is freedom worth. You think freedom has something to do with
                                          being able to subjecate other peoples...So I think your answer is going to be
                                          Germany.

                                          And if I asked you about 6 milions Poles brutally murdered by Germans, you
                                          would of course ignore that inconvienient question and say "Germans are
                                          civilised society" And if I asked you why, you wouldnt know exactly why. But
                                          you as the westerner judge people based on their political/economic importance,
                                          And because germans make good cars they diserve praise, not poles who don't. Is
                                          that how your brain works?
                                          • ianek70 Re: Is this how your brain works? 13.01.06, 12:35
                                            Here's a photo of Claudia Schiffer.
                                            www.chebelle.com/sfondi_desktop_sexy/claudia_schiffer_1_g.html
                                            She's a German. From Germany.
                                            When you look at this picture, do you think:
                                            a) Ooh, what a sweet smile.
                                            b) Wahey! Nice tits!
                                            c) Fascist workaholic car-building rich sauerkraut-sucking bitch, when's she
                                            going to apologise for the war and give Poland some money?
                                            • waldek1610 Re: Is this how your brain works? 13.01.06, 12:47
                                              Here's Kombi's (polish rock band) website. If you live in the West chances
                                              are....well, quite frankly, unless you're a Pole; you never heard of them...
                                              Why is that? Is their music so much worse then U2 or are they simply ignored
                                              because they are not from anglo-saxon country and worst jet they sing in
                                              Polish?

                                              www.kombii.pl
                                              • ianek70 Re: Is this how your brain works? 13.01.06, 13:18
                                                waldek1610 napisał:

                                                > Here's Kombi's (polish rock band) website. If you live in the West chances
                                                > are....well, quite frankly, unless you're a Pole; you never heard of them...
                                                > Why is that? Is their music so much worse then U2 or are they simply ignored
                                                > because they are not from anglo-saxon country and worst jet they sing in
                                                > Polish?

                                                Waldo, they are a crap 80's pop band.
                                                They are popular in Poland now because they reformed as Kombii to cash in on an
                                                80's New Romantic revival. For a while obciachowa muza and stupid 80's
                                                hairstyles were cool, so that baldy guitarist stupidly disbanded his new group
                                                and sold his soul, dignity and possibly arse.
                                                Now they have to tour constantly (partly as a novelty act, partly as nostalgia
                                                for drunk thirty-something ex-popersi) to make a living, and they appear on
                                                every cheap TV programme to remind people that they exist.
                                                So you don't fancy Claudia, then?
                                                • usenetposts Re: Is this how your brain works? 13.01.06, 13:38
                                                  ianek70 napisał:

                                                  > waldek1610 napisał:
                                                  >
                                                  > > Here's Kombi's (polish rock band) website. If you live in the West chance
                                                  > s
                                                  > > are....well, quite frankly, unless you're a Pole; you never heard of them
                                                  > ...
                                                  > > Why is that? Is their music so much worse then U2 or are they simply igno
                                                  > red
                                                  > > because they are not from anglo-saxon country and worst jet they sing in
                                                  > > Polish?
                                                  >
                                                  > Waldo, they are a crap 80's pop band.
                                                  > They are popular in Poland now because they reformed as Kombii to cash in on
                                                  an
                                                  >
                                                  > 80's New Romantic revival. For a while obciachowa muza and stupid 80's
                                                  > hairstyles were cool, so that baldy guitarist stupidly disbanded his new
                                                  group
                                                  > and sold his soul, dignity and possibly arse.
                                                  > Now they have to tour constantly (partly as a novelty act, partly as
                                                  nostalgia
                                                  > for drunk thirty-something ex-popersi) to make a living, and they appear on
                                                  > every cheap TV programme to remind people that they exist.
                                                  > So you don't fancy Claudia, then

                                                  Her hands are too small and her Adam's apple doesn't stick out enough for
                                                  Waldek's liking. He already told us he is besotted with the blonde backing
                                                  singer of kombii, and gave us photographic evidence that she has precisely
                                                  those manly features.

                                                  It reminds me of the black-eyed peas a bit:

                                                  "Whatcha gonna do with all that adam's apple,
                                                  All that adam's apple inside your shirt?"
                                                  "I'm gonna make you, make you paint
                                                  Make you paint until you faint".
                                                • waldek1610 More embarrasaing;Japan's rock or Polish hip-hop? 14.01.06, 08:07
                                                  New is not nessesery ...better. Mr Ianek. Just because young Poles like to
                                                  pretend to be black and act like white monkeys its their problem. And theirs
                                                  hip-hop is as "good" and respected in the World as Japanesse pop and rock is...

                                                  I seriously doubt if the single african american would bother to listen to it.
                                            • usenetposts Re: Is this how your brain works? 13.01.06, 13:14
                                              ianek70 napisał:

                                              > Here's a photo of Claudia Schiffer.
                                              > www.chebelle.com/sfondi_desktop_sexy/claudia_schiffer_1_g.html
                                              > She's a German. From Germany.
                                              > When you look at this picture, do you think:
                                              > a) Ooh, what a sweet smile.
                                              > b) Wahey! Nice tits!
                                              > c) Fascist workaholic car-building rich sauerkraut-sucking bitch, when's she
                                              > going to apologise for the war and give Poland some money?

                                              d) - why has that page uploaded a piece of malware called dialer s.planet onto
                                              my system?

                                              Ian - check your phone bill.
                                                • usenetposts Re: Is this how your brain works? 13.01.06, 13:31
                                                  ianek70 napisał:

                                                  > usenetposts napisał:
                                                  >
                                                  > > d) - why has that page uploaded a piece of malware called dialer s.planet
                                                  >
                                                  > onto
                                                  > > my system?
                                                  >
                                                  > Fuck.
                                                  > Where is it uploaded to? My antivirus thing didn't find it.

                                                  Because it's not actually a virus, it's a dialer. It makes your computer dial
                                                  an expensive number to listen to a recording of some old tart tell yourcomputer
                                                  what colour knickers she's wearing. If you are on a dial-up modem, then when
                                                  you think you are offline it could spring up and dial that number and set you
                                                  back a few bob.

                                                  Details about that malware are right here.

                                                  securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/dialer.splanet.html
                                                  It tells you how to get rid of it.
                                                  • ianek70 Re: Dialer 13.01.06, 13:42
                                                    usenetposts napisał:

                                                    > My antivirus thing didn't find it.
                                                    >
                                                    > Because it's not actually a virus, it's a dialer. It makes your computer dial
                                                    > an expensive number to listen to a recording of some old tart tell
                                                    yourcomputer
                                                    >
                                                    > what colour knickers she's wearing. If you are on a dial-up modem, then when
                                                    > you think you are offline it could spring up and dial that number and set you
                                                    > back a few bob.

                                                    It may not consider itself a virus, but it's still a wee bastard in my book sad
                                                    I haven't got a dial-up modem, but I deleted something anyway, possibly the
                                                    wrong thing.
                                                  • ianek70 Re: Is this how your brain works? 17.01.06, 16:06
                                                    waldek1610 napisał:

                                                    > I didn't bother to
                                                    > open Claudia Scheifer's pic so I don't care much... wink

                                                    Don't worry, Waldo, nowadays you don't have to be interested in attractive
                                                    women to be a real man.
                                                    After all, Elton John's happily married smile
                                                • waldek1610 Re: Is this how your brain works? 14.01.06, 08:14
                                                  ianek70 napisał:

                                                  > usenetposts napisał:
                                                  >
                                                  > > d) - why has that page uploaded a piece of malware called dialer s.planet
                                                  >
                                                  > onto
                                                  > > my system?
                                                  >
                                                  > Fuck.
                                                  > Where is it uploaded to? My antivirus thing didn't find it.


                                                  See, how stuid you are. You think you always know better, but you let others
                                                  get you by some picture of some silly British blond.....
                                                  • usenetposts Nicky Ship's got decent nips. 14.01.06, 11:49
                                                    Mr 1610 wrote:

                                                    > See, how stuid you are. You think you always know better, but you let others
                                                    > get you by some picture of some silly British blond.....

                                                    She's not British. Does "Claudia Schiffer" sound British to you?

                                                    She'd be Nicola Shipper, in that case, you stuid erson.
                                      • ianek70 Anglo-Saxon Schools???? 12.01.06, 15:23
                                        waldek1610 napisał:

                                        > Oposite to what they teach you in the anglo-saxon schools,

                                        What are anglo-saxon schools?
                                        I think this finally proves that Waldo hasn't visited Europe since the 9th
                                        century.
                          • ianek70 Re: Englishman"masters"foreign tounge,learning 50 12.01.06, 12:44
                            waldek1610 napisał:

                            > Hiszpanski jest w USA praktycznie jezykiem niskich sfer spoleczenstwa, bo
                            uzywa
                            >
                            > sie go glownie zeby powiedziec emigrantowi meksykanskiemu za co jest
                            > aresztowany przez policje na drodze, i po to zeby powiedziec Meksykanskim
                            > pracownikom jak scinac trawe i jak wyczyscic ubikacje...

                            How very PC smile
                            In Britain, we speak to Polish cleaners in English, and in Germany they speak
                            to them in German.

                            > Jesli chodzi i elity i administracje USA (lokalne i federalne), to beda sie
                            > uczyc Hiszpanskiego wtedy gdy Niemcy zaczna sie uczyc albanskiego....

                            Apparently even George W speaks excellent Spanish, so duhet marr parasysh, as
                            they say in Stuttgart.
                            • waldek1610 Re: Englishman"masters"foreign tounge,learning 50 12.01.06, 13:00
                              ianek70 napisał:

                              > waldek1610 napisał:
                              >
                              > > Hiszpanski jest w USA praktycznie jezykiem niskich sfer spoleczenstwa, bo
                              >
                              > uzywa
                              > >
                              > > sie go glownie zeby powiedziec emigrantowi meksykanskiemu za co jest
                              > > aresztowany przez policje na drodze, i po to zeby powiedziec Meksykanskim
                              >
                              > > pracownikom jak scinac trawe i jak wyczyscic ubikacje...
                              >
                              > How very PC smile
                              > In Britain, we speak to Polish cleaners in English, and in Germany they speak
                              > to them in German.


                              But I don't claim its rasist to say that....because its pretty much the truth.
                              So why can't you say something about Mexicans, just because you should speak
                              about others only in positive light? Isn't it politically correct utopia?
                              > > Jesli chodzi i elity i administracje USA (lokalne i federalne), to beda s
                              > ie
                              > > uczyc Hiszpanskiego wtedy gdy Niemcy zaczna sie uczyc albanskiego....
                              >
                              > Apparently even George W speaks excellent Spanish, so duhet marr parasysh, as
                              > they say in Stuttgart.
          • usenetposts Re: Davey, you're invited..that if you learn poli 09.01.06, 10:59
            waldek1610 napisał:

            > usenetposts napisał:
            >
            > > I got bad news for you too, Waldek, you're welcome to be here.
            > >
            > > I know you'd rather have conflict, but I open my arms in Christian love,
            > which
            > > is anything but cold and distant.
            > >
            > > Not homosexual love, I hasten to add.
            > >
            > > How about a link to JUST ONE of your promising new paintings?
            >
            > I said I will post it when I have a collection ready to be shown to the
            World,
            > for now I'm still working on it. Anyways, I would be delighted if you helped
            me
            >
            > find some info on that ill-fated Stanislaus Collection... The one that King
            > Stanislav Augustus Poniatowski spend equvalent of bilions of US Dollars, and
            > English failed to "deliver" it so now your people can enjoy it.....Is UK
            > planing on returning it to Poland anytime soon?
            >

            Are we talking about the fake Roman jewellery he commissioned, here, Waldek?

            www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/Gems/Poniatowski/Script/Intro.htm
            I wouldn't worry that much about it. Maybe you will see one on the antiques
            roadshow, going "cheap as chips" or whatever they say these days.
            • waldek1610 British Empire unsankable as The Titanic!!! 09.01.06, 11:26
              usenetposts napisał:

              > waldek1610 napisał:
              > >Anyways, I would be delighted if you helped me
              > > find some info on that ill-fated Stanislaus Collection... The one that
              > >King Stanislav Augustus Poniatowski spend equvalent of bilions of US
              > >Dollars, and English failed to "deliver" it so now your people can enjoy
              > >it.....Is UK planing on returning it to Poland anytime soon?
              > >
              >
              > Are we talking about the fake Roman jewellery he commissioned, here, Waldek?

              ....yeah, and Brits broke Enigma-Nazi Germany Codding machine (10 years after
              Poles done it, but who cares Poles don't sound so proud as your
              British "inteligence"..God save the Queen!.... because the other way this
              eldery woman going to be mistaken with the tacky dressed church lady....

              So is this arrogance... your official tactics British Governement employs to
              keep the Collection? I'll be dammed.

              I was talking about Stanislaus Collection; pictures painted by Rembrandt,
              Rubens, Tycjan, sketches by Michallo-Angelo and Da Vinci... basically half of
              everything hanging on Backingham Palace walls and Tate Gallery. No you remember
              now?

              > www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/Gems/Poniatowski/Script/Intro.htm

              > I wouldn't worry that much about it. Maybe you will see one on the antiques
              > roadshow, going "cheap as chips" or whatever they say these days.

              But wait, isn't most of attic finds shown on that show are of English origin
              anyways? Grandma Emma's fake- Victorian tea set and that sort of things?
                • waldek1610 Re: Not so difficult to find 09.01.06, 12:52
                  russh napisał:

                  > Go to Dulwich.
                  >
                  > www.dulwichpicturegallery.org.uk/history/default.aspx


                  Well, I guess Davey, is not going to give me crap next time, how about that
                  Rembrands and Botticielli, Tycian and other Italian Masters.....Told you!
                  • russh Re: Not so difficult to find 09.01.06, 13:31
                    Told him what?

                    Was it their fault that Poland was no more?

                    Anyway, their are also a few pieces of the collection in Italy - back home eh!

                    By the way, how much money was paid of Polish money for the collection in the
                    first place - there is no mention of it anywhere.
                    • waldek1610 Re: Not so difficult to find 12.01.06, 10:34
                      russh napisał:

                      > Told him what?
                      >
                      > Was it their fault that Poland was no more?



                      But as you propably noticed Poland reemerged and polish president is took role
                      of polish kings....If the Stanislaus Collection was paid for Polish King in
                      1790'ties ....it was paid, and brits are only still a depositaries, an should
                      have returned the collection to Polish state now!
                  • usenetposts Re: Not so difficult to find 09.01.06, 16:27
                    It doesn't say on that website that Poland paid for them, only that a King
                    ordered them as a private person and then didn't follow through as he got
                    kicked out. Were they supposed to hand that lot over to the Germans and the
                    Austrians and the Russians?

                    Is there an invoice anywhere that shows that Poniatowski ever paid for them?

                    Anyway, he's got his bridge in Warsaw, he should make the Most of that.
                    • waldek1610 Lets plunder Great Britain for a change....!!! 12.01.06, 10:44
                      usenetposts napisał:

                      > It doesn't say on that website that Poland paid for them, only that a King
                      > ordered them as a private person and then didn't follow through as he got
                      > kicked out. Were they supposed to hand that lot over to the Germans and the
                      > Austrians and the Russians?



                      Don't be silly Davey! If you get sick and go to the hospital is your property
                      going to be grabbed by state and your neigbours? Of course not, just because
                      you are "out for whille" doesn't mean that state or other adversaries have to
                      take advantage of it....It seems that UK did...but who am I asking for honesty
                      and fairness, the biggest plunderer nation of all time?

                      Im sure that Stanislaus Collection althoug it is worth bilions of US
                      Dollars....there's much more artifacts and art stolen form Grecce, Egipt, India
                      still in the British museums....


                      > Is there an invoice anywhere that shows that Poniatowski ever paid for them?
                      >
                      > Anyway, he's got his bridge in Warsaw, he should make the Most of that.
                      >
                      I say we plunder UK now, and leave Brits the Big Ben so they know what time to
                      have some cookies and tea...
                      • russh Re: Lets plunder Great Britain for a change....!! 12.01.06, 10:51
                        waldek1610 napisał:

                        > usenetposts napisał:
                        >
                        > > It doesn't say on that website that Poland paid for them, only that a Kin
                        > g
                        > > ordered them as a private person and then didn't follow through as he got
                        >
                        > > kicked out. Were they supposed to hand that lot over to the Germans and t
                        > he
                        > > Austrians and the Russians?
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Don't be silly Davey! If you get sick and go to the hospital is your property
                        > going to be grabbed by state and your neigbours? Of course not, just because
                        > you are "out for whille" doesn't mean that state or other adversaries have to
                        > take advantage of it....It seems that UK did...but who am I asking for honesty
                        > and fairness, the biggest plunderer nation of all time?

                        Yup! The greatest nation of all time. So small yet so great. No wonder it irks
                        you so much. Difference is that we know that it's all in the past. You still
                        live in the past. Silly Waldek!


                        >
                        > Im sure that Stanislaus Collection althoug it is worth bilions of US
                        > Dollars....there's much more artifacts and art stolen form Grecce, Egipt, India
                        >
                        > still in the British museums....

                        Do you know how much a billion dollars is?

                        >
                        >
                        > > Is there an invoice anywhere that shows that Poniatowski ever paid for th
                        > em?
                        > >
                        > > Anyway, he's got his bridge in Warsaw, he should make the Most of that.
                        > >
                        > I say we plunder UK now, and leave Brits the Big Ben so they know what time to
                        > have some cookies and tea...

                        They're waiting for you Waldek. Suggest you get the plane to Leeds (there's lots
                        of Muslims there that would agree with you), and work your way down.
                        • waldek1610 Re: Lets plunder Great Britain for a change....!! 12.01.06, 11:55
                          missus.c napisała:

                          > waldek1610 napisał:
                          >
                          >
                          > > >
                          > > I say we plunder UK now, and leave Brits the Big Ben so they know what ti
                          > me
                          > to
                          > > have some cookies and tea...
                          >
                          > Off you go then.
                          > btw. the Brits don't have cookies but biscuits. And there you go with
                          > stereotyping again....


                          Poles don't have polish ravioli and sausages but pierogies and kielbasa. And
                          there you go with stereotyping again. Biscuits or cookies, gas or petrol...who
                          cares, you know what I mean.
                              • missus.c Re: Lets plunder Great Britain for a change....!! 12.01.06, 12:16
                                waldek1610 napisał:

                                > Go ahead be politically correct and kiss a black person in the getto, but
                                make
                                > sure he deoesn't rape you....
                                >
                                > You're so naive...


                                And that's not racist? Oh please... go and do some reading. You're pathetic!
                                If you're so clever and open and sensitive as you say, why not link up your
                                previous post to you 'let there be love and let's fight stereotypes' forum -
                                see what a reaction it gets. If anyone reads it, that is.

                                • waldek1610 Re: Lets plunder Great Britain for a change....!! 12.01.06, 12:24
                                  missus.c napisała:

                                  > waldek1610 napisał:
                                  >
                                  > > Go ahead be politically correct and kiss a black person in the getto, but
                                  >
                                  > make
                                  > > sure he deoesn't rape you....
                                  > >
                                  > > You're so naive...
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > And that's not racist? Oh please... go and do some reading. You're pathetic!
                                  > If you're so clever and open and sensitive as you say, why not link up your
                                  > previous post to you 'let there be love and let's fight stereotypes' forum -
                                  > see what a reaction it gets. If anyone reads it, that is.
                                  >

                                  Did I say anywhere in my post "lets love lazy people" who blame all their
                                  misfortunes on other rase, instead of simply going to work? I believe that not
                                  being able to tell bad from good is just as bad as being rasist. But rasism, at
                                  least in US seemed to seize to exist, if theres any its the oposite rasism now.

                                  Don't tell me that you can't see that black people just pretend to fight for
                                  their right to be "equal", what they really want is now to be the "better,
                                  prefered rase". If you don't believe me try to get a city or state job in
                                  Chicago or in Illinois. The unofficial policy is "Whites not need to apply"...
                                  • ianek70 Re: Lets plunder Great Britain for a change....!! 12.01.06, 12:58
                                    waldek1610 napisał:

                                    > Did I say anywhere in my post "lets love lazy people" who blame all their
                                    > misfortunes on other rase, instead of simply going to work?

                                    Obviously anyone who thinks all whites are racist is just as stupid as someone
                                    who thinks all blacks are lazy.

                                    > I believe that not
                                    > being able to tell bad from good is just as bad as being rasist. But rasism,
                                    at
                                    >
                                    > least in US seemed to seize to exist, if theres any its the oposite rasism
                                    now.
                                    >
                                    > Don't tell me that you can't see that black people just pretend to fight for
                                    > their right to be "equal", what they really want is now to be the "better,
                                    > prefered rase".

                                    Are you sure the black people you know are a good cross-section of the black
                                    community in your area?
                                    • waldek1610 Re: Lets plunder Great Britain for a change....!! 12.01.06, 13:05
                                      ianek70 napisał:

                                      > waldek1610 napisał:
                                      >
                                      > > Did I say anywhere in my post "lets love lazy people" who blame all their
                                      >
                                      > > misfortunes on other rase, instead of simply going to work?
                                      >
                                      > Obviously anyone who thinks all whites are racist is just as stupid as
                                      someone
                                      > who thinks all blacks are lazy.

                                      But as you propably noticed black people are not bombarded with ads on TV that
                                      show only good, rightous white folks. If black people are really good and
                                      rightous why they don't simply show it every day, instead of forcing us to
                                      believe they are good whille in fact majority of them are criminals, lazies
                                      and don't have any morals.

                                      > > I believe that not
                                      > > being able to tell bad from good is just as bad as being rasist. But rasi
                                      > sm,
                                      > at
                                      > >
                                      > > least in US seemed to seize to exist, if theres any its the oposite rasis
                                      > m
                                      > now.
                                      > >
                                      > > Don't tell me that you can't see that black people just pretend to fight
                                      > for
                                      > > their right to be "equal", what they really want is now to be the "better
                                      > ,
                                      > > prefered rase".
                                      >
                                      > Are you sure the black people you know are a good cross-section of the black
                                      > community in your area?
                                      • ianek70 Re: Lets plunder Great Britain for a change....!! 12.01.06, 13:35
                                        waldek1610 napisał:

                                        > But as you propably noticed black people are not bombarded with ads on TV
                                        that
                                        > show only good, rightous white folks.

                                        Waldo, I live in Europe and have no idea what black folk see on US tv, I also
                                        don't know if it's any different from what white folks see.

                                        > If black people are really good and
                                        > rightous why they don't simply show it every day, instead of forcing us to
                                        > believe they are good whille in fact majority of them are criminals, lazies
                                        > and don't have any morals.

                                        Who said all black people are good and righteous? That would be as stupid as
                                        saying all white people are good and righteous.
                                        This is obvious even to you, and you're just trying to be annoying.

                                        > > Are you sure the black people you know are a good cross-section of the bl
                                        > ack
                                        > > community in your area?
                                        >
                                        >

                                        No answer to this question?
                                        You're not even trying to say all your Afro-American friends are thieves and
                                        pimps? So does your knowledge of Black America come from TV and Nasz Dziennik
                                        online, the same as your knowledge of Europe?
              • usenetposts Re: Polish Umpire unthinkable as The Titanium!!! 09.01.06, 16:14
                waldek1610 napisał:

                > usenetposts napisał:
                >
                > > waldek1610 napisał:
                > > >Anyways, I would be delighted if you helped me
                > > > find some info on that ill-fated Stanislaus Collection... The one
                > that
                > > >King Stanislav Augustus Poniatowski spend equvalent of bilions of US
                >
                > > >Dollars, and English failed to "deliver" it so now your people can e
                > njoy
                > > >it.....Is UK planing on returning it to Poland anytime soon?
                > > >
                > >
                > > Are we talking about the fake Roman jewellery he commissioned, here, Wald
                > ek?
                >
                > ....yeah, and Brits broke Enigma-Nazi Germany Codding machine (10 years after
                > Poles done it, but who cares Poles don't sound so proud as your
                > British "inteligence"..God save the Queen!.... because the other way this
                > eldery woman going to be mistaken with the tacky dressed church lady....
                >
                > So is this arrogance... your official tactics British Governement employs to
                > keep the Collection? I'll be dammed.
                >
                > I was talking about Stanislaus Collection; pictures painted by Rembrandt,
                > Rubens, Tycjan, sketches by Michallo-Angelo and Da Vinci... basically half of
                > everything hanging on Backingham Palace walls and Tate Gallery. No you
                remember
                >
                > now?

                When I looked up "Stanislaus Collection" on Google, the only sensible hit I got
                was a debt collecting company. Are you sure this isn't something only you have
                dreamed up, Waldek?

                >
                > > www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/Gems/Poniatowski/Script/Intro.htm
                >
                > > I wouldn't worry that much about it. Maybe you will see one on the antiqu
                > es
                > > roadshow, going "cheap as chips" or whatever they say these days.
                >
                > But wait, isn't most of attic finds shown on that show are of English origin
                > anyways? Grandma Emma's fake- Victorian tea set and that sort of things?
                >

                There's no way fake Victorianiania could be confused with Attic art, or even
                Doric art, for that matter.
                • bartis_ervin Re: Polish Umpire unthinkable as The Titanium!!! 09.01.06, 17:17

                  Well, it was quite interesting and entertaining to read Waldek again in his own
                  element.

                  Until now, only one thing can really really piss him off: Waldo.

                  We might think that Waldek is extremely "tough", but even he is able to say nice
                  things. I remember when he wrote to Davey that he hopes that he and his wife
                  will be able to spend their Christmas in a free Belarus. I thought that was
                  really nice.

                  When Waldek is picking on other persons, I try to remember that he is also able
                  to say something nice.

                  Waldek, please do write a bit more in Japanese, not just one line: using Google
                  Translate I can also do that. I will take what you wrote to my Japanese friend
                  and will let you know about your mistakes. Is that a deal?
                  evel)

                  Define IRONY.
                  1. Somebody attacking the anglo-saxon culture/society while living in it and
                  enjoying its benefits.
                  2. Somebody writing "Polska jest w moim sercu!" while living in an anglo-saxon
                  country but having the possibility to come back to Poland.

                  Ervin
                  • waldek1610 British Empire as unsinkable as The Titanic!!! 12.01.06, 10:56
                    bartis_ervin napisał:

                    >
                    > Well, it was quite interesting and entertaining to read Waldek again in his
                    own
                    > element.
                    >
                    > Until now, only one thing can really really piss him off: Waldo.
                    >
                    > We might think that Waldek is extremely "tough", but even he is able to say
                    nic
                    > e
                    > things. I remember when he wrote to Davey that he hopes that he and his wife
                    > will be able to spend their Christmas in a free Belarus. I thought that was
                    > really nice.

                    Yes, I'm praying so Daves's half Belarusian children be finally together with
                    their enslaved nation!

                    > When Waldek is picking on other persons, I try to remember that he is also
                    able
                    > to say something nice.
                    >
                    > Waldek, please do write a bit more in Japanese, not just one line: using
                    Google
                    > Translate I can also do that. I will take what you wrote to my Japanese friend
                    > and will let you know about your mistakes. Is that a deal?
                    > evel)
                    >
                    > Define IRONY.
                    > 1. Somebody attacking the anglo-saxon culture/society while living in it and
                    > enjoying its benefits.

                    Are you sure USA is still an "anglo-saxon" country, apart from its lanugage?

                    > 2. Somebody writing "Polska jest w moim sercu!" while living in an anglo-saxon
                    > country but having the possibility to come back to Poland.
                    >
                    > Ervin


                    Don't you love Hungary Ervin?
                    • bartis_ervin Re: British Empire as unsinkable as The Titanic!! 12.01.06, 16:41

                      "Don't you love Hungary Ervin?"

                      Even if I am Hungarian from Transylvania, I do love Hungary, but I do love more
                      Transylvania.

                      But looks like I don't love it enough to stay there. For me it was more
                      important to do what I love to do, than to live where I was born. Of course, I
                      miss the great mountains, the atmosphere specific to Transylvania and above all
                      my parents. But I don't end my mails or posts with "Transylvania, where my heart
                      is."

                      Of course everybody has different ways of working things out or showing it to
                      others, I totally accept this. The only reason that I've made this remark is
                      that you were critisizing Maggie about her signature. Now you are doing the same
                      thing as you were furious about. You, writing in US that your heart is in
                      Poland, for me at least, it is quite strange. There are ways to make your body
                      and heart be in the same place.

                      On the other hand, your English is not perfect and you make mistakes (just as
                      me), but the native speakers here are gentleman enough not to correct you the
                      way that you corrected, for example Dave's Polish.

                      Ervin

                      Thebartiski.blogspot.com
                      • waldek1610 Re: British Empire as unsankable as The Titanic!! 13.01.06, 08:14
                        bartis_ervin napisał:

                        >
                        > You, writing in US that your heart is in
                        > Poland, for me at least, it is quite strange. There are ways to make your body
                        > and heart be in the same place.

                        If Frederic Chopin could have done otherwise, so can I!


                        > On the other hand, your English is not perfect and you make mistakes (just as
                        > me), but the native speakers here are gentleman enough not to correct you the
                        > way that you corrected, for example Dave's Polish.
                        >
                        > Ervin
                        >
                        You are not reading all posts appearantly. It seems for now that they
                        are "chickens" enough to avoid inconvenient questions.
                        • usenetposts Re: British Empire as unsankable as The Titanic!! 13.01.06, 10:46
                          waldek1610 napisał:

                          > bartis_ervin napisał:
                          >
                          > >
                          > > You, writing in US that your heart is in
                          > > Poland, for me at least, it is quite strange. There are ways to make your
                          > body
                          > > and heart be in the same place.
                          >
                          > If Frederic Chopin could have done otherwise, so can I!
                          >

                          Have you ever been to the Church where his heart is?

                          Incidentally, the Polish Bishops applied at the Vatican to have the heart of
                          JPII excoriated and sent off Chopin-like to Krakow.

                          The Western European cardinals were all sort of looking at each other with a
                          look that said "bloody Polish barbarians, are they in the same Church as us?",
                          and said "no".
                      • usenetposts Re: British Empire as unsinkable as The Titanic!! 13.01.06, 10:51
                        bartis_ervin napisał:

                        >
                        > "Don't you love Hungary Ervin?"
                        >
                        > Even if I am Hungarian from Transylvania, I do love Hungary, but I do love
                        more
                        > Transylvania.
                        >
                        > But looks like I don't love it enough to stay there. For me it was more
                        > important to do what I love to do, than to live where I was born. Of course, I
                        > miss the great mountains, the atmosphere specific to Transylvania and above
                        all
                        > my parents. But I don't end my mails or posts with "Transylvania, where my
                        hear
                        > t
                        > is."
                        >
                        > Of course everybody has different ways of working things out or showing it to
                        > others, I totally accept this. The only reason that I've made this remark is
                        > that you were critisizing Maggie about her signature. Now you are doing the
                        sam
                        > e
                        > thing as you were furious about. You, writing in US that your heart is in
                        > Poland, for me at least, it is quite strange. There are ways to make your body
                        > and heart be in the same place.
                        >
                        > On the other hand, your English is not perfect and you make mistakes (just as
                        > me), but the native speakers here are gentleman enough not to correct you the
                        > way that you corrected, for example Dave's Polish.

                        Oh I think he makes quite a few more mistakes in English than you do, Ervin.

                        On the other hand, I didn't find it offensive that he corrected my Polish. If a
                        few more people did that, then by now I'd be making fewer mistakes in Polish.

                        My prezes banned everyone from improving my Polish in the company, because he
                        is afraid that I'll stop appearing as a Polish-speaking foreigner and the
                        marketing effect won't be so good.

                        --
                        - Uncle Davey's Homepage -
                        :: Foreigners Living in Poland Forum
                          • usenetposts Re: British Empire as unsinkable as The Titanic!! 13.01.06, 13:16
                            missus.c napisała:

                            > > My prezes banned everyone from improving my Polish in the company, becaus
                            > e he
                            > > is afraid that I'll stop appearing as a Polish-speaking foreigner and the
                            >
                            > > marketing effect won't be so good.
                            > >
                            >
                            > Seriously? Why? That's an interesting 'marekting' scheme...hmmm...

                            He thinks that Polish people are intrigued by my foreign accent and mistakes in
                            their language, and that this actually has a positive effect in marketing
                            meetings.
                    • usenetposts Re: British Empire as unsinkable as The Titanic!! 13.01.06, 13:27
                      waldek1610 napisał:

                      > bartis_ervin napisał:
                      >
                      > >
                      > > Well, it was quite interesting and entertaining to read Waldek again in h
                      > is
                      > own
                      > > element.
                      > >
                      > > Until now, only one thing can really really piss him off: Waldo.
                      > >
                      > > We might think that Waldek is extremely "tough", but even he is able to s
                      > ay
                      > nic
                      > > e
                      > > things. I remember when he wrote to Davey that he hopes that he and his w
                      > ife
                      > > will be able to spend their Christmas in a free Belarus. I thought that w
                      > as
                      > > really nice.
                      >
                      > Yes, I'm praying so Daves's half Belarusian children be finally together with
                      > their enslaved nation!

                      Thanks. Being able to drive over there for the odd weekend and let the kids see
                      granny, and maybe buy a disused farmhouse to do up would be a good thing.

                      >
                      > > When Waldek is picking on other persons, I try to remember that he is als
                      > o
                      > able
                      > > to say something nice.
                      > >
                      > > Waldek, please do write a bit more in Japanese, not just one line: using
                      > Google
                      > > Translate I can also do that. I will take what you wrote to my Japanese f
                      > riend
                      > > and will let you know about your mistakes. Is that a deal?
                      > > evel)
                      > >
                      > > Define IRONY.
                      > > 1. Somebody attacking the anglo-saxon culture/society while living in it
                      > and
                      > > enjoying its benefits.
                      >
                      > Are you sure USA is still an "anglo-saxon" country, apart from its lanugage?
                      >

                      Sapir-Whorff wept.

                      > > 2. Somebody writing "Polska jest w moim sercu!" while living in an anglo-
                      > saxon
                      > > country but having the possibility to come back to Poland.
                      > >
                      > > Ervin
                      >
                      >
                      > Don't you love Hungary Ervin?

                      Heh. Who doesn't?
                      Who doesn't, I say?
                      Who doesn't szeretlek the good old magyarul?
                      One bite of kolbasz, one gulp of oszibarackle, one glance across the Bugacs
                      Puszta - is all it takes.
    • ianek70 Interestingly... 13.01.06, 15:17
      Well, not really interestingly, but amusingly...
      Not only has Waldo got more posts on this thread than on his own entire forum,
      but he proudly censors any links from his "let's love each other and not have
      no stereotypes" forum to his racist remarks here.
      So he's back (permanently) on my "lista osób do olewania".
      Even hypocrites don't tolerate hypocrites...
      • usenetposts Re: Interestingly... 17.01.06, 14:55
        ianek70 napisał:

        > Well, not really interestingly, but amusingly...
        > Not only has Waldo got more posts on this thread than on his own entire
        forum,
        > but he proudly censors any links from his "let's love each other and not have
        > no stereotypes" forum to his racist remarks here.
        > So he's back (permanently) on my "lista osób do olewania".
        > Even hypocrites don't tolerate hypocrites...

        it's part of the standard troll toolbox to make out that you are saying
        something in a nice way, or with love or whatever, and then stick the knife in.
        • ianek70 Re: Interestingly... 17.01.06, 15:32
          usenetposts napisał:

          > ianek70 napisał:
          >
          > > Well, not really interestingly, but amusingly...
          > > Not only has Waldo got more posts on this thread than on his own entire
          > forum,
          > > but he proudly censors any links from his "let's love each other and not
          > have
          > > no stereotypes" forum to his racist remarks here.

          > it's part of the standard troll toolbox to make out that you are saying
          > something in a nice way, or with love or whatever, and then stick the knife
          in.

          In fact the link to his comments about Blacks disappeared straight away, but
          his views on Hispanics were still there.
          Somebody who cared could post a link to his posts about gays, anglo-saxons,
          protestants, Americans or whatever.

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