usenetposts 17.01.06, 12:51 I started an opinion poll on that topic on another forum: www.usenetposts.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83 Please have a look in and make your views felt. Odpowiedz Link czytaj wygodnie posty
missus.c Re: Which country should be next in line for the 17.01.06, 13:39 I always imagined it would be the Balkans. But then they went to war. Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: Which country should be next in line for the 17.01.06, 13:59 I think a very good case could be made for Croatia, but then again they were not without their share of misdealing in the period of conflict. The benchmark seems to be how good these countries are at giving up their malefactors and femalefactors for that matter to the Vague Court of Vuman Vights for "doo process", as the Americans cal it, to take place. This is logical. If the countries won't listen and comply with that, then the chances are they won't listen and comply with other EU decisions and directives. And non-complying member states are not very useful member states. A country not too far from where I'm sitting might wanna take that compliance point to heart as well. Odpowiedz Link
marimax Re: Which country should be next in line for the 18.01.06, 01:44 EU will not survive next 10-15 years. Addmitting Poland was the begging of the end for this Polish people are stubborn and independent and will never accept dictate from a foreign rulers. Hitler could not do it, Stalin could not do it and a beaurocrats from Brussel won't be able to do it Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: Which country should be next in line for the 18.01.06, 07:25 I believe that it will survive, but that its form will be changed, to being either more unified (federal states, with unified taxation etc, which is what they have been working towards, and the only logical long-term format if the euro is to continue), or to being an open trade organisation. The first is more likely, as it's the Political agenda. Admitting Poland has not changed many things for the (old) EU in substance, but will make the political agenda more complete, and the region still more stable. It will change many things for Poland, mostly for the better, and from what I've seem of politics here in Poland so far, the EU bureaucracy, which I abhor, will do no worse. Hopefully, whichever way it goes will lead to continuing freedom, a more efficient and less bureaucratic government, greater wealth for its states / nations and a more satisfying & prosperous life for its people. Odpowiedz Link
chris-joe Re: Which country should be next in line for the 25.01.06, 04:18 "EU bureaucracy, which I abhor, will do no worse. Hopefully, whichever way it goes will lead to continuing freedom, a more efficient and less bureaucratic government, greater wealth for its states / nations and a more satisfying & prosperous life for its people." Bad, bad bureaucracy! Still, could I have some? ))))))))))))))) Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: Which country should be next in line for the 18.01.06, 11:59 marimax napisał: > Polish people are stubborn and independent and will never accept dictate from a > > foreign rulers. Since when? > Hitler could not do it, You mean Adolf failed to occupy Poland? > Stalin could not do it So communism never happened in Poland? Poland has never been ruled by Prussians, Russians and Austrians? Warsaw ignores orders from the Pentagon and the Vatican? > and a beaurocrats from Brussel > won't be able to do it If Poles are so proud why don't they give the EU its money back and stop emigrating to Western Europe? Odpowiedz Link
marimax Re: Which country should be next in line for the 18.01.06, 15:22 Yes, all of them tried but for how long ??? All of them lost sooner or later. Poles emigrate now because it is difficult to find a job in Poland and this is the only reason. Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: Which country should be next in line for the 18.01.06, 15:49 marimax napisał: > Yes, all of them tried but for how long ??? Sometimes 40 years, sometimes a few hundred. > All of them lost sooner or later. But not because of Poles. > Poles emigrate now because it is difficult to find a job in Poland and this is > the only reason. Yes, these proud patriotic Poles get more money abroad (in countries ruled by foreigners) than in their own country (ruled by Poles). It's normal to emigrate in these circumstances, a lot of my Polish friends have left and I don't blame them. Poles are as practical and pragmatic as anybody else, so your stereotype about Poles is meaningless in a debate about the future of the EU. Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: Which country should be next in line for the 19.01.06, 01:53 marimax napisał: > EU will not survive next 10-15 years. > Addmitting Poland was the begging of the end for this > Polish people are stubborn and independent and will never accept dictate from a > > foreign rulers. > Hitler could not do it, Stalin could not do it and a beaurocrats from Brussel > won't be able to do it The difference is nobody applied to those others to come and lay down the law here. Poland asked for this. If the people didn't go in with their eyes wide open they can blame their media for sidelining the other view and making it look like the view of extremists and weirdos to stay out of the EU. If Poland removes itself from the EU or is removed for non-compliance, then the repayable debt will be so large it will make the sacrifices that this country made to sort out the London Club look like a teddy bears' picnic. Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: Which country should be next in line for the 24.01.06, 16:16 Will Catalonia be independent before Scotland? Odpowiedz Link