Poland exist thanks to USA and Catholicism

30.01.06, 13:09
This might sound contradictory in the light of what I was saying about the
devils of anglo-saxon cultural domination, but it is never the less truth
that Poland's security depends mainly on its transatlantic ties with US, and
that democratic superpower is a lone guarantee of Poland's independence.

This is the fact that gives Euro-politicians in Brussells goosbumps, but it
would be easier for them to deal with that state of affairs if they
understood why Poland is the way it is, meaning; pro-American, conservative
and catholic.

1.Pro-Americansim; First at all, EU Powers such France, UK proved in the past
that they can not guarantee Poland its security, and failed repetedly as
allies. The third EU Power-Germany was itself the reason of Poland's demise
in the past...

2.Conservatism. Poland's republicanism is based its religion, patriotism and
liberitarian ideals (not to be confused with liberal ideals).

3. Catholisism. Throuhgout Poland over one millenium of statehood, it
depended on Catholic Church as the unifing force, and it proved to guard
against inside and outside oppressors. This explains the disconection between
predominantly protestant Western Europe and Catholic Poland.

While the christianity and Catholic Church before reformantion was the cause
of wars, and became an oppresson of its population in Western Europe, in
Poland the Catholic Churc was quite the oposite. If you consider that lone
fact, you not wonder anymore why is Poish population so predominantly
Catholic, and following Western Europe in liberal tendences.
    • waldek1610 should be;Poland is not following Western Europe.. 30.01.06, 13:15
      in its liberal tendencies.
      • marimax Re: should be;Poland is not following Western Eur 31.01.06, 11:09
        Long live President Bush.
        The only advice I would have for you Mr. President is, if you go to war don't
        try to be nice at the same time.
        • usenetposts Re: should be;Poland is not following Western Eur 31.01.06, 13:14
          marimax napisał:

          > Long live President Bush.
          > The only advice I would have for you Mr. President is, if you go to war don't
          > try to be nice at the same time.

          That's not very savvy advice, though. He has to win over public opinion to the
          expense of the war - that's always been their problem.
    • ianek70 Re: Poland exist thanks to USA and Catholicism 31.01.06, 15:21
      waldek1610 napisał:

      > While the christianity and Catholic Church before reformantion was the cause
      > of wars, and became an oppresson of its population in Western Europe, in
      > Poland the Catholic Churc was quite the oposite. If you consider that lone
      > fact, you not wonder anymore why is Poish population so predominantly
      > Catholic, and following Western Europe in liberal tendences.

      Poles are Catholic because they're told to be Catholic. And if Poland followed
      Western Europe more, then maybe fewer Poles would have to emigrate to Western
      Europe.
      • marimax Re: Poland exist thanks to USA and Catholicism 31.01.06, 18:24
        They only emigrate because because they don't have jobs and not because they
        like gay and lesbian marches, mixed marriages and politically correct idiots
        • ianek70 Re: Poland exist thanks to USA and Catholicism 31.01.06, 18:41
          marimax napisał:

          > They only emigrate because because they don't have jobs

          So instead of emigrating, why don't they pray for an improvement in the Polish
          economy?

          > and not because they
          > like gay and lesbian marches

          Is it better to live in a free country where gays and lesbians have the same
          right to march as anyone else, or in a country where everything is banned if it
          offends some conservative old fart?

          > mixed marriages

          I think you'll find most marriages are mixed. A man and a woman.

          > and politically correct idiots

          Is a politically-correct idiot worse than any other kind of idiot?
          • waldek1610 Re: Poland exist thanks to USA and Catholicism 31.01.06, 23:11
            ianek70 napisał:

            > marimax napisał:
            >
            > > They only emigrate because because they don't have jobs
            >
            > So instead of emigrating, why don't they pray for an improvement in the
            Polish
            > economy?

            Come on Ianek, you know pretty well, that poor folks without jobs are not
            nesseserly lazy and not industrous. It is the fact that Poles are one of the
            most enterprenual and bussiness savy nations in World.

            But you don't expect everyone to open 1 person bussiness, because those
            bussinesses are not going to trive, because majority of Poles about 90% have
            virtually little or no purchasing power, to put it bluntly even is someone
            going to open a bussiness, most people can not affort its services, and those
            that can allready been served....


            > > and not because they
            > > like gay and lesbian marches
            >
            > Is it better to live in a free country where gays and lesbians have the same
            > right to march as anyone else, or in a country where everything is banned if
            it
            >
            > offends some conservative old fart?
            >
            > > mixed marriages
            >
            > I think you'll find most marriages are mixed. A man and a woman.
            >
            > > and politically correct idiots
            >
            > Is a politically-correct idiot worse than any other kind of idiot?
            • ianek70 Re: Poland exist thanks to USA and Catholicism 01.02.06, 10:01
              waldek1610 napisał:

              > ianek70 napisał:

              > > So instead of emigrating, why don't they pray for an improvement in the
              > Polish
              > > economy?
              >
              > Come on Ianek, you know pretty well, that poor folks without jobs are not
              > nesseserly lazy and not industrous.

              Nobody said they were.

              It is the fact that Poles are one of the
              > most enterprenual and bussiness savy nations in World.

              That's a scientifically proven fact, is it?

              > But you don't expect everyone to open 1 person bussiness, because those
              > bussinesses are not going to trive, because majority of Poles about 90% have
              > virtually little or no purchasing power, to put it bluntly even is someone
              > going to open a bussiness, most people can not affort its services, and those
              > that can allready been served....

              I know what the economic situation in Poland is, because I live here.
              • waldek1610 Re: Poland exist thanks to USA and Catholicism 02.02.06, 07:34
                ianek70 napisał:

                > I know what the economic situation in Poland is, because I live here.

                Is that also "a scientifically proven fact"..... that any person who lives in
                Poland is an expert of the local economy?
        • waldek1610 Re: Poland exist thanks to USA and Catholicism 31.01.06, 23:02
          marimax napisał:

          > They only emigrate because because they don't have jobs and not because they
          > like gay and lesbian marches, mixed marriages and politically correct idiots


          There you go Marimax! Its all about money, the fact I'm in US doesn't mean that
          I nesesserly like everything around me, but for the most part USA is the
          society that is more livable than Poland.
      • waldek1610 Re: Poland exist thanks to USA and Catholicism 31.01.06, 23:00
        ianek70 napisał:

        > Poles are Catholic because they're told to be Catholic. And if Poland
        followed
        > Western Europe more, then maybe fewer Poles would have to emigrate to Western
        > Europe.

        Following Western Europe in what way? Are you implying that copying Western
        Europe alone will grag Poland out of it's high unemlpyment, underdeveloped hi-
        tech industries and so forth?

        What you just said actually makes sense, because if Poland followed Germany or
        France in its brutal trade tactics, it would be killing competiniton in those
        countries and flooding those countries with automobiles and other hi-tech,
        profitable bussiess...

        As far as the moral picture of Western Europe goes; it is decadent and lost its
        liberatarian ideals and turning into chaos.
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