Barbarians

03.02.06, 11:34
What do you call a nation who's military distroys pictures and memorablia
that once belonged to one of the World's greatest music composers Frederic
Chopin? I would call them barbaric! It's just incomprehensible why Nazi
Germany did that? Did they seriously believed that they can finish off
Poland, by distroying traces of its culture?

I still want to cry, whenever I remember what German militry has done during
WWII with Polish national treasure and arts..including portraits, and whole
collections of artifacts belonging to genius polish composer Frederic
Chopin....I seriously doubt that if your reversed roles, Polish military
would do the same thing with J.S. Bachs memorablia.



    • usenetposts Re: Barbarians 03.02.06, 17:53
      waldek1610 napisał:

      > What do you call a nation who's military distroys pictures and memorablia
      > that once belonged to one of the World's greatest music composers Frederic
      > Chopin? I would call them barbaric! It's just incomprehensible why Nazi
      > Germany did that? Did they seriously believed that they can finish off
      > Poland, by distroying traces of its culture?
      >
      > I still want to cry, whenever I remember what German militry has done during
      > WWII with Polish national treasure and arts..including portraits, and whole
      > collections of artifacts belonging to genius polish composer Frederic
      > Chopin....I seriously doubt that if your reversed roles, Polish military
      > would do the same thing with J.S. Bachs memorablia.
      >

      On the contrary, many Polish students have studied Bach assiduously and added
      to the body of learning about Bach - even one colleague from our Firm has a
      book in print about Bach's cantata's.

      Nevertheless, you cannot make moderm Germans responsible for all the acts of
      Hitler's army, of which the destruction of artwork was by no means the greatest
      crime.
      • terra-nova Funny subject 05.02.06, 06:10
        Is there any reason to talk about what German soldiers did over sixty years
        ago? Waldek my friend, you are naive thinking that Polish soldiers would not do
        this or that. Waldek, nowdays nearly every week a "good" Polish mother throws
        away her new born baby to the trashcan. Forget brother about Polish soldiers
        think about "good" Polish mothers now in Poland 2006! Does that tell you
        something?
    • zaara1 Re: Barbarians 03.02.06, 18:14
      Waldek1610 is correct! I am not for blaming the young generations of Germans
      for all of our modern day problems, but the fact of the matter is that because
      of what their fathers and grandfathers did, our Country has many of the
      problems that it would otherwise not have. Furthermore, during a visit to
      Germany I got the impression that a lot of the young Germans have
      this "Herrenvolk" attitude and that our western territories are still "unser
      Osten" (our east). So I don't have any sympathy towards the "poor" Germans.
      Hands off our country and its problems since you are the collective cause of
      many of them.
      • russh Re: Barbarians 03.02.06, 18:30
        I have to say I very much understand the sentiments.

        60 years in not a long time to forgive let alone forget the atrocities that
        occurred in Poland during and after WW2, committed firstly by the Germans and
        then by the Russians.

        Personally I believe that Germany should be ashamed of itself for putting a
        block on Polish workers, as should the EU for allowing it. Today's Germans
        should be paying in some way for what their fathers did (I believe that their
        parents generation did not) - and I mean financially. Hard, but just.
        • usenetposts Re: Barbarians 03.02.06, 19:00
          Hi Russ.

          The German government has paid some compensation to the survivors of the Nazi
          regime. The compensation has not been adequate, but the international community
          is well aware that the Treaty of Versailles, in which Germany was charged with
          punitive damages for its work in the first world war, caused a lot of the
          resentment which led to the second world war.

          You cannot ever extract a just punishment, as to do so would mean crushing them
          to the degree that we would have a very sick and unstable player in the middle
          of Europe, instead of the relatively healthy and constructive one we now have.
          Sure, a lot of them have wrong attitudes still, but what was the point in
          assuming that an internet colleague who chose to live in Poland shares some of
          the old fashioned ideas of some of his countrymen? Isn't that just a prejudice?
          • usenetposts Re: Barbarians 03.02.06, 19:01
            The second part of that was more to zaara, by the way.
          • russh Re: Barbarians 03.02.06, 19:08
            > Hi Russ.
            >
            > The German government has paid some compensation to the survivors of the Nazi
            > regime. The compensation has not been adequate, but the international community
            >
            > is well aware that the Treaty of Versailles, in which Germany was charged with
            > punitive damages for its work in the first world war, caused a lot of the
            > resentment which led to the second world war.
            >
            > You cannot ever extract a just punishment, as to do so would mean crushing them
            >
            > to the degree that we would have a very sick and unstable player in the middle
            > of Europe, instead of the relatively healthy and constructive one we now have.

            Hi Dave,

            I again understand the contra argument. My point is tw fold; firstly that even
            though there will never be adequate justice, there should have been more
            (although not to the point of creating a long term political problem); secondly
            that it is absolutely against all sense of justice that Germany should close its
            borders to Polish workers, while taking advantage of the lower costs offered by
            certain Polish services.

            • usenetposts Re: Barbarians 03.02.06, 19:20
              russh napisał:

              > > Hi Russ.
              > >
              > > The German government has paid some compensation to the survivors of the
              > Nazi
              > > regime. The compensation has not been adequate, but the international com
              > munity
              > >
              > > is well aware that the Treaty of Versailles, in which Germany was charged
              > with
              > > punitive damages for its work in the first world war, caused a lot of the
              > > resentment which led to the second world war.
              > >
              > > You cannot ever extract a just punishment, as to do so would mean crushin
              > g them
              > >
              > > to the degree that we would have a very sick and unstable player in the m
              > iddle
              > > of Europe, instead of the relatively healthy and constructive one we now
              > have.
              >
              > Hi Dave,
              >
              > I again understand the contra argument. My point is tw fold; firstly that even
              > though there will never be adequate justice, there should have been more
              > (although not to the point of creating a long term political problem);
              secondly
              > that it is absolutely against all sense of justice that Germany should close
              it
              > s
              > borders to Polish workers, while taking advantage of the lower costs offered
              by
              > certain Polish services.

              Yes, but speaking as a subject of a nation that is a competitor to Germany, I'm
              glad they did what they did. If they had wanted to give us the cream of the
              crop and leave themselves with only the UK's rejects when they finally had to
              open the gates, they could not have done better.
              • russh Re: Barbarians 03.02.06, 22:29
                Pragmatism at its best!
      • bartis_ervin Re: Barbarians 03.02.06, 20:05
        "a lot of the young Germans have this "Herrenvolk" attitude and that our western
        territories are still "unser Osten" (our east)."

        Well, some Polish also view Lvov and Vilno as Polish territories.

        I think that crying over history is not very productive. In a way I understand
        because I am Hungarian from Transylvania (part of Romania) and my grandparents
        from one day to another ended up in Romania, because Hungary had to be
        dismembrated. Part of Hungary went to Ukraine, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia,
        Serbia. But that's all done. Crying over it simply won't help. There are enough
        challenges ahead, we should rather focus on those.

        Ervin

        Thebartiski.blogspot.com
      • waldek1610 Re: Barbarians 04.02.06, 06:36
        zaara1 napisała:

        > Waldek1610 is correct! I am not for blaming the young generations of Germans
        > for all of our modern day problems, but the fact of the matter is that
        because
        > of what their fathers and grandfathers did, our Country has many of the
        > problems that it would otherwise not have.


        There you go Zaara,good point! Westerners tend to ignore eastern and Slavic
        sensibilities, and often try to impose its view on Poles, not only that the
        German guy who just yesterday complained about "inadequate playground
        facilities and health care for childred in Poland"....dares to tell me that
        history doesn't matter.

        But if WWII never happened do you think we would have bulk of the problems and
        underdeveleopment if Germany didn't distroyed most of Polands infrastructure?


        > Furthermore, during a visit to
        > Germany I got the impression that a lot of the young Germans have
        > this "Herrenvolk" attitude and that our western territories are still "unser
        > Osten" (our east). So I don't have any sympathy towards the "poor" Germans.
        > Hands off our country and its problems since you are the collective cause of
        > many of them.

        Exactly, what I like to point out is that even if Polish car theieves stole all
        the automobiles from Germans it doesn't even equals to the fraction of what
        Germans stole from Poland in the last two centuries..

        How naive Germans were thinking they can eradicate entire Polish nation and
        have not suffered the consequences. But the history likes to bring ironic
        consequences to the once Expansive and Warring nations, today USA is paying
        price to the 15th generation of black americans who descended from slaves, as
        blacks are major strain of the American wealfire system. So todays Germany is
        not paying anything for its past faults, to the neigbours it once plundered and
        abused.
    • lol76 Re: Barbarians 03.02.06, 21:37
      Sorry lad but your English is soooooooooo ridiculously fucked up... just shut
      up and stop showin off... Use your native tongue, u fuck!

      (...)...I still want to cry...(...) lol... what a fuckin loser!!! Where did you
      hear this phrase?
      • logophilos Re: Barbarians 04.02.06, 02:16
        Use your native tongue, u fuck!
        (...)...I still want to cry...(...) lol... what a fuckin loser!!! Where did you
        >
        > hear this phrase?

        Language, man! And calm down. Don't fuck here. Find a better place to do it,
        PLEASE (did you know that word? I wonder)
      • waldek1610 Lad? This is not England..use American English 04.02.06, 06:23
        I have should not even answer your post due to its arrogance and foul language,
        but let me just tell you that I don't know what else caused your rage against
        me, maybe I adressed sensitive subject, and you as a proud westerner, perheaps
        German can stand it, due to your false sence or rasial superiority.

        PS. What is "lad" anyways? When addressing international audience, can you
        please use the standard American English, because that's what most of the World
        communicates with.
        • usenetposts Re: Lad? This is not England..use American Englis 04.02.06, 22:45
          waldek1610 napisał:

          > I have should not even answer your post due to its arrogance and foul
          language,
          >
          > but let me just tell you that I don't know what else caused your rage against
          > me, maybe I adressed sensitive subject, and you as a proud westerner,
          perheaps
          > German can stand it, due to your false sence or rasial superiority.
          >
          > PS. What is "lad" anyways? When addressing international audience, can you
          > please use the standard American English, because that's what most of the
          World
          >
          > communicates with.

          Tsieh tsieh, wo di guo-yu bu hen hao.
          • usaf Re: Lad? This is not England..use American Englis 05.02.06, 00:00
            that sounds chinese to me !
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