Poland in 2025

03.02.06, 18:37
How do foreigners think how Poland will look like in 20 years?
    • usenetposts Re: Poland in 2025 03.02.06, 18:54
      Good question!

      I think Poland has every chance of being the best place to live in Europe by
      that year, which is why I was ready to make the decision for my kids to grow up
      here.
      • waldek1610 Re: Poland in 2025 04.02.06, 07:12
        usenetposts napisał:

        > Good question!
        >
        > I think Poland has every chance of being the best place to live in Europe by
        > that year, which is why I was ready to make the decision for my kids to grow
        up
        >
        > here.
        >

        Good for your kids, so you're raising Polish kids, I guess you'll have a hard
        time when they grow up, and not going to treat Poland as a foreign country but
        its own.
        • hardenfelt Re: Poland in 2025 04.02.06, 07:20
          Za 20 lat my wszyscy będziemy Europejczykami – oczywiście oprócz tych którzy
          będą Amerykanami.
          • waldek1610 Re: Poland in 2025 04.02.06, 07:31
            I'm more Polish then American, and as far as "being European" ..Poland was part
            of Europe since begining and Western Europe doesn't nessesery
            define "Europeiness"..for me Romanian, Portugesse and Belorussians are as
            European as French.
        • usenetposts Re: Poland in 2025 04.02.06, 22:23
          waldek1610 napisał:

          > usenetposts napisał:
          >
          > > Good question!
          > >
          > > I think Poland has every chance of being the best place to live in Europe
          > by
          > > that year, which is why I was ready to make the decision for my kids to g
          > row
          > up
          > >
          > > here.
          > >
          >
          > Good for your kids, so you're raising Polish kids, I guess you'll have a hard
          > time when they grow up, and not going to treat Poland as a foreign country
          but
          > its own.
          >

          It is both. It is both a foreign country, and it is our own.

          It's all down to language anyway. Since she speaks good Polish and good English
          and passable Russian, already by the age of 5, I should imagine she wil be
          feeling, like me, more a European that the representative of a single nation.
          • waldek1610 Re: Poland in 2025 05.02.06, 06:16
            usenetposts napisał:

            > waldek1610 napisał:
            >
            > > usenetposts napisał:
            > >
            > > > Good question!
            > > >
            > > > I think Poland has every chance of being the best place to live in
            > Europe
            > > by
            > > > that year, which is why I was ready to make the decision for my kid
            > s to g
            > > row
            > > up
            > > >
            > > > here.
            > > >
            > >
            > > Good for your kids, so you're raising Polish kids, I guess you'll have a
            > hard
            > > time when they grow up, and not going to treat Poland as a foreign countr
            > y
            > but
            > > its own.
            > >
            >
            > It is both. It is both a foreign country, and it is our own.
            >
            > It's all down to language anyway. Since she speaks good Polish and good
            English
            >
            > and passable Russian, already by the age of 5, I should imagine she wil be
            > feeling, like me, more a European that the representative of a single nation.

            ...your silly dreams about United Europe....Open your eyes Dave, if you raise
            your kids in Poland they are going to go to polish schools, have polish friends
            and will have little or none of your English identity in themselves..it is the
            fact, wherather you want it or not.
            • russh Re: Poland in 2025 05.02.06, 09:02
              >...your silly dreams about United Europe....Open your eyes Dave, if you raise
              >your kids in Poland they are going to go to polish schools, have polish friends
              >and will have little or none of your English identity in themselves..it is the
              >fact, wherather you want it or not.

              To a great extent true, although they will also learn by being with Dave.
              • usenetposts Re: Poland in 2025 05.02.06, 20:20
                russh napisał:

                > >...your silly dreams about United Europe....Open your eyes Dave, if you ra
                > ise
                > >your kids in Poland they are going to go to polish schools, have polish fr
                > iends
                > >and will have little or none of your English identity in themselves..it is
                > the
                > >fact, wherather you want it or not.
                >
                > To a great extent true, although they will also learn by being with Dave.

                To be frank, if it isn't easier to be English in Poland in 2025 than it will be
                in Britain, then I'll be relieved, as it will mean that the course of things
                over there has improved slightly.

                And it is an historical truism that being English has little to do with
                actually living in England.

                There is always the "corner of the foreign field, that is forever England"...
                • waldek1610 Re: Poland in 2025 06.02.06, 08:04
                  usenetposts napisał:

                  > To be frank, if it isn't easier to be English in Poland in 2025 than it will
                  > be in Britain, then I'll be relieved, as it will mean that the course of
                  > things over there has improved slightly.

                  > And it is an historical truism that being English has little to do with
                  > actually living in England.
                  >
                  > There is always the "corner of the foreign field, that is forever England"...

                  Are you saying that traditionaly Britain has a lot in common with Poland? I
                  tend to agree, I'm astounded though ...to see more Arab and Hindu ancorman and
                  women journalist on BBC World News...than Red or Blond haired Brits.....
                  • usenetposts Re: Poland in 2025 06.02.06, 11:15
                    waldek1610 napisał:

                    > usenetposts napisał:
                    >
                    > > To be frank, if it isn't easier to be English in Poland in 2025 than it w
                    > ill
                    > > be in Britain, then I'll be relieved, as it will mean that the course of
                    > > things over there has improved slightly.
                    >
                    > > And it is an historical truism that being English has little to do with
                    > > actually living in England.
                    > >
                    > > There is always the "corner of the foreign field, that is forever England
                    > "...
                    >
                    > Are you saying that traditionaly Britain has a lot in common with Poland? I
                    > tend to agree, I'm astounded though ...to see more Arab and Hindu ancorman
                    and
                    > women journalist on BBC World News...than Red or Blond haired Brits.....

                    I don't care what colour their hair is, or their skin for that matter. I just
                    would like to know that they have the same things going on in their head as we
                    do.

                    If I see someone like the lovely Zeinab Badawi reading the news, it doesn't
                    annoy me, because I understand that what is going on here is that the BBC is
                    trying to give a positive role model to the Islamic people in our society.

                    I don't think Zeinab Badawi, with her impeccable style and cut glass beautiful
                    diction, is about to suicide bomb any tall buildings in London. She shows you
                    can be called an Arabic Name, look Arabic, and still be entirely comfortable
                    with an English style.

                    The upside is that I'm sure she does provide a good role model and of course we
                    need on TV to have positive Asian role models, for Hindis and Sikhs and Chinese
                    a bit of encouragement, but basically both those peoples are civilised already -
                    the Sikhs and the Chinese may be the fiercest fighting people on the face of
                    the planet but their religion is no threat to the European way of life in the
                    way that Islam is - , and for the Islamists a lot of work has to be done to
                    give them positive role models. Since the Caribbeans have become disaffected
                    and there is a high degree of organised crime called "yardie-ism" among them,
                    they also need a lot of positive role models in the media, but there is in fact
                    no shortage of them, as the American film industry makes sure of a continual
                    stream of them, as do the endeavours of sport and funky music.

                    The biggest problem we have is not the people who look different to us. I would
                    have thought that yardie-ism would be a passing phase, something which careful
                    use of resources can iron out. I would have thought that the biggest problem
                    that Christian blacks - and also secular or even animist Africans would have
                    had in adapting to European society is the fact that they look different. They
                    look more different to us on the outside than many of the proponents of Islam
                    do. Mixed marriages with Arabs usually produce slightly swarthy but European
                    looking offspring - you often cannot tell that one of the parents is of a
                    different race in the way you can with Blacks and Chinese people usually.

                    But whether people look like us on the outside has nothing whatever to do with
                    what's going on on the inside.

                    Take two nations - the Christian Armenians on the one hand and the Islamic
                    Turks on the other - while the Turks were committing genocide on the Arminians,
                    do you think personal appearance was a factor? They look as similar to each
                    other as the Czechs do to the Hungarians, but one nation seemed able to
                    massacre the other, deny it to this day, and try to indict Orhan Pamuk and
                    other writers for coughing to their history.

                    The hair colour is just a pack of dye, Waldek. The skin colour a subscription
                    to the nearest sunbed. It's whether you believe in a creed of force and
                    violence or not that makes the real difference.

                    And so the downside of the "positive role model" policy is that it lulls people
                    into thinking that British Islamists are all so many hundreds and thousands of
                    Zeinab Badawis and Lisa Azizes, and who's gonna complain at that? (Other than
                    the makers of Viagra of course, as we would all be walking around with
                    permanent fixtures if there were hundreds and thousands of Lisa Aziz)whereas
                    the reality is that we have a huge, aggressive and hostile Muslim population
                    which is getting bolshier as the weeks go by, and of which 30% refuse to
                    condemn the bomb attacks on their fellow British citizens in London, and which
                    is placing itself as best it can for the civil war which must one day
                    inevitably occur in our country.

                    And we will be totally unready for it. In that day, the best place for an
                    Englishman to be in Europe with his family is Poland - assuming they haven't
                    caved in by then and allowed themselves to be the country with the lowest
                    proportion of Muslim population no longer.
                    • feerie Re: Poland in 2025 08.02.06, 01:02
                      Hi Dave!

                      Nice to read your answers smile They're so true and so similar to mines...
                      However, I see that you'd left GB to run away from Muslims (the aggressives
                      ones of course)... It's a little bit sad, don't you think?

                      Me, actually, I'm Polish living in France for 4 years. Coming here, I started
                      by "all are equal and kind" statements, but I saw (and unhopefully experienced)
                      that there're some that are "more equal" who can annoy non-Muslim women without
                      any punishment and that it's not admitted (because not politically correct) to
                      talk about it...
                      It made me think about leaving from here to move to less-islamised country.
                      But, every day, I'm asking me WHY? I like France very much and I'd really like
                      to stay here if only I was able to live my life without any religious or
                      security obstacles...

                      Why do people have to leave some countries just because of Muslims? There're
                      some jokes that in few years France will became The Islamic Republic of France,
                      but what about Poland? I'm not Christian (nor Muslim) but I hope that our
                      exagerated catholicism will save Poland from islamists and that in 2025 it will
                      be one of the coolest countries to live in, even if the non-catholics won't
                      still be really welcomed...
                      • usenetposts Re: Poland in 2025 08.02.06, 23:33
                        feerie napisała:

                        > Hi Dave!
                        >
                        > Nice to read your answers smile They're so true and so similar to mines...
                        > However, I see that you'd left GB to run away from Muslims (the aggressives
                        > ones of course)... It's a little bit sad, don't you think?
                        >
                        > Me, actually, I'm Polish living in France for 4 years. Coming here, I started
                        > by "all are equal and kind" statements, but I saw (and unhopefully
                        experienced)
                        >
                        > that there're some that are "more equal" who can annoy non-Muslim women
                        without
                        >
                        > any punishment and that it's not admitted (because not politically correct)
                        to
                        > talk about it...
                        > It made me think about leaving from here to move to less-islamised country.
                        > But, every day, I'm asking me WHY? I like France very much and I'd really
                        like
                        > to stay here if only I was able to live my life without any religious or
                        > security obstacles...
                        >
                        > Why do people have to leave some countries just because of Muslims? There're
                        > some jokes that in few years France will became The Islamic Republic of
                        France,
                        >
                        > but what about Poland? I'm not Christian (nor Muslim) but I hope that our
                        > exagerated catholicism will save Poland from islamists and that in 2025 it
                        will
                        >
                        > be one of the coolest countries to live in, even if the non-catholics won't
                        > still be really welcomed...

                        I have to say that I never felt unwelcome for being a Protestant in Poland.
                        Let's not forget there was even a Protestant prime minister, Jerzy Buzek, not
                        that long back.

                        The only time a member of our Church was arrested was for evangelising
                        Protestantism during the Pope's visit, but they let him go without any charges
                        afterwards. They obviously didn't think that Karol Wojtyła could bear to see
                        the Christian message being handed out on the streets by anyone other than
                        Catholic priests.
                        • feerie Re: Poland in 2025 09.02.06, 00:52
                          Well, as for no-catholics, I was talking about everyday's life when we can
                          really see poeple's reactions... Try to make an official funeral when you're a
                          free thinker (and all your family too). Look what happens when you forget that
                          you shouldn't say you had a chicken for dinner last friday (especially at
                          school). Actually, it's really hard to explain to a child that he/she isn't
                          worse or different just because he/she is the only one not to go to religion
                          lessons at primary school and that the schoolmates should not be hostile about
                          it (even if they actually ARE).

                          These very few examples show why I have always thought that no-catholics were
                          unwelcomed in Poland.
                          I know that J. Buzek is protestant as well as Maria Sklodowska-Curie was free
                          thinker, but note that in practice it's so much harder for no-catholics to live
                          in Poland than elsewere in EU.
                          Anyway, I prefer that in 2025 Poland will still be as catholic as now than it
                          dominated by some other extremists...
                          Ideally, I would see Poland more tolerant in 2025 wink.
                          • usenetposts Re: Poland in 2025 10.02.06, 17:42
                            feerie napisała:

                            > Well, as for no-catholics, I was talking about everyday's life when we can
                            > really see poeple's reactions... Try to make an official funeral when you're
                            a
                            > free thinker (and all your family too). Look what happens when you forget
                            that
                            > you shouldn't say you had a chicken for dinner last friday (especially at
                            > school). Actually, it's really hard to explain to a child that he/she isn't
                            > worse or different just because he/she is the only one not to go to religion
                            > lessons at primary school and that the schoolmates should not be hostile
                            about
                            > it (even if they actually ARE).
                            >
                            > These very few examples show why I have always thought that no-catholics were
                            > unwelcomed in Poland.
                            > I know that J. Buzek is protestant as well as Maria Sklodowska-Curie was free
                            > thinker, but note that in practice it's so much harder for no-catholics to
                            live
                            >
                            > in Poland than elsewere in EU.
                            > Anyway, I prefer that in 2025 Poland will still be as catholic as now than it
                            > dominated by some other extremists...
                            > Ideally, I would see Poland more tolerant in 2025 wink.

                            OK. I note that you set Catholicism and Protestantism in apposition to
                            freethinking, though, and I would like to point out that many catholics and
                            protestants are very free in their thinking and I have known atheists who have
                            been more shackled than many religious fundamentalists are in their thinking.

                            In fact, I have tackled one or two of them in the forums at
                            www.infidelguy.com, which is the main forum of Reggie Finlay and his
                            freethought media group.
                            • feerie Re: Poland in 2025 10.02.06, 18:26
                              Hi Dave

                              Thanks for the adress smile Yes, no-catholics in Poland means for me "everyone but
                              catholics", no-christians included, as they're rather few.
                • skattski English in Poland in 2025 08.02.06, 02:37
                  you ok, mate!
                  i don`t know why you want to live in Poland, but you are perfectly wright about
                  being English wherever you are. I live in England, in London and have numbers
                  of friends from every corner of this planet, and although we are foreign we
                  feel proud about being living in UK. let me tell you one thing, as far as i`m
                  concerned, in 2025 your kids will be thanking you for raising them in this
                  beautiful country, like Poland is, but they go back where they belong and it`s
                  likely your motherland mate. one more thing, i`ll be raising my kids in Poland
                  too. London is good for me, but it`s not good for my kids, that`s for sure.
                  take care.
                  • usenetposts Re: English in Poland in 2025 08.02.06, 23:28
                    skattski napisał:

                    > you ok, mate!
                    > i don`t know why you want to live in Poland, but you are perfectly wright
                    about
                    >
                    > being English wherever you are. I live in England, in London and have numbers
                    > of friends from every corner of this planet, and although we are foreign we
                    > feel proud about being living in UK. let me tell you one thing, as far as i`m
                    > concerned, in 2025 your kids will be thanking you for raising them in this
                    > beautiful country, like Poland is, but they go back where they belong and it`s
                    >
                    > likely your motherland mate. one more thing, i`ll be raising my kids in
                    Poland
                    > too. London is good for me, but it`s not good for my kids, that`s for sure.
                    > take care.

                    Yeah, thanks mate. London's no place to bring up kids, in my opinion.

                    I did not leave specifically to avoid the Muslims, but I discovered that it was
                    a very handy side effect.

                    It is only a question of time before they become the majority in many countries
                    in Europe, and then we shall see them drop all this pretence to be peaceful and
                    non-aggressive.

                    I hope you enjoy your time in the UK, but never forget that there's a country
                    here which is grossly underrated by its own people.
      • terra-nova POLAND IN 2025 02.03.06, 06:51
        Wiekszosc ludzi w Polsce dojdzie do paranoji, ktora charakteryzuja sie tutejsi
        pisujacy. Bedzie im sie wydawalo, ze sa cudzoziemcami, beda uzywac obcego
        jezyka zamiast ojczystego i za wszelka cene beda chcieli mieszkac poza Polska.
        W zwiazku z tym szanowna Unia dojdzie do wniosku, ze Polska jako kraj nikomu
        nie jest potrzebna i podzieli ja miedzy Rosje i Niemcy, jak to juz dawno
        bywalo. Zalosny kraj i jeszcze bardziej zalosna ta jego mlodziez.... wszyscy
        cudzoziemcy....
        • usenetposts Re: POLAND IN 2025 02.03.06, 13:00
          terra-nova napisała:

          > Wiekszosc ludzi w Polsce dojdzie do paranoji, ktora charakteryzuja sie
          tutejsi
          > pisujacy. Bedzie im sie wydawalo, ze sa cudzoziemcami, beda uzywac obcego
          > jezyka zamiast ojczystego i za wszelka cene beda chcieli mieszkac poza
          Polska.
          > W zwiazku z tym szanowna Unia dojdzie do wniosku, ze Polska jako kraj nikomu
          > nie jest potrzebna i podzieli ja miedzy Rosje i Niemcy, jak to juz dawno
          > bywalo. Zalosny kraj i jeszcze bardziej zalosna ta jego mlodziez.... wszyscy
          > cudzoziemcy....

          It's because we're all Europeans. America doesn't like the fact that all
          Europeans are staring to unite around one language, since it means that they
          will not be head and shoulders above the rest of us, if Europe starts to
          function as if it were one country.

          What do you think about the future anyway? Do you think the Polish language or
          any language other than a handful of final languages can survive more than
          another 100 years? 1 000 years? 10 000 years? Do you imagine that anyone other
          than university scholars will be able to read Polish in 1000 years' time? The
          English of that time will also in all likelihood be unrecognisable from today's
          language, if indeed English wins out.

          If the Lord hasn't already returned by then and we are all speaking Hebrew.
          • terra-nova Re: POLAND IN 2025 02.03.06, 13:16
            A te zlote mysli, ktore nam tu zaserwowales to typowy przyklad tej paranoji,
            tym razem zbiorowej, bo jeden napisal bzdury a reszta to po nim powtarza.
            Europejczykami to wy jestescie w takim stopniu jak ja Chinczykiem. Zajezdzacie
            na tysice kilometrow ruska mentalnoscia, ktora nazywacie demkracja. Nie bez
            powodu nazywaja Polske - Europa Wschodnia.
            • usenetposts Re: POLAND IN 2025 02.03.06, 16:24
              This is simply American propaganda. We are Europeans, and Poles are central
              Europeans, a bridge between East and West, North and South.

              If you don't believe me, drive on the roads here a bit.
        • ianek70 Re: POLAND IN 2025 02.03.06, 13:46
          terra-nova napisała:

          > i za wszelka cene beda chcieli mieszkac poza Polska.

          Czyli wielkich zmian nie będzie?

          > W zwiazku z tym szanowna Unia dojdzie do wniosku, ze Polska jako kraj nikomu
          > nie jest potrzebna i podzieli ja miedzy Rosje i Niemcy, jak to juz dawno
          > bywalo.

          Jeżeli wierzyć paranoikom, to było już przynajmniej siedem "czwartych
          rozbiorów" Polski w ciągu ostatnich 15 lat.

          Zalosny kraj i jeszcze bardziej zalosna ta jego mlodziez.... wszyscy
          > cudzoziemcy....

          A za 20 lat, jak to ma wyglądać?
          Czy Polska ma być jedynym i ostatnim już w Europie państwem klerykalnym,
          pariasem i pośmiewiskiem? Biedną lecz dumną oazą szarości w morzu szczęśliwych,
          wolnych, świeckich, bogatych i równie dumnych państw XXI wieku?
          Mam nadzieję, że nie, ale niestety niektórzy już zdecydowali się, że tak będzie.
          Ale to ich problem, bo keine Grenzen już nie ma, ludzie mogą swój kraj albo
          ulepszyć, albo opuścić. Im mniej demokratyczna będzie Polska, tym łatwiej im
          będzie wybrać wyjazd.
          A gdy wszyscy już wyjechali, to kto obali rząd, który rządzi garstką zakonnic i
          skinów? Nato nie, bo ropy tu nie ma.
    • waldek1610 Re: Poland in 2025 04.02.06, 07:27
      I'm not a foreigner, but I'm US citizen and been living abroads for quite a
      while.

      By 2025 Poland should;
      -politically have power similar to today's United Kindom's .
      -economically it should have reach potential of Itally, and be in EU top 5.
      -culturally is going to enjoy status similar to Germany's today.
      -and polish per capita should be around what of Scandinavian country.
      • hardenfelt Re: Poland in 2025 04.02.06, 11:34
        If by 2025 we are not Europeans then Poland could

        Be ruled by Prawo Kanoniczne I Sprawiedliwość Boska which would get 99,9% of
        the votes in a free and independent survey conducted by Radio Maria.

        Have political power similar to today’s Greenland.

        Economically it could reach the potential of today’s Poland.

        Culturally it could reach the potential of today’s Iran.

        The per capita income could be around the same as today’s Belarus.
        • waldek1610 Re: Poland in 2025 04.02.06, 11:52
          Come on, you know pretty well that all Kaczynskis want is to get rid of the
          post -PRL ( mostly liberal and left) croonies that still have big influence in
          Poland. As far as economy and European intergration, right; catholic and
          nationalst parties don't differ much from that of Ireland or other EU countries.

          I know a lot of people who were the part of post-PRL left parties now going to
          lose everything...which is why they sound so desperate and try to do everything
          to stop that "Cleansing process" that Kaczynskis are about to implement...

          God help them end the liberal and leftist "warcholstwo" in Poland forever!
      • comrade Re: Poland in 2025 07.02.06, 09:46
        Your forecaset is exaggerated smile

        > By 2025 Poland should;
        > -politically have power similar to today's United Kindom's .

        Not a chance. We'll be lucky if we'd catch up with Spain. UK has 60M citizens,
        best economy in Europe, best military in Europe (including tactical nukes),
        tight ties with its former colonies, commonwealth countries and US, all of it
        making probably the most influential country in Europe. Not a chance, mate...
        even in 2025 smile

        > -economically it should have reach potential of Itally, and be in EU top 5.

        It'd be good if we reached 75-80% of Italian GDP per capita. In terms of global
        GDP we'll be no.6 after Germany, France, UK, Italy and Spain.

        > -culturally is going to enjoy status similar to Germany's today.

        It's hard to measure "cultural status" smile but hopefully it will improve, whateve
        that could mean smile

        > -and polish per capita should be around what of Scandinavian country.

        Not a chance... 70% is max, unless some economic boom happens a'la Ireland,
        resulting in 6-8% growth for 10 years which is unlikely. Realistically, I'd be
        happy if we reached per capita of Spain by 2025.
    • russh Re: Poland in 2025 05.02.06, 09:07
      Wow. What will the world be like in 2025?

      I think Poland has a good chance of being like most European countries, in terms
      of wealth.

      What most European countries will be like I'm unsure. There will be many changes
      over the next 20 years I feel (globally), and I really am unsure as to what
      direction things will go.

      • jednopokojowe Re: Poland in 2025 05.02.06, 18:03
        I know in what direction Italy will go thought...hope Poland won't follow it
        as waldek said eh eh
        • marimax Re: Poland in 2025 05.02.06, 18:27
          By 2025 Poland with Belarus and Ukraine will form some kind of federation and
          become the biggest and the most powerful union in Europe.
          Former EU (yes former EU) countries will line up to join us
          • russh Re: Poland in 2025 05.02.06, 20:53
            Good luck - you'll need it!
            • usenetposts Re: Poland in 2025 05.02.06, 20:58
              russh napisał:

              > Good luck - you'll need it!


              Thanks.
          • waldek1610 Polish Commonwealth 2? 06.02.06, 08:08
            marimax napisał:

            > By 2025 Poland with Belarus and Ukraine will form some kind of federation and
            > become the biggest and the most powerful union in Europe.
            > Former EU (yes former EU) countries will line up to join us


            Even I was being carefull with making statements like that, but you got the
            point Marimax! Poland and Ukraine have much more potential than most Western
            Europeans are willing to admit, they can succesfully compete with France and
            UK...just give it some time.
            • marimax Re: Polish Commonwealth 2? 06.02.06, 10:52
              I know, this vision terrifies France,Germany,England as well as Russia.
              They will do everything in they power to agitate these countries but younger
              generation does not remember the war and will not listen.
              We have to be careful, keep our eyes open, specially of Englishmen.
              They are masters of deceit
              • waldek1610 Re: Polish Commonwealth 2? 06.02.06, 11:14
                marimax napisał:

                > I know, this vision terrifies France,Germany,England as well as Russia.

                No kidding. Reborn Polish Commonwealth would be a nightmare especially for
                Russia, but I think it has a chance of happening because as you said new
                generations of Poles and Ukrainians will not have any "Homo Sovieticus" midnset
                and the future of only those countries will count for them.



                > They will do everything in they power to agitate these countries but younger
                > generation does not remember the war and will not listen.
                > We have to be careful, keep our eyes open, specially of Englishmen.
                > They are masters of deceit.

                Good observation Marimax! Tony Blair had a chance to prove that when he was
                trying to convince Poles at last EU budget talks ....that Poland doesn't need 6
                billion of Euros because UK can use it better by giving 100 milion Euros from
                it...so Poles can spend it to open English language schools in Poland. You have
                to have guts and arrogance to try something like that.
                • marimax Re: Polish Commonwealth 2? 08.02.06, 11:49
                  It's closer than you think.
                  It's starting to happen.
                  Central European Bank is trying to force Samoobrona to change it's report stage
                  for NBP. It is an apparent intervention in Polish internal affairs.
                  These bureaucrats from Brussels don't know yet who they are dealing with and
                  that Poles will not take orders from anybody.
                  I bet you any amount of money: by 2025 there will be no EU
                  • ianek70 Re: Polish Commonwealth 2? 10.02.06, 13:45
                    marimax napisał:

                    > These bureaucrats from Brussels don't know yet who they are dealing with and
                    > that Poles will not take orders from anybody.

                    Is this one of those famous "Polish jokes"?
                    • varsovian Re: Polish Commonwealth 2? 10.02.06, 18:17
                      Waldek is talking to himself - his other name is marimax.
                      • waldek1610 Re: Polish Commonwealth 2? 11.02.06, 08:01
                        varsovian napisał:

                        > Waldek is talking to himself - his other name is marimax.

                        You wish.... ha ha. Just like you wished that there was not brothers Kaczynskis
                        and the looming end of preferable status of liberals, socialist and feminists
                        in Poland.
                    • waldek1610 Re: Polish Commonwealth 2? 11.02.06, 08:02
                      ianek70 napisał:

                      > marimax napisał:
                      >
                      > > These bureaucrats from Brussels don't know yet who they are dealing with
                      > and
                      > > that Poles will not take orders from anybody.
                      >
                      > Is this one of those famous "Polish jokes"?

                      Rasist!
                      • varsovian Re: Polish Commonwealth 2? 02.03.06, 16:23
                        The brothers K. are socialists at heart - they want to:
                        nationalise, support loss-making nationalised industries, boost social security
                        handouts

                        they don't want:
                        to concentrate on boosting the economy, to lower tax, to lower wasteful big
                        government

                        they don't like:
                        the fact that firms with foreign capital have boosted Polish exports (thus
                        helping the Polish economy), the fact that the UK and Ireland have created more
                        jobs for Poles than the midgets twins have, themselves

                        they think:
                        that "right-wing" means being anti-Communist and small minded.
                        Pathetic.
    • jot-23 Re: Poland in 2025 02.03.06, 18:10
      lol...it's only 19 years away now...no matter how wonderfull economic growth
      will be, Poland does have catch-up with centuries of wealth-accumulation that
      many other european countries enjoyed without much of interruption. Look at
      ireland, booming for couple of decades now, GDP per capita higher than UK, but
      leave Dublin's centre and you may have to use an outhouse to relieve yourself.
      Anyways...i'm pretty optimistic and hopefull that Poland will find it's own way
      (as i'm not very fond of several things that plague western world -
      laicization, political correctnes to name a few...
    • ianek70 Re: Poland in 2025 22.03.06, 20:15
      There was quite a disturbing report on BBC World the other day about
      underground abortions in the Phillipines.
      You can buy illegal "miscarriage" pills at markets, and the woman at the stall
      gives you a phone number to call in case it doesn't work.
      Every year, there are over half a million backstreet abortions there (even more
      than in PL), in horrific conditions.
      They interviewed a grinning bishop, who was very proud of the influence his
      church has on "these matters". And it's going to get much, much worse, since
      the bishops are now campaigning for a total ban on contraception.
      • marimax Re: Poland in 2025 22.03.06, 20:45
        Do you know the subject of this post?
        It is Poland in 2025 and not abortion in the Phillipines
        Are you high on something or stupid ?
        • ianek70 Functional illiteracy in Poland 22.03.06, 21:12
          marimax napisał:

          > Do you know the subject of this post?
          > It is Poland in 2025 and not abortion in the Phillipines
          > Are you high on something or stupid ?

          Treść doskonale pasowała do tematu, choć może przekaz był zbyt subtelny dla
          niektórych o ograniczonym intelekcie.
          Ya glaikit wee bawbag.
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