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Looking 4 foreigners / Ausländer gesucht!

06.02.06, 00:49
I am looking for foreigners with Poland-experience. I'd like to know your
opinion about Poland and especially about Katowice.

Ausländer mit Polenerfahrung gesucht! Ich möchte eure Vorstellung von Polen,
besonders von Kattowitz kennen lernen.
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    • usenetposts Re: Looking 4 foreigners / Ausländer gesucht! 06.02.06, 01:43
      ql napisał:

      > I am looking for foreigners with Poland-experience. I'd like to know your
      > opinion about Poland and especially about Katowice.
      >
      > Ausländer mit Polenerfahrung gesucht! Ich möchte eure Vorstellung von Polen,
      > besonders von Kattowitz kennen lernen.

      OK, ich bin Englaender und wohne in Warschau, habe dennoch eine Niederlassung
      in Kattowitz www.horwath.pl/rkatowicede.htm zu betreuen und habe eine
      Menge Zeit deswegen in der Gegend verbracht.

      Also, schiess ruhig los, was willst Du wissen?
      • ql Re: Looking 4 foreigners / Ausländer gesucht! 06.02.06, 14:36
        Dass du genatwortet hast, freut mich sehr.smile
        Umso mehr freut mich, dass du ein deutschsprachiger Engländer bist. Vielleicht
        ist das ja ein Klischee, dass Engländer keine Fremdsprachen lernen?
        Übrigens, das könnte hier auch ein Thema sein wink

        Und jetzt schiess' ich los...
        Zuerst vier Fragen:

        1. Was gefällt dir hier [Polen/Kattowitz]?
        2. Was gefällt dir nicht?
        3. Gibt es in Polen Ausländerfeindlichkeit?
        4. Was fehlt dir hier? Ich meine Dinge, die Expats in einer neuen Umgebung
        besonders stark brauchen.

        bis dann...

        • usenetposts Re: Looking 4 foreigners / Ausländer gesucht! 06.02.06, 20:46
          > Dass du genatwortet hast, freut mich sehr.smile

          Bitte sehr.

          > Umso mehr freut mich, dass du ein deutschsprachiger Engländer bist.

          Es gibt mehrere...

          > Vielleicht
          > ist das ja ein Klischee, dass Engländer keine Fremdsprachen lernen?
          > Übrigens, das könnte hier auch ein Thema sein wink
          >

          Ist schon gewesen. Auf jeden Fall es ist axiomatisch dass Englaender fuehlen,
          dass sie Fremdsprache nicht lernen mussen. Wenn sie sie schon lernen, dann ist
          es aus lauter Liebe, und deswegen findet man unter den Englaendern entweder
          recht gute Linguisten, oder ueberhaupt keine Interesse, genau weil wir die
          ganze Sache als freiwillig betrachten.

          > Und jetzt schiess' ich los...
          > Zuerst vier Fragen:
          >
          > 1. Was gefällt dir hier [Polen/Kattowitz]?

          Die Leute in Kattowitz sind wirklich recht warm, das Essen recht gut.
          Architektur erinnert an Nordengland, mit den roten Bausteinen usw.

          > 2. Was gefällt dir nicht?

          Umweltverschmutzung, aber diese sache ist schon etwas verbessert in der
          Zwischenzeit.

          > 3. Gibt es in Polen Ausländerfeindlichkeit?

          Nicht so viel wuerde ich sagen wie in Deutschland. Natuerlich kann man Pech
          haben, oder Pech auf sich bringen (ich kannte einen deutschen Manager desen
          Manier einem Konzentrationslagerwaechter artgerechter waere, als einem
          Fabrikleiter, und natuerlich war er gehasst von seinen Mitmenschen, aber der
          hat das persoenlich auf sich gebracht.

          > 4. Was fehlt dir hier? Ich meine Dinge, die Expats in einer neuen Umgebung
          > besonders stark brauchen.


          Normalerweise sind dass Artikel von Lebensmittel weil alles andere im Netz ist.

          Erzaehl mir was ueber dich selbst, und deine Interesse, Kattowitz zu besuchen
          oder hierher einzusiedeln?
          • ql Re: 06.02.06, 21:56
            usenetposts napisał:

            > > Vielleicht
            > > ist das ja ein Klischee, dass Engländer keine Fremdsprachen lernen?

            ... es ist axiomatisch dass Englaender fuehlen,
            > dass sie Fremdsprache nicht lernen mussen. Wenn sie sie schon lernen, dann
            ist es aus lauter Liebe, und deswegen findet man unter den Englaendern entweder
            > recht gute Linguisten, ...

            Na ja, das mit den Linguisten stimmt. Ich habe aber einst mit einem Engländer
            gearbeitet, der dachte, dass er als Engländer keine Fremdsprachenkenntnisse
            braucht. Es muss natürlich nicht die Regel sein.

            > Erzaehl mir was ueber dich selbst, und deine Interesse, Kattowitz zu besuchen
            > oder hierher einzusiedeln?
            >

            Eigentlich habe ich kein Interesse Kattowitz zu besuchen. wink Ich lebe hier seit
            März letzten Jahres. Diese Stadt kann einem sehr gefallen. Was die
            Umweltverschmutzung angeht, ist es jetzt nicht so schlimm wie ein paar Jahre
            her.

            Besonders interessiert mich, was Expats von Polen halten.

            I hope that participants of other boards will also join this discussion. It is
            always very good to experience foreign and different point of view. smile
            • ianek70 Re: 09.02.06, 15:37
              ql napisał:

              > Eigentlich habe ich kein Interesse Kattowitz zu besuchen. wink Ich lebe hier
              seit
              >
              > März letzten Jahres. Diese Stadt kann einem sehr gefallen. Was die
              > Umweltverschmutzung angeht, ist es jetzt nicht so schlimm wie ein paar Jahre
              > her.

              Katowice's cool to live in smile
    • ql Idea / Idee 08.02.06, 23:18
      I'm thinking now about 10 questions we could ask a foreigner in Poland... Work
      in progress...

      Suggestions are very welcome.

      I hope the answers to these questions could impress one and make Poland
      foreigner-friendly.
      smile
        • ql tv programme 27.02.06, 13:22
          To be sincere, I am also looking for foreigners, who would like to cast a tv
          programme.
          It is not EDSLsmile.
          Foreigners living in Katowice are prefered.
          • usenetposts Re: tv programme 28.02.06, 10:40
            ql napisał:

            > To be sincere, I am also looking for foreigners, who would like to cast a tv
            > programme.
            > It is not EDSLsmile.
            > Foreigners living in Katowice are prefered.

            You'll have to see what you can do about charming ianek70 on board. Maybe he
            could be persuaded to appear in full dress tartan and a sporran.
            • ianek70 Re: tv programme 28.02.06, 11:36
              usenetposts napisał:

              > You'll have to see what you can do about charming ianek70 on board. Maybe he
              > could be persuaded to appear in full dress tartan and a sporran.

              Will it involve any nudity or cooking?
                  • ql Re: tv programme 28.02.06, 13:14
                    Are you hungry or thirsty? wink
                    Or you're good cook?
                    I am not interested in cooking, eating or drinking itself, but in the cultural
                    aspects of it. smile
                    • ianek70 Re: tv programme 28.02.06, 13:36
                      ql napisał:

                      > Are you hungry or thirsty? wink
                      > Or you're good cook?
                      > I am not interested in cooking, eating or drinking itself, but in the
                      cultural
                      > aspects of it. smile

                      I'm good at cooking and drinking.
                      I've seen a thousand tv programmes and read a million articles in the Polish
                      press with all these boring stereotypes about what people in different
                      countries have for breakfast. The first five were funny.
                      Will there be famous people?
                      • usenetposts Re: tv programme 28.02.06, 14:14
                        ianek70 napisał:

                        > ql napisał:
                        >
                        > > Are you hungry or thirsty? wink
                        > > Or you're good cook?
                        > > I am not interested in cooking, eating or drinking itself, but in the
                        > cultural
                        > > aspects of it. smile
                        >
                        > I'm good at cooking and drinking.
                        > I've seen a thousand tv programmes and read a million articles in the Polish
                        > press with all these boring stereotypes about what people in different
                        > countries have for breakfast. The first five were funny.
                        > Will there be famous people?

                        ql - take note. I think he gives you fair warning here. You're gonna have to
                        have an angle to make this any better than the typical bilge you get on TV.

                        Let me give you an angle for a tv show that will get the viewers sitting up:

                        "Outpoling the Poles" - each week, a family of foreigners living in Poland has
                        to try to "outpole" a family of Poles who have lived abroad for a comparable
                        length of time. Ideally the family in Poland should come from the same country
                        the Polish family lives, and be made up of a couple of kids as well as the
                        husband and wife. The rounds could be as follows:

                        1. General knowledge quiz involving two rounds, all in Polish, but concerning
                        first trivia knowledge about Poland and second knowledge about the home country.

                        2. Relating a piece recorded earlier with the kids chatting in Polish, where
                        the studio audience, without any other clues as to which were the Poles and
                        which were the foreigners' kids, had to guess which were which.

                        3. Getting the foreigners in Poland to do something Polish, like eat flaki and
                        getting the Poles in the other country to do something funny from that country,
                        like eat frogs legs or snails or haggises or whatever.

                        4. Getting someone from either family to perform a song or poem in the other
                        one's language.

                        Then you get the audiotele/SMS votes going (you make more money that way, let
                        me tell you from my time as FD in a TV station) so that Polish viewers can vote
                        for which family they thought was more Polish already - did the family of
                        foreigners "outpole" the Polish family living abroad? and secondly which family
                        were the most entertaining.

                        There are then prizes worth up to 2000EUR for either category.

                        If you use it, credit "Uncle Davey Media". TY from the mountain.
                        • ianek70 Re: tv programme 28.02.06, 14:54
                          usenetposts napisał:


                          > 3. Getting the foreigners in Poland to do something Polish, like eat flaki
                          and
                          > getting the Poles in the other country to do something funny from that
                          country,
                          >
                          > like eat frogs legs or snails or haggises or whatever.

                          Again, this is falling into the realm of cheap stereotypes.
                          Apart from that, genuinely Polish things aren't too difficult - anyone can
                          say "święta, święta i po świętach" or talk bollocks about Chopin's Polish soul
                          even if they don't know his music (like 90% of Poles). And, although there are
                          limits to the amount of cabbage non-Poles can eat, anyone can sit and watch ski-
                          jumping once a year and pretend to be interested. One thing, though, that only
                          Poles can manage, is the simultaneous sarcasm and melodrama of "Oh! Our Polish
                          buses!" whenever a bus is 10 seconds late. Or "Oh! Our Polish roads!" whenever
                          there's a hole in the road. Or "Oh! Our Polish politicians!" instead
                          of "Fuck!", like normal people say.
                          But if it comes to real Scottish things, like drinking, fighting, taking drugs,
                          eating unhealthy food and swearing, then unfortunately Poles have got no chance.
                          • usenetposts Re: tv programme 28.02.06, 18:57
                            ianek70 napisał:

                            > usenetposts napisał:
                            >
                            >
                            > > 3. Getting the foreigners in Poland to do something Polish, like eat flak
                            > i
                            > and
                            > > getting the Poles in the other country to do something funny from that
                            > country,
                            > >
                            > > like eat frogs legs or snails or haggises or whatever.
                            >
                            > Again, this is falling into the realm of cheap stereotypes.

                            Yes, but no, but yes, but no, but yes, .... but there's room to laugh at the
                            stereotypes and bust the stereotype.

                            > Apart from that, genuinely Polish things aren't too difficult - anyone can
                            > say "święta, święta i po świętach" or talk bollocks about Chopin's Polish
                            soul

                            Ah, yes. But in my show, the two families would be asked to go into the church
                            where his heart is kept and asked to find the plaque in front of the place his
                            heart is and put their hand on it, from memory, blindfolded.

                            > even if they don't know his music (like 90% of Poles).

                            They would have to hum or sing an entire Chopin piece, or play it on an
                            instrument, or the stary zegar thing from Moniuszko.

                            And, although there are
                            > limits to the amount of cabbage non-Poles can eat, anyone can sit and watch
                            ski
                            > -
                            > jumping once a year and pretend to be interested. One thing, though, that
                            only
                            > Poles can manage, is the simultaneous sarcasm and melodrama of "Oh! Our
                            Polish
                            > buses!" whenever a bus is 10 seconds late. Or "Oh! Our Polish roads!"
                            whenever
                            > there's a hole in the road. Or "Oh! Our Polish politicians!" instead
                            > of "Fuck!", like normal people say.
                            > But if it comes to real Scottish things, like drinking, fighting, taking
                            drugs,

                            Nobody does that on our TV family shows either!

                            >
                            > eating unhealthy food and swearing, then unfortunately Poles have got no
                            chance
                            > .

                            For Scotland, you know damn well what the Polish family would have to eat, and
                            it is produced in Slough and nicely battered, with or without a chib or stakey.
                            • ianek70 Re: tv programme 01.03.06, 12:58
                              usenetposts napisał:


                              > For Scotland, you know damn well what the Polish family would have to eat,
                              and
                              > it is produced in Slough and nicely battered, with or without a chib or
                              stakey.

                              A haggis supper would be better, and to make it more fun they could tell them
                              what's in it before they eat it, rather than after as we usually do smile
                              • usenetposts Re: tv programme 01.03.06, 13:20
                                ianek70 napisał:

                                > usenetposts napisał:
                                >
                                >
                                > > For Scotland, you know damn well what the Polish family would have to eat
                                > ,
                                > and
                                > > it is produced in Slough and nicely battered, with or without a chib or
                                > stakey.
                                >
                                > A haggis supper would be better, and to make it more fun they could tell them
                                > what's in it before they eat it, rather than after as we usually do smile

                                Haggis is very tasty, though. I always enjoy the food if I go to Scotland. In
                                fact, I think I might try and take the family to Scotland this year, assuming
                                my chief gives me the kind of car I asked him for.

                                I took my wife there once before, in 2001, as she is mad about that place and
                                she even dragged me up the William Wallace memorial and to Rob Roy's grave, as
                                well as to see Ben Nevis and the places they filmed some of the battles in
                                Braveheart. I kept telling her we were English, not Scottish, but it didn't do
                                any good.

                                For the Spanish edition, I don't know which would be more amusing, to give
                                people cojones de la corrida or the dish of seafood I had to eat in Madrid a
                                couple of weeks back. It was winklepicking good, but I nearly needed a course
                                in engineering to open the various crustaceans up.
                        • ql Re: tv programme 28.02.06, 15:38
                          Dave,
                          tell me then, what are exactly the bad points of EDSL or similar shows? I feel
                          you don't like the EDSL? Why is it that?
                          I know that the show is only to have fun and it doesn't treat its matter
                          exactly.
                          • usenetposts Re: tv programme 28.02.06, 18:48
                            ql quoth:

                            > Dave,
                            > tell me then, what are exactly the bad points of EDSL or similar shows? I
                            feel
                            > you don't like the EDSL? Why is it that?
                            > I know that the show is only to have fun and it doesn't treat its matter
                            > exactly.

                            When I worked in TV, one of the first things my then boss
                            said to me is "You don't make TV for yourself". Well, what he actually said
                            was "You don't make TV for yourself, for your information". But since he used
                            the last three words in that sentence to underline most if not all occasions of
                            his imparting of wisdom, etc., we can safely economise on them.

                            The show is about stereotypes, which intelligent people find irritating.
                            Especially as the show is stage-managed to enforce inaccurate stereotypes.

                            However, TV is not in the main produced for intelligent people, so don't worry
                            about it, just be concerned about getting an original angle that will increase
                            ratings. Only viewing stats will raise advertising revenue, nothing else. And
                            viewing stats are, as we know from the mathematics of media, technical reach
                            times ratings.

                            The best way to increase ratings is to aim at something less than the average
                            intelligence, as the bell shaped curve is obviously focussed on the average,
                            but people have a tendency to relax by watching things which are unchallenging
                            for them, but not so dumb as to be insulting to them. The same things are
                            pretty irritating and insulting for the top percentile, but they won't be
                            watching TV anyway... yes, you guessed it they'll be debating on internet fora.
                            • ql Re: tv programme 01.03.06, 13:58
                              usenetposts napisał:

                              > When I worked in TV, one of the first things my then boss
                              > said to me is "You don't make TV for yourself".

                              Your boss was right. And tv is all about the ratings now. Intellectually loaded
                              programmes have too small target, so it's unfortunately no use to make such
                              programmes, cos they bring you no money and no good ratings.

                              By the way, what tv did you work for? Why don't you work in tv now?
                              • usenetposts Re: tv programme 01.03.06, 17:23
                                ql napisał:

                                > usenetposts napisał:
                                >
                                > > When I worked in TV, one of the first things my then boss
                                > > said to me is "You don't make TV for yourself".
                                >
                                > Your boss was right. And tv is all about the ratings now. Intellectually
                                loaded
                                >
                                > programmes have too small target, so it's unfortunately no use to make such
                                > programmes, cos they bring you no money and no good ratings.
                                >
                                > By the way, what tv did you work for? Why don't you work in tv now?

                                see www.dtv.ru

                                I was only doing it until our own Firm was up and running and ready to take the
                                weight of my salary requirement as full time. I was helping them a few hours a
                                week in my own time all the mean time, and working in TV was an interesting
                                thing to do, and , in Russia, quite remunerative.

                                It was interesting, but I can tell you that doing what I do is even more
                                interesting. I barely left the city when I was in TV, whereas being a biegly
                                rewident takes me all over the place and I get to see from the inside all sorts
                                of different businesses.

                                Anyway, audit is my profession. It took me a long time to qualify, but I reaped
                                the fruit in the end - for a lifelong learner there's no comparable profession
                                that I know of.

                                If anyone in Poland is interested in entering the audit profession, by the way,
                                they are welcome to contact me privately.
    • ql Long time no see... 16.03.06, 00:39
      I have almost forgotten, when I have posted anything for the last time.
      I am happy to see new people here. Our, if you don't mind Davesmile, forum
      community is still growing. smile

      Please don't think, my absence was caused by the fear of being censored or
      other paranoias haunting us these days. wink

      MfG
      Auf Wiese gehen smile
      • usenetposts Re: Long time no see... 18.03.06, 13:03
        ql napisał:

        > I have almost forgotten, when I have posted anything for the last time.
        > I am happy to see new people here. Our, if you don't mind Davesmile, forum
        > community is still growing. smile

        I don't mind, on the contrary, that's how I prefer people to think about it.

        >
        > Please don't think, my absence was caused by the fear of being censored or
        > other paranoias haunting us these days. wink
        >
        > MfG
        > Auf Wiese gehen smile

        Hoffentlich kommste auch von der Wiese zurueck...

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