how can foreigners do????

09.02.06, 11:03
hello, i have a question and i hope your advises. how can a foreigner start
to teach the native languaje in poland. what are the steps a person should do
to acomplis this, because i have tried to work as native spanish speaker and
so far i havent had any result. so foreigners who teach in here how did you
start teaching?? and advises are welcome. by the way my city is poznan
bye bye
    • mwanginjagi Re: how can foreigners do???? 09.02.06, 12:07
      Felipe,

      Thank you for your question. Poland has a very large market in Languages and
      some languages are yet to be tapped into. I would advise, first to put an ad in
      the local daily newspaper.. some 2-3 lines , running for 4 weeks... goes for
      about 15 Zl... get some 2-3 private students and practice how it goes with
      them. I used to tutor English in Warsaw... rates were about 40-60 zl per hour.
      That was 2 years ago, I don't know how the market looks like now... but this
      will be a good start.

      All the best and regards

      /Mwangi
    • hardenfelt Re: how can foreigners do???? 09.02.06, 12:29
      If You are Spanish (EU-citizen) or married to a Pole or have a Karta Stałego
      Pobytu You can register a Company. If You are Latin-American, not married to a
      pole and possess no Karta Stałego Pobytu, then it will be much too complicated
      to do it legally (you will need a Sp. z o.o. = Sociedad Anonima)

      You will first need to go to the town hall to register Your company, afterwards
      to ZUS (Seguro Social). You have to pay ZUS every month – at the moment there
      is a preference tariff for start-ups (300-400 Zl. a month). The You register at
      Your local tax office and wait around a month for a tax-number. Finally You
      make Yourself a business bank account and a stamp. Then You can start.

      While You wait it’s a good idea to learn as much as possible about Your own
      language. Most native speakers find their language to be so obvious that no
      explanations are needed. But most of Your clients will be beginners, and they
      need to be presented to the rules. It’s easier if You just do conversation
      classes, but then You can’t take beginners, and most of Your clients will be
      beginners.

      Buy some good grammar books and course books at different levels. The Spanish
      books are much better than the books made in Poland.

      Don’t do more than 12-14 hours a week in the beginning unless You have teaching
      experience – that will kill You.

      If You don’t speak Polish, then don’t try to explain grammar. Grammar is
      incomprehensible for most people and unless they master Spanish at an advanced
      level You’ll finish them off with grammar explanations in Spanish. Explain the
      rules on examples – loads of examples where you contrast different structures.
      Be patient. It’s not easy to learn a foreign language.

      Make Your students speak. They should speak for at least 70% of the time.
      Preferably more.

      Clients – look for places in the net where You can place Your adds. It’s also
      worth to make Your own WWW-page. Small adverts in Gazeta Wyborcza also give
      quite a lot (after all, there are still people not connected to the net). Place
      Your adverts at the University. Poznan University has the best language
      institute in Poland, and for sure You will find students looking for
      conversation classes with a native. The only sad point is that students tend to
      be poor.

      Build a brand. Be professional and try to find out what each client expects
      from You – and give him that with individual programs. It’s better to say no if
      You don’t feel You are up to the specific demands. In the future a lot of Your
      students should come from mouth to mouth method. I difficult to build a
      reputation and easy to spoil it. In the beginning it takes a lot of
      preparation, but later a lot of it becomes routine.

      Good luck!
    • yoric Re: how can foreigners do???? 09.02.06, 17:23
      >how can foreigners do?

      do whom?
      • a_g1 Re: how can foreigners do???? 09.02.06, 19:38
        Contact also all language schools in Poznan. Even if they will not offer a job to you , you can get there some interesting information about the market and some inspirations.
        • mwanginjagi Re: how can foreigners do???? 09.02.06, 23:15
          Hello,

          And don't bother so much in getting 'all the papers right' especially if you
          are taking private students.. all these formalities can take forever... so
          don't bother yourself. Get private students and shop around for Language
          schools that can take you .. for the time being as you work things out...
          That's how you survive in Poland and you keep your sanity in check... ooo and
          one other thing.. keep it real bro, the challenges can drive you mad!!

          All the best and regards
          • hardenfelt Re: how can foreigners do???? 10.02.06, 12:08
            mwanginjagi wrote:

            > Hello,
            >
            > And don't bother so much in getting 'all the papers right'

            If you want to be a second-rate illegal immigrant worker in Poland then you of
            course don’t need to care about the paper work.

            A non-EU citizen will probably just face expulsion from Poland whereas a EU-
            citizen will face financial sanctions or even a conviction.

            David might teach us about the consequences of running a not-registered company
            in Poland.

            One may argue that this kind of tax fraud is rarely uncovered in Poland (the
            same could be said about cigarette smuggling or running a brothel).

            It should though be taken into account that Poland is in the process of
            building up a tax-collecting system from scratch. This is an enormous task,
            which you cannot expect to finish within a decade. Tax collecting is getting
            more and more efficient though and I’m convinced that it’s only a matter of
            time before we will see the tax offices actively controlling micro-companies.

            I agree with the argument that it is burdensome to establish a small company in
            Poland. But even that’s getting easier and with a bit of luck you could do
            everything within 6 weeks. I very much hope it will be even easier in the
            future. It is annoying. I also swear at Polish bureaucrats, but then again –
            we’ve chosen to live in this country, and the taxes are not high in Poland.
            After all we should contribute to our society.
            • usenetposts Re: NOT the wise move... 10.02.06, 18:34
              hardenfelt napisał:

              > mwanginjagi wrote:
              >
              > > Hello,
              > >
              > > And don't bother so much in getting 'all the papers right'
              >
              > If you want to be a second-rate illegal immigrant worker in Poland then you
              of
              > course don’t need to care about the paper work.
              >
              > A non-EU citizen will probably just face expulsion from Poland whereas a EU-
              > citizen will face financial sanctions or even a conviction.
              >
              > David might teach us about the consequences of running a not-registered
              company
              >
              > in Poland.

              The consequences of not registering the business is most importantly you cannot
              be paying tax unless all the registrations are valid. For services carried out
              on Polish territory it's VAT which is the trickiest of these, but on top of
              that you also have monthly oncome tax, whether corporate or personal.

              Undisclosed income can be fined at a punitive tax rate of 50% of the income
              involved, plus interest on it - which means time will not heal the situation,
              only make it all the more devastating if you do get caught.

              Within the EU, tax`evaders are increasingly looking at custodial sentences, and
              Poland is no exception.

              Also, what this user said, in enouraging people to break the law, is also
              against the Ordinacja Podatkowa, and could carry a custodial sentence if agora
              chooses to reveal details of his ISP to the authorities - detailed which of
              course are logged and available for some time.

              So unless Mwanginjagi was using from an internet cafe where he paid cash, his
              use of free speech may already have resulted in "the Knock". Inspectors of the
              Tax Office could already be investigating him as we speak.
              • hardenfelt Re: NOT the wise move... 10.02.06, 18:39
                Usernetposts wrote:
                For services carried out
                > on Polish territory it's VAT which is the trickiest of these

                Let me point out that education is extempted from VAT.
                • mwanginjagi Re: NOT the wise move... 11.02.06, 13:45
                  Hi all,

                  I don't see how a Polish person would advise on matters and challenges that
                  foreigners face so keep you well-formulated rattles to yourselves. if you are
                  Polish, these advises are not for you...
                  ooo, and again, I repeat, you do not understand the stuff foreigners go thru in
                  Poland, so best thing is to shut up.

                  Thanks and Regards
                  /Mwangi
                  • bluteau Re: NOT the wise move... 11.02.06, 15:06
                    Oh now don't disappoint us Mwangi. You're not going to be another waldek1610 are
                    you?
                    Let yourself be reminded that this is a public forum. If Poles want to
                    participate in a discussion started by a foreigner, they're free, and even
                    welcome, to do so.

                    By the way, Dave is a foreigner living in Poland, so his input on this matter is
                    just as valid as yours (if not more since he's still here and has been in Poland
                    longer than you were).

                    I'm a foreigner myself who's been living in Poland for over 11 years. I have my
                    own small business, so I've been through "the stuff foreigners go thru". I can
                    tell you that in the long run it makes life a lot easier if you legalise your
                    business activities. I don't know why you paint Poland in such bleak colours...
                  • hardenfelt Re: NOT the wise move... 11.02.06, 16:53
                    mwanginjagi napisał:

                    > Hi all,
                    >
                    > I don't see how a Polish person would advise on matters and challenges that
                    > foreigners face so keep you well-formulated rattles to yourselves. if you are
                    > Polish, these advises are not for you...
                    > ooo, and again, I repeat, you do not understand the stuff foreigners go thru
                    in
                    >
                    > Poland, so best thing is to shut up.


                    Waldek - will You answer him. I just don't bother, and I beleive Your choise of
                    words will be more suiting than mine (I'll owe You one).
                  • kylie1 Re: NOT the wise move... 11.02.06, 22:00
                    Messing around with taxes is not worth it. Besides, you might be under more
                    scrutiny than anyone else in Poland. Using the system (otherwise known as
                    cheating) is NOT the way to go in the West or anywhere else.
                    And when they do come and knock on your door, your cocky attitude won't help
                    things at all.
                    • mwanginjagi Re: NOT the wise move... 11.02.06, 22:31
                      Hi all,

                      I think my choice of words has offended some of you.. I appologize for that. My
                      viewpoint is not avoiding taxes or legalizing ones entrepreneurship. I am just
                      stating facts that the depatment and ministry that handles such affairs does
                      such a POOR Job, any foreigner can attest to that. They have long beurocratic
                      and unnecessary things to do... they refuse to hand the right papers at will,
                      irrespective of the Polish law...

                      I might sound a little too forthcoming, but Poland is not ready for
                      foreigners... a lot of systems need to be streamlined or given a complete
                      overhaul to attract foreigners in Poland. Compare Poland and Czech Rep. I
                      believe that Poland has a much higher touristic and economic potential that
                      Czech Rep. but the difference is that Czech's system is well-designed and
                      straight-foward. You do not know how many foreigners have left or a planning to
                      leave poland due to the system in place...


                      And to my Polish friends... maybe you should get some more stories of what goes
                      down among foreigners and give some more pragmatic solutions.

                      Regards
                • usenetposts Re: NOT the wise move... 12.02.06, 14:45
                  hardenfelt napisał:

                  > Usernetposts wrote:
                  > For services carried out
                  > > on Polish territory it's VAT which is the trickiest of these
                  >
                  > Let me point out that education is extempted from VAT.

                  OK
              • ianek70 Re: NOT the wise move... 15.02.06, 14:24
                usenetposts napisał:

                > The consequences of not registering the business is most importantly you
                cannot
                >
                > be paying tax unless all the registrations are valid. For services carried
                out
                > on Polish territory it's VAT which is the trickiest of these, but on top of
                > that you also have monthly oncome tax, whether corporate or personal.
                >
                > Undisclosed income can be fined at a punitive tax rate of 50% of the income
                > involved, plus interest on it - which means time will not heal the situation,
                > only make it all the more devastating if you do get caught.

                Mwangi wrote about language schools.
                It's no problem finding work in a language school if you haven't got 'the right
                papers', because some don't check, others find ways round it.
                If they don't check, then you pay tax normally, and if you have any legal
                problems, you simply say, well, I've been working and paying tax like a good
                citizen, so if my employers have employed me illegally it's their fault.
                If they find ways around it, then you're not even employed, so no probs.
                Apparently.
                And has anyone in the history of the universe ever declared cash payments for
                private lessons on their tax return?
            • terra-nova Be aware be very aware! 15.02.06, 04:07
              There are some commmunist ghosts like this one. Typical Polish nut. As you see
              some of the informers know English and surf the net to find out what happens
              around. They do not go after they own crooks because it can be dangerous they
              can disappear or lose they life ....so they chase poor students...
              • mwanginjagi Re: Be aware be very aware! 15.02.06, 04:26
                terra-nova napisała:

                > There are some commmunist ghosts like this one. Typical Polish nut. As you
                see
                > some of the informers know English and surf the net to find out what happens
                > around. They do not go after they own crooks because it can be dangerous they
                > can disappear or lose they life ....so they chase poor students...

                LOL !! Fafanua tafadhali .. This is a swahili term I will be using for "Please
                elaborate yourself" .. or "Prosze wyjasnic "

                Pozdrawiam
                /Mwangi
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