Foreigners in Poland, stuborn as donkeys?

12.02.06, 11:56
The general rule for living in a foreign country is; "When in Rome, do as
Romans do" PERIOD!

Why is then, that so many foreigners in Poland like to supercede Polish ways
with their own foreign rules and ways of doing things? Not only that, British
citizens for example seem to be shocked that Poles don't do everything
English (or Western European) way....And if this is not a sign of arrogance I
don't know what else you can call this.

I believe we could avoid many disagreements if non-Poles took this simple
truth under consideration; Poles do things that work for Poles, Brits do
their tricks to suite their idea of World.

I'm just mad when Tony Blair tries to convince Poles that the 100 milion Euro
is better for them... than 6 billion Euro....And yet he says that with a
straight face. I believe that British avoid inconvenient questions whenever
possible, they developed this "English arrogant trash talk" what Dave
calls "nuances" that they actually believe it to be the truth.
    • bluteau Re: Foreigners in Poland, stuborn as donkeys? 12.02.06, 12:20
      I abide by that rule myself.

      Yet again your lumping everyone here together, saying with absolute certainty
      that we're all doing our absolute best to oppose Polish laws, customs,
      traditions and what not. How do you know how we go about our every day life here
      in Poland? I'm living in Poland and I've been granted Polish citizenship - which
      incidently is not something I ever felt I was automatically entitled to as a
      Westerner. From the very moment I set foot on Polish soil, I've done my best to
      respect and adopt the Polish way of life. Anyone who immigrates, or temporarily
      lives and works, in a foreign country and does nothing but oppose it's realities
      is asking for trouble and a very hard life. I don't believe the majority of
      people on this forum would do that to themselves. The fact that I oppose you and
      your ideals does not at all mean I oppose the Polish nation or anything Polish.
      I will repeat that what you're propagating on this forum is representative of
      your personal view - not the nation's.
      • gurak [...] 12.02.06, 12:35
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        • waldek1610 Re: Foreigners in Poland, stuborn as donkeys? 12.02.06, 12:42
          Perheaps you don't abide by Polish values, but you know that in a democracy, a
          majority has a right to make laws to suite their ways, and you as a opposing
          minority have a right to be against, but still have to abide by certains
          relgulations and laws wheather you want it or not.
      • waldek1610 Poles are predominantly conservative,it is a fact 12.02.06, 12:37
        bluteau napisała:

        > I will repeat that what you're propagating on this forum is representative of
        > your personal view - not the nation's.

        Good, than am I making it up that majority of Poles are Catolics, conservative
        and against gay propaganda? If it was not a truth.... PIS (Law and Justice) and
        Lech Kaczynski would not have gotten majority of votes in last elections.

        Why is then, many foreigners didn't spare me offencive epitaths, and said
        that "this is only your poinion", whille they know very well they are
        unfortunatelly wrong.

        It is OK to admit that your oponent is right, regardless how much you despise a
        truth...
        • bluteau Re: Poles are predominantly conservative,it is a 12.02.06, 12:51
          The Poles I meet here are Catholic only on paper, not so very conservative and
          don't openly shout homophobic slogans in public. I don't personally know anyone
          who voted for Kaczyński. I will say this though, your views are quite similar to
          many (but not all) Poles over the age of 50 and to those of the "moherowe
          berety". I've never been to Chicago, more specifically to the Polish community
          there, but if I think about all the different ethnic communities I had the
          pleasure of meeting and visiting in Montreal, I can say that I always noticed
          that the immigrant feeling for one's own country is often stronger than that of
          those still living in the mother land, and that the immigrant view of one's own
          country is often very old fashioned (as it doesn't change and modernise much in
          it's isolation).

          If foreigners would be wrong in thinking that your opinions are only your
          opinions, does that mean they are not your opinions?
          • waldek1610 Re: Poles are predominantly conservative,it is a 12.02.06, 13:19
            You don't think that Kaczynski was elected solely thanks to Polonia, and
            retirees in Poland? Aren't you bending truth way to far?

            Although it is true that Poles living abroads tend to be more conservative and
            patriotic, it is mainly due to the fact that living away from Polish reality
            they are not being corrupted by personal interests and "uklady" that
            unfortunatelly exist in Poland, that President Kaczynski is trying to clean
            up...
    • usenetposts Re: Foreigners in Poland, stuborn as donkeys? 12.02.06, 12:56
      waldek1610 napisał:

      > The general rule for living in a foreign country is; "When in Rome, do as
      > Romans do" PERIOD!

      WAS, Waldek, WAS.

      This has been superseded now.

      Now the general rule is "When joining the treaty of Rome, then honour the
      commitments you sign up to, and do what the other Treaty of Rome countries do."
      That means foreigners from other EU countries are free to treat this country as
      if it were their own.

      And that's precisely what I'm gonna do, so there.
      • waldek1610 Re: Foreigners in Poland, stuborn as donkeys? 12.02.06, 13:12
        usenetposts napisał:

        > waldek1610 napisał:
        >
        > > The general rule for living in a foreign country is; "When in Rome, do as
        >
        > > Romans do" PERIOD!
        >
        > WAS, Waldek, WAS.
        >
        > This has been superseded now.
        >
        > Now the general rule is "When joining the treaty of Rome, then honour the
        > commitments you sign up to, and do what the other Treaty of Rome countries
        do."
        >
        > That means foreigners from other EU countries are free to treat this country
        as
        >
        > if it were their own.
        >
        > And that's precisely what I'm gonna do, so there.
        >
        Cool, then I guess I'm going to treat UK as my own land, as it is part of EU
        and being Polish citizen I have a right to influence changes there as well.
        Can we start with returning 90% of art colected in British museums to where
        they stole it from, and don't forget Rubenses, Rembrands from Stanislaus
        collection that Brits have unlawfully claimed as their own.
        • usenetposts Re: Foreigners in Poland, stuborn as donkeys? 12.02.06, 14:09
          waldek1610 napisał:

          > usenetposts napisał:
          >
          > > waldek1610 napisał:
          > >
          > > > The general rule for living in a foreign country is; "When in Rome,
          > do as
          > >
          > > > Romans do" PERIOD!
          > >
          > > WAS, Waldek, WAS.
          > >
          > > This has been superseded now.
          > >
          > > Now the general rule is "When joining the treaty of Rome, then honour the
          >
          > > commitments you sign up to, and do what the other Treaty of Rome countrie
          > s
          > do."
          > >
          > > That means foreigners from other EU countries are free to treat this coun
          > try
          > as
          > >
          > > if it were their own.
          > >
          > > And that's precisely what I'm gonna do, so there.
          > >
          > Cool, then I guess I'm going to treat UK as my own land, as it is part of EU
          > and being Polish citizen I have a right to influence changes there as well.
          > Can we start with returning 90% of art colected in British museums to where
          > they stole it from, and don't forget Rubenses, Rembrands from Stanislaus
          > collection that Brits have unlawfully claimed as their own.
          >

          They were a private collecting firm, it was not the British state. The Polish
          King gave them an advance to buy the paintings, so they went ahead and bought
          them, and they did not deliver them as the final payment was not made, seeing
          that the Kind died and no-one else wanted to pay it.

          The company got paid for their finding the art, and were left with a lot of
          dear pieces on their hands that no-one in your country, which had asked for
          them, wanted to pay for.

          If you would like to pay their current value minus what the Polish King paid,
          and donate the whole thing to Poland then nobody is stopping you doing it.

          As it is you can go to London with no visa and you can see the Dulwich
          collection whenever you like, subject to gallery opening times. If you are
          charged a fee for entering the gallery, I will personally reimburse you your
          entry price for an entry to that gallery on receipt of your ticket.

          If you wish to behave in the UK as you would in Poland, then as long as you
          don't put other people's safety in jeopardy you will not be prevented from
          doing so.

          You can go faff around the highlands of Scotland or Arthur's Tintagel castle in
          Cornwall painting our landscapes for months on end if you like, and nobody
          except other tourists will get in your face.
          • nasza_maggie waldek you didn't even vote in the elections.... 12.02.06, 15:26
            and again the whole Radio Maryja thing...


            aw well......
          • mwanginjagi Re: Foreigners in Poland, stuborn as donkeys? 13.02.06, 01:52
            Wladek1610,

            I have really lost your storyline ... what is it that makes yu think that
            Foreigners in poland do not respect or adhere to the laws and the culture of
            the country? Any particular examples?

            And this dose of them becoming Polish in culture and lifestyle.. I thought
            Poland was a democractic and free nation... Just like there is a very distint
            diaspora of Polish immigrants who live in Chicago, sell Polish food, heavens,
            the streets are even names after Polish dignitaries and all. This is normal...
            every diaspora keeps together to celebrate their uniqueness... you don't have
            to bash every foreigner in Poland just because they don't like basch czerwony!!!

            Get over yourself and come back to reality... and if you have some better
            clarity of what you wish to convey in this thread.. put it forthright

            Pozdrawiam
            /MWangi
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