Temporary residence permit

16.02.06, 14:50
Dear fellow foreigners,
I am Australian married to a Polish citizen and we would like to live and work
in Poland. In earlier post ("how long does it take to get temp residence") it
was said that if you are married to a Pole all you need is a temporary
residence in order to be able to work. So my questions are: a. Is this true?
and b. How one goes about getting that temporary residence status?
What documentation do I need and where do I lodge that application? How long
does it take to have your application processed (it wasn't actually answered
in the post I mentioned)? And finally, what are these: NIP and Pesel?
Cheers, Ben
    • ianek70 Re: Temporary residence permit 16.02.06, 15:57
      bengateau napisał:

      > Dear fellow foreigners,
      > I am Australian married to a Polish citizen and we would like to live and work
      > in Poland. In earlier post ("how long does it take to get temp residence") it
      > was said that if you are married to a Pole all you need is a temporary
      > residence in order to be able to work. So my questions are: a. Is this true?

      Yes, you don't need a work permit if you're married to a Pole, and also if
      you're a citizen of the EU (at least, UK citizens don't need permits, but that
      might be because Poles can work in Britain).

      > and b. How one goes about getting that temporary residence status?
      > What documentation do I need and where do I lodge that application?

      You put in the application at the local Urząd Wojewódzki, the regional council
      office.
      As far as I know, the documents you need depend on your own citizenship,
      whether you're married to a Pole or not. So for EU citizens it's now relatively
      simple, for non-EU folks it's still stupidly complicated and there's a
      different form.
      You can probably check this on-line, but I'll be in the Urząd in the next
      couple of days and can pick up a form and let you know what's on it.
      But basically, you'll need a certificate from the police that you don't have a
      criminal record (most countries' police don't issue this, so you might have to
      go to your embassy in Warsaw), ditto the declaration that you don't owe any
      tax. You have to have an official registered address (zameldowanie), proof that
      you can support yourself financially (this is a bit vague, and from a legal
      point of view very stupid), a CV (!), photocopies of birth certificate,
      passport and college/uni degree (if you've got that on your CV) and an
      insurance policy. Plus of course 2 photographs and a fat wad of money.

      How long
      > does it take to have your application processed (it wasn't actually answered
      > in the post I mentioned)?

      How long is a piece of string?

      > And finally, what are these: NIP and Pesel?

      NIP is your tax number, Pesel is your social security number.
      • nasza_maggie Re: Temporary residence permit 16.02.06, 16:04
        >Plus of course 2 photographs and a fat wad of money.

        erm, a bribe to get a residence permit? I think your imagination has run wild a
        little....
        • ianek70 Re: Temporary residence permit 16.02.06, 16:09
          nasza_maggie napisała:

          > >Plus of course 2 photographs and a fat wad of money.
          >
          > erm, a bribe to get a residence permit? I think your imagination has run wild
          a
          >
          > little....

          No, not a bribe, 2.5 zl for znaczki fiskalne and 400 zl for processing the
          application.
          • nasza_maggie Re: Temporary residence permit 16.02.06, 16:11
            urm, that could amount to
            2 notes
            and 2 coinssmile
            • ianek70 Re: Temporary residence permit 16.02.06, 16:51
              nasza_maggie napisała:

              > urm, that could amount to
              > 2 notes
              > and 2 coinssmile

              Or 40 notes and 250 coins.
              Or 1 note, if you're a really good liar smile
      • nasza_maggie Re: Temporary residence permit 16.02.06, 16:06
        benga,
        tried reading here?

        www.poland.embassy.gov.au/index.html
        www.poland.embassy.gov.au/consular/index.html

        magsmile
      • bengateau Re: Temporary residence permit 16.02.06, 17:32
        Thank you ianek70 for your reply. I'd like to take you up on your offer - it
        would be great if you could pick up the form for non-EU nationals and let me
        know what's on it. That's very kind of you and it's appreciated, thank you. I
        tried to find some answers on-line, and have found this page in English:
        www.mazowsze.uw.gov.pl/news.php?id=6033
        I thought I am to apply for the "Residence permit for a specified period" to get
        temporary residence, but on the list of prerequisites is "certificate of
        temporary residence"? What is the difference between the two? I couldn't find
        the same list for that certificate.
        Thank you also to nasza_maggie for the Aussie embassy link, but they don't
        really have the info I'm after.
        Cheers, Ben
        • wertom2000 Re: Temporary residence permit 16.02.06, 21:55
          okey. the procedure to obtain temporary residence permit (karta czasowego
          pobytu in Polish) based on marriage to a Polish citizen is super simple. I know
          it because my husband is a non-EU foreigner and I am an active member of an
          organisation of Polish-foreign couples, where I help people with immigration
          issues. once you get it you are allowed to work legally. it takes between 45
          and 90 days to get it and costs about hundred euros. all you is:
          proof of registration in Poland (zameldowanie czasowe - in Polish)
          4 applications for temporary residence permit
          2 copies of passport
          4 photos that meet certain specifications
          copy of your polish spouse's state id (dowod osobisty)
          polish marriage certificate (even if you got married abroad you'll need to get
          a polish certificate at a local Urzad Stanu Cywilnego- the procedure of
          obtaining it is called in Polish - umiejscowienie aktu malzenstwa - it costs up
          to fifty zlotys and may take up to 30 days- if you don't have it yet that's
          what you should start with). all info is available in Polish at
          www.mazowieckie.pl/news.php?id=894
          you might also have to prove that you have a place to live (lease or proof that
          your spouse or someone in her family owns the place that you'll be staying at)

          you have to remember that foreign documents have to be accompanied by certified
          translations. you need to aply for the temp residence card at least 45 days
          before your visa expires (or if you can stay in Poland for 90 days without a
          visa, then you'll have to aply before the 45th day of your stay).

          you do not need pesel or nip to apply for temporary residency. however, you
          have to get these numbers to work in poland. first you apply for pesel in the
          same place where you get the registration (you can do it at the same moment).
          once you have pesel you can apply for nip.

          to sum up, getting temporaty residency is very easy as long as you follow the
          procedure, and submit all the docs in timely manner. if you're wel organized
          it'll take you 45 days to get residency, pesel and nip. in other words in less
          then 2 months from you're arrival you'll be able to live and work in poland. \

          you're welcomed to visit www.obcokrajowcy.republika.pl/
          we've got our mailing list and if you subscribe to it you can easily meet
          people that have knowledgle and experience in immigration issues in Poland and
          worldwide. you're welcomed to write in english.

          • bengateau Re: Temporary residence permit 16.02.06, 23:11
            wertom2000,

            Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!! I can't thank you enough for taking the time
            to write this information to me, you've made my day.

            All the best, Ben smile
          • ianek70 Re: Temporary residence permit 17.02.06, 14:07
            wertom2000 napisała:

            > once you get it you are allowed to work legally. it takes between 45
            > and 90 days to get it and costs about hundred euros. all you is:
            > proof of registration in Poland (zameldowanie czasowe - in Polish)
            > 4 applications for temporary residence permit
            > 2 copies of passport
            > 4 photos that meet certain specifications
            > copy of your polish spouse's state id (dowod osobisty)
            > polish marriage certificate (even if you got married abroad you'll need to
            get
            > a polish certificate at a local Urzad Stanu Cywilnego- the procedure of
            > obtaining it is called in Polish - umiejscowienie aktu malzenstwa - it costs
            up
            >
            > to fifty zlotys and may take up to 30 days- if you don't have it yet that's
            > what you should start with). all info is available in Polish at
            > www.mazowieckie.pl/news.php?id=894
            > you might also have to prove that you have a place to live (lease or proof
            that
            >
            > your spouse or someone in her family owns the place that you'll be staying at)
            >
            > you have to remember that foreign documents have to be accompanied by
            certified
            >
            > translations. you need to aply for the temp residence card at least 45 days
            > before your visa expires (or if you can stay in Poland for 90 days without a
            > visa, then you'll have to aply before the 45th day of your stay).

            I was in the Urząd handing in my documents today, and I picked up a leaflet, so
            I can add:
            You also need proof that you can support yourself financially, and health
            insurance, or else a statement signed by a notary that you've got someone
            supporting you financially, and who is prepared to cover any eventual medical
            costs.
            Your birth certificate and those of any children you have (even if they're
            Polish citizens), with Polish translations.
            Proof that you don't owe any tax in Poland.

            The whole list contains 20 items, but some are only relevant if you want to
            start a business or if you were born Polish and changed citizenship.
            • nasza_maggie Re: Temporary residence permit 17.02.06, 14:42
              Ben,
              let us kno how you got on?
              magsmile
              • bengateau Re: Temporary residence permit 17.02.06, 16:40
                I sure will, you guys have been wonderful smile

                ianek70, thank you for your update. I have job waiting for me in Poland, and the
                company will provide health insurance. I hope that will satisfy their financial
                and health cover requirements.

                Thank you all once again smile

                Cheers, Ben
                • usenetposts Brilliant post by Wertom2000 17.02.06, 18:26
                  Big up to Wertom in this thread.
            • wertom2000 Re: Temporary residence permit 17.02.06, 18:26
              The tax proof in case of application for the temporary residency for the first
              time isn't needed. Also if you apply for the Temporary residency card based on
              marriage to a Polish citizen, you do not need the proof that you can support
              yourself financially - there's been a famous High Court ruling concerning this
              issue; a Polish teacher was refused to bring over his Ukrainian wife and her
              daughter (they didnt get temp residency). The immigration office claimed he
              didn't have enough money to support them. The case went to court, which ruled
              that there are only few cases in which you can deny a foreign spouse of a
              polish citizen a right to come and live in Poland. It happens only if you have
              violated a Polish immigration law before, if you are a criminal in Poland or
              somewhere else, or if you pose danger to the Republic of Poland (for example
              they believe and have a proof that you belong to a terrorist organization). So,
              ianek70, I don't know what kind of temp residence permit you applied for, but
              it either wasn't a marriage based residency permit or you sbmitted documents
              that were not required.


        • wertom2000 Re: Temporary residence permit 16.02.06, 21:59
          ps. if need any more info, you're welcomed to email me at: on_off_pl@mail.ru
          just write smth here after yor send me anything so that i know that i should
          check that account.
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