40% of British Muslims want to scrap English law.

19.02.06, 02:37
The Telegraph tinyurl.com/dpsef says in today's online edition, the
following:

Four out of 10 British Muslims want sharia law introduced into parts of the
country, a survey reveals today.

The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with
the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last
July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were
wrong to carry out the atrocity.


50pc said interracial relations were worsening
Overall, the findings depict a Muslim community becoming more radical and
feeling more alienated from mainstream society, even though 91 per cent still
say they feel loyal to Britain.

The results of the poll, conducted for the Sunday Telegraph, came as
thousands of Muslims staged a fresh protest in London yesterday against the
publication of cartoons of Mohammed. In Libya, at least 10 people died in
protests linked to the caricatures.

And in Pakistan, a cleric was reported to have put a $1 million (£575,000)
bounty on the head of the Danish cartoonist who drew the original pictures.

Last night, Sadiq Khan, the Labour MP involved with the official task force
set up after the July attacks, said the findings were "alarming". He
added: "Vast numbers of Muslims feel disengaged and alienated from mainstream
British society." Sir Iqbal Sacranie, the secretary general of the Muslim
Council of Britain, said: "This poll confirms the widespread opposition among
British Muslims to the so-called war on terror."

The most startling finding is the high level of support for applying sharia
law in "predom-inantly Muslim" areas of Britain.


Sadiq Khan: 'Alarming'
Islamic law is used in large parts of the Middle East, including Iran and
Saudi Arabia, and is enforced by religious police. Special courts can hand
down harsh punishments which can include stoning and amputation.

Forty per cent of the British Muslims surveyed said they backed introducing
sharia in parts of Britain, while 41 per cent opposed it. Twenty per cent
felt sympathy with the July 7 bombers' motives, and 75 per cent did not. One
per cent felt the attacks were "right".

Nearly two thirds thought the video images shown last week of British troops
beating Iraqi youths were symptomatic of a wider problem in Iraq. Half did
not think the soldiers would be "appropriately punished".

Half of the 500 people surveyed said relations between white Britons and
Muslims were getting worse. Only just over half thought the conviction of the
cleric Abu Hamza for incitement to murder and race hatred was fair.

Mr Khan, the MP for Tooting, said: "We must redouble our efforts to bring
Muslims on board with the mainstream community. For all the efforts made
since last July, things do not have appear to have got better."

He agreed with Sir Iqbal that the poll showed Muslims still had a "big gripe"
about foreign policy, particularly over the war on terror and Iraq.

David Davis, the shadow home secretary, said: "It shows we have a long way to
go to win the battle of ideas within some parts of the Muslim community and
why it is absolutely vital that we reinforce the voice of moderate Islam
wherever possible."

A spokesman for Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, said: "It is critically
important to ensure that Muslims, and all faiths, feel part of modern British
society. Today's survey indicates we still have a long way to go… [but] we
are committed to working with all faiths to ensure we achieve that end."
    • russh Re: 40% of British Muslims want to scrap English 19.02.06, 07:54
      Inevitable. I read the same.

      There was the protest yesterday by 10000 muslims, I hope tomorrow that there
      will be a protest by 10 million non-muslims, protesting against the instistance
      that non-Muslims change their way of life in their country to accomodate
      Muslims, who are, in general, immigrants or 2nd generation.
      • usenetposts Re: 40% of British Muslims want to scrap English 19.02.06, 13:18
        russh napisał:

        > Inevitable. I read the same.
        >
        > There was the protest yesterday by 10000 muslims, I hope tomorrow that there
        > will be a protest by 10 million non-muslims, protesting against the
        instistance
        > that non-Muslims change their way of life in their country to accomodate
        > Muslims, who are, in general, immigrants or 2nd generation.

        But that will not happen, as we will do anything not to look like fascists and
        nazis. The ghost of twentieth century atrocities haunts us and makes us
        overreact on the side of tolerance, while others, unaffected by such guilt, are
        waiting to slit our throats.
        • russh Re: 40% of British Muslims want to scrap English 19.02.06, 14:22
          It will happen sooner or later. Methinks it will be later - too much later.

          The voice of the masses HAS to come out in the open.
          • usenetposts Re: 40% of British Muslims want to scrap English 19.02.06, 23:41
            Yeah. If I lived in the UK, and I publically tried to arrange for a
            demonstration in London protesting about the way fervent Islamists have not
            been able to adapt to our society, what do you think would happen to me?

            I think I know what would happen to me, I just don't know whether I'd be
            category B, C or D.
    • waldek1610 This man will be the future ruler of UK.... 20.02.06, 12:23
      wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,53600,3172935.html
      unless British wake up and clean up the muslim scum from its shores. NO to
      return of dark ages, NO to tolerance of intolerance!
    • ianek70 Re: 40% of British Muslims want to scrap English 20.02.06, 12:58
      This needs a bit of context.

      usenetposts napisał:

      > The Telegraph says in today's online edition, the
      > following:
      >
      > Four out of 10 British Muslims want sharia law introduced into parts of the
      > country, a survey reveals today.

      British Muslims are disproportionately younger than non-Muslims.
      If lots of pseudo-rebellious teenagers say "yes" to sharia, we don't have to
      take that too seriously. If a minority of Muslims in mainly Muslim areas demand
      the same, remember that the majority of Muslims in the same areas are against
      it. Sharia law is barbaric and medieval, I don't believe it'll ever happen in
      the UK.

      > The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with
      > the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last
      > July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were
      > wrong to carry out the atrocity.

      Very typically liberal Brits.
      Yes, they understand that some folk are alienated, that people get angry, but
      nothing justifies killing innocent civilians.

      > 50pc said interracial relations were worsening

      It takes distrust on both sides for that to happen.
      Like in Yugoslavia or Ulster - they say "I've got nothing against them, but
      some of them hate us".
      Paranoia is a terrible thing which always limits personal freedom, but doesn't
      always lead to violence.
      "The only thing to fear is fear itself."

      > Overall, the findings depict a Muslim community becoming more radical and
      > feeling more alienated from mainstream society, even though 91 per cent still
      > say they feel loyal to Britain.

      This seems to me more optimistic, but how radical is radical? And how loyal is
      loyal?

      > The results of the poll, conducted for the Sunday Telegraph, came as
      > thousands of Muslims staged a fresh protest in London yesterday against the
      > publication of cartoons of Mohammed. In Libya, at least 10 people died in
      > protests linked to the caricatures.

      This is manipulation of people, which happens in every religion.

      > And in Pakistan, a cleric was reported to have put a $1 million (£575,000
      > )
      > bounty on the head of the Danish cartoonist who drew the original pictures.

      He was an arse, and he probably hasn't even got $1 million anyway.

      > Mr Khan, the MP for Tooting, said: "We must redouble our efforts to bring
      > Muslims on board with the mainstream community. For all the efforts made
      > since last July, things do not have appear to have got better."


      > He agreed with Sir Iqbal that the poll showed Muslims still had a "big gripe"
      > about foreign policy, particularly over the war on terror and Iraq.

      Most non-Muslims are against the war, although obviously not always for the
      same reasons.

      > David Davis, the shadow home secretary, said: "It shows we have a long way to
      > go to win the battle of ideas within some parts of the Muslim community and
      > why it is absolutely vital that we reinforce the voice of moderate Islam
      > wherever possible."

      Within some parts.
      The Telegraph is a Tory paper, David Davis is a Tory and as part of the shadow
      cabinet is employed by the taxpayer to criticise the government.
      Life in society has always been complicated and often difficult.
      Shit, as they say, happens.
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