Welcome to the new advertiser!

21.02.06, 16:13
I'd like to thank Klub Dialogu for advertising on the forum here right now,
and helping us give back to GW for the space we have.

I particularly value this right now as we are under review from the admins
with regard to whether I can clean up this place or not. Maybe the existence
of an income flow will help persuade them not to cancel and revoke this Forum
before I get it sorted out.

If not, rest assured I will personally reimburse any lost advertising expense
you incur.

I hope all our members will agree with me that we welcome these adverts, and
please give them a lot of clicks, and prefer to use their services over
others who don't advertise here on the aforum we enjoy being part of.
    • firemouse Re: Welcome to the new advertiser! 21.02.06, 16:20
      What is the review issue?

      Browsing through the forums on gazeta.pl I see a lot of dead ones, and certainly
      a good part of bigger ones too. So what is the deal? Can you set up a personal
      forum for a specific time, of for specific size only?

      Sheesh.

      FM
      • usenetposts Re: Welcome to the new advertiser! 21.02.06, 16:39

        firemouse napisał:

        > What is the review issue?
        >
        > Browsing through the forums on gazeta.pl I see a lot of dead ones, and
        certainl
        > y
        > a good part of bigger ones too. So what is the deal? Can you set up a personal
        > forum for a specific time, of for specific size only?
        >
        > Sheesh.
        >
        > FM

        It's about this matter:

        forum.gazeta.pl/forum/1904849,62605,1621261.html
        That is the rule book that I have to adhere to, and which I haven't been
        adhering to while indulging my preference for a liberal moderating policy, as a
        result of which I was given a warning email from forum.abuse@NOSPAM.gazeta.pl
        instructing me to take action on 20th of this month, which I got today, and I
        answered and asked them to hold off any decisions until Sunday.

        After all, you can read in the linked to rule book that I have to obey their e-
        mails, if not, they can dump the forum.

        Please make a note of my other forum www.usenetposts.com/forum/ where we
        can find each other again if this one suddenly disappears before we are done
        voting. If it happens, I hope that you will also protest the matter to
        forum.abuse@NOSPAM.gazeta.pl .
        • firemouse Re: Welcome to the new advertiser! 21.02.06, 17:01
          Be sure I will protest.

          After reviewing the rules, I find out that GW says "Zgodnie z Regulaminem Forum
          wypowiedzi naruszające Netykietę mogą być usuwane." So even if they say
          "Założyciel Forum Prywatnego jest zobowiązany do usuwania umieszczonych na
          stronach założonego przez niego forum treści sprzecznych z prawem oraz innych
          treści naruszających Regulamin Forum Gazeta.pl. ", it still leaves a space for
          liberal treatment. They don't say that such posts must be deleted.

          Anyway, whatever they say, we have warned author of any violating posts many
          times and now they want to cut it off for the educating action? Geez.

          FM
          • usenetposts Re: Welcome to the new advertiser! 21.02.06, 17:13
            I have also discovered that there is at least one squelched post on this forum
            that I did not squelch. This is from sokrates.gurak in one of the waldek
            related threads. This is another light hint from the admins that I am not
            pulling my weight as a zalozyciel and therefore I appear to be under some sort
            of review or examination.

            Like I say, make a note of that other place, as I would not like to lose
            contact with everyone if this forum does get dumped, and my rights of access
            removed.

            It's a rotten shame, actually, since all I wanted to do when I set this up was
            help people, but I long ago stopped believing that there is anything like
            justice in this world.
            • ianek70 Censorship! Read this v. quickly! 21.02.06, 17:54
              usenetposts napisał:

              > I have also discovered that there is at least one squelched post on this
              forum
              > that I did not squelch. This is from sokrates.gurak in one of the waldek
              > related threads. This is another light hint from the admins that I am not
              > pulling my weight as a zalozyciel and therefore I appear to be under some
              sort
              > of review or examination.

              That's just the Wyborcza way of being "liberalna".
              For a while they used to regularly write weird stuff about Scotland, and every
              time an article claimed education is free there for Poles, folk would write
              on "Praca Zagranicą" and various other forums asking if this was true, and
              people who are better-informed than GW journalists would reply no, of course
              not.
              Being a nice, helpful person, I posted a link on the private "Polacy w Szkocji"
              forum to the British Council's Scottish education page, which said if you are
              an EU citizen you MAY be entitled to REDUCED fees, and gave details. This fact
              contradicted the GW's bizarre fantasies, and the thread was removed almost
              immediately.
              • usenetposts Re: Censorship! Read this v. quickly! 21.02.06, 20:21
                I did a "print screen" on that one just in case...
                • nasza_maggie people 21.02.06, 23:44
                  this forum will not be deleted. not whilst anything to do with thissmile

                  If you are worried about something on the forum, you should email the link of
                  the post to
                  forum.abuse@gazeta.pl

                  And also, when it comes to GW owned forums, you are asked not to reply to spam
                  and abuse, but to report it by clicking the red dustbing functionsmile

                  you can also find help here:

                  forum on forum
                  forum.gazeta.pl/forum/71,1.html?f=299

                  forum on moderation
                  forum.gazeta.pl/forum/71,1.html?f=654
                  as for the gurak post David, it may well have been the 'hammer effect'. Which
                  in polish net terms, means that if a troll has been found, all and any post of
                  his are removed from the whole GW forum in one go. Meaning, nobody from GW
                  specifically came to this forum to do that. It was automatic for any place he
                  posted.




                  the donkey bench (where any spam is moved to - you cannot reply to it)
                  forum.gazeta.pl/forum/71,1.html?f=396
    • kylie1 Re: Welcome to the new advertiser! 22.02.06, 00:39
      I am certainly not for shutting this forum down but somehow it doesn't surprise
      me. Whether you "rent out" Gazeta's space or run your own independant forum,
      same rules apply. They are fairly simple, I would think.
      Waldo has definitely overstayed his welcome and maybe this will be the long-
      needed solution to end his insults.
      I would really like to see Dave's forum continue and I will send a message to
      the administrators to keep it open. All we need to do is tell them that we
      intend to act responsibly within it. I will certainly keep clinicking on all
      those adds but that might not be enough. We will have to apply some changes or
      the forum goes down.
      I think most of us would want to see this place open. If you have a minute,
      please write to the admins. It can't hurt things.

      Thnak you,

      Kyliesmile
      • nasza_maggie Re: Welcome to the new advertiser! 22.02.06, 00:50
        Kylie, but there is no need to write - as they won't smile))) Unless this becomes
        troll heaven and the netiquette is not obeyed smile))))
        • kylie1 Re: Welcome to the new advertiser! 22.02.06, 01:11
          > Kylie, but there is no need to write

          I don't agree with you, Maggie. I think mawangi (or whatever his name is) got
          so ticked off , he himself decided to sqeal on Dave and that's what we are
          dealing with right now. I don't think it's too late at all. I have already sent
          them an e-mail.
          The best thing ANYONE can do is simply IGNORE waldo's messages. They are so
          predictable and so lame.

          smile
          • nasza_maggie kylie 22.02.06, 01:23
            No Kylie, there is no point writing, that should have been the reaction months
            ago. Since there is now a vote, writing about any problems to the admin now, is
            pointless.

            But Dave has now reacted, posted the vote and all we have to do is wait for the
            outcome. No point making this all into 'masło maślane' smile
            • kylie1 Re: kylie 22.02.06, 01:39
              maggie, are you reading the posts here? You MIGHT NOT HAVE till Saturday to see
              the outcome of anything.
              Gazeta does not give a rat's behind about the vote.
              In any case, I sent them a little e-mail and it certainly can't hurt things.

              smile

              • nasza_maggie Re: kylie 22.02.06, 01:46
                kylie1 napisała:

                > maggie, are you reading the posts here? You MIGHT NOT HAVE till Saturday to
                see
                >
                > the outcome of anything.

                Excuse me. Hello! What is this silly scaremongering???




                > Gazeta does not give a rat's behind about the vote.

                Have you not read my posts?! Have I not said that the forum will not be closed?
                Hello? Earth to kylie?

                > In any case, I sent them a little e-mail and it certainly can't hurt things.
                >
                Can I make it ANY clearer??? No point in bothering the admins as there is a
                vote. And the vote is legitimate. Currently, there is nothing way out of line
                on this forum, for the admins to close it down. OK?
                There are forums which are far more radical, ludicrous and perculiar than this
                one. They are still going.

                As long as the personal attacks sease, the admins will not intervene.

                The more you start to attack the admins on this matter, the more pointless it
                is to have a vote.

                This is Daves forum and he wants a vote, we want one so lets do this by the
                book. IF the vote goes AWOL. If nothing changes. IF IF IF then you go to the
                admins.
                • kylie1 Re: kylie 22.02.06, 02:03
                  I don't really appreciate your tone.

                  >Please make a note of my other forum www.usenetposts.com/forum/ where we
                  >can find each other again if this one suddenly disappears before we are done
                  >voting.

                  After reading this, does it sound to you like it's a sure thing you and I are
                  gonna be here this Saturday?

                  > Can I make it ANY clearer???

                  I can read.

                  >the vote is legitimate.

                  They told you that?

                  >No point in bothering the admins

                  Who is talking about bothering anyone and if I want to send an email to anyone,
                  I don't really need your permission.

                  > The more you start to attack the admins

                  Where the heck did you get the idea I was attacking anyone?

                  >we want one so lets do this by the book.

                  Somehow I have this feeling it is not Gazeta's book.
                  • nasza_maggie Re: kylie 22.02.06, 02:05
                    Lesson 1 about the net - there is NO tone....

                    I don't see the point in arguing with you.
                    Goodnight.
                    • kylie1 Re: kylie 22.02.06, 02:13
                      nasza_maggie napisała:

                      > Lesson 1 about the net - there is NO tone....
                      >
                      > I don't see the point in arguing with you.
                      > Goodnight


                      For some reason I find you extremely unpleasant and ungrateful today.
                      Good night.
                      • chris-joe Re: kylie 22.02.06, 07:24
                        girrrls!!! smile))
                        • bartis_ervin Re: kylie 22.02.06, 08:38

                          I hope both of you had a good night sleep and things are sunniersmile
                          If I look outside it's horrrrrrible..

                          Ervin

                          Thebartiski.blogspot.com
                • firemouse Re: kylie is right 22.02.06, 09:40
                  If they decide to save some GBs on their hard drive we evaporate within miliseconds.

                  What is the big deal Maggie? Writing an e-mail never hurts. If you don't want to
                  do it, don't. I will.

                  FM
                  • nasza_maggie cc 22.02.06, 13:30
                    then CC it to David as he has the last word on whever this forum exists or not.

                    He has his own views on how moderating should look, and they may not
                    neccesarily comply with those of GW. There is nothing wrong with that. At the
                    end of the day, David has so many forums and emails that if he chooses to close
                    this forum because he doesn't agree with GW guidlines, I am sure we will all
                    find eachother smile)))

                    And there is nothing wrong with writing to the admins if the forum IS closed
                    but it's a bit posintless if they're not the ones who want to close it.
                    • kylie1 Re: cc 23.02.06, 06:16
                      > then CC it to David

                      All right, another unwanted advice from Maggie. It must be my lucky day!
                      Listen, lady, the way I manage my private mail is MY business. Do I tell YOU
                      how to manage yours?


                      >as he has the last word on whever this forum exists or not.

                      So what? Believe it or not, Maggie, I sent a letter of APPRECIATION To GW for
                      the way Dave has been running this forum and how much I personally enjoyed
                      being here. Give it a thought, lady. Not a bad idea. Showing some appraciation
                      and gratitude might be worthwhile instead of barking left right and center.




                      • nasza_maggie Re: cc 23.02.06, 12:55
                        erm.. calm down kylie.....
                        • kylie1 Re: cc 23.02.06, 20:33
                          what's "erm", Maggie?
                          I think it means "appreciation".
                          You are welcome, dear.
                          • nasza_maggie Re: cc 23.02.06, 20:36
                            if you say so...
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