portulaco 24.02.06, 09:52 I was reading the last 2 months topics here, actually a lot about politics, in the FLP forum and I read more than once references to "SLD Mafia Pruszkowska". Can somebody calmly explain what it means? Odpowiedz Link czytaj wygodnie posty
nasza_maggie Re: Some people don't understand what is going on 24.02.06, 09:56 Helou Portulaco! Welcome back)) How are you ?? Odpowiedz Link
waldek1610 Re: Some people don't understand what is going on 24.02.06, 10:43 The gentleman has asked you a simple question Maggie, why don't you answer it.. Maybe we can get a confession from you, that would be the first one. Something along lines; "I'm Maggie, and I do admit I belong to the SLD/Organized Crime cronies that preyied on Poland for since 1945, I deeply regreat that, please forgive me!" Can you say that, and get it over with, Maggie? By the way isn't it amaising how manny generation of hienas preyed on Poland and they never bother to admit their wrongdoing...I wouldn't expect it from new generation of rotten elites that continue to distroy Poland untill now. Odpowiedz Link
firemouse Re: Some people don't understand what is going on 24.02.06, 10:36 SLD Mafia pruszkowska is the name of organisation, where Maggie and Ianek held prominent positions, according to some posters here On the serious side, SLD is political party rooted in PRL's PZPR, Polish variant of communist party, which of course was so communist as I am Martian. It is claimed to be socialist one, but its economical program was more conservative than many political parties dubbed to be right wing by mainstream media. Well, I never forget them raising personal taxes in 1993, what excludes them forever from my voting sympathies apart from other issues. Mafia pruszkowska is/was an organised crime organisation, which is/was as organised as ZUS and more less the same criminal. It is named by the City of Pruszków where the bosses were supposed to live, which is of course not true because they lived in the surrounding. One of them was certain Mr. Pershing, shot in Zakopane in a parking lot of Hotel Kasprowy long time ago. The M.p. is now in disorder after one of the main figures there, certain Mr. Masa decided to join the Light Side and enjoyed the status of material witness. His depositions allowed courts to sentence the m.p. bosses for long-term imprisonment. As the nature tolerates no vacuum, other groups filled in the position of once almighty, number one of criminal Poland, group organised by some frustrated ex-pickpocketers. Now there are some rumours that m.p. was closely related to politicians, mainly from SLD, however this is IMO not true. Some SLD politicians had/has connections to some of criminal groups in the country certainly (see Starachowice case and infamous discharge of Mr. Sobótka), but not to m.p. because they lacked any power to corrupt prominent persons. Anyway, m.p. is yesterday's news but still a strong point of reference to some discussing criminal-related layers of Poland's life. So are the things. FM Odpowiedz Link
portulaco Re: Some people don't understand what is going on 24.02.06, 11:44 Thank you very much to all. I didn't know about that, honestly. I guess I can do a comparission to the left overs of Portuguese fascists. I will try to understand even better what hapenned. Like Sting says in his song... history will teach us nothing. P.S. I'm fine Nasza_Maggie, obrigado, and you? Odpowiedz Link
nasza_maggie Re: Some people don't understand what is going on 24.02.06, 19:18 Hello, I'm ok. The reason I didn't full anwser your question was because really, the things you are probably asking about are the troll messages So I didn't want to encourage that As you see we are having a second vote but apart from that all is well here. All is well with me, for now And spring is around the corner which makes me happy as long as it doesn't rain too much. Where have you been and was it nice??? Odpowiedz Link
portulaco Re: Some people don't understand what is going on 24.02.06, 21:22 Czesc! Appart from some "delegacja" in France and in China most part of time in my second homeland...Poland. Actually I didn´t want to encourage either any conflicts between you Poles I hope the FLiP forum will be most of all a place of good humour and interchange of opinions about many other subjects rather than politics or -if so- not that much. Actually only in 2014 I will be able to vote in Polish elections anyway (I think). If what some people say about a terrible global catastrophe caused by a meteoroid by the year 2012 than I will never vote anyway But as you know I'm quite prone to believe in conspiracy theories Odpowiedz Link
hardenfelt Re: Some people don't understand what is going on 25.02.06, 10:29 portulaco wrote: > Actually only in 2014 I will be able to vote in Polish elections anyway (I > think). Portulaco! – Being a EU citizen you will be able to vote in the coming local elections this year – in 2006 (unless Kaczka (the president) decides to appoint the local councils in order to save money just like he did in Warszawa). Next time you can vote will be in the elections to the European Parliament in around 4 years time. Odpowiedz Link
portulaco Re: Some people don't understand what is going on 25.02.06, 15:44 Dziekuje Hardenfelt! Nowadays I have the "Karta Pobyu Obywatela Unii Europejskiej" expiring in 2009-07-09 and I was told that because I can only have the permanent stay permit in 2014 (10 years period) I don't have right to vote here in Poland. Another curious matter is the driver´s licence. First I was told I couldn't drive in Poland since there is no agreement between Portugal and Poland, then I wrote to European Comission complaining and they answered that not only I have right to drive in Poland as also to have Polish "Prawo Jasdy" without any exame, plus... if needed I can have further support from EC to solve this problem. Answer in from the old lady with the glasses hanging in the nose looking to some To i Owo? "Prosze Pan! ) It's up to you if you wan't to drive with Portuguese driver´s licence or Polish one!" Ironic at least... the car I brought from Portugal was legalized in my name, insurance it's too in my name... European Union it's still far from perfection indeed, I wonder how it will lock like in May the 1st 2006, isn't it supposed for Poland to be member of Shengen Space finally??? Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: Some people don't understand what is going on 25.02.06, 15:55 Very good posts, in this thread. Odpowiedz Link
hardenfelt Re: Some people don't understand what is going on 26.02.06, 13:05 Well – Your experience just confirms my theory – never trust a Polish urzędnik. Take care always to get identical information from at least two independent sources before you count on something. And the best is to check it yourself afterwards. There are of course helpful, efficient and trustworthy officials, but based on my experience they are a minority. Your Karta Pobytu Obywatela Unii Europejskiej is the highest possible acknowledgment you can get in Poland. With this card you have almost the same rights as a native Pole (there are certain transition rules though). You will not need a Karta Stałego Pobytu and you will never get one. Among other things you can vote in the local elections though it will be necessary to register in the electoral register. More about this when election time approaches. Driving licenses from other EU countries are valid in Poland until 6 months after you receive your residence card: www.powiat.cieszyn.pl/pp/wydzialy/wk/wkp/4/WKP_04.htm These rules are almost identical in all EU countries, trough I believe you can drive longer in the UK without exchanging your drivers license to a national one. I don’t know the consequences of not exchanging your Portuguese drivers license but if you have an accident I’m petty sure you will face some problems. Polish drivers licenses have the holders address printed on the permit and unless the rules changed lately you should change your drivers license every time you move to a new address. Also remember that your Karta Pobytu Obywatela Unii Europejskiej gives you the right to register a permanent address in the local registration office. In general the people employed in these registration offices will do everything possible to avoid registering people or try to register a temporary address. It’s a reminiscence from communist times where the registration gave you the right to live where you were registered. Most Poles (including the ones there work at the registration offices) still believe that “stałe meldunek” entitles them to some rights but it is not so any more. All you need to register is your residence card and a rental contract (or some other document indication that you live where you live). They have no right to demand the owner’s signature on the registration form, though they still frequently do so. Odpowiedz Link