Fun with religious discrimination, again

09.03.06, 10:52
"Atheist wins discrimination case.
A teacher who lost out on promotion at a Roman Catholic school because he was
an atheist has won his claim for religious discrimination."
www.theherald.co.uk/news/57728.html
In 21st century Scotland, state schools are still segregated according to
religion. There are "denominational" schools (mainly RC) and "non-
denominational" schools, which Protestants like to call "Protestant" schools,
since the sporadic spiritual brainwashing is usually of a presbyterian nature.
Parents can choose where they send their children. Non-Catholics can't be
head teachers or religious education teachers in Catholic schools, which
seems reasonable.

Quiz!
There was an incident this year when a group of pupils walked out of a school
religious ceremony in protest. The local councillor explained that the
protest was not a religious one.
What denomination was the school? (for 1 point)
What religion were the pupils who walked out? (1 point)
What religion was the councillor and what political party did he represent?
(4 points)
What was the protest about? (4 points)
    • usenetposts Re: Fun with religious discrimination, again 09.03.06, 11:34
      Ian wrote

      > Quiz!
      > There was an incident this year when a group of pupils walked out of a school
      > religious ceremony in protest. The local councillor explained that the
      > protest was not a religious one.
      > What denomination was the school? (for 1 point)

      RC

      > What religion were the pupils who walked out? (1 point)

      Muslims

      > What religion was the councillor and what political party did he represent?
      > (4 points)

      Muslim, Labour

      > What was the protest about? (4 points)

      Whether the children should remain in the school during the celebration of mass.

      One seriously wonders, since they object to mass, why they ever sent their
      children to a Catholic school in the first place, but then Muslims are too
      ignorant and lazy to organise their own school, and only want to cream off
      others' work.

      And Brian Fitzpatrick, the chairman of the parish council, said it best: "It
      doesn't matter if you are Catholic, Jewish or Hindu, you do not go into a place
      of worship and disrupt it. You don't use children as a political stunt." Aha,
      Brian, Catholics, Jews and Hindus don't do that. You are absolutely right.

      Unfortunately, Muslims think about that differently, as they do about most
      thinks.

      I may not win GBP 5, but I never miss a chance to get on my soap box!!!
      • ianek70 5 points 09.03.06, 11:59
        Could do better.
        • usenetposts Re: 5 points 09.03.06, 12:53
          I should have had ten, if we were thinking about the same incident?

          Was the councillor in your case called Councillor Ahmed?
          • ms.jones Re: 5 points 09.03.06, 21:14

            The councillor represented the Scottish National Party.
            The rest of the answers are the same as Dave's. How many points do I get?
            • ianek70 7 points 10.03.06, 09:40
              ms.jones napisała:

              >
              > The councillor represented the Scottish National Party.
              > The rest of the answers are the same as Dave's. How many points do I get?

              7 points, Dave lost a point for waffling.

              St Albert's is a Catholic school, however Helen McShane claims her five
              grandchildren make up "around 25%" of the Catholic children (Helen is 41).
              The original reason for the protests was that, although attendance at mass is
              not compulsory, there is nothing else for them to do, and nobody to supervise
              non-attenders during that time.
              Most of the parents are happy with the school's educational standards, most
              accept its Catholic nature.

              news.scotsman.com/features.cfm?id=88252006
              As the story has developed, partly fuelled by tabloid newspaper reports, a
              variety of opinions have been expressed, including talk of establishing a
              Muslim school.
              However:
              "Glasgow City Council is not opposed to Muslim schools in principle, but we do
              not have any plans to establish one."
              Because:
              "There is no clear evidence of a consensus in favour of such a development from
              within the diverse Muslim community itself, nor from across the wider
              community."
              Councillor Ahmad is a member of the Scottish National Party, the local MP, also
              a Muslim, is from the Labour party.
              Osama Saeed reports the story as being mainly political in nature (rather than
              about religion or underfunding of schools):
              www.osamasaeed.org/osama/2006/02/protest_outside.org
              Saeed, an accountant and Rangers fan, advocates the conversion of another
              Catholic school (which has hardly any pupils) into a Muslim one.
              Most people who have gone through the Scottish schools system and seen the harm
              done by the artificial religious division already in place would find it hard
              to accept a new, real division.
              I didn't have any Catholic friends until I was 16, even though every third
              person in Paisley is a "left-footer".

              In Scotland as a whole, there are fewer Muslims than heroin users, and less
              than half as many Catholics (17% of the population) as atheists.
              So why have religious schools at all?
              • ianek70 Re:2nd link again 10.03.06, 09:44
                I think that should have been:

                www.osamasaeed.org/osama/muslim_schools/index.html
                • varsovian Re:2nd link again 10.03.06, 10:49
                  I went to a United Reform school in West Yorkshire.
                  There we had boys from around the world, sampling the delights of an English
                  boarding school. OK, we had chapel 6 days a week to which all were encouraged
                  to come - as it was an integral part of school life and an excellent window
                  into a certain English Christian world view. However, as we had non-Christians
                  there, their parents had to actively state their position on attendance. Only
                  one boy I remember - a Liybyan Muslim - did not attend, and he had to read the
                  Koran in his form room during assembly.
                  Essentially, no problems arose because:
                  (i) the school was sensitive to non-Christians
                  (ii) everything was sorted out in advance, so there was no room for
                  misunderstandings
                  (iii) the parents were, by and large, a cultured bunch
                  • usenetposts Re:2nd link again 11.03.06, 13:57
                    varsovian napisał:

                    > I went to a United Reform school in West Yorkshire.
                    > There we had boys from around the world, sampling the delights of an English
                    > boarding school. OK, we had chapel 6 days a week to which all were encouraged
                    > to come - as it was an integral part of school life and an excellent window
                    > into a certain English Christian world view. However, as we had non-
                    Christians
                    > there, their parents had to actively state their position on attendance. Only
                    > one boy I remember - a Liybyan Muslim - did not attend, and he had to read
                    the
                    > Koran in his form room during assembly.
                    > Essentially, no problems arose because:
                    > (i) the school was sensitive to non-Christians
                    > (ii) everything was sorted out in advance, so there was no room for
                    > misunderstandings
                    > (iii) the parents were, by and large, a cultured bunch

                    and last, but by no means least:
                    iv) like you say, there was only one Islamic boy, but even on his own, he
                    managed to kick up a fuss and have "ein Extrawurst gebraten" as the Germans so
                    charmingly put it.

                    Turn that 1 boy into 20-30% of pupils, and no amount of sensitivity and culture
                    will help you, because the Muzzles just see it as weakness and laugh up their
                    copious cotton sleeves at it.
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