bartis_ervin 09.03.06, 19:39 My Berlusconi "loving" friends shared gave me this link. Since quite many speak Italian here, I will post the link: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-926629105834987595 Ervin Thebartiski.blogspot.com Odpowiedz Link czytaj wygodnie posty
varsovian Re: Berlusconi in the EP 10.03.06, 14:18 I think he is such a lovable crook. Tessa Jowell, reportedly, would prefer to knee him in the wotsits. Odpowiedz Link
bartis_ervin Re: Berlusconi in the EP 10.03.06, 20:47 Looks like the "Jesus Christ of Italian politics", the famous abstinent is getting indicted. Hmmmm, at least he has a busy life. Ervin Thebartiski.blogspot.com Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: Berlusconi in the EP 11.03.06, 13:28 bartis_ervin napisał: > > My Berlusconi "loving" friends shared gave me this link. > Since quite many speak Italian here, I will post the link: > video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-926629105834987595 > Ervin Heh heh. Very interesting material. I never saw the raw footage before. I particularly liked the sarcastic edits of godfather soundtrack music in the background as Burly was giving it the works,and the cut to Mussolini, of course... Nevertheless, I found Schulz to be such an utter prig, ranting on in his German style, and lecturing a democratically elected president how to do his job, that I couldn't find in it my heart to blame Burly for wanting to take him down a peg or two. Odpowiedz Link
bartis_ervin Re: Berlusconi in the EP 11.03.06, 16:20 "lecturing a democratically elected president how to do his job" Burly (I like this) is the Prime Minister. He is not democratically elected, people vote for the party not for Berlusconi. Or who knows...? Ciampi is the Italian President. Ervin Thebartiski.blogspot.com Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: Berlusconi in the EP 11.03.06, 22:05 OK. I didn't know that, I assumed he was the president, since you hear more of him than anyone else from the tribe of It. But if you say that a prime minister is not democratically elected if you vote for the party, then you could say the same about Tony Blair. Odpowiedz Link
bartis_ervin Re: Berlusconi in the EP 12.03.06, 00:35 I don't know much about the British system, so I cannot say about Blair. In Italy there is parliamentary democracy: the citizens elect only the Parliament and the Parliament names the President. The Prime Minister is not directly elected, it will be nominated by the party/coalition who got majority in the Parliament. So, technically speaking Berlusconi was not elected by the Italian citizens. Ervin Thebartiski.blogspot.com Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: Berlusconi in the EP 12.03.06, 03:51 > In Italy there is parliamentary democracy: the citizens elect only the > Parliament and the Parliament names the President. The Prime Minister is not > directly elected, it will be nominated by the party/coalition who got majority > in the Parliament. So, technically speaking Berlusconi was not elected by the > Italian citizens. But the prime minister is a 'prime minister delegate' during the elections - the Italian people know now that Prodi or Berlusconi will be the next prime minister. Since 1994, when Berlusconi started in politics, his party, Forza Italia, has been Berlusconi. The Italian people voted for him in the last elections, much more than a party. Interestingly, the prime minister before him was not elected, in the sense he was a 'technocrat', not a member of the Italian parliament. Such is the Italian system. Odpowiedz Link
bartis_ervin Re: Berlusconi in the EP 12.03.06, 20:02 > But the prime minister is a 'prime minister delegate' during the elections - the > Italian people know now that Prodi or Berlusconi will be the next prime minister. Yes, of course the parties have Prime Minister nominees, but when Giovanni goes to the box, he does not tick Berlusconi or Prodi. This means that the Prime Minister is not directly elected. In Parliamentary democracy you elect only the Parliament. Ervin Thebartiski.blogspot.com Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: Berlusconi in the EP 12.03.06, 21:14 > Yes, of course the parties have Prime Minister nominees, but when Giovanni goes > to the box, he does not tick Berlusconi or Prodi. This means that the Prime > Minister is not directly elected. > In Parliamentary democracy you elect only the Parliament. The point I was making was that Berlusconi was the party. Without him, there would have been no Forza Italia. The reality as well, is that in most democracies, many (maybe even the majority) could not tell you what the current policies are of the parties that they are voting for. Such is parliamenary democracy. Odpowiedz Link
bartis_ervin Re: Berlusconi in the EP 12.03.06, 23:01 > The reality as well, is that in most democracies, many (maybe even the majority > ) > could not tell you what the current policies are of the parties that they are > voting for. Such is parliamenary democracy. Yes, I agree. However, when mentioning the parliamentary democracy as opposite to presidential or semi-presidential system, my whole point was to say that the prime minister in Italy does not get directly elected. Ervin Thebartiski.blogspot.com Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: Berlusconi in the EP 13.03.06, 01:02 bartis_ervin napisał: > > The reality as well, is that in most democracies, many (maybe even the ma > jority > > ) > > could not tell you what the current policies are of the parties that they > are > > voting for. Such is parliamenary democracy. > > Yes, I agree. However, when mentioning the parliamentary democracy as opposite > to presidential or semi-presidential system, my whole point was to say that the > prime minister in Italy does not get directly elected. > Well, be that as it may, I still think that that Schulz character was totally obnoxious. As if he is going to have a rant like that at the head of state in Italy, where is his commentary right now when there is a real dictator in Europe playing all the games he can to stay in power? I don't hear much commentary from the silly prig on that matter. And I don't think the Germans should be lecturing anyone about immigration policy; to this day they do not recognise dual nationality, and what is that but a left-over remnant of the master-race mentality? Neither have they opened their labour markets to their neighbours, but are doing all they can to undermine Poland's resources and energy bargaining power as well as ruin the Baltic sea bed. Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: Berlusconi in the EP 13.03.06, 06:47 'Well, be that as it may, I still think that that Schulz character was totally obnoxious. As if he is going to have a rant like that at the head of state in Italy, where is his commentary right now when there is a real dictator in Europe playing all the games he can to stay in power? I don't hear much commentary from the silly prig on that matter. And I don't think the Germans should be lecturing anyone about immigration policy; to this day they do not recognise dual nationality, and what is that but a left-over remnant of the master-race mentality? Neither have they opened their labour markets to their neighbours, but are doing all they can to undermine Poland's resources and energy bargaining power as well as ruin the Baltic sea bed.' A leopard never changes all of its spots. And remember, you were praising Merkel a few weeks ago, but has she opened up the doors? BTW, I agree with you about Shultz. Odpowiedz Link
bartis_ervin Re: Berlusconi in the EP 13.03.06, 11:07 > And I don't think the Germans should be lecturing anyone about immigration > policy; I think that Schulz is Austrian, but I might be wrong. In fact, Austria could lecture all EU states on immigration. The refugee recognition rate for Austria in 2005 is close to 50%, while UK has around 3-4%, Poland 4% and so on. Ervin Thebartiski.blogspot.com Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: Berlusconi in the EP 13.03.06, 12:04 Ervin wrote: > I think that Schulz is Austrian, but I might be wrong. He speaks Northrhein-Westfalian - but south of the Ruhrgebiet. That would be an odd accent for an Austrian to have. > In fact, Austria could lecture all EU states on immigration. The refugee > recognition rate for Austria in 2005 is close to 50%, while UK has around 3- 4%, > Poland 4% and so on. Whether we grant the status or not is one thing, but certainly we have a bigger immigration statistic than Austria. Nevertheless, we can see from this article en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Austria that they are not exactly at the bottom of the league table when it comes to immigration, and that they have 4.2% Moslem population. Sobieski wept. Odpowiedz Link