Milosevic

12.03.06, 20:30

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4798702.stm
If he really died of poisoning, all UN tribunals will loose the not-so-big
prestige they had. It is a pity.

Ervin

Thebartiski.blogspot.com
    • usenetposts Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 00:52
      What remains is this - we made a villain out of the wrong guy, and Carla del
      Ponte is a jolly scary lady, although she looks like she wasn't always.
      • russh Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 06:40
        > What remains is this - we made a villain out of the wrong guy

        ??
        • hardenfelt Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 07:31
          russh wrote:

          > > What remains is this - we made a villain out of the wrong guy
          >
          > ??


          Milosevic killed Muslims. Whatever he did besides from this God will forgive
          him because he fought for Christianity!
          • russh Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 10:56
            Ah! I'm getting slow on the uptake in my old age.

            Or maybe I just cannot understand. I'm very much anti Muslim fundamantalist (and
            most other religious fundamentalists, although in their modern form they tend
            not to be very dangerous), and do not see that they can the Muslims (as a group
            of people) can or do effectively integrate into their adoptive countries. I
            therefore have a lot of sympathy for Dave's 'anti' feelings.

            I do not see either (and the more I think of it the more I'm convinced) that we
            can rage a physical war against more than a billion people spread all over the
            world, many of whom are prepared to commit suicide for their crazy beliefs -
            it's an impossible war.

            We must try and convince these people by logic and reasoning - not the
            fundamentalists (it's impossible I believe), but the main stream, who I hope are
            more open to reason - that the only outcome of what is happening is destruction
            on a large scale, not only of their enemy's world, but also their own (which in
            theory at least, in many instances is a common world).

            • bartis_ervin Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 11:03
              "do not see that they can the Muslims (as a group of people) can or do
              effectively integrate into their adoptive countries"

              Well, I don't see Bosnia, Albania or for that matter Kosovo (where the majority
              is Kosovar Albanian) as adoptive countries.

              Ervin

              Thebartiski.blogspot.com
              • usenetposts Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 12:35
                Kosovo is not a country.

                They can't just decide that where they manage by their different demographics
                to achieve a majority suddenly becomes a "country", otherwise places like
                pasrts of inners cities, or the whole of Oldham, Leicester etc, suddenly become
                little countries, and the map of the world suddenly transforms into a giant
                Risk (tm) board.

                It's time we had a workable definition of what a country is. I might offer a
                small scholarship for some respected academic who would like to work on that
                and come up with a sensible, practical solution that the UN could run with.
                • bartis_ervin Re: Milosevic 15.03.06, 15:29
                  > It's time we had a workable definition of what a country is. I might offer a
                  > small scholarship for some respected academic who would like to work on that
                  > and come up with a sensible, practical solution that the UN could run with.

                  Waldek used to call me "Romanian professor, scholar" so I might be interested in
                  this grant!

                  Ervin

                  Thebartiski.blogspot.com
              • russh Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 14:30
                'and do not see that they can the Muslims (as a group
                of people) can or do effectively integrate into their adoptive countries. I
                therefore have a lot of sympathy for Dave's 'anti' feelings.'

                This should have read:

                'And do not see that the Muslims (as a group of people) can or do integrate into
                their adoptive countries'

                I was talking more generally in response to Dave's previous post, not about the
                Balkan countries in particular.
                • bart_canada Jesus, dude... 20.03.06, 19:37
                  and you criticized _my_ English? Next time do not throw stones cause, damn...

                  But apart from the above, I tend to agree with what you wrote. It is obvious
                  that Europe failed and the problem is likely to grow in future. Mainstream
                  Muslims are probably way to go but the issue is that most of them ended up in
                  NA, having money and education to be accepted there. Muslim population in ME is
                  almsot completely controlled by corrupt regimes. Where do we go from here then?
                  • russh Re: Jesus, dude... 21.03.06, 00:33
                    Were you relying to me? Who critised your English?
                    • bart_canada Re: Jesus, dude... 21.03.06, 00:43
                      yep, a couple of weeks ago, when I pointed out this Polish guy's mistakes (in a
                      friendly manner). Regardless, let's not dwell on it.
                  • russh Re: Jesus, dude... 21.03.06, 01:10
                    > But apart from the above, I tend to agree with what you wrote. It is obvious
                    > that Europe failed and the problem is likely to grow in future. Mainstream
                    > Muslims are probably way to go but the issue is that most of them ended up in
                    > NA, having money and education to be accepted there. Muslim population in ME is
                    >
                    > almsot completely controlled by corrupt regimes. Where do we go from here then?

                    No idea re NA, but in Europe it's a serious problem, and I really do not know
                    the answer (I don't think anybody has).

                    I believe the 1st step would be for the non-fundamentalists to seriously turn
                    against the fundamentalists, thereby showing an allegiance to their adoptive
                    countries. If they can, then it would be the turning point in the battle. If
                    they cannot, then they should not be in their adoptive countries. It would also
                    help their adoptive countries to decide once and for all what to do with their
                    Muslim minorities.

                    It would also assist if western politicians pursued a single policy for
                    countering the problem, and that the policy was not oil-based.
        • usenetposts Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 10:45
          russh napisał:

          > > What remains is this - we made a villain out of the wrong guy
          >
          > ??

          Only after defeating the Serbs did we discover it was the Kosovars who were th
          bigger trouble makers.

          But they didn't have a leader that couldbe turned into a bogeyman by the media,
          thus lending support for a war our involvement in which was only intended to do
          two things:

          1) test the stealth fighter technology and
          2) find out how far Putin would go to defend the outer perimeters of his sphere
          of influence.


          In the first matter, the Serbs shot down a "stealth" and Milosevic took the
          secret material that the fusillage is made from immediately to Moscow. Mainly
          for that act, the West decided they wanted his hide.

          In the second, the West discovered that the Russian contingent of peacekeepers
          arrived in Yugoslav territory before they did, claimed the best camps and
          landing strips, and went on to have a pleasant military holiday with their
          Serbian friends while everyone else was slogging it.
          • bartis_ervin Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 10:58

            Any thoughts on Srebrenica, Tuzla, Bihac, Zepa?
            Was it rightous self-defense of Serbs to run down a UN safe-haven and kill all
            boys and men?

            Ervin

            Thebartiski.blogspot.com
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