bartis_ervin 12.03.06, 20:30 news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4798702.stm If he really died of poisoning, all UN tribunals will loose the not-so-big prestige they had. It is a pity. Ervin Thebartiski.blogspot.com Odpowiedz Link czytaj wygodnie posty
usenetposts Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 00:52 What remains is this - we made a villain out of the wrong guy, and Carla del Ponte is a jolly scary lady, although she looks like she wasn't always. Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 06:40 > What remains is this - we made a villain out of the wrong guy ?? Odpowiedz Link
hardenfelt Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 07:31 russh wrote: > > What remains is this - we made a villain out of the wrong guy > > ?? Milosevic killed Muslims. Whatever he did besides from this God will forgive him because he fought for Christianity! Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 10:56 Ah! I'm getting slow on the uptake in my old age. Or maybe I just cannot understand. I'm very much anti Muslim fundamantalist (and most other religious fundamentalists, although in their modern form they tend not to be very dangerous), and do not see that they can the Muslims (as a group of people) can or do effectively integrate into their adoptive countries. I therefore have a lot of sympathy for Dave's 'anti' feelings. I do not see either (and the more I think of it the more I'm convinced) that we can rage a physical war against more than a billion people spread all over the world, many of whom are prepared to commit suicide for their crazy beliefs - it's an impossible war. We must try and convince these people by logic and reasoning - not the fundamentalists (it's impossible I believe), but the main stream, who I hope are more open to reason - that the only outcome of what is happening is destruction on a large scale, not only of their enemy's world, but also their own (which in theory at least, in many instances is a common world). Odpowiedz Link
bartis_ervin Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 11:03 "do not see that they can the Muslims (as a group of people) can or do effectively integrate into their adoptive countries" Well, I don't see Bosnia, Albania or for that matter Kosovo (where the majority is Kosovar Albanian) as adoptive countries. Ervin Thebartiski.blogspot.com Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 12:35 Kosovo is not a country. They can't just decide that where they manage by their different demographics to achieve a majority suddenly becomes a "country", otherwise places like pasrts of inners cities, or the whole of Oldham, Leicester etc, suddenly become little countries, and the map of the world suddenly transforms into a giant Risk (tm) board. It's time we had a workable definition of what a country is. I might offer a small scholarship for some respected academic who would like to work on that and come up with a sensible, practical solution that the UN could run with. Odpowiedz Link
bartis_ervin Re: Milosevic 15.03.06, 15:29 > It's time we had a workable definition of what a country is. I might offer a > small scholarship for some respected academic who would like to work on that > and come up with a sensible, practical solution that the UN could run with. Waldek used to call me "Romanian professor, scholar" so I might be interested in this grant! Ervin Thebartiski.blogspot.com Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 14:30 'and do not see that they can the Muslims (as a group of people) can or do effectively integrate into their adoptive countries. I therefore have a lot of sympathy for Dave's 'anti' feelings.' This should have read: 'And do not see that the Muslims (as a group of people) can or do integrate into their adoptive countries' I was talking more generally in response to Dave's previous post, not about the Balkan countries in particular. Odpowiedz Link
bart_canada Jesus, dude... 20.03.06, 19:37 and you criticized _my_ English? Next time do not throw stones cause, damn... But apart from the above, I tend to agree with what you wrote. It is obvious that Europe failed and the problem is likely to grow in future. Mainstream Muslims are probably way to go but the issue is that most of them ended up in NA, having money and education to be accepted there. Muslim population in ME is almsot completely controlled by corrupt regimes. Where do we go from here then? Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: Jesus, dude... 21.03.06, 00:33 Were you relying to me? Who critised your English? Odpowiedz Link
bart_canada Re: Jesus, dude... 21.03.06, 00:43 yep, a couple of weeks ago, when I pointed out this Polish guy's mistakes (in a friendly manner). Regardless, let's not dwell on it. Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: Jesus, dude... 21.03.06, 01:10 > But apart from the above, I tend to agree with what you wrote. It is obvious > that Europe failed and the problem is likely to grow in future. Mainstream > Muslims are probably way to go but the issue is that most of them ended up in > NA, having money and education to be accepted there. Muslim population in ME is > > almsot completely controlled by corrupt regimes. Where do we go from here then? No idea re NA, but in Europe it's a serious problem, and I really do not know the answer (I don't think anybody has). I believe the 1st step would be for the non-fundamentalists to seriously turn against the fundamentalists, thereby showing an allegiance to their adoptive countries. If they can, then it would be the turning point in the battle. If they cannot, then they should not be in their adoptive countries. It would also help their adoptive countries to decide once and for all what to do with their Muslim minorities. It would also assist if western politicians pursued a single policy for countering the problem, and that the policy was not oil-based. Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 10:45 russh napisał: > > What remains is this - we made a villain out of the wrong guy > > ?? Only after defeating the Serbs did we discover it was the Kosovars who were th bigger trouble makers. But they didn't have a leader that couldbe turned into a bogeyman by the media, thus lending support for a war our involvement in which was only intended to do two things: 1) test the stealth fighter technology and 2) find out how far Putin would go to defend the outer perimeters of his sphere of influence. In the first matter, the Serbs shot down a "stealth" and Milosevic took the secret material that the fusillage is made from immediately to Moscow. Mainly for that act, the West decided they wanted his hide. In the second, the West discovered that the Russian contingent of peacekeepers arrived in Yugoslav territory before they did, claimed the best camps and landing strips, and went on to have a pleasant military holiday with their Serbian friends while everyone else was slogging it. Odpowiedz Link
bartis_ervin Re: Milosevic 13.03.06, 10:58 Any thoughts on Srebrenica, Tuzla, Bihac, Zepa? Was it rightous self-defense of Serbs to run down a UN safe-haven and kill all boys and men? Ervin Thebartiski.blogspot.com Odpowiedz Link