russh 22.03.06, 16:22 uk.news.yahoo.com/22032006/140/muslim-girl-loses-school-uniform-row.html Odpowiedz Link czytaj wygodnie posty
varsovian Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 22.03.06, 16:29 I must admit I had to laugh about this one - she was happily letting herself be used by extremists. As her school bent over backwards to accommodate her wishes, she made them more and more extreme. Silly, sad dangerous trout. Odpowiedz Link
nasza_maggie Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 22.03.06, 16:42 Here we go. This is going to set off a more agressive approach.. Odpowiedz Link
nasza_maggie Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 22.03.06, 16:51 both. Any excuse, as far as I'm concerned. Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 22.03.06, 17:00 If it's a tougher line against non-integration (i.e. by the British authorities on behalf of the British people), then I believe it's about time. For too long now the minority groups, especially the Muslims, have been nibbling away at the very fabric of the British society, against the majority interest and will. If it is a tougher line by the Muslims, then they know where they can go! Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 22.03.06, 17:16 To an Islamic country (Iranistan). Odpowiedz Link
nasza_maggie Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 22.03.06, 17:19 You mean Persia? Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 22.03.06, 17:59 Now you can educate me. Was Persia more than Iran (I remember the Shah of Persia, before being the Shah of Iran)? Excuse my geographical ignorance, and lack of will to google search. Odpowiedz Link
nasza_maggie Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 22.03.06, 23:56 Ha, it's not about me educating you I get a little confused with the Middle Eastern geography too, that's why I was asking Odpowiedz Link
bartis_ervin Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 23.03.06, 08:48 "If it's a tougher line against non-integration (...)" I fail to see how wearing a jilbab has to do with integration. Integration mostly has to do with education, speaking the language of the host country, employment, accomodation, health care etc. Probably UK has also an integration program for foreigners (especially for refugees) and I am sure that they do not define integration as "not wearing jilbab". This is simply blown out of proportion, designed for people with ismlamophobia. Every 8 seconds a child dies because of contaminated water and waterborn illnesses. Let's tackle that instead of discovering new problems between Muslims and Christians. Ervin Thebartiski.blogspot.com Odpowiedz Link
russh Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 23.03.06, 09:02 Ervin, it's not a new problem, and yes, it's being blown out of proportion - by the Muslim people in Europe. Integration is about many things, not only about language and the other things you talk about. It's about behaving in a way that is acceptable to your host country. We can talk as well about the death of children every 8 seconds, but again, it is one of many problems facing us. Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 23.03.06, 12:50 bartis_ervin napisał: > > "If it's a tougher line against non-integration (...)" > I fail to see how wearing a jilbab has to do with integration. Integration > mostly has to do with education, speaking the language of the host country, > employment, accomodation, health care etc. > > Probably UK has also an integration program for foreigners (especially for > refugees) and I am sure that they do not define integration as "not wearing > jilbab". This is simply blown out of proportion, designed for people with > ismlamophobia. > > Every 8 seconds a child dies because of contaminated water and waterborn > illnesses. Let's tackle that instead of discovering new problems between Muslim > s > and Christians. > > Ervin > > Thebartiski.blogspot.com At the moment we don't have waterborn illnesses in the UK, but we have the opposite. We have allowed Islamic people to get their way so much in our country that in the end god is even giving us their climate. This year the hosepipe ban in Southern England will be extended even to parks and filling of swimming pools, because of the unprecedented drought. It's almost like God is saying "Want to live like Europeans? Behave like Europeans. Want to behave like desert camelhopping towelheads? The climate for that can be arranged too." Of course, it could be coincidence, but I don't think so somehow. Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 23.03.06, 12:45 russh napisał: > If it's a tougher line against non-integration (i.e. by the British authorities > on behalf of the British people), then I believe it's about time. For too long > now the minority groups, especially the Muslims, have been nibbling away at the > very fabric of the British society, against the majority interest and will. > > If it is a tougher line by the Muslims, then they know where they can go! > 100% Odpowiedz Link
bartis_ervin Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 23.03.06, 08:38 "The school, where four-fifths of the students are Muslim, had argued that the jilbab posed a health and safety risk." Health risk? Let's be serious.. Ervin Thebartiski.blogspot.com Odpowiedz Link
varsovian Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 23.03.06, 12:15 In the same way that dangly earrings are not allowed. Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Religion and uniform 23.03.06, 12:23 Since we've returned to the thorny topics of religion and uniforms, can I give the link to that nun again? images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/6094.jpg Odpowiedz Link
varsovian Re: Religion and uniform 23.03.06, 12:29 She looks like a younger version of Mrs Thatcher! Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: Religion and uniform 23.03.06, 12:47 varsovian napisał: > She looks like a younger version of Mrs Thatcher! Not true, she's sweet. Unlike this naughty one: www.weirdspot.com/images/upload/nun.jpg Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: Religion and uniform, link 23.03.06, 12:49 > varsovian napisał: > > > She looks like a younger version of Mrs Thatcher! > > Not true, she's sweet. > Unlike this naughty one: www.weirdspot.com/images/uploads/nun.jpg Odpowiedz Link
bartis_ervin Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 23.03.06, 15:15 Just out of curiosity: is yarmulke allowed? Ervin Thebartiski.blogspot.com Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 23.03.06, 15:17 I never saw a yarmulka cover up someone's entire face. It's almost the smallest head covering you can get. Odpowiedz Link
bartis_ervin Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 24.03.06, 12:51 The point is that it is showing your religious belief. If the Muslim veils are forbidden, on the same rationale the yarmulka should be also banned. And then, in fact, anybody wearing a cross should not enter the school either. Ervin Thebartiski.blogspot.com Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 24.03.06, 13:27 bartis_ervin napisał: > > The point is that it is showing your religious belief. > If the Muslim veils are forbidden, on the same rationale the yarmulka should be > also banned. And then, in fact, anybody wearing a cross should not enter the > school either. > > Ervin It is not a matter of showing beliefs or not showing beliefs, as even the lack of any adherence to a given religious system is also a statement of belief. It is about moderation. Unfortunately Muslim extremists have no concept of moderation, so whereas one person might say "I will have a small, tasteful badge", these people have got to stick their females in a bag from head to toe the minute they go a-monthing. FYI, there is no Biblical requirement to use outward symbols. It says "the fruits of the spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, temperance" etc, and it doesn't say have a hat on your head or a necklace around your neck, or whatever. These are outward symbols, and you can be sure the more a people externalises their religion, the less internal it is. Odpowiedz Link
ianek70 Re: A victory for common sense (at last) 24.03.06, 13:34 bartis_ervin napisał: > > The point is that it is showing your religious belief. > If the Muslim veils are forbidden, on the same rationale the yarmulka should be > also banned. And then, in fact, anybody wearing a cross should not enter the > school either. I agree with the idea of neutrality - your religion is your private matter, but in school everyone's equal. The problem is that there are so many grey areas. A little symbol is OK, or one that isn't meant to be seen (eg a small crucifix on a chain), but not a big one. But the point has been made before - how do you distinguish a religious head covering from a cultural one or a fashionable one? And how big is a big cross? Should pentagrams and inverted crosses be allowed, and if so, only for pseudo- Satanist metal fans (fashion statement) and not for genuine worshippers of Beelzebub (religious statement)? Should Jewish boys be forced to keep their pants on in the showers after PE? Either there is freedom of dress, where everyone can wear what they want but have to understand that others will also wear what they want (so any compromise as to what is offensive should be voluntary, people will eventually realise what is acceptable for others) or you have uniforms which everyone wears. The school itself (in consultation with the parents) decides on the uniform, and it's up to the common sense of the school staff to decide how much variation is acceptable. Odpowiedz Link