Fwdg: British Chamber seminar on using UK Co. form

29.03.06, 13:22
Dear Member,

The following invitation is passed to you at the request of our member
Richardson Rios Olechowski.

Kind Regards,
BPCC Executive Team

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Richardson Rios Olechowski and Jordans Limited

present

The UK Company in Poland



The Advantages of using a UK Company for trading in Poland.

Find out how a UK (English) Company may help you to:

· avoid the costs, delay and bureaucracy of Polish company formation
· benefit from limited liability protection
· effect changes to the companys constitution electronically without
cost
· avoid paying a statutory minimum share capital
· trade tax efficiently inside and outside Poland

Venue:
Wednesday 26th April
Sheraton Hotel and Towers, Warsaw
9.15 a.m. to 1.00 p.m.

Speakers:
Nicholas Richardson, Partner, Richardson Rios Olechowski
Martin Palmer, Director, Jordans Limited

Fee:
PLN 250 (plus VAT) to include refreshments and buffet lunch

Book Now:
anna.stepniewska@rrolegal.com

Learn
More: www.rrolegal.com/pdf/Warsaw%20seminar%20brochure%2026Apr.pdf
    • marimax Re: Fwdg: British Chamber seminar on using UK Co. 29.03.06, 13:38
      Perhaps you could teach first, thousands of polish people living and working in
      the UK how to avoid british bureaucracy ???
      Teach them how to get a NIN or how to open a bank account.
      Both tasks almost impossible to achieve in your perfect country
      • usenetposts Re: Fwdg: British Chamber seminar on using UK Co. 29.03.06, 13:56
        marimax napisał:

        > Perhaps you could teach first, thousands of polish people living and working
        in
        >
        > the UK how to avoid british bureaucracy ???
        > Teach them how to get a NIN or how to open a bank account.
        > Both tasks almost impossible to achieve in your perfect country


        I didn't make this seminar, I only forwarded it, as I forward all the stuff
        that comes my way that might interest people in here.

        In this case, I don't personally recommend the course of action in this
        seminar. FWIW.

        I can see how some things would be made easier by having a UK co. instead of a
        Polish one to do business here, but anyone who has experience of Polish
        officialdom will know that when you go off the beaten track then everything you
        do is tougher after that.

        Do they think they will avoid falling under the VAT rules or the CIT permanent
        establishment rules by doing a Ltd Co method, and this not need to open a VAT
        or CIT position in this country, not have a bank account and not run monthly
        financial statements?

        In most cases, but not all, the answer will be no, and for these companies
        everything they do will be made harder because they are branches of foreign
        companies.

        But the seminar may not focus on that too much, after all, they are selling
        their services in setting up Ltds, and you even pay 250 PLN for the priviledge
        of getting sold to.

        Yes, I forward the BPCC stuff, and the German chamber stuff and various other
        stuff, and no, I don't always agree with the content. If the letters FWDG are
        in the thread, then I am simply giving notice, and the reastis not my own words
        and I do not necessarily even endorse what is going on. If I do happen to
        endorse it, I will say so out loud.
      • ianek70 Re: Fwdg: British Chamber seminar on using UK Co. 29.03.06, 14:10
        marimax napisał:

        > Perhaps you could teach first, thousands of polish people living and working
        in
        >
        > the UK how to avoid british bureaucracy ???

        What, they can't work it out for themselves? And who helps foreigners in PL to
        get round Polish bureaucracy?

        > Teach them how to get a NIN or how to open a bank account.
        > Both tasks almost impossible to achieve in your perfect country

        Not if you've got a brain and can speak or read English.
    • ianek70 Re: Fwdg: British Chamber seminar on using UK Co. 29.03.06, 13:48
      usenetposts napisał:

      > Dear Member,
      >
      > The following invitation is passed to you at the request of our member
      > Richardson Rios Olechowski.

      Dear Poster,

      I just read that post to discover that, to my horrendous disappointment,
      Richardson Rios Olechowski is in fact the name of a company or something, and
      not, as the name would suggest, some funky cigar-smoking dude with a moustache
      so big you could brush the floor with it.
      • marimax Re: Fwdg: British Chamber seminar on using UK Co. 29.03.06, 20:37
        Ianek, you are one of the biggest ass***es I've seen in my life.
        I guess you have never been to England.
        I met in England quite a few people from Poland who can not open a bank account
        mostly because they rent a small room somewhere and don't have a proof of
        address or some because they don't speak english.
        And getting a NIN is another nightmare. You can not get a job without a NIN and
        you can not get a NIN if you are not working.
        These are only two examples of how England treats LEGAL immigrants.
        In America it takes about 10 minutes to open a bank account and another 10
        minutes to fill out a form for a Social Security Number.
        No wonder America is booming and the socialist republic of EU is slowly going
        to hell.
        • russh Re: Fwdg: British Chamber seminar on using UK Co. 29.03.06, 22:09
          > Ianek, you are one of the biggest ass***es I've seen in my life.

          When did you see Ian?

          > And getting a NIN is another nightmare. You can not get a job without a NIN and
          >
          > you can not get a NIN if you are not working.

          Not true - you can get a temporary NI Number provided you have the necessary
          documents and either have a job, or are registered with an employment agency.

          You should remember that hundreds of thousands of people from overseas arrive in
          the UK every year, and the process inevitably takes time, and rightly so.

          > I met in England quite a few people from Poland who can not open a bank account
          > mostly because they rent a small room somewhere and don't have a proof of
          > address or some because they don't speak english.

          Banks are a problem, but the amount of money-laundering etc. that occured before
          was extremely high. It's justifiable.

          > In America it takes about 10 minutes to open a bank account and another 10
          > minutes to fill out a form for a Social Security Number.

          And look at the immigration problem they have currently.
          • marimax Re: Fwdg: British Chamber seminar on using UK Co. 30.03.06, 01:21
            What a joke.
            England does not have any immigration problems.
            You are twisting the truth. We are not talking about people who try to deposit
            hundreds of thousands of Pounds.
            We are talking about an ordinary people who can not deposit their weekly
            paycheques of about 100 - 200 Pouds. You call it money laundering ?
            Don't be stupid like your bankers, please.
            • russh Re: Fwdg: British Chamber seminar on using UK Co. 30.03.06, 07:29
              Then tell me why it is so difficult?

              You think that banks do not want more clients?

              Marimax, you may hate England - who cares, but don't be so cretinous please.
        • ianek70 Re: Fwdg: British Chamber seminar on using UK Co. 30.03.06, 09:31
          marimax napisał:

          > Ianek, you are one of the biggest ass***es I've seen in my life.

          I take it as a compliment that some frustrated, humourless little fuckwit
          doesn't like me smile

          > I guess you have never been to England.

          Whatever.
          • marimax Re: Fwdg: British Chamber seminar on using UK Co. 30.03.06, 10:17
            Too bad you don't read Polish magazines published in London.
            They are full of adds for businesses who can help you (for a fee of course)open
            a bank account or get a NIN.
            Last week I tried to help one girl to open a bank account.
            She showed me her pay cheques for the last 4 months and not having a bank
            account she could not cash it and her employer refused to pay her in cash.
            Knowing what my cousins went through opening a bank account (it took them
            3 months to open an account)I offered my help.
            We went to a bank and of course she was turned down. She had to present the
            bank with a pile of documents first and she was told to learn english first so
            she can understand what the bank teller is telling her.
            Because it was in the area where a lot of polish people live I asked why they
            don't hire someone who speaks polish and english and the answer was that this
            is not the bank's problem and they don't have to do it.
            At this moment I lost my cool and told them what I think about their bank,
            this "wonderfull" country and its people.
            You should see the face of this bitch listening to me.
            I was furious at this moment and if this girl I was with did not grab me and
            ask me to leave I would probably end up in jail
            • dandywarhol Re: Fwdg: British Chamber seminar on using UK Co. 30.03.06, 12:40
              He's right about the banks. I know a Canadian who was transferred to London by
              his firm - opening a bank account was a multi-week chore. He was living in a
              company-provided apartment, so no rental agreement, the company wouldn't write
              him a rental agreement because they weren't renting it to him and doing so would
              apparently open a whole legal can of worms, the utility bills were not in his
              name, so he couldn't use those as proof, getting a cell phone (ok, mobile) was
              also impossible because of no bank account, so no way to get a bill sent to him
              that way. Eventually IIRC he ended up asking his firm what bank they use, went
              to that bank, gave them a reference letter from his firm proving his employment,
              and essentially told them "give me a bank account or you lose my company's
              business," which finally worked. So if he hadn't had a lot of pull at his
              company, he'd probably still be frustrated if he hadn't rented his own place.

              Getting a bank account in the US basically requires proof of identity and that's
              it. I believe I got one using just my university-issued ID once. Walk in, talk
              to someone, walk out 10 minutes later with everything set up. If you deposit
              more than $10,000 at once then the bank lets the gov't know about it, which is
              the method of preventing money-laundering and tax fraud on a large scale. It's a
              lot less frustrating for the common man, you gotta admit.
            • ianek70 Idiot gets Poles bad name 30.03.06, 13:12
              marimax napisał:

              > Too bad you don't read Polish magazines published in London.

              Maybe I should.
              But on the other hand since I'm not Polish and don't live in London, I don't
              think I'll bother.

              > We went to a bank and of course she was turned down. She had to present the
              > bank with a pile of documents first and she was told to learn english first
              so
              > she can understand what the bank teller is telling her.

              That's fair enough, can you imagine trying to open an account in a Polish bank
              if you can't speak Polish?

              > Because it was in the area where a lot of polish people live I asked why they
              > don't hire someone who speaks polish and english and the answer was that this
              > is not the bank's problem and they don't have to do it.

              Yeah, right, the bank should employ dozens of people who speak Turkish, Polish,
              Arabic, Spanish, Urdu or whatever, to make life easier for folk that can't be
              bothered to learn English.

              > At this moment I lost my cool and told them what I think about their bank,
              > this "wonderfull" country and its people.

              Did the folk at the bank actually claim their country was wonderful?
              Were they moved to shame by your witty satirical comments, or did they just
              think you were an arrogant bad-tempered tit?

              > You should see the face of this bitch listening to me.
              > I was furious at this moment and if this girl I was with did not grab me and
              > ask me to leave I would probably end up in jail

              Oh, Minimaksie, ty brutalu...
              • marimax Re: Idiot gets Poles bad name 30.03.06, 18:16
                You are an idiot.
                You will not believe in it even if another 100 people write you their stories.
                I hope you will end up in a similar situation someday where you can not buy a
                groceries because you can not cash your paycheque.
                I told you before you are the biggest ass**le writing here.
                • ianek70 Re: Cretin gets illiterate people bad name 04.04.06, 13:57
                  marimax napisał:

                  > You are an idiot.

                  And you're an arrogant knob-end, but I don't hold that against you.

                  > I hope you will end up in a similar situation someday where you can not buy a
                  > groceries because you can not cash your paycheque.

                  "A groceries?" Another few years in the US and you'll be able to read English,
                  then maybe you'll understand the point I was making.
                  Czyli jakiś kretyn na wakacjach zagranicą wchodzi do banku i chamsko wymaga,
                  aby personel mówił w jego języku smile
                  And if someone went into the Lublin branch of PKO BP and demanded a Swahili-
                  speaking cashier, then sulked and started shouting melodramatically when he
                  didn't get one, would nobody laugh at him?

                  > I told you before you are the biggest ass**le writing here.

                  And I've already told you that you're a sad, frustrated, moaning little f**kwit.
                  Why don't you piss off back to Poland if you can't cope abroad?
                  • marimax Re: Cretin gets illiterate people bad name 04.04.06, 17:57
                    YOU PISS OF HUMAN SHITHEAD
                    Why do you think I went to the bank with her?
                    So if the bank does not allow an independent translator it should provide his
                    own. We are talking about a client with only a few hundred pounds and not a
                    millionair.
                    You probably work for some kind of a useless EU institution so you don't
                    understand what problems legal immigrants to the UK have to go through to get
                    themself established
                    • usenetposts Re: Cretin gets illiterate people bad name 04.04.06, 18:24
                      > YOU PISS OF HUMAN SHITHEAD

                      Now, now.

                      > Why do you think I went to the bank with her?

                      That would make a good first line for a novel or short story.

                      > So if the bank does not allow an independent translator it should provide his
                      > own. We are talking about a client with only a few hundred pounds and not a
                      > millionair.
                      > You probably work for some kind of a useless EU institution so you don't
                      > understand what problems legal immigrants to the UK have to go through to get
                      > themself established

                      You are not an immigrant, you are an EU citizen excercising your right to
                      freedom of movement of labour and capital.

                      If you behave like an immigrant, expect to be treated like one. If you behave
                      like a European, expect to be treated like one.
                    • ianek70 Re: Cretin gets illiterate people bad name 04.04.06, 18:25
                      marimax napisał:

                      > YOU PISS OF HUMAN SHITHEAD

                      Całuj mnie w dupę, chuju jebany.

                      > Why do you think I went to the bank with her?

                      Because you're in a country you hate and you had nobody else to talk to.

                      > So if the bank does not allow an independent translator it should provide his
                      > own.

                      "Independent translator"? Ha ha.
                      A translator translates, an arsehole goes into a bank and shouts and sulks and
                      swears at people who're just doing their job. Can you just walk into a bank in
                      Los Angeles or Chicago and say "I can't be bothered learning Spanish or English
                      so if you want my money you'll have to employ an interpreter"? They would just
                      laugh at you, the same as they laughed at you in that British bank as soon as
                      you left.

                      > You probably work for some kind of a useless EU institution so you don't
                      > understand what problems legal immigrants to the UK have to go through to get
                      > themself established

                      I'm a self-employed legal immigrant in Poland, so I know a lot more about
                      pointless bureaucracy than you do.
                      And what the f**k do you know about EU institutions, gringo? You don't even
                      f**king live on our continent.
                      • russh Re: Cretin gets illiterate people bad name 04.04.06, 21:39
                        What an absolute idiot this guy is.

                        We all know, and have said the same, that opening a bank account in the UK is
                        not easy (even for UK citizens).

                        Maxmara just goes on, and on, and on, and on....., and has nowt else to write
                        apart from cretinous insults.

                        Number one plonker in my books.
                        • marimax Re: Cretin gets illiterate people bad name 04.04.06, 23:00
                          You see how stupid this Ianek shithead is?
                          He can not even understand my simple words.
                          I do live here now (unfortunately) and yes I was very polite at the bank at
                          first and I only lost my cool after listening to the bank officer and her
                          decision.
                          I guess you don't even believe the other guy story about the Canadian who had
                          the same problem

                          • minimus Re: Cretin gets illiterate people bad name 05.04.06, 00:13
                            marimax
                            I think you have the point with the bank problem. If what you say is true that
                            was just a very bad and unfair treatment.
                            But you have to work to control your temper. Even if you are right sometimes
                            you have to be able to sell it. Clearly at the bank you did not help, and you
                            are not achieving your goal here either.
                            • minimus Re: Cretin gets illiterate people bad name 05.04.06, 00:25
                              BTW, can't they just open "non resident" acct's?? Don't they exist in the UK?
                            • usenetposts Re: Cretin gets illiterate people bad name 05.04.06, 10:29
                              minimus napisał:

                              > marimax
                              > I think you have the point with the bank problem. If what you say is true
                              that
                              > was just a very bad and unfair treatment.
                              > But you have to work to control your temper. Even if you are right sometimes
                              > you have to be able to sell it. Clearly at the bank you did not help, and you
                              > are not achieving your goal here either.


                              The bank staff in the UK are well trained to diffuse a situation where someone
                              gets a bit ticked off at them and raises their voice. They will - recording
                              everything by the by, say "I'm detectin' a hothtile attitude from you, thir.
                              I'm afwaid i won't therve you until you show me thome rethpect". Which is
                              bankese for "bow and worship my resilient schoolleavership, thou dolt, for I
                              have thy purse as though the strings were mine, as the bard himself quith,
                              quath, quoth."

                              And you just have to tone it down at that point, because if you actually show
                              the bankers the contempt they deserve, you could get 2 weeks in Belmarsh.
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