Lover taxex

31.03.06, 14:54
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No champagne this year. But the intention is nice!
    • usenetposts Re: Lover taxex 31.03.06, 16:10
      I feel like crying, but it is only money, at the end of the day.
    • usenetposts Re: Lover taxex 31.03.06, 16:36
      I take it you're still having trouble with that Media Markt keyboard?

      "Lover tax" is thankfully - hopefully - not yet on this Government's agenda,
      although I heard they were going to close all the brothels down next year, or
      something.
      • hardenfelt Re: Lover taxex 31.03.06, 17:10
        usenetposts napisał:

        > I take it you're still having trouble with that Media Markt keyboard?

        It's supposed to mean: Lover of tax exile
      • hardenfelt Re: Lover taxex 31.03.06, 19:23
        David wrote:
        "Lover tax" is thankfully - hopefully - not yet on this Government's agenda,
        > although I heard they were going to close all the brothels down next year, or
        > something.
        >
        Yes, I’m sure the government will do anything it can to ruin the economy. They
        will choose some bumsucker for National Bank Governor and kick-start inflation
        and instead of taxing brothels they will probably close them which will cause a
        substantial drop in tourism.

        If I had any cash Zloty I would move them to another currency as quickly as
        possible. I think a good business right now could be buying property and take
        big fixed-interest loans in zloty.
        • usenetposts Re: Lover taxex 01.04.06, 13:31
          That's a jolly good plan, other than the problem that despite mismanagement, if
          businesses are only given freedom they will sort this economy out anyway. It's
          not that politicians can do that, since they create nothing, and either only
          get in the way or stay out of the way.

          Now with regard to the fate of the girls who need to work because the state
          will not help them with getting money out of the absent fathers of their
          children, neither will they get easy access to medical treatment for their kids
          if they have a serious or unusual disorder, although that is what we all pay
          exorbitant taxes for, neither can they get reasonable gainful employment
          elsewhere or even in many cases anywhere else to live - what will become of
          them when they outlaw the brothels?

          They need to clamp down on traffickers and pushers, but most of all if a woman
          chooses the oldest profession because she has no viable alternative, then
          provide those alternatives.

          Don't just imagine, dear President, that you are doing a Christian act by
          throwing a sex worker out of her brothel to starve on the street. That is not
          in fact the example which Our Lord provided.

          So think of helping the hooker first and punishing the john as a lower priority.
          • ejmarkow Re: Lover taxex 01.04.06, 14:47
            Hardenfelt wrote:

            > I think a good business right now could be buying property and take
            > big fixed-interest loans in zloty.

            The Bank of New York has also recently decided to get its foot in Poland by
            creating an Investment Fund in which one of the primary concentrations will be
            in Real Estate. I strongly agree with this strategy, if not a bit too late in
            their planning. You're not alone in your logic Hardenfelt!

            Eugene


            • ejmarkow Re: Lover taxex 01.04.06, 15:38
              Usenetsposts wrote:

              > They need to clamp down on traffickers and pushers, but most of all if a
              > woman chooses the oldest profession because she has no viable alternative,
              > then provide those alternatives.
              > Don't just imagine, dear President, that you are doing a Christian act by
              > throwing a sex worker out of her brothel to starve on the street. That is not
              > in fact the example which Our Lord provided.
              > So think of helping the hooker first and punishing the john as a lower
              > priority.

              Another issue to explore is, how many of these 'sex workers' or 'hookers' in
              Poland are actually native and ethnic Poles, and legal Polish citizens?
              Probably a small percentage, according to current statistical and news sources.
              If those workers are here illegally (on or against their own will), should
              Poland help them find alternative legal employment or provide financial
              assistance, when Polish citizens themselves are suffering from an unemployment
              rate which exceeds 18%? According to one of numerous dependable sources, it
              seems that the majority of them are in Poland illegally and come from the
              former Soviet Republics and other countries. As per the 'United Nations Office
              on Drugs and Crime':

              www.unodc.org/unodc/trafficking_projects_poland.html
              - "At least 15,000 women are trafficked to Poland from abroad, according to
              police sources. The women - generally 16 to 20 years old - come from Bulgaria,
              Romania and the former Soviet republics, and sometimes use Poland as a jumping
              off point to other countries."

              - "A 20-kilometre road through the forests close to the German border has come
              to be called the "Road of Happiness", due to the large number of prostitutes -
              mainly Bulgarians and Ukrainians - plying their trade there. The clients are
              mostly Germans."

              - "Organized crime groups from Ukraine and Belarus are increasingly replacing
              Polish middlemen in the lucrative smuggling trade of girls and women from the
              former Soviet republics through Poland and on to the West."

              In light of some of these facts, and other contents contained in that report,
              while a good religious and moral deed might be to comfort them in some sort of
              housing on a temporary basis and provide basic medical services, our (citizens)
              tax money and governmentmal funds should not be used to actively find
              employment for such workers that are here illegally. Give such illegal workers
              some time to rehabilitate, then try sending them back to their respective
              countries. Citizens of Poland, who are qualified in a particular field, should
              be first in line for such alternative available employment or assistance. It's
              only fair.

              Eugene


              • usenetposts Re: Lover taxex 01.04.06, 19:07
                Hi Eugene,

                This "road of happiness" reference in that document you found is, according
                tome research, highly questionable. Sure there are some places in certain
                forest roads where you will see "tirowki", but this "road of happiness" is only
                mentioned in a so-called "walled garden" of sources of limited academic rigour
                produced by school-leavers using tax payers money. One of the sources you will
                find if you google it (and incidentally if you google it in Polish using "droga
                szczęścia" you will only find religious and yoga references and no prostitution-
                related ones at all). In one place one of these learned papers identifies this
                road of happiness as being in the "Zielona province". I wonder if the yellow
                brick road is there as well, and I might find Dorothy, Toto and the tin man
                plying their trade out there... I think they are at best getting it confused
                with something that existed in the Czech republic in the 1990s, and was
                frequently the subject of half-baked and half-concocted shock journalism of the
                Spiegel TV, RTL or Pro-7 stamp.

                Then you say that you don't think any money should be spent on giving other
                opportunities to those who are here illegally. I am not so sure. If Poland has
                been part of the problem for those girls, then Poland should have the decency
                to become part of their solution also, and I note that Bulgarians and Romanians
                and possibly also Ukrainians were due to be getting the right to work in this
                country in the second half of this year, although things are getting to a point
                where I believe the plans of this government only when they actually happen.
                • ejmarkow Re: Lover taxex 02.04.06, 00:08
                  usenetposts napisał:

                  > Hi Eugene,
                  >
                  > This "road of happiness" reference in that document you found is, according
                  > tome research, highly questionable. Sure there are some places in certain
                  > forest roads where you will see "tirowki", but this "road of happiness" is
                  > only mentioned in a so-called "walled garden" of sources of limited academic
                  > rigour produced by school-leavers using tax payers money.

                  Hello Dave,

                  I really wouldn't consider the UNODC (The United Natins Office on Drugs an
                  Crime - a global leader in the fight against illicit drugs and international
                  crime) to be a source of information of low scholarly value or dishonest. It's
                  a respectable international organization that specializes in such activities.
                  Also, I used that particular source (one of many) as an example to point out
                  who actually represents the majority of such 'sex' workers in Poland.

                  > Then you say that you don't think any money should be spent on giving other
                  > opportunities to those who are here illegally. I am not so sure. If Poland
                  > has been part of the problem for those girls, then Poland should have the
                  > decency to become part of their solution also, and I note that Bulgarians
                  > and Romanians and possibly also Ukrainians were due to be getting the right
                  > to work in this country in the second half of this year, although things are
                  > getting to a point where I believe the plans of this government only when they
                  > actually happen.

                  I did say Poland should at least give temporary housing and basic medical care
                  for these people, and then eventually try to send them back. Housing, medical
                  care, and transport is a significant cost for Poland, and isn't free. And, if
                  those foreigners that originally came to Poland did so with intentions to work
                  in a more acceptable occupation, and they also had legal status or citizenship
                  here, then I agree that they should be helped and treated the same way has any
                  other Polish citizen. The USA is today faced with such a problem, where
                  taxpayers money is being used to assist illegal immigrants in too many ways. A
                  line must be drawn at some point and many American's are starting to voice
                  their opinion on this subject. Then again, the USA doesn't have an unemployment
                  rate that exceeds 18% like Poland does. Limited help should be given, but not
                  at the expense of legal citizens. This is where the financial and moral aspects
                  conflict.

                  Regards,

                  Eugene
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