hardenfelt 31.03.06, 14:54 gospodarka.gazeta.pl/gospodarka/1,33181,3250151.html No champagne this year. But the intention is nice! Odpowiedz Link czytaj wygodnie posty
usenetposts Re: Lover taxex 31.03.06, 16:10 I feel like crying, but it is only money, at the end of the day. Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: Lover taxex 31.03.06, 16:36 I take it you're still having trouble with that Media Markt keyboard? "Lover tax" is thankfully - hopefully - not yet on this Government's agenda, although I heard they were going to close all the brothels down next year, or something. Odpowiedz Link
hardenfelt Re: Lover taxex 31.03.06, 17:10 usenetposts napisał: > I take it you're still having trouble with that Media Markt keyboard? It's supposed to mean: Lover of tax exile Odpowiedz Link
hardenfelt Re: Lover taxex 31.03.06, 19:23 David wrote: "Lover tax" is thankfully - hopefully - not yet on this Government's agenda, > although I heard they were going to close all the brothels down next year, or > something. > Yes, I’m sure the government will do anything it can to ruin the economy. They will choose some bumsucker for National Bank Governor and kick-start inflation and instead of taxing brothels they will probably close them which will cause a substantial drop in tourism. If I had any cash Zloty I would move them to another currency as quickly as possible. I think a good business right now could be buying property and take big fixed-interest loans in zloty. Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: Lover taxex 01.04.06, 13:31 That's a jolly good plan, other than the problem that despite mismanagement, if businesses are only given freedom they will sort this economy out anyway. It's not that politicians can do that, since they create nothing, and either only get in the way or stay out of the way. Now with regard to the fate of the girls who need to work because the state will not help them with getting money out of the absent fathers of their children, neither will they get easy access to medical treatment for their kids if they have a serious or unusual disorder, although that is what we all pay exorbitant taxes for, neither can they get reasonable gainful employment elsewhere or even in many cases anywhere else to live - what will become of them when they outlaw the brothels? They need to clamp down on traffickers and pushers, but most of all if a woman chooses the oldest profession because she has no viable alternative, then provide those alternatives. Don't just imagine, dear President, that you are doing a Christian act by throwing a sex worker out of her brothel to starve on the street. That is not in fact the example which Our Lord provided. So think of helping the hooker first and punishing the john as a lower priority. Odpowiedz Link
ejmarkow Re: Lover taxex 01.04.06, 14:47 Hardenfelt wrote: > I think a good business right now could be buying property and take > big fixed-interest loans in zloty. The Bank of New York has also recently decided to get its foot in Poland by creating an Investment Fund in which one of the primary concentrations will be in Real Estate. I strongly agree with this strategy, if not a bit too late in their planning. You're not alone in your logic Hardenfelt! Eugene Odpowiedz Link
ejmarkow Re: Lover taxex 01.04.06, 15:38 Usenetsposts wrote: > They need to clamp down on traffickers and pushers, but most of all if a > woman chooses the oldest profession because she has no viable alternative, > then provide those alternatives. > Don't just imagine, dear President, that you are doing a Christian act by > throwing a sex worker out of her brothel to starve on the street. That is not > in fact the example which Our Lord provided. > So think of helping the hooker first and punishing the john as a lower > priority. Another issue to explore is, how many of these 'sex workers' or 'hookers' in Poland are actually native and ethnic Poles, and legal Polish citizens? Probably a small percentage, according to current statistical and news sources. If those workers are here illegally (on or against their own will), should Poland help them find alternative legal employment or provide financial assistance, when Polish citizens themselves are suffering from an unemployment rate which exceeds 18%? According to one of numerous dependable sources, it seems that the majority of them are in Poland illegally and come from the former Soviet Republics and other countries. As per the 'United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime': www.unodc.org/unodc/trafficking_projects_poland.html - "At least 15,000 women are trafficked to Poland from abroad, according to police sources. The women - generally 16 to 20 years old - come from Bulgaria, Romania and the former Soviet republics, and sometimes use Poland as a jumping off point to other countries." - "A 20-kilometre road through the forests close to the German border has come to be called the "Road of Happiness", due to the large number of prostitutes - mainly Bulgarians and Ukrainians - plying their trade there. The clients are mostly Germans." - "Organized crime groups from Ukraine and Belarus are increasingly replacing Polish middlemen in the lucrative smuggling trade of girls and women from the former Soviet republics through Poland and on to the West." In light of some of these facts, and other contents contained in that report, while a good religious and moral deed might be to comfort them in some sort of housing on a temporary basis and provide basic medical services, our (citizens) tax money and governmentmal funds should not be used to actively find employment for such workers that are here illegally. Give such illegal workers some time to rehabilitate, then try sending them back to their respective countries. Citizens of Poland, who are qualified in a particular field, should be first in line for such alternative available employment or assistance. It's only fair. Eugene Odpowiedz Link
usenetposts Re: Lover taxex 01.04.06, 19:07 Hi Eugene, This "road of happiness" reference in that document you found is, according tome research, highly questionable. Sure there are some places in certain forest roads where you will see "tirowki", but this "road of happiness" is only mentioned in a so-called "walled garden" of sources of limited academic rigour produced by school-leavers using tax payers money. One of the sources you will find if you google it (and incidentally if you google it in Polish using "droga szczęścia" you will only find religious and yoga references and no prostitution- related ones at all). In one place one of these learned papers identifies this road of happiness as being in the "Zielona province". I wonder if the yellow brick road is there as well, and I might find Dorothy, Toto and the tin man plying their trade out there... I think they are at best getting it confused with something that existed in the Czech republic in the 1990s, and was frequently the subject of half-baked and half-concocted shock journalism of the Spiegel TV, RTL or Pro-7 stamp. Then you say that you don't think any money should be spent on giving other opportunities to those who are here illegally. I am not so sure. If Poland has been part of the problem for those girls, then Poland should have the decency to become part of their solution also, and I note that Bulgarians and Romanians and possibly also Ukrainians were due to be getting the right to work in this country in the second half of this year, although things are getting to a point where I believe the plans of this government only when they actually happen. Odpowiedz Link
ejmarkow Re: Lover taxex 02.04.06, 00:08 usenetposts napisał: > Hi Eugene, > > This "road of happiness" reference in that document you found is, according > tome research, highly questionable. Sure there are some places in certain > forest roads where you will see "tirowki", but this "road of happiness" is > only mentioned in a so-called "walled garden" of sources of limited academic > rigour produced by school-leavers using tax payers money. Hello Dave, I really wouldn't consider the UNODC (The United Natins Office on Drugs an Crime - a global leader in the fight against illicit drugs and international crime) to be a source of information of low scholarly value or dishonest. It's a respectable international organization that specializes in such activities. Also, I used that particular source (one of many) as an example to point out who actually represents the majority of such 'sex' workers in Poland. > Then you say that you don't think any money should be spent on giving other > opportunities to those who are here illegally. I am not so sure. If Poland > has been part of the problem for those girls, then Poland should have the > decency to become part of their solution also, and I note that Bulgarians > and Romanians and possibly also Ukrainians were due to be getting the right > to work in this country in the second half of this year, although things are > getting to a point where I believe the plans of this government only when they > actually happen. I did say Poland should at least give temporary housing and basic medical care for these people, and then eventually try to send them back. Housing, medical care, and transport is a significant cost for Poland, and isn't free. And, if those foreigners that originally came to Poland did so with intentions to work in a more acceptable occupation, and they also had legal status or citizenship here, then I agree that they should be helped and treated the same way has any other Polish citizen. The USA is today faced with such a problem, where taxpayers money is being used to assist illegal immigrants in too many ways. A line must be drawn at some point and many American's are starting to voice their opinion on this subject. Then again, the USA doesn't have an unemployment rate that exceeds 18% like Poland does. Limited help should be given, but not at the expense of legal citizens. This is where the financial and moral aspects conflict. Regards, Eugene Odpowiedz Link