Left-Center Media Destabilizes Politics?

21.04.06, 17:58
Sometimes, I can't help but notice the obvious intended pessimism in articles
regarding the Sejm's current ruling political Conservative-Right, written by
Poland's dominating Left Wing-Center oriented press. Here is just one small
fragment from the 'Warsaw Voice' entitled "Politicians upbeat on odds of
forming a governing coalition, Warsaw, Poland April 21, 2006".

- "If the "Stabilization Pact," which was an informal coalition of PiS, LPR
and Samoobrona that was supposed to last at least a year and fell apart after
only a few weeks, is an indicator of things to come, the coalition may fall
apart before it gets off the ground.

- Despite Thursday's optimistic mood of all politicians involved in coalition
talks, political uncertainty will likely continue for some time."

I've noticed similar statements made in several other publications such as
the "Warsaw Business Journal" in a desperate attempt to undermine and
create 'chaos' in the current government's hierarchy. In all due respect,
whether the press, other countries, the EU senators, or current population
approve or disapprove the current Right-Conservative government and the
merging of PiS, LPR, Samoobrona, and PSL into one ruling coalition, they
(current government) should at least be given a fair chance to administer and
implement their proposed policies with objective integrity before chewing
them apart in the media. Let's see what they do in one year + from now, and
then judge them with constructive criticism. It's only fair, but who ever
said that politics was an honest and moral game minus constant backstabbing
and trashing? In the end, the former Communists and political Left may
benefit from it all once again with the help and biased favoritism of the
media. I can see the argument that was made by Kaczynski's government to
enforce a stronger 'watchdog' in what statements the press makes, however, I
do not believe in either the suppression of the freedom of speech, nor do I
support the abuse and favoritism often noticeable in the freedom of speech.
Reporting in a balanced, fair manner is the most respectable. I am not
personally endorsing one party or the other, let's just wait, see, and judge.
Once upon a time came Wałęsa, ousted by Kwasniewski, replaced by
Kaczynski...right-left-right...what comes next?

Eugene

    • sobieski010 Re: Left-Center Media Destabilizes Politics? 21.04.06, 23:00
      What good can come from a coalition of fascists (LPR), populists (Samoobrona)
      and fundamentalistic catholics?
      Longing for Dmowski's Endacja?
      What do you meam with a "watchdog"? One which fines Radio Tok because they joke
      with the Church's sexual ideas..but fail to criticise a nazist Radio Marija
      journalist?
      Or a party (PIS) which declares the Constitutional Court unimportant because
      they upheld the law?
      Ever seen the LPR youth in action? I am not such a gay-loving person myself but
      when I saw this Hitlerjugend during the "Equality March" last year... I wanted
      to vomit.
      Or a party (LPR) which wants to sell off Poland's foreign currency reserves?
      This is not a normal coalition. This is a combination of fascists and religious
      fanatics and I am very happy I have my Belgian passport so I can always escape
      • ejmarkow Re: Left-Center Media Destabilizes Politics? 22.04.06, 12:16
        sobieski010 napisał:

        Hehe...very Left wing commentary indeed Sobieski010...it might qualify to be
        printed in "Nie".
        smile
        Such political "puns" can be drawn on both sides of the spectrum. Here goes
        the "satirical" equivalents for the Left-Center, as would be presented by the
        Right:

        > What good can come from a coalition of fascists (LPR), populists (Samoobrona)
        > and fundamentalistic catholics?

        Right: If you prefer Left-Center anti-Catholics, unpatriotic liberals, pro-
        abortionists, followers of the doctrines of Marxism–Leninism who claim to be
        newly reformed democrats and captialists, fundamentalistic pro-Communists, and
        Soviet collaborators, many with roots in the NKVD?

        > Longing for Dmowski's Endacja?

        Right: Or is Stalins NKVD any better? They are responsible for the Katyn
        massacre and killing thousands of the Polish elite, mostly Catholics. Did
        Dmowski physically murder anyone at all?

        > What do you meam with a "watchdog"? One which fines Radio Tok because they
        > joke with the Church's sexual ideas..but fail to criticise a nazist Radio
        > Marija journalist?

        Right: Well, Kaczynski mentioned 'watchdog' not long ago to monitor political
        favoritism in the 'majority' (Left) dominated media. Do you support a party
        that illegally purchased and literally stole state assets for zero cost when
        Poland was on the brink of making the transition from communism to capitalism,
        and one that fails to denounce or criticize Urban's anti-clerical and anti-
        Catholic "Nie" which is no better than Radio Marija's radio station in
        offending specific religious groups? Recently RM did apologize for their rude
        comments...does "Nie" ever apologize for their weekly tirade?

        > Or a party (PIS) which declares the Constitutional Court unimportant because
        > they upheld the law?

        Right: Or a party with deep roots in Communism that constantly broke every law
        in the books while ruling Poland for over 50 years with disregard to moral,
        democratic, and Christian values?

        > Ever seen the LPR youth in action? I am not such a gay-loving person myself
        > but when I saw this Hitlerjugend during the "Equality March" last year... I
        > wanted to vomit.

        Right: It's no different in any other country where much worse exists. There
        are always present at such events, the 'pro' and 'anti' marchers and
        protesters. It's nothing new and very trivial. So, it's not only limited to LPR.

        > Or a party (LPR) which wants to sell off Poland's foreign currency reserves?
        > This is not a normal coalition. This is a combination of fascists and
        > religious fanatics and I am very happy I have my Belgian passport so I can
        > always escape.

        Right: Or a party that was in the process of selling off most of Poland's prime
        business assets and state sectors to foreigners at below market value? That
        isn't normal either. The Left-Center, a combination of pro-Communists and anti-
        Catholic fanatics. Did you forget that you willingly chose to live in a country
        that is over 95% Catholic? Just like the SLD before PIS, the 'people' voted
        them in. Besides, why shouldn't a party that is pro-Catholic rule a country
        such as Poland? Do non-Muslim or non-Jewish political factions rule Turkey or
        Israel resectively? Escaping is unequivocally your decision Sobieski010.


        As you can see, extreme parallels and viewpoints can be attached to both the
        political Right and Left. They have their advantages and disadvantages, their
        arguments and various counterpoints as to which is more beneficial to Poland.
        So, what is better for Poland? We don't know, yet.

        Disclaimer: As mentioned in the original post, I do not endorse any single
        political faction. The above is political satire. If Urban and Rydzyk can get
        away with it, then so can anyone else.

        smile

        Eugene



      • usenetposts Re: Left-Center Media Destabilizes Politics? 22.04.06, 20:02
        sobieski010 napisał:

        > What good can come from a coalition of fascists (LPR), populists (Samoobrona)
        > and fundamentalistic catholics?
        > Longing for Dmowski's Endacja?
        > What do you meam with a "watchdog"? One which fines Radio Tok because they
        joke
        > with the Church's sexual ideas..but fail to criticise a nazist Radio Marija
        > journalist?
        > Or a party (PIS) which declares the Constitutional Court unimportant because
        > they upheld the law?
        > Ever seen the LPR youth in action? I am not such a gay-loving person myself
        but
        > when I saw this Hitlerjugend during the "Equality March" last year... I wanted
        > to vomit.
        > Or a party (LPR) which wants to sell off Poland's foreign currency reserves?
        > This is not a normal coalition. This is a combination of fascists and
        religious
        > fanatics and I am very happy I have my Belgian passport so I can always escape

        Well Dr Evil also has a Belgian passport, so it's nothing to be proud of.
        • ejmarkow Dave, Read your e-mail 22.04.06, 23:07
          ditto
          • usenetposts Re: Dave, Read your e-mail 23.04.06, 13:05
            OK, I've agreed to cancel two posts in this thread where the personal element
            got a bit out of hand. Try to steer clear of personal attacks, everybody.
    • sobieski010 Re: Left-Center Media Destabilizes Politics? 21.04.06, 23:02
      Besides, if even the Vatican agrees with me that Radio Marija should shut up,
      something has to be wrong...
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        • sobieski010 Re: Left-Center Media Destabilizes Politics? 22.04.06, 19:08
          I think a lot of Catholics in Poland will be offended if you put them on the
          same line as the Kaczory brothers or Radio Marija.
          But of course, if you keep your daily lecture to "Nasz Dziennik" that would be
          understandable.
          And you have to be disappointed by the new "Dziennik" daily: open, modern and
          anti-Kaczory...
          With an added bonus it is foreign-owned (not easy to close down) and Axel
          Springer has more money and better lawyers as the Polish government.
          I have never read "Nie". I keep my spare free time to "Poland Monthly" and
          "Dziennik" (Both pagan I suppose)
          • ejmarkow Re: Left-Center Media Destabilizes Politics? 22.04.06, 19:52
            sobieski010 napisał:

            > I think a lot of Catholics in Poland will be offended if you put them on the
            > same line as the Kaczory brothers or Radio Marija.
            > But of course, if you keep your daily lecture to "Nasz Dziennik" that would be
            > understandable.

            If you have read the previous posts carefully, I never defend either the
            Kaczynski brothers, Radio Marija, Nie, or present any false facts which cannot
            be referenced to objective historical sources. The Right-wing view was simply
            presented in satirical format without favoring any political party. It was
            stated very clearly in my posts, and you should even denote a smiley suggesting
            humor. I did say every party should be given a fair chance. I never grouped all
            Catholics into one bucket. What I do defend is fair reporting in the mass media
            minus favoritism. It's interesting to note that you know so much about RM (I
            assume perhaps you must listen to it if you know so much about it), but nothing
            of "Nie". You don't need to resort to blatant libel by assuming anyone on this
            forum belongs to extremist organizations such as the ONR. I'm really surprised
            that Dave as moderator allowed such a personal accusation on this forum. You
            essentially instigated an argument on a personal level when you were never
            accused of anything to begin with. It's a cheap shot, especially when you
            weren't defamed of anything to begin with. If you had any respect, you would
            apologize for such personal libel. I don't read Nasz Dziennik. Do you?

            > And you have to be disappointed by the new "Dziennik" daily: open, modern and
            > anti-Kaczory...

            And why should I be disappointed? If they present equal and just views on all
            political parties in Poland, that would be great. I haven't noticed them to be
            anti-anyone, it's too early to tell. They only started publishing several days
            ago.

            > With an added bonus it is foreign-owned (not easy to close down) and Axel
            > Springer has more money and better lawyers as the Polish government.

            More power to them, I think it's great. For Gazeta Wyborcza, not so great.
            Dziennik forced the price of daily newspapers down to 1.50 zl. GW had to match
            it, they had no choice. I don't represent or work for the Polish government, so
            that's fine if they have good lawyers. Regardless of money or good lawyers,
            everyone must abide by the law.

            > I have never read "Nie".

            You should, then you would be able to compare the similarities between RM and
            Nie in forming more objective opinions. They both tend to offend in the same
            sarcastic manner.

            > I keep my spare free time to "Poland Monthly" and "Dziennik" (Both pagan I
            suppose).

            I enjoy GW, Newsweek, Time, Wall Stree Journal, Business Week.

            Eugene

    • sobieski010 Re: Left-Center Media Destabilizes Politics? 22.04.06, 19:56
      Another anecdote concerning these brainless morons called PIS?
      The border town of Swinoujscie. German rail connection ends at the border.
      In town there is a PKP station. Distance between them 1-3 kms ?
      The German DB offered to build on THEIR costs the remaining part and connect the
      town to the civilized world... The local PIS administration refused because they
      considered it be treason, that foreigners - let alone Germans - would build this
      stretch of track.
      Sound thinking? Or just common Kaczory-like foreigner bashing?
      I suppose if the tracks would connect Torun to the outside world we would have a
      Japanese bullet train there by now.
      • minimus Re: Left-Center Media Destabilizes Politics? 23.04.06, 00:14
        sounds a bit like an urban myth to me. where do you know it from?
        • ejmarkow Re: Left-Center Media Destabilizes Politics? 23.04.06, 06:04
          sobieski010 napisał:

          > And you have to be disappointed by the new "Dziennik" daily: open, modern and
          > anti-Kaczory...

          From the 'Associated Press':

          Editor-in-chief of "Dziennik" Robert Krasowski "...stressed that the paper
          (Dziennik), meant to appeal to a young and educated readership, would become a
          trusted source by taking a NEUTRAL STANCE on political issues."

          "WE DON'T SYMPATHIZE WITH ANY PARTIES and we don't force any opinions,"
          Krasowski wrote in an editorial.

          Source Link:
          biz.yahoo.com/ap/060418/poland_newspaper_launch.html?.v=1
          Sobieski010, so please explain to us here in detail, where do you get the fact
          that 'Dziennik' is "anti-Kaczory"? Their official policy seems to remain
          neutral in politics, and not favoring any specific political party. Now that's
          a newspaper I will respect highly if they stick to that policy...'fair
          reporting and no political favoritism'. Please provide a reliable source for
          your comment ("anti-Kaczory"), or was it your assumption once again?

          Eugene



          • sobieski010 Re: Left-Center Media Destabilizes Politics? 23.04.06, 10:42
            About the rail link, that was an article in the NWE a few weeks ago.
            Newsweek Poland recently published an extensive article about working mothers.
            One of the mothers portrayed is a friend of ours and the Newsweek reporter told
            it was a direct attempt to undermine the LPR idea about society.
            Regarding "Dziennik", if you publish one day on your front page an article
            about how the gay movement aims to fight PIS in Warsaw, and the second day a
            leader about that "the majority of Polish priests would like to get married",
            then I think this counts as a statement on itself in the current climate.
            I rest my case with this reaction.
            We can go on forever and I have no mood for that.
            • ejmarkow Re: Left-Center Media Destabilizes Politics? 24.04.06, 13:24
              sobieski010 napisał:

              > Regarding "Dziennik", if you publish one day on your front page an article
              > about how the gay movement aims to fight PIS in Warsaw, and the second day a
              > leader about that "the majority of Polish priests would like to get married",
              > then I think this counts as a statement on itself in the current climate.
              > I rest my case with this reaction.
              > We can go on forever and I have no mood for that.

              You cannot designate a brand new "Dziennik" daily newspaper to be 'anti-
              Kaczory' based on two articles. I'm sure if you went through the newspaper a
              bit further, you would see some positive articles as well, like how the
              government wishes to improves relations with Russia, build oil ties with other
              nations to reduce dependency on energy resources, and several other issues.

              You also saw the quote from the Editor in Chief of "Dziennik". He clearly
              stated that the newspaper doesn't play political favorites. How can you argue
              with that? That quote came from his mouth, not mine.

              Eugene
              • ejmarkow Re: Left-Center Media Destabilizes Politics? 24.04.06, 13:47
                The overall stance of 'Radio Polonia' also appears to be mostly left wing. That
                is only my impression of course. They rarely publish anything positive on their
                web site about the current government, however, they are quick to point out the
                drawbacks. They are usually pro-SLD or left-center. Here are two recent
                headlines in their English section today:

                - "The opposition left calls for dissolution of parliament, 23.04.2006"
                'Leader of the Democratic Left Alliance SLD has confirmed that his party
                supports the dissolution of Parliament and earlier elections.'

                - "Ratings drop for the Kaczynski brothers, 22.04.2006"
                'Public support for president Lech Kaczynski and his twin brother Jaroslaw,
                leader of the ruling Law and Justice, has decreased.'

                Rather than tracking the week to week CBOS polls (based on small samplings) on
                the government, the greater media should see what the goverment can do for
                Poland after a generous length of time. Simply put, give them a chance. If the
                current government does screw up the country after a given amount of time, then
                ok, rightfully blast them and chew them apart. If the media continually
                degrades or praises any given political party frequently enough, the public
                will then begin to believe what they are reading. Does the phrase
                public 'brainwashing' fit in?

                Eugene
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