The hollow world of George Bush

IP: 195.152.54.* 23.09.04, 14:40
The news is grim, but the president is "optimistic". The intelligence is
sobering, but he tosses aside "pessimistic predictions". His opponent says he
has "no credibility", but the president replies that it is his rival who
is "twisting in the wind". The UN secretary general speaks of the "rule of
law", but he talks before a mute general assembly of "a new definition of
security"

www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/comment/story/0,14259,1310773,00.html
    • Gość: !!! Re: republikanie o bush'u IP: 195.152.54.* 23.09.04, 19:14
      No matter what prism one looks through, the recent events in Iraq are bad.
      The New York Times reported last week that a new report on Iraq's illicit
      weapons program is expected to conclude that Saddam Hussein had a clear intent
      to produce nuclear, chemical and biological weapons if the United Nations
      sanctions were lifted.

      But, like former top U.S. weapons inspector David Kay's report 11 months
      earlier stated, it finds no evidence that Iraq had begun any type of large-
      scale weapons program at the time America invaded.

      The New York Times also reported that President Bush received a classified
      National Intelligence Estimate in July that suggests the best case scenario for
      Iraq through the end of 2005 is "tenuous" in terms of political, economic and
      security stability.

      Last week, 47 Iraqis were killed by a car bomb in Baghdad, 11 slain by another
      in Baquba, eight dead in a clash between U.S. troops and insurgents in Ramadi --
      and those were just the major incidents. American casualties have risen every
      month since the June handover of political authority to the interim government.

      We also witnessed last week that insurgents became even more brazen as they
      took civilian workers from their homes, which has already led to the beheading
      of two American hostages.

      As Iraq burns, our Nero-esque commander in chief plays the tune of optimism,
      reminding those who attend his campaign rallies that Iraq will soon have free
      and fair elections, and is on the road to democracy.

      So, while we obsess with the whereabouts of President Bush and Sen. John Kerry
      30 years ago, and CBS tries to survive a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the
      head, Americans continue to die in a war that now has key Republicans
      concerned.

      On three different Sunday news shows, different Republican senators urged the
      president to be more forthcoming with the American people

      Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told Fox News on Sunday, "We made serious mistakes."
      In terms of the president communicating the problems in Iraq, McCain added that
      the president was "perhaps not as straight as maybe we'd like to see."

      Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,
      criticized the administration's handling of Iraq's reconstruction,
      using "incompetence" as one of his adjectives. And Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb.,
      lamented on CBS's "Face the Nation," "The fact is, we're in deep trouble in
      Iraq."

      The critiques of three well-respected Republican senators elevate the concerns
      about the war beyond a mere red-state, blue-state affair.

      How many more 19-, 20- and 21-year-olds must die before we are willing to
      demand that the president be more forthcoming? Any modicum of critical thinking
      reveals that America has strayed from its raison d'etre.

      It is easy to declare, as the president often does on the campaign trail, "The
      world is a safer place with Saddam Hussein in jail," but recent reports and
      actions on the ground contradict that notion.

      The president was wrong about weapons of mass destruction; Iraq's threat to the
      United States; links between Saddam and al-Qaida; the reliability of Ahmed
      Chalabi; that Iraqi oil would pay for the war; the number of troops required to
      provide stability; and that we would be greeted as liberators.

      In fact, the only thing that the president has been right about is the evil of
      Saddam Hussein. Did we need over 1,000 American casualties to figure that one
      out?

      Yet, the response from supporters of the war is, "What is John Kerry's plan?"

      How can we debate Kerry's plan, or lack thereof, when we have a president that
      is not forthcoming about reality? Given the circumstances created by this
      administration, Kerry, like the president, has few options that do not include
      a sustained American presence in Iraq, little support from European allies and
      further loss of life.

      More than a plan, we need a president who is willing to be accountable for his
      actions. Both candidates rhetorically have plans; just go to their respective
      Web sites. But in the words of former heavyweight champion Mike
      Tyson, "Everyone has a plan until they get hit."
      • Gość: Aha the only thing that the president has been right IP: *.lv.lv.cox.net 23.09.04, 21:17
        It is easy to declare, as the president often does on the campaign trail, "The
        world is a safer place with Saddam Hussein in jail," but recent reports and
        actions on the ground contradict that notion.

        The president was wrong about weapons of mass destruction; Iraq's threat to the
        United States; links between Saddam and al-Qaida; the reliability of Ahmed
        Chalabi; that Iraqi oil would pay for the war; the number of troops required to
        provide stability; and that we would be greeted as liberators.

        In fact, the only thing that the president has been right about is the evil of
        Saddam Hussein. Did we need over 1,000 American casualties to figure that one
        out?
        • Gość: felusiak Aha West IP: *.nyc.rr.com 23.09.04, 21:46
          www.democrats.org/specialreports/top10_lies/
          reading from the talking points ?
        • Gość: Aha Re: the only thing that the president has been ri IP: *.lv.lv.cox.net 24.09.04, 01:31
          The president was wrong about:

          1. weapons of mass destruction;
          2. Iraq's threat to the United States;
          3. links between Saddam and al-Qaida;
          4. the reliability of Ahmed Chalabi;
          5. that Iraqi oil would pay for the war;
          6. the number of troops required to provide stability;
          7. that we would be greeted as liberators.

          W ktorym z tych punktow, (jest ich tylko siedem, a mozna by ich wyliczyc o
          wiele wiecej), cos sie nie zgadza?

          ps: ilu jeszcze niewinnych ludzi musi zostac scietych zeby tacy jak ty
          zrozumieli zlo ktore posrednio pomagaja czynic, dla celow ktorych nie potrafia
          zrozumiec. Jestes robotem kolego, przykro mi, ale twoj program nie obejmoje
          tego co nazywamy, ludzkim wyczuciem i rozroznieniem zla od koniecznego
          nieszczescia.
    • Gość: Gieniek Co wy wiecie .Bush religijny i miekkie serce ma IP: *.detroit-19rh15rt.mi.dial-access.att.net 24.09.04, 01:49
      Kerry to wp.. spusci w Iraku. Tych wielkich bomb to jeszcze nie uzyli nawet.
    • Gość: !!! Re: The hollow world of George Bush IP: 195.152.54.* 24.09.04, 10:06
      statement after statement that is totally at odds with reality, sometimes going
      off the deep end of outright bufoonery.

      For Example:



      The day that the Abu- Ghraib photos were released to the press, he announced in
      the white house rose garden that "Saddam's torture chambers have been shut down"


      Bush, on october 27, 2003, said that the deaths of the occupying troops in Iraq
      signaled that progress was being made.


      Bush refuses to ever acknowledge that there are any problems whatsoever in
      Iraq, even going so far as to engage in odd, Orwellian doublespeak such
      as "Catastrophic Success" to describe the situation in Iraq.
    • Gość: you-know-who Re: The hollow world of a fucking idiot IP: *.astro.su.se 24.09.04, 12:57
      and all the dicks in his entourage
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