BBC o samopoczuciu mieszkańców Afryki

IP: *.acn.waw.pl 19.10.04, 17:15
I w Oświęcimiu byli ludzie, co tańczyli, bawili się i jedli w cieniu dymów z krematorium, ale czy to był powód do radości w tamtych czasach?

Murzyni mają to do siebie, że bawią się, jedzą i tańczą nawet na świeżo zamordowanych zwłokach swoich wrogów, kobiet i dzieci, których usiekli maczetami, więc nie gloryfikowałbym aż tak bardzo tej afrykańskiej radości...
    • Gość: p Re: BBC o samopoczuciu mieszkańców Afryki IP: 212.122.207.* 19.10.04, 20:18
      No wlasnie cala ta bolszewicka propaganda o eksterminacji, ma sie nijak do
      faktow gdzie wiezniowie jedli pili i swietowali! Co prawda pod okiem
      wojskowych, lecz jedynie dla ich wlasnego bezpieczenstwa.
      • Gość: Mwangi Njagi I bet you Envy the black skin..... IP: *.cable.mindspring.com 21.10.04, 04:46
        @rybynka - what nonsense!!!! You compare Africa with Auswitz? Have u ever been
        to Africa? Have you? So why open your foul mouth to comment on something you
        have no idea of? Is it that u are so empty in your simple head to just echo
        rhetoric statements which display how ignorant and backwards u are?
        My goodness, let me have other sensible poles have constructive comments on this
        finding. Indeed I am Kenyan, African and I am so proud to be black. (By the way,
        the word "murzyn" is abrasive, so try use the journalist word of choice
        "Africanczycy"). It's a continent that understands that all the marterial world
        is based and sustained in the spiritual realm. No wonder you don't see us in a
        hurry, yet you conclude we are lazy. Well, God decided to bless us soo much with
        the best climate ever for us to wine and dine and make merry. Too bad the
        Almighty didn't give u that so that during zima, you might move your behinds to
        work!!!!!

        The spiritual aspect of our believe has made us survive and for your
        information, all races, whites , asians all come from a black man and a black
        woman... you are just black people with no melinine. Let me just keep to my
        topic. You come to Africa and u won't hear a single case of depression, stress
        and such like conditions. YOu see, for the Europeans to build and sustain their
        marterial world, they kill themselves working and all sorts of conditions arise.
        Since we understand the deeper aspect of life, we share. When I was a kid
        growing up in rural kenya, I used to walk to any farm when hungry and eat as
        much as I could of fresh organic fruits. It was and is the accepted norm. We
        understand that marterial stuff comes and goes and it's like chasing of the
        wind. That's not what life is all about. We live our lives slow, happy and
        discover a much deeper meaning of the quest of living.

        We are a happy people, have large chunks of land where we experince the freedom
        God gave to us. Now compare that to living in mieszkania 2X3 metre kwadratowy
        and running for trams everyday... I bet you envy us deep inside u... no wonder
        solariums is a booming business in Poland... and busking nad morze in summer,
        comm'n guys it doesn't hurt to admit it, Does it?
    • Gość: Gerard Musialbym widziec zestaw pytan BBC. Jest to IP: *.detroit-19rh16rt-20rh15rt.mi.dial-access.att.net 21.10.04, 04:57
      bardzo wazne do zrozumienia kilka sprzecznosci w tym artykule.
      Jesli wiekszosc mlodych ludzi chec wyjechac na inne kontynenty, to z czego oni
      sie tak ciesza w swoim kraju.
      Jesli sa generalnie zadowoleni i optymistyczni to czemu sa pesymistami na
      przyszlosc.
      Duma z wlasnej kultury nie moze normalnie wspolistniec z checia jej porzucenia
      na rzecz calkowicie innych kultur. Itd.
      Mamy prawdopodobnie z daleko zaawansowana hipokryzja respondentow. Odpowiadaja
      tak aby biali ludzie nie mysleli, ze oni naprawde nie sa zadowoleni z zycia w
      Afryce. Nie wypada bowiem Murzynom nie cieszyc sie z murzynskosci.
      Jak slusznie jednak zaobserwowano w socjologii: kierunek emigracji wskazuje co
      naprawde myslimy o wlasnym zyciu tam gdzie nie chcemy byc. Nogi wiec mowia
      prawde a nie usta.

      • Gość: Mwangi Njagi The Mainstream Media controls image IP: *.cable.mindspring.com 21.10.04, 21:32
        @Gerald - It pretty unfortunate that u haven't understood the effects of media
        in controlling people's psychology and lifestyle. For instance, you know how
        Poland was during "komuna". Noting in the store shelves, so damn poor, yet the
        media told everyone how better off you were than the west. Showed "bezdomny"
        sleeping in the streets, a thing that would never have happened in Poland or all
        eastern block countries at that time - "Czy lezysz, czy stoisz, i taz nalezy".
        You see, the media kept people put with just one piece of information and didn't
        give them the whole truth for them to decide which system was better. I my
        opinion, what really helped Poland was the mass immigration to the west and the
        US and those diasporas kept giving info of a different world, thus the other
        Polish people in the country were ready for a change. That's waht we call media.

        Now back to this situation. The BBC, CNN , TVP1 and the rest of the media make
        money by painting different places of the world differently but with stunning
        effects. For example, in Africa, we are poor, dyiing of AIDS and all bad
        calamities. Same thing with immigration. Since a few Africans (By the way, the
        word "Murzyn" is abrasive, try using the word "Afrikanczyczy" next time) want to
        try their luck in Europe and are caught doing so doesn't translate that all
        Africans want to come to Europe. Same thing, do you know how many poles were
        deported from the US airports after landing with Visa ... talk of over 50
        thousand!!! these I bet are more than all those Africans trying to cross to
        Europe illegally, but the media doesn't comment on that... so as to keep
        Poland's image put (as a strong US ally).

        So my point is: It's a fact we are proud of being Africans and from Africa. It's
        a fact the we don't have as much economic abilities as the west so we tend to
        look for greener pastures, just like Poles ( The reason Lech Walesa was in the
        US pleading for leanier visa regulations for Poles, which I can assure him was a
        waste of time) and it's a fact that Africa is coming up as an economiic
        powerhouse, just like India and China. Our optimism in Africa is based not only
        on our mere belives but on such statistical indexes like FDI (Foreigh Direct
        Investements) which has grown 600% in the past 4 years, more favourable
        political climate, curbing corruption and transparency. It's also a fact that
        the time has come for Asia as an ecomomic powerhouse and surprisingly, they are
        investing most of the money!!!
        So u see Gerald, sooner or later, the status quo of Africa dependence on it's
        colonial masters is coming to it's end and we are discovering better business
        partners for mutual benefits and not parasites like the west has always been.

        I hope I have enlightened your limited view of Africa.
        • Gość: . Re: The Mainstream Media controls image IP: *.range81-156.btcentralplus.com 21.10.04, 22:21
          1) Nie pytam, co sam robisz w Kanadzie(?) - twoja sprawa.
          2) Polskie "Murzyn" to nie "nigger", nie ma odcienia ni rasistowskiego, ni
          ublizajacego i nigdy nie mialo (stad w rasistowskich polskich dowcipach nie
          masz Murzyna, ale "szuwaks", "bambus", "asfalt" etc).
          3) Sam uzylbym wobec Afrykanow innych slow: nie "optymizm" etc, ale "afirmacja
          zycia". I...afirmacja smierci - wiekszosc Afrykanow, ktorych znam, to ludzie,
          ktorzy swietnie radza sobie z zyciem i rzeczywistoscia, nie zadreczajac sie tym
          czego nie moga zmienic, ale za to zmieniajac to, co podlega ich woli. I dlatego
          osobiscie nie widze sprzecznosci pomiedzy "zadowoleniem" (tj. afirmacja
          afrykanskiej rzeczywistosci) i checia emigracji do swiata, w ktorym zarabia sie
          lepiej.
          • Gość: Mwangi Njagi Re: The Mainstream Media controls image IP: *.cable.mindspring.com 23.10.04, 02:04
            @Gosc -

            1) The word "murzyn" referring to a person of African decent is abrasive,
            whichever way you look at it. It might be th dictionary word for a "black"
            person, just as "nigger" was in the webster dictionary till the 60's. Try to
            explain the known story kids learn at school " Murzynek Bamboo, ....." What
            exactly are u teaching your kids about black people. Look at the caricuture used
            for this "kolezka nasz"? It's the use of these underlines and "hidden" messages
            that the langauge and the story tries to camouflage the intended idea and theme
            of the story line. I am not a Polish Language expert but what has intruiged me
            over the years is when my friends ask me if they can refer to blacks as
            "murzyn". If this word was at such neutrality, why the asking? All said, it
            would do any harm using the prefered jounalist's word - "Afrikanczycy"

            2) I agree with you on point 3. The point is, Africa is econmomically behind due
            to lack of talent or intelligence. It's based on exterior factors in a term
            named "neo-coloniolism" by the first president of Ghana. This is based on the
            assumption that during the independence era of the 60's, Africa obtained
            "independence" which was more of self-rule, but the colonizers maintained the
            economic control of these conutries. No wonder we are classified as
            "common-wealth countries". Unfortunately, our leaders were going with the flow.
            Now, the difference with the coming generation are a cadre of leaders who are
            willing to think beyond the independence contracts signed btw the coloniezers
            and the colonized. That is where the optiimizm comes in. We are seeing changes
            and are very hopeful of the future of Africa.

            I hope we have come to some consensus on this issue
            • Gość: Gerard sluchaj bwana Kubwa. Nie interesuje mnie w ogole IP: *.detroit-19rh16rt-20rh15rt.mi.dial-access.att.net 23.10.04, 02:16
              co Ty myslisz o uzyciu takich czy innych okreslen polskich przez Polakow.
              Moglbym Cie nazwac czarnym poniewaz czarni w USA nazywaja mnie bialy. Osobiscie
              nie przejmuje sie tym. Murzynek Bambo to strasznie sympatyczna postac i nie ma
              tam zadnego podtekstu rasistowskiego. Jesli Ty tak uwazasz to Twoj byzness. Nie
              mam zamiaru Cie przekonywac bo mi na tym dokladnie zwisa. W moim sasiedztwie
              mieszkaja dwie rodziny murzynskie; jedna to real estate agent, drugi to
              prawnik. Myslisz, ze nie sa zapraszani na imprezy sasiedzkie? Mylisz sie. Nikt
              nie zwraca uwagi na ich skore bo sa porzadnymi ludzmi. Rozumiesz to? Porzadni
              ludzie nie maja uprzedzen do porzadnych ludzi. Bandyci nawet jak maja ten sam
              kolor skory tluka sie miedzy soba.
              Natomiast szanuje tych Murzynow, ktorzy nie chcac zyc w bialym spoleczenstwie i
              wracaja do Afryki. Tam nikt na nich nie zwroci uwagi. Jak kiedys odwiedzilem
              znajoma na Podlasiu to uslyszalem dobre powiedzenie: " Gdzie Twoja geba tam
              powinna byc Twoja dupa". Wracaj bracie tam gdzie jest cieplej i nie bedziesz
              mial problemow rasowych.
              Jakby Ameryka miala mnie gdzies to juz dawno bym wrocil do Polski.
              • Gość: Mwangi Njagi Re: sluchaj bwana Kubwa. Nie interesuje mnie w og IP: *.cable.mindspring.com 23.10.04, 19:19
                @Gerald - You seem pretty mixed up in doing simple analysis of simple
                statements. First of all, the US, which I assume u reside i a multi-cultural
                society. By u stating that Africans or African Americans should "return" to
                Africa where "no one will notice them" is very simplistic of your views. YOur
                expeirience with your neigbours clearly shows what kind of culture has evolved
                over the years. But tell me my friend, why is the affirmitive action still on?
                Is it a false joy ride by the minorities?

            • Gość: . Cierpisz,Bantu,na kompleksy i manie przesladowcza. IP: *.range81-156.btcentralplus.com 23.10.04, 02:42
              1) Jestes czarny i nie radze ci sie wybielac, bo wyjdzie z ciebie jakis
              M.Jackson, a bez wybielania jestescie piekna rasa. Masz co do tego jakies
              watpliwosci, to popatrz na wasze panie.;)
              Z Murzynkiem Bambo sie nie zgodze: tekst - nie negujac, ze Bambo jest czarny
              (bo jak to wmowic dziecku, ze nie jest, jesli nie jest slepe?), podkresla
              wylacznie PODOBIENSTWA uczuc i zachowan polskich i czarnych dzieci. Tez nie
              jestem Polakiem, ale jestem slawista i dlatego obiektywnie moge oceniac pola
              semantyczne slow:"Murzyn" w j. polskim to nie "nigger", co najwyzej "Negro";
              ba...nie ma nawet dzwiekowych skojarzen z "nigger" jak to ostatnie slowo. Nie
              ma, bo - by Murzyna zniewazyc - polska holota uzywa INNYCH
              slow: "szuwaks", "asfalt", ba..."czarna malpa". A wiec zostaw "Murzyna" w
              spokoju wraz z "Murzynkiem Bambo".
              A ten twoj polski znajomy, co sie pytal, czy mozna was zwac Murzynami? Coz,
              glupich nie sieja, sami sie rodza, a chroniczna political correctness jest
              forma choroby umyslowej.
              2) tu sie zgadzamy, o detale sie klocic nie warto. Co najwyzej chce zyczyc
              Afrykanom (tak, bo musle teraz o mieszkancach Afryki, nie zas o czarnych w
              Kanadzie), by nie nasladowali Arabow w zerowaniu na Zachodniej political
              correctness, bo...wy jestescie tu lubiani, wchodzicie bez problemow w Zachodnia
              kulture, nie tworzycie etnicznych gett. I niech tak pozostanie - jest
              partnersko, a wiec PO CO to zmieniac?
              Nie zapomne spotkania z wykladowca z Ghany w hotelu w jednym z uniwersyteckich
              miasteczek polnocnej Anglii - i naszej nocnej dlugiej rozmowy w hotelowym hallu
              o egzystencjalizmie francuskim i literaturze wspolczesnej Zlotego Wybrzeza...
              CZEGO ty czlowieku chcesz wiecej? By was w lektyce nosic? To juz nie
              jest "trendy".
              • Gość: Gerard Nie mozna Ci odmowic wiele racji. Nieudacznik nie IP: *.detroit-19rh16rt-20rh15rt.mi.dial-access.att.net 23.10.04, 03:15
                charkteryzuje koloru skory ale jakosc umyslu. Mwanji ma wyrazny problem z
                kolorem swej skory i jakoscia umyslu.
                Jak zaczynalem studia w USA to spotkalem bardzo agresywnego Murzyna
                amerykanskiego. Tez mi tlumaczyl w gronie innych studentow, ze Afrykanie
                (oczywiscie czarnoskorzy) rozpoczeli matematyke. Zgodzilem sie z nim, co
                przyjal jak wyrok, bo myslal, ze sie z tym nie zgodze. Jak dodalem jednak, ze
                po odkryciu 2+2=4 nie posuneli sie dalej, zszarzal; myslalem, ze mnie walnie i
                odszedl. Nie rozumie glupol do dzisiaj pewnie, ze nie lubie rasistow
                niezaleznie od koloru ich skory.
                Mnie nikt nie musi udowadniac, ktora rasa jest lepsza. Patrze zawsze jakim kto
                jest czlowiekiem indywidualnie i tyle.
                • Gość: Mwangi Njagi Re: Nie mozna Ci odmowic wiele racji. Nieudacznik IP: *.cable.mindspring.com 23.10.04, 19:11
                  Guys, It seems u are being oversensitive or maybe I've been mis-understood or
                  maybe, my experiences were pure concidental in a consecutive fashion.

                  If I have caused a ripple in the effect of me being a racist, then my apologies.
                  I am not and will never, because I believe it's the lowest position any human
                  can fall, to judge by the color and not the character of their content , as
                  stated by Dr. Martin Luther King in his "I have a dream".

                  The truth is that My Polish experiences gave me a different signal than you guys
                  try to put across and in as much as there are bad people in any society, when u
                  get 70% of the population you intereact with (which seems to be the educated
                  lot) having such views, you tend to look for forums to confirm your findings.
                  And that was exactly what I was doing.

                  But as you can see from the replies of some of you, it leaves a lot to be
                  desired and lots of expectations. I am not mudslinging or dealing with hear say...
    • Gość: Napirai Re: BBC o samopoczuciu mieszkańców Afryki IP: *.vline.pl 07.11.04, 22:43
      Połowa Kenijczyków chce wyjechac ze swojego kraju ,ja nastomiast wybieram sie
      do Kenii na stale.W kazdym razie marze o tym :))) Viva Africa Mama !
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