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IP: 168.103.126.* 26.04.02, 23:48
Teenagers shot by Israelis, then run over with a tank
After their mutilated bodies are returned, families of three teenagers struggle
to understand why they attacked Jewish settlers
By Robert Fisk in Gaza City
26 April 2002
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Two of the schoolboys were 14, the other was 15; they were internet surfers in
the local cyber cafe, one of them idling his hours away drawing children's
cartoons; all three were football enthusiasts. Hours after they had been shot
dead by the Israeli army near the Jewish settlement of Netzarim, their fathers
received the three young bodies. They had been driven over by an armoured
vehicle which ­ in 14-year-old Ismail Abu-Nadi's case ­ cut his corpse in half.

Knife-wielding suicide bombers approaching the Jewish settlement, according to
the Israeli army and, of course, The New York Times. But even Hamas, creator of
the vicious Palestinian campaign of suicide bombing, admits that the three
schoolchildren ­ all ninth-graders in the Salahadin School in Gaza City ­ had
naively planned to attack the settlement of their own accord and with, at most,
knives. It urged preachers and schoolteachers to tell children that they should
never embark on such wild schemes again.

And when the three boys' fathers talked to The Independent yesterday, they told
a story of waste and tragedy and childhood anger at Israel's bloody invasion of
the Jenin refugee camp. "I spent all last night asking myself why my son did
this,'' Mohamed Abu-Nadi told me as we sat among mourners outside his middle-
class home. "Did Ismail need money? No. Did he fail at school? No. He was first
in his class. Were there problems with his family or friends? No. I asked
myself the same questions over and over. Why? Can you tell me?''

It's a painful question to be asked by a distraught father, a highly educated
civil engineer. Did Ismail want to die? His father said this would have been
impossible until "three or four months ago''. That was when the schoolboy, born
in Abu Dhabi and a fluent English speaker, began to ask his father why the
Palestinians were given no outside help in their struggle for a state. "He
asked me: 'Why is it that only the Palestinians cannot have a state? Why
doesn't America help? Why don't the other Arab states help?'."

Bassem Zaqout, the father of 15-year-old Yussef ­ none of the fathers have met,
though their sons all attended the same school ­ also thought the Jenin
bloodbath influenced his son.

"When I came back from evening prayers on Tuesday, he had left the house," he
said. "I had no idea why. Now I think the boys were walking towards the Jewish
settlement with some kind of idea of attacking the Israelis there, but he never
touched a weapon. When we got his body back yesterday, it was in a terrible
state. Dogs had been at it in the night and his face was unrecognisable because
it had been crushed by a heavy vehicle driving over it."

Adel Hamdona's 14-year-old son Anwar was returned to him in a similar
condition. The father's description was cold, emotionless. "He didn't have a
face. His legs had been severed. He had been driven over several times and had
been pretty well disembowelled.''

Anwar's body, too, had been gnawed by dogs. Mr Hamdona said: "He was just a
boy, a child. I am a teacher at his school. At five in the evening, he told his
mother he was going to an internet cafe to surf the net. When he hadn't come
home by nine, I felt something was wrong. Then we heard shooting from
Netzarim."

And there's a clue as to why Mr Hamdona felt that "something was wrong". For
Anwar had begun talking to his family about "martyrdom". "The events here had
an effect on the boy. He was always talking about the suicide operations, about
martyrs and the concept of martyrdom. He used to want to become a martyr. I had
a suspicion that a few years later, when he grew up, he might do this ­ but not
now."

Ismail left what appears to be a farewell note to his parents. "One of his
friends brought me a paper he had written," his father acknowledged after
talking of his son's education and his puzzlement at the world's abandonment of
Palestinians. "On the paper, Ismail had written: 'My father, my mother, please
try to pray to God and to ask for me to succeed to enter Netzarim and to kill
the Israeli soldiers and to drive them from our land'.

"I could not believe this. At his age, any other boy ­ and I've been to England,
the United States, India, Pakistan ­ yes any other boy just wants to be
educated, to be happy, to earn money, to be at peace. But our children here
cannot find peace."

As for the condition of the bodies, none of the fathers wished to speculate on
the reasons. Would the Israelis deliberately mutilate the bodies? It seems
unlikely. Or did they, after shooting the three schoolboys, avoid the risk that
one may be still alive ­ and with a bomb still waiting to go off ­ by driving
over their remains? And when their bodies were crushed, were they all dead?


    • Gość: wieslaw6 Re: nastolatki zastrzelone, a potem zmiazdzone czolgie IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 27.04.02, 00:05
      Gość portalu: independ napisał(a):

      "independet" to sa u ciebie paluszki od rozumu.

      Te dzieciatka maja zazwyczaj na sobie majteczki z trotylu.
      Mialbys ochote na rozbrajanie tych bomb co mieli na sobie?

      W

      > Teenagers shot by Israelis, then run over with a tank
      > After their mutilated bodies are returned, families of three teenagers struggle
      >
      > to understand why they attacked Jewish settlers
      > By Robert Fisk in Gaza City
      > 26 April 2002
      > Internal links
      >
      > Arafat stages trial of four wanted for Ze'evi assassination
      >
      > Saudis threaten 'oil weapon' in talks to pressure Bush
      >
      > Palestinian teenagers leave Bethlehem church
      >
      > Middle East crisis blamed for surge in anti-Semitic attacks
      > Two of the schoolboys were 14, the other was 15; they were internet surfers in
      > the local cyber cafe, one of them idling his hours away drawing children's
      > cartoons; all three were football enthusiasts. Hours after they had been shot
      > dead by the Israeli army near the Jewish settlement of Netzarim, their fathers
      > received the three young bodies. They had been driven over by an armoured
      > vehicle which ­ in 14-year-old Ismail Abu-Nadi's case ­ cut his corpse in half.
      >
      > Knife-wielding suicide bombers approaching the Jewish settlement, according to
      > the Israeli army and, of course, The New York Times. But even Hamas, creator of
      >
      > the vicious Palestinian campaign of suicide bombing, admits that the three
      > schoolchildren ­ all ninth-graders in the Salahadin School in Gaza City ­ had
      > naively planned to attack the settlement of their own accord and with, at most,
      >
      > knives. It urged preachers and schoolteachers to tell children that they should
      >
      > never embark on such wild schemes again.
      >
      > And when the three boys' fathers talked to The Independent yesterday, they told
      >
      > a story of waste and tragedy and childhood anger at Israel's bloody invasion of
      >
      > the Jenin refugee camp. "I spent all last night asking myself why my son did
      > this,'' Mohamed Abu-Nadi told me as we sat among mourners outside his middle-
      > class home. "Did Ismail need money? No. Did he fail at school? No. He was first
      >
      > in his class. Were there problems with his family or friends? No. I asked
      > myself the same questions over and over. Why? Can you tell me?''
      >
      > It's a painful question to be asked by a distraught father, a highly educated
      > civil engineer. Did Ismail want to die? His father said this would have been
      > impossible until "three or four months ago''. That was when the schoolboy, born
      >
      > in Abu Dhabi and a fluent English speaker, began to ask his father why the
      > Palestinians were given no outside help in their struggle for a state. "He
      > asked me: 'Why is it that only the Palestinians cannot have a state? Why
      > doesn't America help? Why don't the other Arab states help?'."
      >
      > Bassem Zaqout, the father of 15-year-old Yussef ­ none of the fathers have met,
      >
      > though their sons all attended the same school ­ also thought the Jenin
      > bloodbath influenced his son.
      >
      > "When I came back from evening prayers on Tuesday, he had left the house," he
      > said. "I had no idea why. Now I think the boys were walking towards the Jewish
      > settlement with some kind of idea of attacking the Israelis there, but he never
      >
      > touched a weapon. When we got his body back yesterday, it was in a terrible
      > state. Dogs had been at it in the night and his face was unrecognisable because
      >
      > it had been crushed by a heavy vehicle driving over it."
      >
      > Adel Hamdona's 14-year-old son Anwar was returned to him in a similar
      > condition. The father's description was cold, emotionless. "He didn't have a
      > face. His legs had been severed. He had been driven over several times and had
      > been pretty well disembowelled.''
      >
      > Anwar's body, too, had been gnawed by dogs. Mr Hamdona said: "He was just a
      > boy, a child. I am a teacher at his school. At five in the evening, he told his
      >
      > mother he was going to an internet cafe to surf the net. When he hadn't come
      > home by nine, I felt something was wrong. Then we heard shooting from
      > Netzarim."
      >
      > And there's a clue as to why Mr Hamdona felt that "something was wrong". For
      > Anwar had begun talking to his family about "martyrdom". "The events here had
      > an effect on the boy. He was always talking about the suicide operations, about
      >
      > martyrs and the concept of martyrdom. He used to want to become a martyr. I had
      >
      > a suspicion that a few years later, when he grew up, he might do this ­ but not
      >
      > now."
      >
      > Ismail left what appears to be a farewell note to his parents. "One of his
      > friends brought me a paper he had written," his father acknowledged after
      > talking of his son's education and his puzzlement at the world's abandonment of
      >
      > Palestinians. "On the paper, Ismail had written: 'My father, my mother, please
      > try to pray to God and to ask for me to succeed to enter Netzarim and to kill
      > the Israeli soldiers and to drive them from our land'.
      >
      > "I could not believe this. At his age, any other boy ­ and I've been to England
      > ,
      > the United States, India, Pakistan ­ yes any other boy just wants to be
      > educated, to be happy, to earn money, to be at peace. But our children here
      > cannot find peace."
      >
      > As for the condition of the bodies, none of the fathers wished to speculate on
      > the reasons. Would the Israelis deliberately mutilate the bodies? It seems
      > unlikely. Or did they, after shooting the three schoolboys, avoid the risk that
      >
      > one may be still alive ­ and with a bomb still waiting to go off ­ by driving
      > over their remains? And when their bodies were crushed, were they all dead?
      >
      >

      • Gość: Hycel Re: nastolatki zastrzelone, a potem zmiazdzone czolgie IP: *.planetsky.com / 212.98.145.* 27.04.02, 00:28
        Udajesz dyskutanta Wiesiek,ale z ciebie to nic tylko wsiekle zwierze-
        hiena !!!!
        Tfu!!
        • Gość: jojo Re: nastolatki zastrzelone, a potem zmiazdzone czolgie IP: *.proxy.aol.com 27.04.02, 00:43
          Gość portalu: Hycel napisał(a):

          > Udajesz dyskutanta Wiesiek,ale z ciebie to nic tylko wsiekle zwierze-
          > hiena !!!!
          > Tfu!!

          Odwal sie od tego czlowieka,chamie ! Przeciez jestes tu dopiero od 2-och miesiecy
          glupku i ludzi nie poznales,jak nalezy !
          • Gość: wieslaw6 Re: nastolatki zastrzelone, a potem zmiazdzone czolgie IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 27.04.02, 00:47
            Gość portalu: jojo napisał(a):

            > Gość portalu: Hycel napisał(a):
            >
            > > Udajesz dyskutanta Wiesiek,ale z ciebie to nic tylko wsiekle zwierze-
            > > hiena !!!!
            > > Tfu!!
            >
            > Odwal sie od tego czlowieka,chamie ! Przeciez jestes tu dopiero od 2-och
            > miesie cy glupku i ludzi nie poznales,jak nalezy !

            Mnie to naprawde nie przeszkadza. Je jestem starym inetrnauta... od 1996 roku.
            Widzialem i czytalem nie takie rzeczy. Poza tym ja cos wiem o histori Bliskogo
            Wschodu i polityce - a tacy jak "88" nie wiele.

            W
        • Gość: wieslaw6 Re: nastolatki zastrzelone, a potem zmiazdzone czolgie IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 27.04.02, 00:46
          Gość portalu: Hycel napisał(a):

          > Udajesz dyskutanta Wiesiek,ale z ciebie to nic tylko wsiekle zwierze-
          > hiena !!!!
          > Tfu!!

          Ja nawet nie usiluje dyskutowac.. bo z kim ? dlatego za zarowno ty jak i reszta
          typ "88" jestes kompletni analfabeci. Nie macie o niczym zieonego pojecia..:))
          W.


          • Gość: jojo Re: nastolatki zastrzelone, a potem zmiazdzone czolgie IP: *.proxy.aol.com 27.04.02, 00:56
            Gość portalu: wieslaw6 napisał(a):

            > Gość portalu: Hycel napisał(a):
            >
            > > Udajesz dyskutanta Wiesiek,ale z ciebie to nic tylko wsiekle zwierze-
            > > hiena !!!!
            > > Tfu!!
            >
            > Ja nawet nie usiluje dyskutowac.. bo z kim ? dlatego za zarowno ty jak i reszta
            >
            > typ "88" jestes kompletni analfabeci. Nie macie o niczym zieonego pojecia..:))
            > W.
            >
            >

            Prawidlowo Pan temu kretynowi odpowiedzial ! Wiecej takich ludzi jak pan,a ta
            glizda,moze wroci tam,skad tutaj wpelzla...
          • maryszka Re: nastolatki zastrzelone, a potem zmiazdzone czolgie 27.04.02, 01:12
            Gość portalu: wieslaw6 napisał(a):

            > Gość portalu: Hycel napisał(a):
            >
            > > Udajesz dyskutanta Wiesiek,ale z ciebie to nic tylko wsiekle zwierze-
            > > hiena !!!!
            > > Tfu!!
            >
            > Ja nawet nie usiluje dyskutowac.. bo z kim ? dlatego za zarowno ty jak i reszta
            > typ "88" jestes kompletni analfabeci. Nie macie o niczym zieonego pojecia..:))
            > W.

            Oczywiscie nasz pan wiesiu intelektualista podnoszacy poziom tego forum wysoce
            lotnymi uwagami o dzieciach w "majteczkach z trotylu" slusznie (a jakze)
            zmiazdzonych przez czolgi.

    • kochanka TAK_PALESTYNCZYCY_WYCHOWUJA_SWOJE_DZIECI!!!!!!!!!! 27.04.02, 00:59

      O czym tu mowic!! ZBOCZENIE JAKIEGO SWIAT IESZCZE NIEWIDZIAL.



      Gość portalu: independ napisał(a):

      > Teenagers shot by Israelis, then run over with a tank
      > After their mutilated bodies are returned, families of three teenagers struggle
      >
      > to understand why they attacked Jewish settlers
      > By Robert Fisk in Gaza City
      > 26 April 2002
      > Internal links
      >
      > Arafat stages trial of four wanted for Ze'evi assassination
      >
      > Saudis threaten 'oil weapon' in talks to pressure Bush
      >
      > Palestinian teenagers leave Bethlehem church
      >
      > Middle East crisis blamed for surge in anti-Semitic attacks
      > Two of the schoolboys were 14, the other was 15; they were internet surfers in
      > the local cyber cafe, one of them idling his hours away drawing children's
      > cartoons; all three were football enthusiasts. Hours after they had been shot
      > dead by the Israeli army near the Jewish settlement of Netzarim, their fathers
      > received the three young bodies. They had been driven over by an armoured
      > vehicle which ­ in 14-year-old Ismail Abu-Nadi's case ­ cut his corpse in half.
      >
      > Knife-wielding suicide bombers approaching the Jewish settlement, according to
      > the Israeli army and, of course, The New York Times. But even Hamas, creator of
      >
      > the vicious Palestinian campaign of suicide bombing, admits that the three
      > schoolchildren ­ all ninth-graders in the Salahadin School in Gaza City ­ had
      > naively planned to attack the settlement of their own accord and with, at most,
      >
      > knives. It urged preachers and schoolteachers to tell children that they should
      >
      > never embark on such wild schemes again.
      >
      > And when the three boys' fathers talked to The Independent yesterday, they told
      >
      > a story of waste and tragedy and childhood anger at Israel's bloody invasion of
      >
      > the Jenin refugee camp. "I spent all last night asking myself why my son did
      > this,'' Mohamed Abu-Nadi told me as we sat among mourners outside his middle-
      > class home. "Did Ismail need money? No. Did he fail at school? No. He was first
      >
      > in his class. Were there problems with his family or friends? No. I asked
      > myself the same questions over and over. Why? Can you tell me?''
      >
      > It's a painful question to be asked by a distraught father, a highly educated
      > civil engineer. Did Ismail want to die? His father said this would have been
      > impossible until "three or four months ago''. That was when the schoolboy, born
      >
      > in Abu Dhabi and a fluent English speaker, began to ask his father why the
      > Palestinians were given no outside help in their struggle for a state. "He
      > asked me: 'Why is it that only the Palestinians cannot have a state? Why
      > doesn't America help? Why don't the other Arab states help?'."
      >
      > Bassem Zaqout, the father of 15-year-old Yussef ­ none of the fathers have met,
      >
      > though their sons all attended the same school ­ also thought the Jenin
      > bloodbath influenced his son.
      >
      > "When I came back from evening prayers on Tuesday, he had left the house," he
      > said. "I had no idea why. Now I think the boys were walking towards the Jewish
      > settlement with some kind of idea of attacking the Israelis there, but he never
      >
      > touched a weapon. When we got his body back yesterday, it was in a terrible
      > state. Dogs had been at it in the night and his face was unrecognisable because
      >
      > it had been crushed by a heavy vehicle driving over it."
      >
      > Adel Hamdona's 14-year-old son Anwar was returned to him in a similar
      > condition. The father's description was cold, emotionless. "He didn't have a
      > face. His legs had been severed. He had been driven over several times and had
      > been pretty well disembowelled.''
      >
      > Anwar's body, too, had been gnawed by dogs. Mr Hamdona said: "He was just a
      > boy, a child. I am a teacher at his school. At five in the evening, he told his
      >
      > mother he was going to an internet cafe to surf the net. When he hadn't come
      > home by nine, I felt something was wrong. Then we heard shooting from
      > Netzarim."
      >
      > And there's a clue as to why Mr Hamdona felt that "something was wrong". For
      > Anwar had begun talking to his family about "martyrdom". "The events here had
      > an effect on the boy. He was always talking about the suicide operations, about
      >
      > martyrs and the concept of martyrdom. He used to want to become a martyr. I had
      >
      > a suspicion that a few years later, when he grew up, he might do this ­ but not
      >
      > now."
      >
      > Ismail left what appears to be a farewell note to his parents. "One of his
      > friends brought me a paper he had written," his father acknowledged after
      > talking of his son's education and his puzzlement at the world's abandonment of
      >
      > Palestinians. "On the paper, Ismail had written: 'My father, my mother, please
      > try to pray to God and to ask for me to succeed to enter Netzarim and to kill
      > the Israeli soldiers and to drive them from our land'.
      >
      > "I could not believe this. At his age, any other boy ­ and I've been to England
      > ,
      > the United States, India, Pakistan ­ yes any other boy just wants to be
      > educated, to be happy, to earn money, to be at peace. But our children here
      > cannot find peace."
      >
      > As for the condition of the bodies, none of the fathers wished to speculate on
      > the reasons. Would the Israelis deliberately mutilate the bodies? It seems
      > unlikely. Or did they, after shooting the three schoolboys, avoid the risk that
      >
      > one may be still alive ­ and with a bomb still waiting to go off ­ by driving
      > over their remains? And when their bodies were crushed, were they all dead?
      >
      >

    • Gość: 88 ROBERT FISK IS THE BEST !!! IP: *.marketscore.com, / 10.100.2.* 27.04.02, 01:12
      Czytam artykulu Fiska juz od kilku lat i musze powiedziec , ze jest on
      jednym z najleprzych dziennikarzy piszacych na temat konfliktu
      zydo-Palestynskiego.

      wiecej takich artykulow mozna znalezc pod
      www.zmag.org
      • Gość: jojo Re: ROBERT FISK IS THE BEST !!! IP: *.proxy.aol.com 27.04.02, 01:24
        Gość portalu: 88 napisał(a):

        > Czytam artykulu Fiska juz od kilku lat i musze powiedziec , ze jest on
        > jednym z najleprzych dziennikarzy piszacych na temat konfliktu
        > zydo-Palestynskiego.
        >
        > wiecej takich artykulow mozna znalezc pod
        > www.zmag.org

        Nie mam czasu na ich znajdowowywanie! Napisz to sam,ty kaczadupo !
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