USA - niemal kazdy glosowal na Kerry

IP: *.nycmny83.covad.net 04.11.04, 19:20
i ludzie sie dziwia - jak to sie stalo ze Bush wygral!

New York City Bewildered by Election Results
Posted Nov 4, 2004 10:00 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Across the nation, people are saying the same thing. Almost everyone they
know voted for Kerry, so how did Bush win?
Was the election rigged?

Editor's Note | A centerpiece of the Bush campaign was their claim that Bush
was the best man to keep America safe from another terrorist attack. It is
worthwhile to note, therefore, the reaction of the city of New York to the
election results on Tuesday. This great city, which absorbed the horrific
blow of 9/11, did not think Bush was the right man for the job. - wrp

Go to Original

A Blue City (Disconsolate, Even) Bewildered by a Red America
By Joseph Berger
The New York Times

Thursday 04 November 2004

Striking a characteristic New York pose near Lincoln Center yesterday,
Beverly Camhe clutched three morning newspapers to her chest while balancing
a large latte and talked about how disconsolate she was to realize that not
only had her candidate, John Kerry, lost but that she and her city were so
out of step with the rest of the country.

"Do you know how I described New York to my European friends?" she
said. "New York is an island off the coast of Europe."

Like Ms. Camhe, a film producer, three of every four voters in New York
City gave Mr. Kerry their vote, a starkly different choice from the rest of
the nation. So they awoke yesterday with something of a woozy existential
hangover and had to confront once again how much of a 51st State they are,
different in their sensibilities, lifestyles and polyglot texture from most
of America. The election seemed to reverse the perspective of the famous Saul
Steinberg cartoon, with much of the land mass of America now in the
foreground and New York a tiny, distant and irrelevant dot.

Some New Yorkers, like Meredith Hackett, a 25-year-old barmaid in Brooklyn,
said they didn't even know any people who had voted for President Bush. (In
both Manhattan and the Bronx, Mr. Bush received 16.7 percent of the vote.)
Others spoke of a feeling of isolation from their fellow Americans, a sense
that perhaps Middle America doesn't care as much about New York and its
animating concerns as it seemed to in the weeks immediately after the attack
on the World Trade Center.

"Everybody seems to hate us these days," said Zito Joseph, a 63-year-old
retired psychiatrist. "None of the people who are likely to be hit by a
terrorist attack voted for Bush. But the heartland people seemed to be
saying, 'We're not affected by it if there would be another terrorist
attack.' "

City residents talked about this chasm between outlooks with characteristic
New York bluntness.

Dr. Joseph, a bearded, broad-shouldered man with silken gray hair, was
sharing coffee and cigarettes with his fellow dog walker, Roberta Kimmel
Cohn, at an outdoor table outside the hole-in-the-wall Breadsoul Cafe near
Lincoln Center. The site was almost a cliché corner of cosmopolitan
Manhattan, with a newsstand next door selling French and Italian newspapers
and, a bit farther down, the Lincoln Plaza theater showing foreign movies.

"I'm saddened by what I feel is the obtuseness and shortsightedness of a
good part of the country - the heartland," Dr. Joseph said. "This kind of
redneck, shoot-from-the-hip mentality and a very concrete interpretation of
religion is prevalent in Bush country - in the heartland."

"New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where
we realize we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what's
going to injure masses of people is not good for us," he said.

His friend, Ms. Cohn, a native of Wisconsin who deals in art, contended
that New Yorkers were not as fooled by Mr. Bush's statements as other
Americans might be. "New Yorkers are savvy," she said. "We have street
smarts. Whereas people in the Midwest are more influenced by what their
friends say."

"They're very 1950's," she said of Midwesterners. "When I go back there, I
feel I'm in a time warp."

Dr. Joseph acknowledged that such attitudes could feed into the perception
that New Yorkers are cultural elitists, but he didn't apologize for it.

"People who are more competitive and proficient at what they do tend to
gravitate toward cities," he said.

Like those in the rest of the country, New Yorkers stayed up late watching
the results, and some went to bed with a glimmer of hope that Mr. Kerry might
yet find victory in some fortuitous combination of battleground states. But
they awoke to reality. Some politically conscious children were disheartened -
or sleepy - enough to ask parents if they could stay home. But even grownups
were unnerved.

"To paraphrase our current president, I'm in shock and awe," said Keithe
Sales, a 58-year-old former publishing administrator walking a dog near
Central Park. He said he and friends shared a feeling of "disempowerment" as
a result of the country's choice of President Bush. "There is a feeling
of 'What do I have to do to get this man out of office?'''

In downtown Brooklyn, J. J. Murphy, 34, a teacher, said that Mr. Kerry's
loss underscored the geographic divide between the Northeast and the rest of
the country. He harked back to Reconstruction to help explain his point.

"One thing Clinton and Gore had going for them was they were from the
South," he said. "There's a lot of resentment toward the Northeast
carpetbagger stereotype, and Kerry fit right in to that."

Mr. Murphy said he understood why Mr. Bush appealed to Southerners in a way
that he did not appeal to New Yorkers.

"Even though Bush isn't one of them - he's a son of privilege - he comes
off as just a good old boy," Mr. Murphy said.

Pondering the disparity, Bret Adams, a 33-year-old computer network
administrator in Rego Park, Queens, said, "I think a lot of the country sees
New York as a wild and crazy place, where these things like the war protests
happen."

Ms. Camhe, the film producer, frequents Elaine's restaurant with friends
and spends many mornings on a bench in Central Park talking politics with
homeless people with whom she's become acquainted. She spent part of Tuesday
knocking on doors in Pennsylvania to rustle up Kerry votes then returned to
Manhattan to attend an election-night party thrown by Miramax's chairman,
Harvey Weinstein, at The Palm. Ms. Camhe was also up much of the night
talking to a son in California who was depressed at the election results.

When it became clear yesterday morning that the outlook for a Kerry
squeaker was a mirage, she was unable to eat breakfast. Her doorman on
Central Park West gave her a consoling hug. Then a friend buying coffee along
with her said she had just heard a report on television that Mr. Kerry had
conceded and tears welled in Ms. Camhe's eyes.

Ms. Camhe explained the habits and beliefs of those dwelling in the
heartland like an anthropologist.

"What's different about New York City is it tends to bring people together
and so we can't ignore each others' dreams and values and it creates a much
more inclusive consciousness," she said. "When you're in a more isolated
environment, you're more susceptible to some ideology that's imposed on you."

As an example, Ms. Camhe offered the different attitudes New Yorkers may
have about social issues like gay marriage.

"We live in this marvelous diversity where we actually have gay neighbors,"
she said. "They're not some vilified unknown. They're our neighbors."

But she said that a dichotomy of outlooks was bad for the country.

"If the heartland feels so alienated from us, then it behooves us to wrap
our arms around the heartland," she said. "We need to bring o
    • neceser Kerry nie protestuje ale ty wiesz lepiej 04.11.04, 19:22
      tepa polska mordo.Gość portalu: WRH/ NYTimes napisał(a):

      ) i ludzie sie dziwia - jak to sie stalo ze Bush wygral!
      )
      ) New York City Bewildered by Election Results
      ) Posted Nov 4, 2004 10:00 AM PST
      ) Category: VOTE FRAUD
      ) Across the nation, people are saying the same thing. Almost everyone they
      ) know voted for Kerry, so how did Bush win?
      ) Was the election rigged?
      )
      ) Editor's Note | A centerpiece of the Bush campaign was their claim that Bush
      ) was the best man to keep America safe from another terrorist attack. It is
      ) worthwhile to note, therefore, the reaction of the city of New York to the
      ) election results on Tuesday. This great city, which absorbed the horrific
      ) blow of 9/11, did not think Bush was the right man for the job. - wrp
      )
      ) Go to Original
      )
      ) A Blue City (Disconsolate, Even) Bewildered by a Red America
      ) By Joseph Berger
      ) The New York Times
      )
      ) Thursday 04 November 2004
      )
      ) Striking a characteristic New York pose near Lincoln Center yesterday,
      ) Beverly Camhe clutched three morning newspapers to her chest while balancing
      ) a large latte and talked about how disconsolate she was to realize that not
      ) only had her candidate, John Kerry, lost but that she and her city were so
      ) out of step with the rest of the country.
      )
      ) "Do you know how I described New York to my European friends?" she
      ) said. "New York is an island off the coast of Europe."
      )
      ) Like Ms. Camhe, a film producer, three of every four voters in New York
      ) City gave Mr. Kerry their vote, a starkly different choice from the rest of
      ) the nation. So they awoke yesterday with something of a woozy existential
      ) hangover and had to confront once again how much of a 51st State they are,
      ) different in their sensibilities, lifestyles and polyglot texture from most
      ) of America. The election seemed to reverse the perspective of the famous Saul
      ) Steinberg cartoon, with much of the land mass of America now in the
      ) foreground and New York a tiny, distant and irrelevant dot.
      )
      ) Some New Yorkers, like Meredith Hackett, a 25-year-old barmaid in Brooklyn,
      ) said they didn't even know any people who had voted for President Bush. (In
      ) both Manhattan and the Bronx, Mr. Bush received 16.7 percent of the vote.)
      ) Others spoke of a feeling of isolation from their fellow Americans, a sense
      ) that perhaps Middle America doesn't care as much about New York and its
      ) animating concerns as it seemed to in the weeks immediately after the attack
      ) on the World Trade Center.
      )
      ) "Everybody seems to hate us these days," said Zito Joseph, a 63-year-old
      ) retired psychiatrist. "None of the people who are likely to be hit by a
      ) terrorist attack voted for Bush. But the heartland people seemed to be
      ) saying, 'We're not affected by it if there would be another terrorist
      ) attack.' "
      )
      ) City residents talked about this chasm between outlooks with characteristic
      ) New York bluntness.
      )
      ) Dr. Joseph, a bearded, broad-shouldered man with silken gray hair, was
      ) sharing coffee and cigarettes with his fellow dog walker, Roberta Kimmel
      ) Cohn, at an outdoor table outside the hole-in-the-wall Breadsoul Cafe near
      ) Lincoln Center. The site was almost a cliché corner of cosmopolitan
      ) Manhattan, with a newsstand next door selling French and Italian newspapers
      ) and, a bit farther down, the Lincoln Plaza theater showing foreign movies.
      )
      ) "I'm saddened by what I feel is the obtuseness and shortsightedness of a
      ) good part of the country - the heartland," Dr. Joseph said. "This kind of
      ) redneck, shoot-from-the-hip mentality and a very concrete interpretation of
      ) religion is prevalent in Bush country - in the heartland."
      )
      ) "New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where
      ) we realize we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what's
      ) going to injure masses of people is not good for us," he said.
      )
      ) His friend, Ms. Cohn, a native of Wisconsin who deals in art, contended
      ) that New Yorkers were not as fooled by Mr. Bush's statements as other
      ) Americans might be. "New Yorkers are savvy," she said. "We have street
      ) smarts. Whereas people in the Midwest are more influenced by what their
      ) friends say."
      )
      ) "They're very 1950's," she said of Midwesterners. "When I go back there, I
      ) feel I'm in a time warp."
      )
      ) Dr. Joseph acknowledged that such attitudes could feed into the perception
      ) that New Yorkers are cultural elitists, but he didn't apologize for it.
      )
      ) "People who are more competitive and proficient at what they do tend to
      ) gravitate toward cities," he said.
      )
      ) Like those in the rest of the country, New Yorkers stayed up late watching
      ) the results, and some went to bed with a glimmer of hope that Mr. Kerry might
      ) yet find victory in some fortuitous combination of battleground states. But
      ) they awoke to reality. Some politically conscious children were disheartened -
      ) or sleepy - enough to ask parents if they could stay home. But even grownups
      ) were unnerved.
      )
      ) "To paraphrase our current president, I'm in shock and awe," said Keithe
      ) Sales, a 58-year-old former publishing administrator walking a dog near
      ) Central Park. He said he and friends shared a feeling of "disempowerment" as
      ) a result of the country's choice of President Bush. "There is a feeling
      ) of 'What do I have to do to get this man out of office?'''
      )
      ) In downtown Brooklyn, J. J. Murphy, 34, a teacher, said that Mr. Kerry's
      ) loss underscored the geographic divide between the Northeast and the rest of
      ) the country. He harked back to Reconstruction to help explain his point.
      )
      ) "One thing Clinton and Gore had going for them was they were from the
      ) South," he said. "There's a lot of resentment toward the Northeast
      ) carpetbagger stereotype, and Kerry fit right in to that."
      )
      ) Mr. Murphy said he understood why Mr. Bush appealed to Southerners in a way
      ) that he did not appeal to New Yorkers.
      )
      ) "Even though Bush isn't one of them - he's a son of privilege - he comes
      ) off as just a good old boy," Mr. Murphy said.
      )
      ) Pondering the disparity, Bret Adams, a 33-year-old computer network
      ) administrator in Rego Park, Queens, said, "I think a lot of the country sees
      ) New York as a wild and crazy place, where these things like the war protests
      ) happen."
      )
      ) Ms. Camhe, the film producer, frequents Elaine's restaurant with friends
      ) and spends many mornings on a bench in Central Park talking politics with
      ) homeless people with whom she's become acquainted. She spent part of Tuesday
      ) knocking on doors in Pennsylvania to rustle up Kerry votes then returned to
      ) Manhattan to attend an election-night party thrown by Miramax's chairman,
      ) Harvey Weinstein, at The Palm. Ms. Camhe was also up much of the night
      ) talking to a son in California who was depressed at the election results.
      )
      ) When it became clear yesterday morning that the outlook for a Kerry
      ) squeaker was a mirage, she was unable to eat breakfast. Her doorman on
      ) Central Park West gave her a consoling hug. Then a friend buying coffee along
      ) with her said she had just heard a report on television that Mr. Kerry had
      ) conceded and tears welled in Ms. Camhe's eyes.
      )
      ) Ms. Camhe explained the habits and beliefs of those dwelling in the
      ) heartland like an anthropologist.
      )
      ) "What's different about New York City is it tends to bring people together
      ) and so we can't ignore each others' dreams and values and it creates a much
      ) more inclusive consciousness," she sa
      • Gość: a Re: neceser- aktywista na dyzurze IP: *.nycmny83.covad.net 04.11.04, 19:29
        jezyk wyjety wprost z repertuary buszownikow
      • Gość: Tysprowda Re: Kerry nie protestuje ale ty wiesz lepiej IP: 193.188.161.* 05.11.04, 16:55
        Ty tepa amerykansynska mordo buszolomska, tez bys nie protestowal, jakby cie
        sterroryzowali.....
    • Gość: a Re: skradzione wybory - teraz protesty IP: *.nycmny83.covad.net 04.11.04, 22:06
      www.unitedforpeace.org/calendar.php?caltype=26&lcountry=USA&state=Select%20A%20State&bydate%5Bmonth%5D=10&bydate%5Bday%5D=12&bydate%5Byear%
      5D=2004&Search=Search
      • kropekuk W przeciwienstwie do Kerry'ego losers nie potrafia 04.11.04, 22:13
        przegrywac. Wstyd!
    • Gość: Redneck Indeed, I have little in common with New Yorkers IP: *.client.comcast.net 04.11.04, 22:10
      Leftist scum...
    • Gość: Gucio W jaki sposob ukradziono elekcje Kerremu IP: *.bmts.com / 63.105.65.* 04.11.04, 22:14
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      > Nalezy rozpoczac od aksjomatu ze Bush byl wybranym na ponowna kadencje
      daleko przed wyborami. Masoni stanowia Rzad Swiatowy i oni decyduja o
      wyborach, szczegolnie w Ameryce.

      > A tutaj znajdziecie opis mechaniki oszustwa:

      >www.newstarget.com/002076.html
      >ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm
      >www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/031104dontmatch.htm
      >www.accuracy.org/press_releases/PR110304.htm
      >theadvertiser.com/news/html/2C3B7C2C-9C87-4523-A9E6-CCC9769A2FD7.shtml
      >www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3142vote_stealing.html
      >www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/031104fraudinohio.htm
      >www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html
      >www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

      > Oczywiscie Kerry musial zrezygnowac z przeliczania glosow, kiedy to Masoni
      zagrozili Jemu utrata majatku Jego zony.....

      • Gość: ~:) Re: W jaki sposob ukradziono elekcje Kerremu IP: *.client.comcast.net 04.11.04, 23:03
        > > Oczywiscie Kerry musial zrezygnowac z przeliczania glosow, kiedy to Mason
        > i
        > zagrozili Jemu utrata majatku Jego zony.....

        Materialista! Sprzedał ideę za dobra materialne!
        • Gość: mm Re: reakcja Michael Moore IP: *.nycmny83.covad.net 05.11.04, 16:26
          11/5/04

          Dear Friends,

          Ok, it sucks. Really sucks. But before you go and cash it all in, let's, in
          the words of Monty Python, 'always look on the bright side of life!' There
          IS some good news from Tuesday's election.

          Here are 17 reasons not to slit your wrists:

          1. It is against the law for George W. Bush to run for president again.

          2. Bush's victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting president since
          Woodrow Wilson in 1916.

          3. The only age group in which the majority voted for Kerry was young adults
          (Kerry: 54%, Bush: 44%), proving once again that your parents are always
          wrong and you should never listen to them.

          4. In spite of Bush's win, the majority of Americans still think the
          country is headed in the wrong direction (56%), think the war wasn't worth
          fighting (51%), and don't approve of the job George W. Bush is doing (52%).
          (Note to foreigners: Don't try to figure this one out. It's an American thing,
          like Pop Tarts.)

          5. The Republicans will not have a filibuster-proof 60-seat majority in the
          Senate. If the Democrats do their job, Bush won't be able to pack the
          Supreme Court with right-wing ideologues. Did I say "if the Democrats do
          their job?" Um, maybe better to scratch this one.

          6. Michigan voted for Kerry! So did the entire Northeast, the birthplace of
          our democracy. So did 6 of the 8 Great Lakes States. And the whole West
          Coast! Plus Hawaii. Ok, that's a start. We've got most of the fresh water,
          all of Broadway, and Mt. St. Helens. We can dehydrate them or bury them in
          lava. And no more show tunes!

          7. Once again we are reminded that the buckeye is a nut, and not just any
          old nut
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