co dalej Ameryko?

13.01.05, 20:44
zawsze bylem proamerykanski, wychowalem sie w swego rodzaju kulcie Reagana
przeciwstawiajacego sie sowieckiego imperium zła

popieralem wojnę w Iraku, bowiem uwierzylem,ze CIA ma dowody na obecność broni
MR wIraku, że ma swiadectwa ze Irakijczycy wyczekują na interwencje

teraz odczuwam jednak pewne zażenowanie
nie wiem co o tym myslec

a teraz jeszcze to:
www.lepszyswiat.home.pl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=191
www.lepszyswiat.home.pl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=113
nie wierze w teorie spisku, ale powoli trace pewność
mama nardzieje ze nie dopadnie mnie syndromi bimiego
    • Gość: rachelka Re: co dalej Ameryko? IP: *.twcny.rr.com 13.01.05, 20:48
      nie ty jeden masz watpliwosci w wielkosc i swietnosc ameryki. niestety nie mozna
      zyc mitami,przeszloscia czy zaslepieniem,gdyz wtedy czlowiek nie widzi tego co
      dzieje sie na codzien. interpretacja zdarzen jest dokladnie dowolna, a prawda
      jak zawsze jest jedna,tyle,ze niewygodna dla rzadzacych i dla ich slepych czcicieli.
      • Gość: roman WARTO ODPOWIEDZIEC SOBIE NA PYTANIA PONIZEJ IP: *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 13.01.05, 22:11
        • Why did the Bush administration say it didn't anticipate the Sept. 11
        attacks when the CIA and FBI had repeatedly told it al-Qaida was planning to
        hijack planes and fly them into U.S. targets, including the World Trade Center
        and the Pentagon?

        * Why were standard procedures that could have prevented the tragedy not
        followed when the four hijacked planes went off course, including immediately
        sending up jet fighters to shoot down passenger planes that fail to obey
        orders?

        * Why has there been no physical evidence a jet plane crashed into the
        Pentagon? Independent onlookers say they saw a missile fly into the building.
        Video evidence shot by a nearby gas station's security cameras was confiscated
        by government officials.

        * Why did Bush, despite knowing about first one, then two, World Trade Center
        crashes, delay his response to them for up to 30 minutes and instead continue
        to read a children's book? Why was he not whisked away by his security agents,
        who are trained to believe he's a logical target of terrorists?

        * Who made tens of millions of dollars by betting on the stock market in the
        weeks before Sept. 11 that shares in the two airlines that owned the hijacked
        planes were about to plummet?

    • Gość: aki nie wychowałem sie w kulcie usa ale.... IP: *.protonet.pl 13.01.05, 21:05
      nie za bardzo wierzę w te rewelacje
      • Gość: roman KOSZT WOJNY W IRAKU 5.8BIL$/MIESIAC <a href="http://www.mil" targe IP: *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 13.01.05, 22:14
        KOSZT WOJNY W IRAKU 5.8BIL$/MIESIAC
        www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_cost_111804,00.html?ESRC=eb.n
    • Gość: DODI HAMAS, HAMAS, JUDE RAUS . IP: 64.246.58.* 13.01.05, 21:57
      HAMAS, HAMAS, JUDE RAUS
      Z POLSKI.
    • Gość: MN NAPASC NA IRAQ: TU NIE CHODZI O NAFTE GLUPCY IP: 69.44.57.* 13.01.05, 21:59
      NAPASC NA IRAQ: TU NIE CHODZI O NAFTE GLUPCY

      The Iraqi War:
      It's not about the oil, stupid!
      by David Duke
      Broadcast Date 11-29-2002
      www.davidduke.com/radio

      Representative David Duke at Al-Jazeera Satellite Network in Qatar

      I just returned from Bahrain and Qatar. In Qatar I appeared on one of the most-
      watched television satellite channels in the world, Al-Jazeera. An audience of
      70 million saw and listened to me expose the Jewish supremacist traitors in the
      U.S. Government who have sold out America to Israel. In violation of the United
      States Constitution, the Jewish-dominated U.S. State Department actually
      protested my appearance and tried to suppress my freedom of speech as an
      American citizen. More on that a little later, but first, I want to turn to one
      of the big lies about the coming war on Iraq, that lie is that Big Oil
      interests, rather than the Zionists, are behind the planned war.

      The Zionists are masters at deception. Like the bait-and-switch sales tactics
      of American retail giants, some elements of the Jewish-dominated media in
      America have floated the idea that the coming war in Iraq is about oil.
      Sounding like a genuine dissident viewpoint, some patriots have unwittingly
      help spread this myth. One antiwar pundit adopted this theory and
      headlined, "It's about oil, stupid!"

      These claims were originated simply to deflect the blame for the war from
      Israel and its fifth column in America. The warmongers anxiously want this war
      NOT to appear to be the result of the Israeli Fifth Column trying to strike
      down Israel's enemies one by one. By floating the idea that the war is about
      oil, a resource vital to America and Europe, the suggestion is that somehow it
      is in America's and Europe's economic interest to invade Iraq. The implication
      is that the war will somehow allow us to grab the oil, and so it will be good
      for the economy and the common man. Of course, the idea that we will just grab
      the oil is simply preposterous. Whatever new regime is in charge of Iraq will
      sell the oil at normal world spot prices!

      A lot of good antiwar people have been deceived by this tactic, and are
      parroting the idea that it is big Oil that really behind this war. The Bush
      family ties to the oil industry are often cited in this scenario. And frankly,
      it is one thousand times easier in America to speak about conspiracies of the
      big bad Oil companies than to speak of the more open and more obvious Jewish
      conspiracies. Talk about big Oil conspiracies and some will call you wrong, but
      no one will accuse you of the great blasphemy of our age, the most evil of all
      heresies: so-called "anti-Semitism."

      But really, does big Oil or America have a strong economic motivation for this
      war? A few obvious facts coupled with plain, old-fashioned reason will show you
      that the war against Iraq holds no real advantage for big Oil, in fact it
      offers them much peril. As far as concerning American and European economic
      interests at large, the war in Iraq will have devastating consequences, to say
      nothing of causing anti-American political unrest and horrendous terrorism.
      Today, I will exam the economic consequences of the Iraqi war. The first
      question is "Do we have to go to war with Iraq to get its oil?" The answer
      is: "Of course we don't." We bought oil from Saddam Hussein before the Gulf
      War, and we can buy it now. If America, by this war, makes a regime change in
      Iraq, the American government is not simply going to pump the oil out of the
      ground and put the proceeds in our treasury. Those in political control in Iraq
      will still control the oil and still sell it to the world at the international
      prevailing spot oil prices.

      And let me make this very clear, Iraq has the second largest oil reserves in
      the world. Giving Iraqi oil easier access to the world's markets will, after
      the flurry of wartime higher oil prices, eventually depress the price of oil.
      What does this mean to the big American and European oil companies who have the
      great bulk of their oil investments in the United States (such as in Texas,
      Louisiana and Alaska), in the North Sea, in Russia and in South America?
      Opening up the Iraqi market (and Iraq will need to sell huge quantities of oil
      after the war devastation) will ultimately mean, bottom line, depressed prices
      for oil reserves that Big Oil actually owns! The war will not help their
      profits but in the long run only hurt them. That is why Russia, a nation with
      large oil reserves but less Jewish influence, rightly opposes the war, knowing
      it will ultimately hurt their own oil business.

      So, in the final analysis, Big Oil has no long-term interest in the overthrow
      of Saddam. And it must be admitted that Big Oil has no strong interest in
      normalizing relations with Iraq either. For if America normalizes relations
      with the current Iraqi regime, the oil will flow freely, just as it would if
      sanctions lifted after a so-called regime change. Either way, regime change or
      normalized relations would not necessarily be good for the Big Oil companies.
      However, more oil on the market and resulting lower prices would be incredibly
      good for the American and European economy. Energy costs are one of the biggest
      expenses of our economy and civilization. Lower energy costs translate into
      lower prices, more money for wages, schools, and the other needs of society. If
      30% of a company's expenses are energy related, and energy costs fall by a
      third, that company's revenues increase by 20 percent. That's more money for
      wages, and also somewhat lower prices that help everyone's standard of living.

      Imagine if we offered to end the war and sanctions against Saddam and normalize
      relations in exchange for special lower oil prices for the next decade.
      Obviously, Saddam would jump at that opportunity

      So, if Europe and America wants Iraqi oil and wants it at good prices, we can
      easily get it by ending sanctions against Iraq and returning to the quite cozy
      relationship we had before the Gulf War. And, if we demanded UN inspections and
      disarmament of BOTH Iraq and Israel for their weapons of mass destruction,
      suddenly the Israeli fifth column would quiet their demands against Iraq,
      because Israel is far more committed to their illegal weapons of mass
      destruction than is Iraq. Iraq has now ok'd inspections. I can't even imagine
      Israel ever doing that!

      On the other hand, a regime change would also certainly open up the oil
      pipelines, but after the change there would not be the motivation to negotiate
      as good an oil price as with the Saddam government. Iraq has a tremendous
      incentive to make a very good oil deal for us right now. Once the regime
      changes, the incentive is gone. Look at recent history. We certainly cannot and
      will not force a new regime to give us bargain prices for oil. As always, in
      normal times oil will be bought and sold on the international oil market. But
      now, of course, we a very special case, America has a lot of leverage to make a
      deal with Saddam Hussein: a deal he couldn't refuse!

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    • Gość: TO PRZECZYTAC..... KAZDY: AMERYKANIN, POLAK, ROSJANIN POWINIEN .. IP: 66.135.34.* 13.01.05, 22:02
      KAZDY: AMERYKANIN, POLAK, ROSJANIN POWINIEN I
      ROZPOWSZECHNIJ W CALOSCI LUB W STRESZCZENIU.
      TAKI LOS CZEKA KADY KRAJ.


      Introduction to "Who Rules America?"
      ===========================
      by Jackie Patru
      This is an excellent introduction which captures the frame of mind of many
      Americans when they first begin to learn . . . who is ruling America. This
      article is the best on the subject, and that is why we are carrying it.
      However, those who own the article only allow it to be reproduced in full.
      While we support the alerting white Americans to the attack on their
      heritage which has been the modus operandi of the Big Media since its
      inception
      • Gość: Borek Re: KAZDY: AMERYKANIN, POLAK, ROSJANIN POWINIE IP: *.h.pppool.de 13.01.05, 22:55
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    • Gość: che guevara Czyżbyś zaczął w końcu otwierać oczy na świat?? IP: *.ipartners.pl / *.ipartners.pl 14.01.05, 13:04
      tocqueville napisał:

      > zawsze bylem proamerykanski, wychowalem sie w swego rodzaju kulcie Reagana
      > przeciwstawiajacego sie sowieckiego imperium zła
      Proponowałbym byś także poczytał coś o swoim dawnym idolu. Dowiedz się kto
      finansował niejakiego Pol-Pota w latach 80-ych po obaleniu go przez Ludowy
      Wietnam, jeszcze raz przemyśl kto był tym dobrym, a kto złym w konflikcie ZSRR
      kontra protoplasty mułłów i talibów w Afganistanie, dowiedz się co to było
      Contras i jak Reagen wspierał tych terrorystów niszczących Nikaraguę.
      A może nawet zadasz sobie trud i policzysz ile po IIWŚ krwi przelali Amerykanie
      a ile ZSRR i kto był imperium większego zła.

      > a teraz jeszcze to:
      > www.lepszyswiat.home.pl/modules .php?name=News&file=article&sid =191
      > www.lepszyswiat.home.pl/modules .php?name=News&file=article&sid =113
      Ale tu się chyba zgrywasz, bo nawet ja podchodzę do takich rewelacji z rezerwą.
      Pamiętam jak jakiś rok temu z obrzydzeniem oglądałem na Polsacie paszkwil
      oskarżający rosyjski rząd o zamachy na własnych obywateli.
      Myślę że faszyści amerykańscy nie osiągnęli jeszcze aż takiego stopnia
      zwyrodnienia by w taki sposób mordować własnych obywateli i tego typu
      oskarżenia to jednak przesada.
      • Gość: staszek Re: Czyżbyś zaczął w końcu otwierać oczy na świat IP: 209.101.135.* 14.01.05, 13:06
        Myślę że faszyści amerykańscy nie osiągnęli jeszcze aż takiego stopnia
        > zwyrodnienia by w taki sposób mordować własnych obywateli i tego typu
        > oskarżenia to jednak przesada.= No przyznaje guevara ze odzyskales troszeczke
        mego szacunku tym stwierdzeniem, choc bujdy powyzej piszesz okropne
        • Gość: che guevara grunt to filtrowanie wiadomości, czasem zwykły IP: *.ipartners.pl / *.ipartners.pl 14.01.05, 13:25
          zdrowy rozsądek nakazuje obalić niektóre teorie. :-)
      • tocqueville Re: Czyżbyś zaczął w końcu otwierać oczy na świat 14.01.05, 16:00
        > jeszcze raz przemyśl kto był tym dobrym, a kto złym w konflikcie ZSRR
        > kontra protoplasty mułłów i talibów w Afganistanie,

        a co mnie to obchodzi

        > dowiedz się co to było
        > Contras i jak Reagen wspierał tych terrorystów niszczących Nikaraguę.

        nie wspieral tylko ich z powodzeniem zwalczal tych totalitarysów - sandinistów


        > A może nawet zadasz sobie trud i policzysz ile po IIWŚ krwi przelali Amerykanie

        komuniści z kilkadziesiąt milinowów, a ile USA?
        • Gość: staszek Jak czlowiek IP: 209.101.135.* 14.01.05, 16:05
          nareszcie znowu
    • marcus_crassus wziales kwasa????albo cos paliles??? 14.01.05, 14:40


      • tocqueville mialem wczoraj cieżki dzień ;) 14.01.05, 15:54
      • Gość: J.K. Crassus, moze bysmy jakis apel do Bimiego wyslali? IP: *.arcor-ip.net 14.01.05, 15:58
        zeby wrocil?

        tomson, def, watto - nawet gdyby im skrzydla podopinac,
        Bimiemu do kolan nie podfruna...

        eh... lezka sie w oku kreci...

        z Bimim - to byly czasy...
        • tocqueville Bimi 14.01.05, 16:04
          jest redaktorem strony www.lepszyswiat.home.pl
          moze tam go znajdziecie
    • tocqueville hehe 14.01.05, 15:51
      chyba nie myślicie ze sie dalem nabrac na te lewackie bzdury ;)

      Ameryko walcz i niszcz wrógów naszej cywilizacji
      • Gość: staszek Re: hehe IP: 209.101.135.* 14.01.05, 15:54
        No to juz spoko bo sie troszke zaczalem przejmowac ze to forum zle na ludzi
        wplywa
    • tocqueville wywalcie ten post 14.01.05, 16:08
      bo jeszcze o mnie ktos pomysli ze cos mi sie poprzestawialo ;)
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