Zgrzyty w Berlinie i Paryzu - Unia zbyt rozrzutna

25.03.05, 23:00
Sielanka siem konczy, czas zakasac renkawy wschodnia holoto :) Niemcy i
Francuzi maja dosc obibokow i wymowek .

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Europhile hearts sink as Berlin and Paris turn on Brussels
By Bertrand Benoit, Jan Cienski, George Parker and John Thornhill
Published: March 23 2005 02:00 | Last updated: March 23 2005 02:00

Europhiles in France and Germany, the European Union's largest countries,
face a worrying development: their governments appear to be becoming
eurosceptic.


That, at least, is the impression conveyed by politicians in Paris and Berlin
in their recent tussles with the European Commission in Brussels.

Jacques Chirac, the French president, has made little secret of his wariness
of the new Commission headed by José Manuel Barroso, the Portuguese former
prime minister. And the feeling is reciprocated. Mr Chirac has railed against
the EU's draft services directive, a text Gerhard Schröder, the German
chancellor, said was spreading "fear and terror" in his country.

The two also led a charge to water down the stability and growth pact so they
could ignore budget deficit ceilings and finance economy-boosting measures.
Both have called on the EU to rein in spending in its budget for the years
2007-2013.

So what could have turned the two nations that led European integration in
the 1950s into hotbeds of anti-Brussels agitation?

Neither country has experienced mounting grassroots hostility towards the EU.
While confidence in European institutions has ebbed since 1990, a recent
opinion poll shows that half the French and 47 per cent of Germans trust the
EU - far more than trust their own parties and governments.

This suggests Brussels-bashing is a top-down process - French and German
leaders are more intransigent with an evolving EU than their electorate.

Robert Badinter, one of France's leading constitutional scholars and a former
justice minister, says the French elite has belatedly recognised it has lost
control of its creation.

"The French saw a perspective that answered their historical desires to play
an important role, if not a dominant role, in the European Union. Now they no
longer recognise themselves in the project. It no longer exalts them."

While France has a twin tradition of euroscepticism - nationalist on the
right and social on the left - it is more recent in Germany.

Berlin politicians blame the economic crisis that followed unification. It
robbed the country of its status as the EU's economic role model and
restricted its fiscal leeway, making it harder for Germany to act as the EU's
financier of last resort, as it had under Helmut Kohl, Mr Schröder's
predecessor.

"Our positions are dictated by economics," says a senior government official.

The Franco-German couple's new bare-knuckle approach to EU affairs has caused
frustration beyond Brussels, particularly in Poland and other new east
European members of the Union who fear the EU's agenda is being warped to
benefit older members.

Poland was outraged by demands that EU spending be restricted to 1 per cent
of the region's gross national product, which it feels could cut development
aid to the new members.

Franco-German calls for a single European tax base for companies are seen as
an attempt to undercut the movement towards flat taxes in central Europe.
Warsaw also insists the services directive is key to allowing central Europe
to catch up with the rest of the EU.

On Monday Mr Barroso blamed French politicians for a slide in support for a
Yes to the EU constitution in recent opinion polls.

"It is up to them to explain to the French population what the referendum is
about," he said.

While Mr Chirac's centre-right UMP party is campaigning for a Yes at the
referendum in May, some of its leading figures - though not the president -
have been critical of a range of European policies, such as the decision to
open membership negotiations with Turkey. French opposition leaders have been
equally ambivalent about the constitution.

The EU constitution hardly fires such passions in Germany. The text is
scheduled for parliamentary approval on May 12, with both the ruling
coalition and the opposition supporting it.

Nonetheless, Mr Schröder pressed the eurosceptic button when he addressed
parliament last week, blaming EU enlargement for fuelling tax and wage
competition across the continent.

For Michael Roth, a Social Democratic member of the German parliament, "the
EU used to stand for social responsibility. But the Commission's neo-liberal
agenda now inspires fear among workers".

Such sentiment is not yet shared by most leaders in other European countries.
If, however, they see Mr Chirac and Mr Schröder ram through spending measures
that the EU blocked under the old stability pact, they too may turn on
Brussels.
    • polski_francuz Re: Zgrzyty w Berlinie i Paryzu - Unia zbyt rozrz 25.03.05, 23:05
      Europa tak sie zawsze rozwijala przez wiraze na lewo i prawo. Nie ma co sie
      poniecac za bardzo. Moze lepsza bylaby cmentarna cisza i defilady na placu
      Czerwonym?
    • czarnyalabaster Re: Zgrzyty w Berlinie i Paryzu - Unia zbyt rozrz 25.03.05, 23:09
      A Ty "rattler" z jakiej chołoty - z tej ze wschodu przeszczepionej na zachód.
      Jeśli tak to zamknij gębę bo nie Ty będziesz te rękawy zakasywał.
      • negevmc Zupełnie nieuzasadniony atak 25.03.05, 23:35
        czarnyalabaster napisał:

        > A Ty "rattler" z jakiej chołoty - z tej ze wschodu przeszczepionej na zachód.
        > Jeśli tak to zamknij gębę bo nie Ty będziesz te rękawy zakasywał.

        na rattlera. Nie znam go zupełnie ale z wilu jego postów wynika, że to bardzo
        solidny człowiek i że ciężka praca nie jest mu obca.
        Ameryka doszła do dzisiejszego poziomu w ciągu zaledwie 200 lat właśnie dzięki
        kultowi pracy.
      • kropekuk Mysle ze z KRESOWEJ - "holota" pisze BEZ bledow 25.03.05, 23:44
        ortograficznych, typowych dla srodkowopolskiego chama (ten ostatni nie slyszy
        roznicy pomiedzy "h" i "ch", a i zrodloslowu - z braku porzadnego
        wyksztalcenia - ten cham nie zna).
        • krystian71 Re: Mysle ze z KRESOWEJ - "holota" pisze BEZ bled 25.03.05, 23:59
          czesc kropko, co ty tak na nocnej zmianie ciagle robisz?Na antypody sie
          przeniosles?
          Wesolych Swiat
    • meerkat1 Unia na miare AMbicji i ASpiracji, i z GODNOSCIOM 26.03.05, 06:14
      OSOBISTOM!!!

      Zacznijmy oszczednosci od weliminowania.... google, google, google...:-)))

      [Oho, musi Czyrak wlasnie rznie indyczke na Wielkanoc!]
      • polski_francuz Re: Unia na miare AMbicji i ASpiracji, i z GODNO 27.03.05, 09:11
        nie indyczke, Bernadette.
    • manny_ramirez Re: Zgrzyty w Berlinie i Paryzu - Unia zbyt rozrz 31.03.05, 21:12
      rattler, najwieksi obibocy w UE to wlasnie Francuzi i Niemcy
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