Gore Vidal - junta Busha byla wmieszana w WTC

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Gore Vidal claims 'Bush junta' complicit in 9/11

America's most controversial novelist calls for an investigation into whether
the Bush administration deliberately allowed the terrorist attacks to happen

Talk: Gore Vidal on Bush

Observer Worldview

Terrorism crisis: Observer special

Sunder Katwala
Sunday October 27, 2002

America's most controversial writer Gore Vidal has launched the most scathing
attack to date on George W Bush's Presidency, calling for an investigation
into the events of 9/11 to discover whether the Bush administration
deliberately chose not to act on warnings of Al-Qaeda's plans.
Vidal's highly controversial 7000 word polemic titled 'The Enemy Within' -
published in the print edition of The Observer today - argues that what he
calls a 'Bush junta' used the terrorist attacks as a pretext to enact a pre-
existing agenda to invade Afghanistan and crack down on civil liberties at
home.

Vidal writes: 'We still don't know by whom we were struck that infamous
Tuesday, or for what true purpose. But it is fairly plain to many civil
libertarians that 9/11 put paid not only to much of our fragile Bill of
Rights but also to our once-envied system of government which had taken a
mortal blow the previous year when the Supreme Court did a little dance in
5/4 time and replaced a popularly elected President with the oil and gas Bush-
Cheney junta.'

Vidal argues that the real motive for the Afghanistan war was to control the
gateway to Eurasia and Central Asia's energy riches. He quotes extensively
from a 1997 analysis of the region by Zgibniew Brzezinski, formerly national
security adviser to President Carter, in support of this theory. But, Vidal
argues, US administrations, both Democrat and Republican, were aware that the
American public would resist any war in Afghanistan without a truly massive
and widely perceived external threat.

'Osama was chosen on aesthetic grounds to be the frightening logo for our
long-contemplated invasion and conquest of Afghanistan ... [because] the
administration is convinced that Americans are so simple-minded that they can
deal with no scenario more complex than the venerable, lone, crazed killer
(this time with zombie helpers) who does evil just for the fun of it 'cause
he hates us because we're rich 'n free 'n he's not.' Vidal also attacks the
American media's failure to discuss 11 September and its
consequences: 'Apparently, "conspiracy stuff" is now shorthand for
unspeakable truth.'

'It is an article of faith that there are no conspiracies in American life.
Yet, a year or so ago, who would have thought that most of corporate America
had been conspiring with accountants to cook their books since - well, at
least the bright dawn of the era of Reagan and deregulation.'

At the heart of the essay are questions about the events of 9/11 itself and
the two hours after the planes were hijacked. Vidal writes that 'astonished
military experts cannot fathom why the government's "automatic standard order
of procedure in the event of a hijacking" was not followed'.

These procedures, says Vidal, determine that fighter planes should
automatically be sent aloft as soon as a plane has deviated from its flight
plan. Presidential authority is not required until a plane is to be shot
down. But, on 11 September, no decision to start launching planes was taken
until 9.40am, eighty minutes after air controllers first knew that Flight 11
had been hijacked and fifty minutes after the first plane had struck the
North Tower.

'By law, the fighters should have been up at around 8.15. If they had, all
the hijacked planes might have been diverted and shot down.'

Vidal asks why Bush, as Commander-in-Chief, stayed in a Florida classroom as
news of the attacks broke: 'The behaviour of President Bush on 11 September
certainly gives rise to not unnatural suspicions.' He also attacks
the 'nonchalance' of General Richard B Myers, acting Joint Chief of Staff, in
failing to respond until the planes had crashed into the twin towers.

Asking whether these failures to act expeditiously were down to conspiracy,
coincidence or error, Vidal notes that incompetence would usually lead to
reprimands for those responsible, writing that 'It is interesting how often
in our history, when disaster strikes, incompetence is considered a better
alibi than .... Well, yes, there are worse things.'

Vidal draws comparisons with another 'day of infamy' in American history,
writing that 'The truth about Pearl Harbour is obscured to this day. But it
has been much studied. 11 September, it is plain, is never going to be
investigated if Bush has anything to say about it.' He quotes CNN reports
that Bush personally asked Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle to limit
Congressional investigation of the day itself, ostensibly on grounds of not
diverting resources from the anti-terror campaign.

Vidal calls bin Laden an 'Islamic zealot' and 'evil doer' but argues
that 'war' cannot be waged on the abstraction of 'terrorism'. He says
that 'Every nation knows how - if it has the means and will - to protect
itself from thugs of the sort that brought us 9/11 ... You put a price on
their heads and hunt them down. In recent years, Italy has been doing that
with the Sicilian Mafia; and no-one has suggested bombing Palermo.'

Vidal also highlights the role of American and Pakistani intelligence in
creating the fundamentalist terrorist threat: 'Apparently, Pakistan did do
it - or some of it' but with American support. "From 1979, the largest covert
operation in the history of the CIA was launched in response to the Soviet
invasion of Afghanistan ... the CIA covertly trained and sponsored these
warriors.'

Vidal also quotes the highly respected defence journal Jane's Defence Weekly
on how this support for Islamic fundamentalism continued after the emergence
of bin Laden: 'In 1988, with US knowledge, bin Laden created Al-Qaeda (The
Base); a conglomerate of quasi-independent Islamic terrorist cells spread
across 26 or so countries. Washington turned a blind eye to Al-Qaeda.'

Vidal, 77, and internationally renowned for his award-winning novels and
plays, has long been a ferocious, and often isolated, critic of the Bush
administration at home and abroad. He now lives in Italy. In Vidal's most
recent book, The Last Empire, he argued that 'Americans have no idea of the
extent of their government's mischief ... the number of military strikes we
have made unprovoked, against other countries, since 1947 is more than 250.'


    • Gość: - Re: Gore Vidal - junta Busha byla wmieszana w WTC IP: 168.103.126.* 28.10.02, 20:27
      najbardziej podejrzana jest tajemnica jaka okrywa katastrofe WTC. Dlaczego Bush
      nie odsloni detali i wyjasni wszystko. Jak dotad slyszymy w radio piosenki o
      tych 4000 ktorzy nie przyszli do pracy 9/11, o tranzakcjach na gieldzie, o
      braku alarmu przez pol godziny .... dlaczego to nie jest zbadane przez
      niezalezna komisje ktorej narod i swiat moglby uwierzyc. Jezeli Bush tego nie
      zrobi to swiat bedzie wierzyl watpliwosciom. Gore jest odwazny, Brawo.
      • Gość: Peace Re:glosuj przeciw wojnie: www.VoteNoWar.org IP: 168.103.126.* 29.10.02, 15:36
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      • Gość: Tomasz Re: Gore Vidal - junta Busha byla wmieszana w WTC IP: *.ibch.poznan.pl 29.10.02, 15:55
        Gość portalu: - napisał(a):

        > najbardziej podejrzana jest tajemnica jaka okrywa katastrofe WTC. Dlaczego Bush
        >
        > nie odsloni detali i wyjasni wszystko. Jak dotad slyszymy w radio piosenki o
        > tych 4000 ktorzy nie przyszli do pracy 9/11, o tranzakcjach na gieldzie, o
        > braku alarmu przez pol godziny .... dlaczego to nie jest zbadane przez
        > niezalezna komisje ktorej narod i swiat moglby uwierzyc. Jezeli Bush tego nie
        > zrobi to swiat bedzie wierzyl watpliwosciom. Gore jest odwazny, Brawo.

        A co wiemy na temat smierci Kennediego? Czy cos wyjasniono, chocby
        ilosc strzalów jakie oddano. Czy mozna utrzymywac ze strzaly oddano
        z jednego kierunku, skoro strzelano takze z przodu i z boku.
        Ameryka ma swoje tajemnice, a prawda moze byc taka ze najwieksza i
        najbardziej doskonala demokracja swiata rzadzona jest przez ludzi o
        mentalnosci mafiozow, a wolne media miast informowac jedynie oglupiaja
        ludzi.
        • bimi Re: Gore Vidal - junta Busha byla wmieszana w WTC 29.10.02, 16:28
          Gość portalu: Tomasz napisał(a):

          > A co wiemy na temat smierci Kennediego? Czy cos wyjasniono, chocby
          > ilosc strzalów jakie oddano. Czy mozna utrzymywac ze strzaly oddano
          > z jednego kierunku, skoro strzelano takze z przodu i z boku.
          > Ameryka ma swoje tajemnice, a prawda moze byc taka ze najwieksza i
          > najbardziej doskonala demokracja swiata rzadzona jest przez ludzi o
          > mentalnosci mafiozow, a wolne media miast informowac jedynie oglupiaja
          > ludzi.

          Jakie wolne media? To, co należą do tych ludzi o mentalności mafiozów?
    • bimi A to niespodzianka... :) /nt 29.10.02, 15:59
    • jew.grouper Gore Vidal?? Nigdy o nim nie slyszalem! 29.10.02, 16:32
      Gość portalu: czytelnik napisał(a):

      > <a
      href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/0,6961,,00.html"target="_blank">www.guardian
      > .co.uk/0,6961,,00.html</a>
      >
      > Gore Vidal claims 'Bush junta' complicit in 9/11
      >
      > America's most controversial novelist



      Chciales chyba powiedziec most unknown a nie most controversial.
      Kogo nastepnego bedziemy cytowac? Sasiadow?



      calls for an investigation into whether
      > the Bush administration deliberately allowed the terrorist attacks to happen
      >
      > Talk: Gore Vidal on Bush
      >
      > Observer Worldview
      >
      > Terrorism crisis: Observer special
      >
      > Sunder Katwala
      > Sunday October 27, 2002
      >
      > America's most controversial writer Gore Vidal has launched the most scathing
      > attack to date on George W Bush's Presidency, calling for an investigation
      > into the events of 9/11 to discover whether the Bush administration
      > deliberately chose not to act on warnings of Al-Qaeda's plans.
      > Vidal's highly controversial 7000 word polemic titled 'The Enemy Within' -
      > published in the print edition of The Observer today - argues that what he
      > calls a 'Bush junta' used the terrorist attacks as a pretext to enact a pre-
      > existing agenda to invade Afghanistan and crack down on civil liberties at
      > home.
      >
      > Vidal writes: 'We still don't know by whom we were struck that infamous
      > Tuesday, or for what true purpose. But it is fairly plain to many civil
      > libertarians that 9/11 put paid not only to much of our fragile Bill of
      > Rights but also to our once-envied system of government which had taken a
      > mortal blow the previous year when the Supreme Court did a little dance in
      > 5/4 time and replaced a popularly elected President with the oil and gas Bush-
      > Cheney junta.'
      >
      > Vidal argues that the real motive for the Afghanistan war was to control the
      > gateway to Eurasia and Central Asia's energy riches. He quotes extensively
      > from a 1997 analysis of the region by Zgibniew Brzezinski, formerly national
      > security adviser to President Carter, in support of this theory. But, Vidal
      > argues, US administrations, both Democrat and Republican, were aware that the
      > American public would resist any war in Afghanistan without a truly massive
      > and widely perceived external threat.
      >
      > 'Osama was chosen on aesthetic grounds to be the frightening logo for our
      > long-contemplated invasion and conquest of Afghanistan ... [because] the
      > administration is convinced that Americans are so simple-minded that they can
      > deal with no scenario more complex than the venerable, lone, crazed killer
      > (this time with zombie helpers) who does evil just for the fun of it 'cause
      > he hates us because we're rich 'n free 'n he's not.' Vidal also attacks the
      > American media's failure to discuss 11 September and its
      > consequences: 'Apparently, "conspiracy stuff" is now shorthand for
      > unspeakable truth.'
      >
      > 'It is an article of faith that there are no conspiracies in American life.
      > Yet, a year or so ago, who would have thought that most of corporate America
      > had been conspiring with accountants to cook their books since - well, at
      > least the bright dawn of the era of Reagan and deregulation.'
      >
      > At the heart of the essay are questions about the events of 9/11 itself and
      > the two hours after the planes were hijacked. Vidal writes that 'astonished
      > military experts cannot fathom why the government's "automatic standard order
      > of procedure in the event of a hijacking" was not followed'.
      >
      > These procedures, says Vidal, determine that fighter planes should
      > automatically be sent aloft as soon as a plane has deviated from its flight
      > plan. Presidential authority is not required until a plane is to be shot
      > down. But, on 11 September, no decision to start launching planes was taken
      > until 9.40am, eighty minutes after air controllers first knew that Flight 11
      > had been hijacked and fifty minutes after the first plane had struck the
      > North Tower.
      >
      > 'By law, the fighters should have been up at around 8.15. If they had, all
      > the hijacked planes might have been diverted and shot down.'
      >
      > Vidal asks why Bush, as Commander-in-Chief, stayed in a Florida classroom as
      > news of the attacks broke: 'The behaviour of President Bush on 11 September
      > certainly gives rise to not unnatural suspicions.' He also attacks
      > the 'nonchalance' of General Richard B Myers, acting Joint Chief of Staff, in
      > failing to respond until the planes had crashed into the twin towers.
      >
      > Asking whether these failures to act expeditiously were down to conspiracy,
      > coincidence or error, Vidal notes that incompetence would usually lead to
      > reprimands for those responsible, writing that 'It is interesting how often
      > in our history, when disaster strikes, incompetence is considered a better
      > alibi than .... Well, yes, there are worse things.'
      >
      > Vidal draws comparisons with another 'day of infamy' in American history,
      > writing that 'The truth about Pearl Harbour is obscured to this day. But it
      > has been much studied. 11 September, it is plain, is never going to be
      > investigated if Bush has anything to say about it.' He quotes CNN reports
      > that Bush personally asked Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle to limit
      > Congressional investigation of the day itself, ostensibly on grounds of not
      > diverting resources from the anti-terror campaign.
      >
      > Vidal calls bin Laden an 'Islamic zealot' and 'evil doer' but argues
      > that 'war' cannot be waged on the abstraction of 'terrorism'. He says
      > that 'Every nation knows how - if it has the means and will - to protect
      > itself from thugs of the sort that brought us 9/11 ... You put a price on
      > their heads and hunt them down. In recent years, Italy has been doing that
      > with the Sicilian Mafia; and no-one has suggested bombing Palermo.'
      >
      > Vidal also highlights the role of American and Pakistani intelligence in
      > creating the fundamentalist terrorist threat: 'Apparently, Pakistan did do
      > it - or some of it' but with American support. "From 1979, the largest covert
      > operation in the history of the CIA was launched in response to the Soviet
      > invasion of Afghanistan ... the CIA covertly trained and sponsored these
      > warriors.'
      >
      > Vidal also quotes the highly respected defence journal Jane's Defence Weekly
      > on how this support for Islamic fundamentalism continued after the emergence
      > of bin Laden: 'In 1988, with US knowledge, bin Laden created Al-Qaeda (The
      > Base); a conglomerate of quasi-independent Islamic terrorist cells spread
      > across 26 or so countries. Washington turned a blind eye to Al-Qaeda.'
      >
      > Vidal, 77, and internationally renowned for his award-winning novels and
      > plays, has long been a ferocious, and often isolated, critic of the Bush
      > administration at home and abroad. He now lives in Italy. In Vidal's most
      > recent book, The Last Empire, he argued that 'Americans have no idea of the
      > extent of their government's mischief ... the number of military strikes we
      > have made unprovoked, against other countries, since 1947 is more than 250.'
      >
      >
      • kochanka Re: Gore Vidal?? Nigdy o nim nie slyszalem! 29.10.02, 16:39
        A czy ktos kiedys slyszal otym oczym pisze ten klamca:

        Wypociny Pan Daniela:

        Kłamstwo# 1
        wszystkie wiadomosci sa z NYTimesa i potwierdzone doswiadczeniem.
        Porownywanie z Nazizmem nie ma sensu, pamietajmy ze zolnierze polscy po II
        wojnie swiatowej emigrowali do USA, niektorzy umieszczani byli na farmach w
        Texasie, ci co chcieli uciec z farm byli strzelani.


        www.gazeta.pl/alfa/home.jsp?dzial=0511&forum=SWIAT&wid=690923&aid=715778




        Kłamstwo# 2

        Rodzice w szkolach prywatnych musza placic kazdego centa za swoje dziecko, ale
        w zydowskich yeshiwa dzieci sa dowozone na koszt stanu do szkoly.

        Kłamstwo # 3
        Ksiadz nie moze byc sedzia, Rabin - o.k.,

        Kłamstwo#4
        Choinki i kazde wyobrazenia Bozego Narodzenia sa zabronione w urzedach
        panstwowych, ale jest Menora swieci sie wszedzie.

        Kłamstwo# 5
        kara smierci, ilosc wiezniow w USA jest wieksza niz w komunistycznej Rosji.

        Kłamstwo # 6
        Obozy koncentracyjne na Florydzie dla emigrantow z Haiti, Brighton Beach dla
        emigrantow z Rosji ze stypendiami dla dzieci, opieka spoleczna i socjalna itd.

        Powyższe cytaty pochodzą tylko z jednego postu:


        www.gazeta.pl/alfa/home.jsp?dzial=0511&forum=SWIAT&wid=690923&aid=712124



        7. Oskarzenie o pedofilie - napewno wielokrotnie mniej zdarza sie wsrod ksiezy
        niz w szkolach publicznych, albo innych prywatnych,

        Powiedz nam Daniel gdzie zdobyles takie informacje????


        www.gazeta.pl/alfa/home.jsp?zial=0511&forum=SWIAT&wid=1774366&aid=1775643
        • Gość: Rege Gore Vidal poprzednio Abu Nidal IP: *.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net 29.10.02, 17:03
          Przejal tylko imie Gore.
          • Gość: - Re: Gore Vidal- wielki pisarz amerykanski IP: 168.103.126.* 29.10.02, 20:23
            pochodzenia zydowskiego
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